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KeithA
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 Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:23 am Post subject:  REMINDER: 2 users w/ TR less than 4 will not receive credit! |
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I've noticed many of our newer users (those with TR < 4) trading with other new users who also have a TR < 4.
Trades between users who both have less than 4 TR will not receive TR credit.
This is to encourage new users to trade with established users, who are far less likely to scam.
As a new user, you might be apprehensive about trading with an established user. You might not want to make mistakes, or you might fear being taken advantage of. But the fact is that established users are often more reliable and better able to help you through the process than new users.
If you're new to FiPG, please be sure to review everything in this thread:
http://forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=50266
If you still have questions, try searching the Help section:
http://forum.freeipodguide.com/search.php |
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they wont receive credit but they can trade with them. there are quite a few trustworthy "newbies" ( to this site) that i have traded with and helped me out.
thanks for the reminder  |
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Freddy Fred
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I agree with FindMe. I have a trade record of 3, but have done numerous trades through here. Especially with newbies who generally are able to do more sites than established users.
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dmorris68
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:31 am Post subject: |
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The 4TR guideline was put in place to help protect new and more vulnerable members. It is NOT an attempt to "guarantee" that more established members "get first crack" at trades.
We've all been doing this a long time and have seen firsthand what happens to newbies, hence the rule. But trade with whomever you want, at your own risk. And thanks for pointing out how we really don't care about newbies around here and just want to line our pockets.  |
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johnjimjones
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| Exactly, the reason it's implemented is because it is done out of experience. I got burned on 2 out of my first 4 trades, but after that I haven't been scammed yet. |
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Freddy Fred
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Why wouldn't you give TR credit to two newbies with less than 4 TR who do a trade via the trade module and the outcome is good?
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johnjimjones
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| Freddy Fred wrote: |
Why wouldn't you give TR credit to two newbies with less than 4 TR who do a trade via the trade module and the outcome is good?
That was the questionable part to me. Not trying to stir up controversy or get anyones shorts in a bunch.
By the way, I have been doing this a long time too.... look at my join date. |
Two scammers could work their TR up from 0 and give the appearance of being legitimate without having any real credibility. |
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Freddy Fred
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Point taken. Did not mean to offend any long time traders or ops.
I guess I see where you are coming from on the subject. Starting to make more sense now that I see it from someone elses point of view.
Never had an issue with a trader before. |
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Freddy Fred
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, I just wanted to see how many replies from you I could get...
Like to see those SCARLETT JOHANSSON avatars fill my screen.
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dmorris68
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Freddy Fred wrote: |
Why wouldn't you give TR credit to two newbies with less than 4 TR who do a trade via the trade module and the outcome is good?
That was the questionable part to me. Not trying to stir up controversy or get anyones shorts in a bunch.
By the way, I have been doing this a long time too.... look at my join date. |
Two scammers could work their TR up from 0 and give the appearance of being legitimate without having any real credibility. |
Exactly, it's happened before. Plus what was already mentioned about encouraging newbies to seek out more experienced traders for their first few trades. The rule serves a purpose, and once dictated, we aren't going to ignore it just because a newbie-to-newbie trade turns out okay.
And Freddy, a join date of nearly 2 years ago doesn't mean a whole lot when you have 9 posts and 3 TR. Lots of newbies, as we're seeing here lately, join and then never participate or even learn how to properly do the freebie thing, before disappearing again. So there's really no way for us to judge "how long you've been doing this" by your join date alone, if you have little TR and little to no presence on the forums. 
And my shorts aren't in a bunch -- it just comes off as a bit discourteous to think that the time and effort all of us mods/admins put into this place, a lot of which is spent overseeing and refereeing trades in order to protect our members, takes a back seat to accusations of "getting first crack" at newbies. Look at my relatively low TR compared to how long I've been here and how much time I spend at this place. Also witness that despite the massive influx of nearly 5000 (!) new members in the last several months that I've not initiated a single trade with any of them. Not everybody here is out to take advantage of folks, but having said that, it's in the newbies best interest to deal with experienced members at first for the reasons already mentioned. |
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No problem, here's another post just for you  |
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There's a reason why when I get into a trade with a new user, I spend 2 hours explaining how the process works. A lot of us have been doing freebies for years.
The same people that can't even read the rules/guidelines set to protect you are the ones complaining about them. |
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| bballp6699 wrote: |
There's a reason why when I get into a trade with a new user, I spend 2 hours explaining how the process works. A lot of us have been doing freebies for years.
The same people that can't even read the rules/guidelines set to protect you are the ones complaining about them. |
I've only been doing this for 2 1/2 weeks and I've also found myself spending hours at a time helping "newbies" figure out what they're doing. I don't mind at all though, and I certainly don't mind trading with "newbies" even though some consider me a newbie. If I didn't have the two or three first trades I did with VERY ESTABLISHED traders (Shaggz and Bullseye4u), I really don't think I would've been able to catch on as fast and I would've definitely gotten frustrated and probably disappeared from the freebie scene.
For those of you who don't like the TR guidelines or think that it's there so that established traders get "first crack"...think again. The mods and admin on this forum do EVERYTHING in their power to protect the members...and please believe me when I tell you that the TR guidelines are just another step they've taken to protect both the established traders and the newbies. Good luck everything!!!! |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Like I said in my previous post only 3 TR because I trade mostly with <4 and have <4. Also, only 9 posts in 2 years because of the old saying.... nothing to say... don't say it. Most of my interaction is via PM or e-mail. Everyone uses this site a bit differently.
Today was my first post in a long time because I agreed with another users post. I also said I got the point for the TR rules and said I did not wish to offend anyone.
Enough said. Done with this topic. |
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| I love this site lol Fred |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: hi |
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| i agree with some of the others, we are tring to make money to even if are tr is not higher that a 4 this mokes it hard on us to get people to trade with us and wont to go green |
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| I agree with csullivan1@rochester.rr.c and I joined about the same time 2 1/2 weeks ago. I haven't completed nearly as many trades as she has, but she's right about having to do a lot explaining. I've had two newbie refs do nothing and go out of contact with me, as I was trying to help them - I guess they were overwhelmed with all the free stuff rules and regulations LOL Also, I think that TR is a good thing because I work 10-12hours a day so when I do get to make trades (I wish more often) the TR helps me pick out someone that might be the best use of my time and effort. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Freddy Fred wrote: |
| Like I said in my previous post only 3 TR because I trade mostly with <4 and have <4. |
Since the threshold for TR credit is so low, many new users trade with established users early on. Then, when they know the rules and have established a higher TR, they trade with users with lower TR (who you correctly pointed out are often able to do more sites and offers). The advantage to this of course is that the less-established trader has to complete his end of the deal first.
So new users who insist on trading with other new users will consistently be at a disadvantage on this site, for two key reasons:
1) you'll be likelier to deal with someone who is not particularly experienced in the freebie game, or, worse, is a scammer; and
2) you'll always have to complete your end of the deal first. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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i'm here
to remind you
of the mess you made
when you trade-with-other-users-with-TR < 4
you
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Many 0TR user Pm'd me asking for trades when I join ed just a few days.
Fortunately, I didn't accept any of them |
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KeithA
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Many 0TR user Pm'd me asking for trades when I join ed just a few days.
Fortunately, I didn't accept any of them |
wisely done |
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| I I am not looking to up my trade record just to do more trades. |
eh, but you become more trustworthy with a higher trade record. i like the protection for the 'newbies' because it would be very easy to get scammed. i've have several trades already fail with newbies (and even though their pushyness did not deter me and I did not pay before I said I would, it still sucks to see a red on your screen) becasue how easy it would be for me to go to make an account, and take all of these pay-before-play offers or advantage of a newbie who doesn't know that he can wait before paying, and roll out a happy person! while yes, a more established person could do just the same, the likelihood is far decreased when you think of how many new signups there has been. but in the scheme of the whole system, given the amount of users on this forum, to do 4 lousey trades with 4 established users (heck, do 4 different people if you really don't feal generous enough to do more than one trade with a user) would not give any established user an 'edge.' after that, make it your policy to only deal with newbies or only deal with oldies-- it's your choice and you'll get credit every time. honestly, it is harder to deal with newbies a lot of times anyhow.
more than my 2 cents, but i just couldn't control my word vomit... apologies. |
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KeithA
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Two noobs diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry they could not trade (them both
With TR less than 4) they stood
And looked at the rules as long as they could
Until one of them started her TR growth |
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| I have a question!! I had 4 requesting and when I did one of my own and requested it was denied before the other 4 were accepted!! The other 4 were with traders above 4. Can i get credit for that trade? I just didnt know why the other 4 remained in request mode for a day and a half and the newest one like 8 hours old got denied!! If the other 4 were accepted then the 5th one would have been accepted too. Is there a place to voice this? Thanks!! I hope the wasnt confusing because it was confusing trying to explain it!! LOL |
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| KeithA wrote: |
i'm here
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when you trade-with-other-users-with-TR < 4
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you
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How do you sleep at night... |
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Hmmmm ...
Let's see here ... All one has to do to participate is:
1 - READ The Rules
2 - FOLLOW The Rules
SIMPLE ... Even THIS newbie understands that. Following the rules has done me VERY well in the short time I've been doing this.
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| Hmm j/w why new users that trade with each other shouldn't deserve TR? That doesn't make since unless there is a specific reason behind it. |
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dmorris68
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| MyJobIsThis wrote: |
| Hmm j/w why new users that trade with each other shouldn't deserve TR? That doesn't make since unless there is a specific reason behind it. |
Did you not read the explanations that several of us gave in this very topic? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| MyJobIsThis wrote: |
| Hmm j/w why new users that trade with each other shouldn't deserve TR? That doesn't make since unless there is a specific reason behind it. |
There's not a chance in hell this is a serious post.
If you are serious you deserve a temp-ban for it. |
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