Help me buy a TV!
YourGiftsFree
03-12-2006 14:29:42
Hey,
There are probably a million of these threads but I need some help!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Requrirments~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1.) Anything up to 2K
2.) The bigger inches the better
3.) Must be a Plasma
4.) Must be HDTV ready (built in tuner)
5.) HDMI port
6.)1080P (PS3)
7.) No projections
If any one can help, +karma.
EnergyDrinks4Free
03-12-2006 14:32:20
I would suggest making any big purchases at Circuit City.
No interest for 18 months.
manOFice
03-12-2006 14:51:52
I would go with a Lcd instead of plasma
EnergyDrinks4Free
03-12-2006 14:53:07
[quote001336a74e="manofice"]I would go with a Lcd instead of plasma[/quote001336a74e]
The big ones are rare and cost at least two arms (maybe a leg too).
tylerc
03-12-2006 14:54:37
T-T-Tech Yourself?
JPeeper
03-12-2006 15:09:55
When I made a thread like this it was moved to "T-T-Tech"
Unless you like your picture lagging don't get an LCD, go DLP or Plasma. Check out amazon.com or woot.com. 1080P tv's cost quite a bit, so be prepared to get a smaller 1080P or spend more money.
YourGiftsFree
03-12-2006 15:30:46
Hey,
Move this to tech forum if possible, my bad.
Im really looking for a big Plasma with all those requirements 2K or under.
BD2006BD
03-12-2006 15:39:24
Is this plasma for you or for your promotion???
YourGiftsFree
03-12-2006 15:42:16
For me.
h3x, is this the tv you have http//cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160058293908&rd=1&rd=1
And is that good for the money? It's about $800 USD
Killer722
03-12-2006 19:24:57
[quote0c46bdf22e="manofice"]I would go with a Lcd instead of plasma[/quote0c46bdf22e]
That's what I tried to tell him...
JPeeper
03-12-2006 20:48:48
What ever you do, don't go Sony.
[quoted64d720468="kala"]h3x, is this the tv you have http//cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160058293908&rd=1&rd=1
And is that good for the money? It's about $800 USD[/quoted64d720468]
I have a 42" (HLR4266W).
The TV you're looking at on eBay Canada doesn't look like it can do 1080i and it has only 1 component and 1 HDMI.
It's a good price but that's because it was a Demo unit... So it was running all the time when their store was open for 4 months (according to their description)... You're probably going to have to replace the bulb very soon. I'd suggest you buy a new TV instead of a Demo unit.
[quotef0c2d5bdaf="h3x"][quotef0c2d5bdaf="kala"]h3x, is this the tv you have http//cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160058293908&rd=1&rd=1
And is that good for the money? It's about $800 USD[/quotef0c2d5bdaf]
I have a 42" (HLR4266W).
The TV you're looking at on eBay Canada doesn't look like it can do 1080i and it has only 1 component and 1 HDMI.
It's a good price but that's because it was a Demo unit... So it was running all the time when their store was open for 4 months (according to their description)... You're probably going to have to replace the bulb very soon. I'd suggest you buy a new TV instead of a Demo unit.[/quotef0c2d5bdaf]
Thanks for the suggestion, exactly what I needed! )
dmorris68
04-12-2006 10:08:48
I disagree with the LCD over Plasma, if you want 42" or larger. Go look at some big-screen LCD's and you'll see why. Large-format LCD's suffer from numerous flaws that just make them unacceptable to me in anything larger than 37".
li Image artifacting/pixellation
li Smearing/lagging on brightly colored fast moving objects
li Screen door effect, which looks worse the closer you get to it
If money is no object, and wall-hanging is not a requirement, I'd go with SXRD (the best IMO) or DLP (2nd best). Plasma would be my next recommendation only if wall-hanging was a requirement.
YourGiftsFree
04-12-2006 12:20:12
So their arent any Plasmas 2K or under that are 1080P?
dmorris68
04-12-2006 16:13:23
[quote55a9c49a9c="YourGiftsFree"]So their arent any Plasmas 2K or under that are 1080P?[/quote55a9c49a9c]
Nope, doubt it seriously. A Pricegrabber search returns only ONE plasma at 1080p, a Pioneer Elite 50" at over $5K.
Again I'll say, unless you MUST mount it on a wall, I'd go with RP, either an SXRD or a DLP. I know you can get a 50" 1080p DLP for under $2K. SXRD will run a bit higher but IMO looks much better.
JKirk
04-12-2006 16:27:41
dmorris68
04-12-2006 16:29:33
[quotee6397a01b3="JKirk"]
ZING[=http//www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F2P31E/?s=electronics/002-8201467-4744836]ZING.[/quotee6397a01b3]
Yep, that's what I'm trying to tell him. Samsung makes the best DLP's in my opinion, and they're very reasonably priced. I'd still rather spend another $1K and get an SXRD though. No moving parts, no rainbow effect. ;)
[be6397a01b3]Edit[/be6397a01b3] Oh JKirk, that DLP isn't 1080p. ;)
Still you can find 1080p DLP's for under $2K. Note this link, Samsung 50" and Toshiba 62" for under $2K
http//www.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php?page_id=137&form_keyword=1080p+dlp&rd=1
JKirk
04-12-2006 16:43:22
[quoted513ce917e="dmorris68"][quoted513ce917e="JKirk"]
ZING[=http//www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F2P31E/?s=electronics/002-8201467-4744836]ZING.[/quoted513ce917e]
Yep, that's what I'm trying to tell him. Samsung makes the best DLP's in my opinion, and they're very reasonably priced. I'd still rather spend another $1K and get an SXRD though. No moving parts, no rainbow effect. ;)
[bd513ce917e]Edit[/bd513ce917e] Oh JKirk, that DLP isn't 1080p. ;)
[/quoted513ce917e]
So close.... so... close..... to getting one up on dmorris.
YourGiftsFree
04-12-2006 17:33:21
So wait what is the SXRD (DLP or Plasma?) Can it be mounted on the wall?
dmorris68
04-12-2006 18:01:40
[quote832afa9b78="YourGiftsFree"]So wait what is the SXRD (DLP or Plasma?) Can it be mounted on the wall?[/quote832afa9b78]
SXRD is neither DLP nor Plasma. It's Sony's version of LCoS (Liquid Crystal on Silicon). It's closest to an LCD projection but without the LCD drawbacks.
And no, you can' hang it on a wall (as I pointed out several times already). The only thing you can hang on a wall are a plasma or an LCD flat panel. Generally speaking rear-projections of all types (LCD, DLP, SXRD/LCoS, CRT) cannot be wall mounted. However a few companies, including Infocus, LG, and RCA (not a quality set, though) make a "thin" or low-profile DLP that is only about 8" deep and is wall-mountable. 8" is still pretty thick to stick out of a wall though.
YourGiftsFree
04-12-2006 18:42:41
dmorris68
04-12-2006 18:53:29
YourGiftsFree
04-12-2006 18:55:31
Oh thanks!
Alright thanks for the help. Looks like I'll be getting that. I cant wait to lay eyes on the PS3 1080P HDMI setting! I couldnt find it but is the HD tuner in it already? That may be a stupid question.
dmorris68
04-12-2006 19:01:06
[quote0bafffcbbb="YourGiftsFree"]Oh thanks!
Alright thanks for the help. Looks like I'll be getting that. I cant wait to lay eyes on the PS3 1080P HDMI setting! I couldnt find it but is the HD tuner in it already? That may be a stupid question.[/quote0bafffcbbb]
Yes, it has a full tuner + semi-decent sounding speakers with TruSurround if you don't already have a 5.1 setup yet (although I recommend that, 5.1 is a must for both gaming and movies).
YourGiftsFree
04-12-2006 19:05:55
Alright thanks again!
double_d
04-12-2006 20:04:35
dmorris68
04-12-2006 20:38:21
[quote5d4020d020="double_d"]What does the XBR have that the A2000 doesn't? I only see an extra HDMI input.
$1000 price difference.
SXRD XBR Model[=http//tinyurl.com/s4jlj]SXRD XBR Model[/quote5d4020d020]
AFAIK the differences are one extra HDMI input and an upgraded video engine on the XBR2 -- the A2000 uses a v2 (IIRC) WEGA engine while the XBR2 uses a v3 engine. I haven't researched exactly what that means, probably a better scaler.
I have last year's XBR1 model, which spec-wise looks to be about the same as this year's A2000. Of course I paid much more for my XBR1 than the new XBR2 costs, but that's the price you pay for buying cutting-edge.
YourGiftsFree
22-02-2007 10:09:55
dmorris68
22-02-2007 11:15:28
[quote569bdd0bbb="YourGiftsFree"]Hey
Whats the difference really between the 3 60" TV's here? I see they are different prices, but they all have 1080P etc. I want the 2,999 one, but whats really the difference between the 3?
Here is the long link[=http//www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_ParametricSearch-Start;sid=q3RF72f7vvtH4iImd-lP5Cj0R0mDz9RhMBA=?search_keyword=SXRD&selected_category_name=None&SearchAll.x=0&SearchAll.y=0&SearchAll=Search/]Here is the long link[/quote569bdd0bbb]
I already posted some of the differences between the A2000 and XBR2 models (XBR2 has upgraded engine, extra HDMI & RF outputs, TwinView, CableCard slot). The A2020 appears identical in specs to the A2000 as far as I can tell, so it's probably just a model refresh with tweaked firmware or something, and $100 cheaper to boot. I'd probably go for it over the A2000.
SXRD model comparison[=http//www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_CompareProd-Start?CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection_55to80TVs&ComparisonURL=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eadvizia%2ecom%2fv41%2fCheckOff%2easp%3fUser%3dSonyTelevision-SS%26Q%3dTelevision%20Type%7cRear%20Projection]SXRD model comparison
[b569bdd0bbb]EDIT[/b569bdd0bbb] Guess you can't link directly to the comparison, so choose Rear Projection and Over 60" to narrow it down to 4 models, then click the Compare button.
YourGiftsFree
22-02-2007 11:39:22
Ok, thanks! I'll be gong with the original 2,999 one.
BD2006BD
22-02-2007 12:42:23
I was walking through Best Buy today and looked over and saw Ice Age playing on a 70" SXRD tv.. I was a good distance away and the picture was so awesome I froze there and walked up to it... lol.
It was the best picture I have seen on a TV. One problem is it's $5,999 !
dmorris68
22-02-2007 12:46:25
[quoted788c9b73a="BD2006BD"]I was walking through Best Buy today and looked over and saw Ice Age playing on a 70" SXRD tv.. I was a good distance away and the picture was so awesome I froze there and walked up to it... lol.
It was the best picture I have seen on a TV. One problem is it's $5,999 ![/quoted788c9b73a]
That's a typical SXRD experience. ) I was shopping for a DLP when I first saw the SXRD on display, when they just came out. I immediately canceled my plans for DLP and waited until I could afford the 60" SXRD. Which at the time was $5K, so $6K for the 70" doesn't sound so bad to me. )
YourGiftsFree
22-02-2007 14:15:27
[quote77629b97d7="dmorris68"][quote77629b97d7="BD2006BD"]I was walking through Best Buy today and looked over and saw Ice Age playing on a 70" SXRD tv.. I was a good distance away and the picture was so awesome I froze there and walked up to it... lol.
It was the best picture I have seen on a TV. One problem is it's $5,999 ![/quote77629b97d7]
That's a typical SXRD experience. ) I was shopping for a DLP when I first saw the SXRD on display, when they just came out. I immediately canceled my plans for DLP and waited until I could afford the 60" SXRD. Which at the time was $5K, so $6K for the 70" doesn't sound so bad to me. )[/quote77629b97d7]
Awesome! ) I cant wait to put blu-ray 1080p on my 60"
bballp6699
23-02-2007 12:36:02
We have that exact model you're getting. It's a great TV, but to me not worth the extra price unless you're filthy rich like David.
OldManWrigley
23-02-2007 15:55:28
Is it just me, but I thought nobody bought RP anymore?
YourGiftsFree
23-02-2007 21:16:25
[quote0e956535a9="OldManWrigley"]Is it just me, but I thought nobody bought RP anymore?[/quote0e956535a9]
Its 1080P!
Hey David, would you happen to know of an HDTV that's at least 60" and accepts a 1080p signal via DB-15 (VGA) and isn't a flat panel and isn't a CRT? I was going to get the KDS-60A2000 but it only supports HDMI (doesn't even support 1080p over Component)...
tml09
24-02-2007 07:13:44
[quotebf70414009]Is it just me, but I thought nobody bought RP anymore?[/quotebf70414009]
Are you crazy!?! lol
RPs have VERY good picture quality and are cheaper than lcds and plasmas (size comparision)
YourGiftsFree
24-02-2007 08:39:14
YourGiftsFree
24-02-2007 08:51:31
[quote1e37616dfe="YourGiftsFree"][quote1e37616dfe="h3x"][quote1e37616dfe="YourGiftsFree"]Well, I went to CC, and they said this is about the same.
This TV[=http//www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-61-DLP-Projection-HDTV-HL-S6187W/sem/rpsm/oid/155406/catOid/-12870/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do]This TV
He said the reason its cheaper then the SXRD is basically because it has Sonys name on it and they can do it. Is there that big of a difference?[/quote1e37616dfe]
That's the exact TV I was thinking of getting, but does it support 1080p via VGA? (Again, for the XBOX 360)[/quote1e37616dfe]
I can ask that when I go back later today for you.[/quote1e37616dfe]
Great! I'd really appreciate that.
But if you could.. Don't mention the XBOX 360 whatsoever... Just ask if it supports 1080p via VGA (Because knowing how Best Buy works... They will lie to you so you just might buy an xbox 360 as well... a lot of shady sales practices went on when I worked at Best Buy, including a manager of Geek Squad threatening a Mexican tourist into getting a Performance Service Plan on a laptop he was buying).
Thanks again )
YourGiftsFree
24-02-2007 09:18:04
[quoted7f9d4bbda="h3x"][quoted7f9d4bbda="YourGiftsFree"][quoted7f9d4bbda="h3x"][quoted7f9d4bbda="YourGiftsFree"]Well, I went to CC, and they said this is about the same.
This TV[=http//www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-61-DLP-Projection-HDTV-HL-S6187W/sem/rpsm/oid/155406/catOid/-12870/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do]This TV
He said the reason its cheaper then the SXRD is basically because it has Sonys name on it and they can do it. Is there that big of a difference?[/quoted7f9d4bbda]
That's the exact TV I was thinking of getting, but does it support 1080p via VGA? (Again, for the XBOX 360)[/quoted7f9d4bbda]
I can ask that when I go back later today for you.[/quoted7f9d4bbda]
Great! I'd really appreciate that.
But if you could.. Don't mention the XBOX 360 whatsoever... Just ask if it supports 1080p via VGA (Because knowing how Best Buy works... They will lie to you so you just might buy an xbox 360 as well... a lot of shady sales practices went on when I worked at Best Buy, including a manager of Geek Squad threatening a Mexican tourist into getting a Performance Service Plan on a laptop he was buying).
Thanks again )[/quoted7f9d4bbda]
Np ) I'm actually buying it at Circuit City. I wont mention it though.
dmorris68
24-02-2007 10:01:52
[quote2a2f4186b5="OldManWrigley"]Is it just me, but I thought nobody bought RP anymore?[/quote2a2f4186b5]
Not true at all. Both SXRD and DLP are extremely popular, and unless I required a wall mount, I'd take either over any other flat panel. RP-LCD are also still extremely common.
IMO the SXRD looks better than any other technology, period, IMO. And my 60" SXRD is only about 16-18" deep and is very lightweight for its size, so it's easy to move around (but takes 2 people due to its size).
dmorris68
24-02-2007 10:09:06
[quoteae091feb02="YourGiftsFree"]Well, I went to CC, and they said this is about the same.
This TV[=http//www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-61-DLP-Projection-HDTV-HL-S6187W/sem/rpsm/oid/155406/catOid/-12870/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do]This TV
He said the reason its cheaper then the SXRD is basically because it has Sonys name on it and they can do it. Is there that big of a difference?[/quoteae091feb02]
Sounds like typical CircutCity idiots. lol
DLP is great, but it in no way is it the "same thing" as SXRD. Two completely different technologies, and SXRD image quality easily beats DLP. DLP may be fine for your needs, as long as you don't mind the moving parts and potential rainbow effect. SXRD is certainly more expensive, but in my opinion was well worth it.
YourGiftsFree
24-02-2007 10:32:06
Im using it more for the PS3. They told me the Samsung DLP has a gaming setting it will adjust for and the SXRD doesn't. Also, what is the rainbow affect?
dmorris68
24-02-2007 18:43:20
[quote12b8df57aa="YourGiftsFree"]Im using it more for the PS3. They told me the Samsung DLP has a gaming setting it will adjust for and the SXRD doesn't. Also, what is the rainbow affect?[/quote12b8df57aa]
All a "gaming" setting is a preset for color/brightness/contrast. SXRD's have several presets, I don't remember if one is called "gaming" but I'm thinking there was one. Regardless, it changes nothing about how the set works.
RBE is an artifact unique to DLP's whereby you see a shimmering rainbow-like color pattern, most noticeable when you move your head while watching. Some people are very sensitive to it, and others don't notice it (at least until it's pointed out to them, then some notice it all the time). Newer sets have reduced it somewhat with higher-RPM color wheels, but then again you're putting even greater strain on moving parts. Image quality notwithstanding, I've always had a bit of a problem with the whole spinning color wheel technology.
YourGiftsFree
24-02-2007 19:32:59
[quote7e660ffb8e="dmorris68"][quote7e660ffb8e="YourGiftsFree"]Im using it more for the PS3. They told me the Samsung DLP has a gaming setting it will adjust for and the SXRD doesn't. Also, what is the rainbow affect?[/quote7e660ffb8e]
All a "gaming" setting is a preset for color/brightness/contrast. SXRD's have several presets, I don't remember if one is called "gaming" but I'm thinking there was one. Regardless, it changes nothing about how the set works.
RBE is an artifact unique to DLP's whereby you see a shimmering rainbow-like color pattern, most noticeable when you move your head while watching. Some people are very sensitive to it, and others don't notice it (at least until it's pointed out to them, then some notice it all the time). Newer sets have reduced it somewhat with higher-RPM color wheels, but then again you're putting even greater strain on moving parts. Image quality notwithstanding, I've always had a bit of a problem with the whole spinning color wheel technology.[/quote7e660ffb8e]
hmm, well I just got back from buying the DLP one. I was torn, but I liked it a little better. If I experience RBE I have 30 days to bring it back for whatever reason.
dmorris68
24-02-2007 19:51:57
I'm sure you'll be happy with it. I've always said DLP was the best bang-for-the-buck, image-quality wise. I was shopping for one when I discovered SXRD. If I couldn't have an SXRD, and didn't need to wall-mount, I'd still prefer DLP over LCD-RP's, despite my reservations with the color wheel design.
And Samsung makes the best DLP's, IMO, so I'm sure it'll be a great TV.
YourGiftsFree
24-02-2007 20:56:38
[quote3c61e1d7db="dmorris68"]I'm sure you'll be happy with it. I've always said DLP was the best bang-for-the-buck, image-quality wise. I was shopping for one when I discovered SXRD. If I couldn't have an SXRD, and didn't need to wall-mount, I'd still prefer DLP over LCD-RP's, despite my reservations with the color wheel design.
And Samsung makes the best DLP's, IMO, so I'm sure it'll be a great TV.[/quote3c61e1d7db]
Alright, awesome. )
Thanks for the advice