Video card for dual monitors?
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		14-01-2007 10:31:14
	 
	
	
	I'm using a Dell with the standard on-board video.  I do no gaming whatsoever, so this has been fine.  Since I got my 24" widescreen from I-Deal, I think I want to start running a dual set up.
What's a good video card for me?  Like I said, the extent of what I do is web browsing, and some web design.  DVI or VGA out is fine.  I would like if it had an S-Video out also, but that's not a deal-breaker.
Is this doable for under $50?	
	
 
	
		mikedb
		14-01-2007 11:40:53
	 
	
	
	very doable. 
Assuming you PC is a few years old, it will still use the older AGP interface.  
In any case, there are a plethora of options for under $50, with s-video.
I like this one- its among the cheapest, but does not have a fan, so it should be quiet.
http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127181
Mike	
	
 
	
		Tholek
		14-01-2007 12:01:20
	 
	
	
	I've got a eVGA 6200, which often sells for around $50. Nice for the price.	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		14-01-2007 12:34:02
	 
	
	
	It's probably about 2 years old, so I'm not sure if that means it would still have an AGP interface.  I got it from the Freepay (Gratis, at the time) desktop computer site.	
	
 
	
		dudeextrem2000
		14-01-2007 13:01:30
	 
	
	
	do you want dual vga or dvi monitors?
edit nm i just re read your post...
which one of these connectors look like your slot?
http//www.edvblogger.de/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/pic-agp-pcie-cards.jpg
and here are some good deals on various cards
.(AGP).
Diamond S120 Radeon 9550 / 256MB DDR / AGP 8x / DVI / VGA / TV Out  ($39.99)
http//www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2145957&CatId=0
PNY Verto GeForce 5200 / 256MB DDR / AGP 8x / Dual VGA / TV Out ($54.99)
http//www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2148784&CatId=0
.(PCI-E).
HIS Radeon X300SE HyperMemory / 128MB DDR / Supporting 512MB with Hypermemory / PCI Express / DVI / VGA / TV Out ($44.99)
http//www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2448031&CatId=0
Connect3D Radeon X300se / 128MB DDR / PCI Express / VGA / DVI / TV Out / Video Card with FREE Tenomichi Editing Software - a $50 USD Value ($49.99)
http//www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1086167&CatId=0
Hope that helps...	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		15-01-2007 11:07:12
	 
	
	
	Thanks for the help, everyone D
Now I can sell my Mac Mini, so I can use my PC for video streaming instead.	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		17-01-2007 11:45:30
	 
	
	
	When I get home tonight, I'll take a picture of the inside of my PC.  Would someone mind identifying for me what kind of slot I have?
Also, will I need to disable my onboard video, once I get the new card installed?	
	
 
	
		Tholek
		17-01-2007 12:16:26
	 
	
	
	Post your mobo (or pc) model number. A Google will then reveal the slot type. (Likely still AGP)
I'm unsure if you need to disable on board video in the BIOS. When I insert a AGP card into my old Gateway, it just recognizes it as the display adapter, and disables the on board one automatically. I think I had to set it manually for old PCI video cards (non-express).	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		17-01-2007 12:18:25
	 
	
	
	[quoteee8775fd5d="Tholek"]Post your mobo (or pc) model number. A Google will then reveal the slot type. (Likely still AGP)
I'm unsure if you need to disable on board video in the BIOS. When I insert a AGP card into my old Gateway, it just recognizes it as the display adapter, and disables the on board one automatically. I think I had to set it manually for old PCI video cards (non-express).[/quoteee8775fd5d]
It's a Dell Dimension from the FreeDesktopPCs site, received about 2 years ago.  Does that help? ?	
	
 
	
		Tholek
		17-01-2007 12:28:49
	 
	
	
	Mrrph. They updated that a couple of times. Can you read the number on the front or back?	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		17-01-2007 13:14:01
	 
	
	
	It's a Dimension 4700	
	
 
	
		Tholek
		17-01-2007 13:40:35
	 
	
	
	http//reviews.cnet.com/Dell_Dimension_4700_for_Home/4505-3118_7-31292625.html
It's PCI-E, apparently, although "4700" is more of a "series" model number. The number on the back is probably more specific.	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		17-01-2007 13:56:37
	 
	
	
	I'm burning a DVD right now, but once it's done, I'll turn the case around and see what the number is.
In the meantime, can someone direct me to some decent PCI-E cards that match what I'm looking for?  The two that dudeextrem2000 recommended are unavailable for purchase now (	
	
 
	
		doylnea
		17-01-2007 13:56:39
	 
	
	
	[quote973836cfd6="Tholek"]http//reviews.cnet.com/Dell_Dimension_4700_for_Home/4505-3118_7-31292625.html
It's PCI-E, apparently, although "4700" is more of a "series" model number. The number on the back is probably more specific.[/quote973836cfd6]
The 4700 is PCI-e, I'm using one as a HTPC and have the stock ATI x300 in there, which supports dual monitors I think (DVI and VGA).	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		17-01-2007 13:57:54
	 
	
	
	Well, I'm no longer going to run dualies.  I just want something with DVI, and S-video out.
As a side note - is it possible to have my video going through my DVI and S-video out at the same time?  I imagine having a widescreen monitor would cause a problem.	
	
 
	
		doylnea
		17-01-2007 14:07:19
	 
	
	
	The x300 (which costs about $10 on eBay these days) supports both DVI and S-Video.  If you're not gaming, I can't imagine you'd a more expensive card.  I have no idea, however, whether it will support simultaneous outputs.	
	
 
	
		dmorris68
		17-01-2007 14:10:58
	 
	
	
	Nvidia cards will usually support output via both TV and PC outputs simultaneously -- at least it seems to be pretty common on Linux with people using them for MythTV cards.  I haven't tried on a Windows PC to see if the drivers support it, but they probably do.	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		17-01-2007 19:03:19
	 
	
	
	Clarifications..
I'm now looking for a video card that can drive two separate monitors at once - one being my TV (via S-video output), and the other being my actual widescreen monitor.
I want to use my current desktop PC for streaming video once and a while - certainly not enough to get a dedicated HTPC, but enough that it's worth spending money on a video card to make it easy.
Can someone point me towards some models of video cards that will do this for me?  Or better yet, am I going down the wrong path?  What would be the best way to accomplish my goal?
I want to play videos on my TV, but still be able to use my regular monitor at the same time.	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		18-01-2007 05:21:23
	 
	
	
	After doing some reading and thinking..
What if I have two video cards in my system - one driving the S-video output, the other driving the VGI/DVI output.  Could I then have output sent to both my TV and widescreen monitor simultaneously?
Do video cards exist that do output to DVI and S-video simultaneously, with different resolutions on each?  Sorry for all the questions, but it seems the more I read up on it, the more confused I get.	
	
 
	
		dmorris68
		18-01-2007 05:35:33
	 
	
	
	Yes, Nvidia cards support the TV-Out as a secondary display, so they can run independent resolutions just like a 2nd monitor.  However if you have a card with dual VGA/DVI outputs and a TV-Out, you have to choose between either the TV-Out or 2nd PC connection for the secondary display -- you can't have 3 outputs from one card.
I can't speak to the ATI cards because I've not tried to use one for dual-display.	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		18-01-2007 05:47:34
	 
	
	
	[quote592ff7c09e="dmorris68"]Yes, Nvidia cards support the TV-Out as a secondary display, so they can run independent resolutions just like a 2nd monitor.  However if you have a card with dual VGA/DVI outputs and a TV-Out, you have to choose between either the TV-Out or 2nd PC connection for the secondary display -- you can't have 3 outputs from one card.
I can't speak to the ATI cards because I've not tried to use one for dual-display.[/quote592ff7c09e]
Perfect, thanks so much for your help.  I want to have the DVI running to my monitor, and S-video to the TV -- no need to use the 3rd connection.
Got any recommendations on a specific Nvidia card?  I've been on the Nvidia site this morning, and I'm not sure what will meet my needs without being overkill.	
	
 
	
		dmorris68
		18-01-2007 05:53:41
	 
	
 
	
		Tholek
		18-01-2007 06:10:47
	 
	
	
	I love my 6200. I'm a light gamer, and it does me fine. No noise either. (Fanless)	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		18-01-2007 07:04:01
	 
	
	
	Any thoughts on this card?
http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814141034
Would I see a noticeable difference between S-video and Component, seeing as it's going to just be on a Standard Def TV?	
	
 
	
		Tholek
		18-01-2007 07:41:57
	 
	
	
	I forgot to bring this up earlier, but are there some issues with cards that use a ribbon cable to connect to the second port? I thought I read something about that. It was one of the reasons I got the eVGA one.	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		18-01-2007 09:39:31
	 
	
	
	Tholek - assuming I use the DVI and S-Video ports on the card that I just linked to, would I be alright?
Just when I thought I knew what card I wanted, you throw a monkey wrench into it ;)	
	
 
	
		Tholek
		18-01-2007 15:46:50
	 
	
	
	Assuming what I raised is an actual known issue, then I think you'd still be ok. I'm not 100% certain that it [i8f08991632]is[/i8f08991632] an issue, though. It was just something I read when shopping for my own 6200.
I was really hoping the oracle, I mean dmorris, would have posted by now with the answer. ;)	
	
 
	
		dmorris68
		18-01-2007 16:31:15
	 
	
	
	I've had cards with the ribbon cables connecting the 2nd connector, and never had a problem.  In fact I think the 6200 in my HTPC is like that.  Of course if you're not using the 2nd DVI connector then it wouldn't be an issue anyway.	
	
 
	
		CollidgeGraduit
		18-01-2007 19:23:47
	 
	
	
	Thanks for all your help and patience, everybody.  I ordered my video card.  Here's hoping the rest is easy ;)