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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:48 am Post subject: SIRIUS and XM Merger [COMPLETE] |
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| February 19, 2007 -- Satellite radio operators Sirius and XM are expected to announce their long-awaited merger today, according to a source familiar with the deal. |
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| The transaction is expected to be structured as a merger of equals, but given SIRIUS' higher enterprise value, shareholders in the Mel Karmazin-led firm will likely come away with a larger percentage of a combined company. According to the source, XM Chairman Gary Parsons will retain that title in the combined entity, with Karmazin likely taking the CEO role. It is unclear what role, if any, XM CEO Hugh Panero will play. |
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Combining Sirius and XM would result in a single satellite radio operator with more than 12 million total subscribers. A deal would also marry Sirius content, such as Howard Stern, Frank Sinatra and Nascar with XM's Oprah Winfrey, Bob Dylan and Major League Baseball.
More important, analysts widely predict that a deal would also save the two companies nearly $7 billion annually. |
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02192007/business/heavenly_deal_business_peter_lauria.htm
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| Yeah, I'm wondering why the SEC would allow this? Instant monopoly, since they're the only two players in the satellite radio space. |
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| i thought this was blocked? |
Martin originally said that the merger would not be allowed under current FCC regulations, then Martin said the rules can be changed to allow the merger to go through...
What I don't get is why they had to announce this now? It's a national holiday and the market is closed... It would make much more sense to announce it tommorow that way the stocks soar after the announcement.
Regardless, if this announcement does take place, I'm glad to see that SIRIUS will be "running the show" instead of XM... Mel is a better CEO than that schmuck Hugh Panero.
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| Yeah, I'm wondering why the SEC would allow this? Instant monopoly, since they're the only two players in the satellite radio space. |
I doubt that they authorized it. I'm guessing the FCC is willing to change the rules and that's where everything stands now... I think a merger won't officially happen for at least 6 months.
I just hope it doesn't end up like the failed "DirecTV / EchoStar (Dish Network)" merger back in 2001. |
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Very interesting...
Its becoming cable TV like i predicted years ago, you'll see a few more players coming in into this. |
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: XM and Sirius to merge!!! |
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I am pretty happy. I love Sirius but XM has the cooler players. Best of both worlds
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17228226/ |
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opie and howard stern under 1 house wow
i like xm's dance music better but i love howard now i can get them both :O |
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XM has the cooler gear but I like Sirius' programming a lot more. O&A never did it for me  |
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| a monopoly on the satellite radio market? |
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Regardless, if this announcement does take place, I'm glad to see that SIRIUS will be "running the show" instead of XM... Mel is a better CEO than that schmuck Hugh Panero. |
I've no love for Panero, but Mel is an asshole. It's only recently that he's attempted to show he's not under Howard's thumb, and it coincides with his recent affirmative merger statements. Needless to say (needless to say), this could have horrendous repercussions for certain XM programming, as he might just restore the old Infinity status quo.
More light may be shed tomorrow... |
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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There will be a conference call tommorow regarding the merger at 8:30 am (Eastern Time)
SIRIUS Subscribers tune to channel 122
XM Subscribers tune to channel 200 |
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XM has the cooler gear but I like Sirius' programming a lot more. O&A never did it for me  |
Next you'll be saying you don't like Dr Pepper....  |
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| If you don't have SIRIUS or XM, you can monitor the conference call by dialing 800-573-4840 or 617-224-4326 [Passcode: 29490052]. |
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| I really do wonder if the FCC will let this through... |
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| I really do wonder if the FCC will let this through... |
They could sell one of the two SDARS licenses.
That way it would leave one SDARS license open while SIRIUS controls the other.
I'm sure we'll find out soon... Only 5 hours away from the conference call. |
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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SIRIUS-XM Merger Conference Call Notes
- Operator has introduced Mel to the conference but there was silence... Operator has told us to stand by... Hold music is back on.
- Mel is finally on...
- Mel: "We believe that this is the next logical step in the evolution of Satellite Radio... Will create long term value for the shareholders of both companies"
- Management will consist of both companies, Total cost savings of $3 to 7 billion
- Mel: "The combined company expects to offer more diverse programming"
- Mel: "We expect to offer the best content from both companies"
- Mel: "Our radios will be smaller, lighter, simpler and cooler than what each company has today"
- Estimated $1.5 billion growth in revenue this year
- Mel: (regarding the pending regulatory approval) "We believe there is a solid basis for approval." Goes on to mention that the company has done extensive research on this prior to the announced merger and is confident that the merger will go through as planned.
- The two companies will come up with a name for the merged company and the new headquarters before the merger goes to vote amongst shareholders.
- Gary: "Sirius and XM will combine in a tax-free "merger of equals"
- Gary: "The board will consist of 12 members (including Mel and myself)... 4 independent contractors... 1 representative each from GM and Honda.."
- Hugh will remain CEO of XM until the merger closes.
- Plans to offers an "a-la-carte" style programming choice for subscribers
- Mentions competition from "HD Radio", "iPods", "Internet Radio" and other medias and how the company (once merged) can effectively compete
- Gary: "Shareholders will vote on the merger is the next step... This is expected to be completed within 4-6 months"
- Gary: "We expect to receive regulatory approvals within 9 months"
- Gary: "We expect to close the transaction by the end of 2007"
- SLIDE 20: Lists exclusive content offered under the new company (Howard Stern, Oprah & Friends, Martha Stewart, Bob Dylan)... O&A are not mentioned anywhere on the slide.
- Questions are being taken by those who dialed into the teleconference
- Q: Have either of you done consumer research on how much of your disconnect numbers that cite either companies programming or lack of satisfaction of programming that drives the disconnecting? Both companies have a continuing process of testing the consumer waters... In the end its about value programming... That's one of the benefits of the merger for the consumer. The thought of them having 2 radios is not as attractive to them... The vast majority of subscribers we're looking to gain is from the 90% of individuals that aren't subscribed to Satellite Radio.
- Q: Is there any impact imposed from the RIAA or NEB towards the planned merger? A: We will go through a process and file our comments individually with the RIAA and the NEB as seperate companies during the merger.
- Question was about how they plan on offering full content to it's subscribers... A: Each company has millions of exisiting radios that are in cars... We have joint engineering teams that are working on receivers that will be capable of accessing the full range of content from both systems... Current units will continue to work.
- Q: How will the marketing go during the interim period? A: Both companies will continue to operate as we do today.. Look for no changes on that front until the transaction is closed. Our plan will be to visit with regulatory committees next week.
- Q: Will you span both content under one satellite fleet? A: That's much further out... You do have the ability to access both companies content at the chipset level with further research.
- Q: Does the merger's interoperability conflict with current OEM contracts? Both companies believe in honoring agreements... We believe car manufactures and OEM manufacturers will see the benefits of dual-programming.
- XM completed the launch of XM 4 Last December... SIRIUS 5 will launch in 2008... The merger will not effect the launch of SIRIUS 5.
- Question about pricing under the new company and the DOJ... A: The one thing we do know... Raising our prices diminished our conversion rate 2 years ago (when XM raised the price)... SIRIUS did not raise it's price when XM raised theirs in 2002... We need to reach out to that 90% (that have not subscribed)... Over 90% of the people are getting their radio OTA and for free... We're confident that the DOJ will see that when they look at our competitors.
- We don't to do anything today at SIRIUS that will slow the adoption of more people coming to satellite radio... The reason that we have not raised our price is because of that overwhelming market out there of people that are not paying for radio.
- Question about the shutting down one of the two exisiting Satellite Radio spectrums... A: It's not practical to look at turning off one system or one system of satellites.. It's not feasible due to the current installed base. We have to continue to have a backwards compatibility for current subscriber base. It's not realistic to look at elimination of a platform.
- Within 25 days, we will file an application with the FCC... and that will start the clock going at the FCC.
- Final question... How soon do you think you can get the interoperative market going for subscribers to switch over? As you know, we've been researching interoperability for quite a while... It will be brought out as fast as possible when we receive regulatory approval.
- Conference closes.
Of course I didn't note take every question that was asked (a lot of it was stockholder related questions)... But I mentioned all the good parts of the conference... I had the opportunity to ask a question to Mel and Gary, but unfortunately it did not go through
Hope these notes answer some of your questions about the merger... |
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| Are you part of some kind of Sirius committee? What got you into Sirius? |
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you part of some kind of Sirius committee? What got you into Sirius? |
I'm a shareholder. |
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I just bought a radio and subscribed to XM about a month ago.  |
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The Stiletto
- Stores up to 100 hours of programming
- Ability to listen to SIRIUS Internet Radio on a Wi-Fi hotspot or on your home network
- OTR (One Touch Recording)
- 30 Channel Presets
- Also doubles as a MP3/WMA player
- 2.2" Color Display
- Pause/Rewind/Replay up to 44 minutes of live radio
- Audible Channel Names
- Lets you know when your favorite games are being broadcast and alerts you when the scores change
- Ability to bookmark songs and buy them from the Yahoo Music Download Service
- Come with 2 battery packs (Slim and Standard)
There's other features as well... It's a really nice player.
You can grab one from TSS-Radio for $284.99
They also make a 10 hour version for $219.99
http://www.tss-radio.com/sirius-radios-c-23_291.html
If you're strapped for cash... There's the S50 with the Car Kit being sold at SIRIUS for $79.99 (after $100 rebate)
Somewhat the same except it's 50 hours, no Wi-Fi capability and the battery is fixed (USB rechargable).
Here's their Portable line-up (including the S50)
http://shop.sirius.com/edealinv/servlet/ExecMacro?nurl=control/StoreDirectory.vm&ctl_nbr=2640&catLevel=1&catParentID=7874&scId=7874&oldParentID=7870
I have the Starmate 4 (while it's not portable in the sense you can't listen to it like a Zune or an iPod), it suits my needs perfectly from the Car to the House
You can get one from TSS-Radio for $89.99 (after $20 rebate)
http://www.tss-radio.com/sirius-starmate-st4tk1-p-3903.html |
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I just bought a radio and subscribed to XM about a month ago.  |
Same, I have had mine for a little over a month, except I had it built in to my Honda Accord, just never activated it. |
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| What is a good portable SIRIUS player? |
The Stiletto
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Does it get decent signal inside? I don't sit near a window
I really want something for work and my car.
Also, I want a Slingbox  |
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Wolfeman wrote: |
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| Wolfeman wrote: |
| What is a good portable SIRIUS player? |
The Stiletto
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Does it get decent signal inside? I don't sit near a window
I really want something for work and my car.
Also, I want a Slingbox  |
There's a Terrestrial Repeater near Newport Beach... You should have no issues... Remember, there is also Wi-Fi built in... So if you're not getting a solid signal, you can use the Wi-Fi... But you should be good to go
Here's a map for you that shows the location of the TERR repeater and the coverage footprint.
http://www.dogstarradio.com/sirius_map.php?longitude=-117.97393798828125&latitude=33.60546961227188&zoom=11 |
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ok, so since XM and Sirus are merging...where can i find the new radios and service prices?
and can you have BOTH XM and Sirus on ONE player?
$12.99 monthly? |
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In case you're still reading...None yet. There's been a FCC-required dual chipset radio in the works for some time, but both networks really didn't want it to come to fruition. That's changed now, but I don't think we'll see them for a couple of years.
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| Wolfeman wrote: |
| h3x wrote: |
| Wolfeman wrote: |
| What is a good portable SIRIUS player? |
The Stiletto
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Does it get decent signal inside? I don't sit near a window
I really want something for work and my car.
Also, I want a Slingbox  |
There's a Terrestrial Repeater near Newport Beach... You should have no issues... Remember, there is also Wi-Fi built in... So if you're not getting a solid signal, you can use the Wi-Fi... But you should be good to go
Here's a map for you that shows the location of the TERR repeater and the coverage footprint.
http://www.dogstarradio.com/sirius_map.php?longitude=-117.97393798828125&latitude=33.60546961227188&zoom=11 |
I have to give it to Sirius on the Stiletto, it's certainly better than the S50, but XM is still ahead.
Some of the side by side comparisons between Sirius and XM players clearly show that Sirius is still behind, even with the Stiletto. If you can call the Stiletto the 1st Gen true handheld receiver, the XM 2nd Gen Inno and Helix still beat it.
Inno:
However, whistles and bells aside, it's the reception and repeater coverage that is key, and Wi-Fi compatibility is useless when most access is encrypted on the road. So, while I like a lot of the Sirius content, some even better than XM, if I was just looking at sat radio in general for music, I'd still go XM due to the hardware. At least for now.
Still, if you're dead set on Sirius, I'm with h3x on the Stiletto.
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SIRIUS-XM Merger Conference Call Notes
- Operator has introduced Mel to the conference but there was silence... Operator has told us to stand by... Hold music is back on.
- Mel is finally on...
- Mel: "We believe that this is the next logical step in the evolution of Satellite Radio... Will create long term value for the shareholders of both companies"
- Management will consist of both companies, Total cost savings of $3 to 7 billion
- Mel: "The combined company expects to offer more diverse programming"
- Mel: "We expect to offer the best content from both companies"
- Mel: "Our radios will be smaller, lighter, simpler and cooler than what each company has today"
- Estimated $1.5 billion growth in revenue this year
- Mel: (regarding the pending regulatory approval) "We believe there is a solid basis for approval." Goes on to mention that the company has done extensive research on this prior to the announced merger and is confident that the merger will go through as planned.
- The two companies will come up with a name for the merged company and the new headquarters before the merger goes to vote amongst shareholders.
- Gary: "Sirius and XM will combine in a tax-free "merger of equals"
- Gary: "The board will consist of 12 members (including Mel and myself)... 4 independent contractors... 1 representative each from GM and Honda.."
- Hugh will remain CEO of XM until the merger closes.
- Plans to offers an "a-la-carte" style programming choice for subscribers
- Mentions competition from "HD Radio", "iPods", "Internet Radio" and other medias and how the company (once merged) can effectively compete
- Gary: "Shareholders will vote on the merger is the next step... This is expected to be completed within 4-6 months"
- Gary: "We expect to receive regulatory approvals within 9 months"
- Gary: "We expect to close the transaction by the end of 2007"
- SLIDE 20: Lists exclusive content offered under the new company (Howard Stern, Oprah & Friends, Martha Stewart, Bob Dylan)... O&A are not mentioned anywhere on the slide.
- Questions are being taken by those who dialed into the teleconference
- Q: Have either of you done consumer research on how much of your disconnect numbers that cite either companies programming or lack of satisfaction of programming that drives the disconnecting? Both companies have a continuing process of testing the consumer waters... In the end its about value programming... That's one of the benefits of the merger for the consumer. The thought of them having 2 radios is not as attractive to them... The vast majority of subscribers we're looking to gain is from the 90% of individuals that aren't subscribed to Satellite Radio.
- Q: Is there any impact imposed from the RIAA or NEB towards the planned merger? A: We will go through a process and file our comments individually with the RIAA and the NEB as seperate companies during the merger.
- Question was about how they plan on offering full content to it's subscribers... A: Each company has millions of exisiting radios that are in cars... We have joint engineering teams that are working on receivers that will be capable of accessing the full range of content from both systems... Current units will continue to work.
- Q: How will the marketing go during the interim period? A: Both companies will continue to operate as we do today.. Look for no changes on that front until the transaction is closed. Our plan will be to visit with regulatory committees next week.
- Q: Will you span both content under one satellite fleet? A: That's much further out... You do have the ability to access both companies content at the chipset level with further research.
- Q: Does the merger's interoperability conflict with current OEM contracts? Both companies believe in honoring agreements... We believe car manufactures and OEM manufacturers will see the benefits of dual-programming.
- XM completed the launch of XM 4 Last December... SIRIUS 5 will launch in 2008... The merger will not effect the launch of SIRIUS 5.
- Question about pricing under the new company and the DOJ... A: The one thing we do know... Raising our prices diminished our conversion rate 2 years ago (when XM raised the price)... SIRIUS did not raise it's price when XM raised theirs in 2002... We need to reach out to that 90% (that have not subscribed)... Over 90% of the people are getting their radio OTA and for free... We're confident that the DOJ will see that when they look at our competitors.
- We don't to do anything today at SIRIUS that will slow the adoption of more people coming to satellite radio... The reason that we have not raised our price is because of that overwhelming market out there of people that are not paying for radio.
- Question about the shutting down one of the two exisiting Satellite Radio spectrums... A: It's not practical to look at turning off one system or one system of satellites.. It's not feasible due to the current installed base. We have to continue to have a backwards compatibility for current subscriber base. It's not realistic to look at elimination of a platform.
- Within 25 days, we will file an application with the FCC... and that will start the clock going at the FCC.
- Final question... How soon do you think you can get the interoperative market going for subscribers to switch over? As you know, we've been researching interoperability for quite a while... It will be brought out as fast as possible when we receive regulatory approval.
- Conference closes. |
Your mentioning that speaks volumes. Is that Howie I smell on your breath?
You apparently missed Gary stating that (and I paraphrase only slightly) that the new company will allow subscribers to hear "Howard and Opie & Anthony, Martha and Oprah and Football & Baseball" together.
I wouldn't have expected Mel to say that, since he hates them, but Gary clearly mentioned them as one of the biggest programs/channels of both networks. (IIRC, they are actually the most listened to XM channel, so it would be weird not to)
You also didn't mention Mr "Karmazy" ( ) making a statement along the lines of subscribers having to pay $26 a month for content as of now (I believe in response to some question about pricing), as if we all have one of each radio. (the gall!)
That certainly sent a chill down my spine as for future subscription increases, and reminded me that as expensive sat radio is to some, it's as low as it is due to competition.
Merger = No competition = Price Increase = h3x makes some dough.
If everything goes down as mentioned above, and elsewhere in the conference, it looks like I'll be going ala carte.  |
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