Mac OSX Tiger in stores by April 15th!!!

http//www.engadget.com/entry/1234000593035617/

I'm still deciding whether or not to wait to order my Mac Mini (I SHOULD be finished on Monday). I know that I WANT Tiger, but the wait may be too long, and I may end up just buying the OS (usually around $125). Personal opinions in the poll please ).

It's supposed to be the most substantial update since, well, EVER!

either way you can upgrade for free...

If I were in your shoes I would just get the mac mini, but if you were going to buy a mac mini yourself I would wait. By the time I'm finished with macminis4free.com I think I'll get Tiger as the OS... D

EatChex, you can't upgrade for free. You've got to buy Tiger for $120.

I think he was talking illegal........

[quote5021de1d58="J4320"]I think he was talking illegal........[/quote5021de1d58]

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What are the benefits of Tiger?

BIGGEST OS upgrade in the history of Apple. There's gotta be something big up.

Hmmm... Just get the minimac and wait for the upgrade. I'm thinking about getting a minimac from a free site....

[quote2e31dfc060="PodTopia"]BIGGEST OS upgrade in the history of Apple. There's gotta be something big up.[/quote2e31dfc060]

wow, thats gonna be bad ass!!

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[quote132a9b6a23="EatChex89"][quote132a9b6a23="PodTopia"]BIGGEST OS upgrade in the history of Apple. There's gotta be something big up.[/quote132a9b6a23]

wow, thats gonna be bad ass!!

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LOL, EatChex and I just talked on AIM and checked out Apple's preview site (forgive me for forgetting the URL). It's a SWEET overhaul.

[quoteddbd747185="PodTopia"]LOL, EatChex and I just talked on AIM and checked out Apple's preview site (forgive me for forgetting the URL). It's a SWEET overhaul.[/quoteddbd747185]

http//www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/

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Will definitely be getting it. But I'm gonna order ASAP on FreeMiniMacs, so w/e.

I've been a windows guy all my life. I understand what they have to say and its pretty impressive if it performs the way they say but is the G4 a 64bit processor?

[quote5c46ce0b13="my04accord"]I've been a windows guy all my life. I understand what they have to say and its pretty impressive if it performs the way they say but is the G4 a 64bit processor?[/quote5c46ce0b13]

Yeah I think so. I'm not sure though.

[quote0af9bf93ad="my04accord"]I've been a windows guy all my life. I understand what they have to say and its pretty impressive if it performs the way they say but is the G4 a 64bit processor?[/quote0af9bf93ad]G4 is 32-bit. The G5 is the 64-bit one...the 1st 64-bit processor to be used on a home computer operating system (OS X Panther)...take that Windows XP 64-Bit Edition!

awesome. thanks for the info.

i am an apple developer, and based on my most recents builds of tiger, its awesome. most of the bugs are now gone, so they are quickly approaching release. I think april may be too soon though.

[quote4ae5e59c5a="metfoo"]i am an apple developer, and based on my most recents builds of tiger, its awesome. most of the bugs are now gone, so they are quickly approaching release. I think april may be too soon though.[/quote4ae5e59c5a]


i think your full of shit. Apple developer on a freeipod forums?

any one can be a member of apples developer network. I am work for a consulting company that specializes in apple technologies. I handle all internal application development. I am a registered ADC select developer.

You can join ADC at
http//developer.apple.com/membership/?nav

You can get all released beta builds for Tiger at (costs $500)
http//developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/tigerkit.html?ht

There are several levels of membership. The cheapest level is free, but there are very little benefits. Next is select, which costs $500, but you have access to beta builds, gold masters, and all updates. The most expensive level of membership is premier, which is $3500.

College students can join ADC for $99. They get monthly developer mailings, gold master version of OS X, and a one time 20% discount at http//www.apple.com/store

I've USED Tiger (a Beta build), and it honestly doesn't seem that different from Panther. Some of the stuff in System Preferences looks different, but I don't see enough of a change in the OS to warrant $120 to switch.

My question is, when are they releasing the PowerBook G5s?

Yeah, my question is the same as Shifuimam's. I'm buying it with the money I got from Notebooks4Free and TheFreeProject (should total to be $1900).

not different?!? The GUI is much more refined. Spotlight is huge! Spotlight is years ahead of MS's winfs. The system has more 64 bit support than 10.3 did. CoreImage allows the system to utilize teh GPU more than Quartz Extreme did. Automator has been included, which allows almost anybody to makae complex scripted actions. iChat can now do 4 way video (you see three, send one), and 10 way audio.

My real interest is Tiger Server. Tiger Server is a huge upgrade when compared to panther server. It will now include built in spam filtering on the mail server, nuilt in antivirus scanning on the mail server, a blog server, and many other big enhancements.

Tiger looks massive.

Since I got my Mac Mini just a few days ago, I've been amazed at how well it runs (on the low memory) as well as how well the user interface was designed. If I can get just a few more things into place, I may switch over to it as my 'primary' machine.

The only bad part is, there seems to be far less warez, but as a computer programmer myself, I know that you need to pay for software to pay hungry programmers.

I'm not saying there are NO differences...I'm saying that for most of the people here who are getting a mac mini or an ibook, it's more than likely not worth the upgrade.

I mean, I never use iChat video - I don't even have a usable webcam, and I'm not about to go out and buy an iSight, especially since I don't know anyone who uses iChat.

64-bit support is fine and dandy, but if you're using a Mac Mini or an iBook or PowerBook, you can't even make use of the 64-bit support -- all those Macs have G4 processors. It's also a matter of what you NEED. If it's just a toy, you don't really NEED to upgrade - Panther will more than support your needs as a user.

I will grant you that spotlight is pretty cool, from what I have seen of it. But how often would you use it? If you're like me, you keep all your files incredibly organized from the start, so it's very, very easy to find whatever you're looking for...but it is a useful and advanced feature.

At this point, it seems to me that it's a waste of $120 to upgrade to Tiger. I'd rather spend the $120 on more memory for an iBook/PowerBook, a wireless upgrade on the Mac Mini, or something similar.

That's cool that Tiger server is a huge upgrade, but would anyone here be considering turning a Mac Mini box into their main mail server or something? I doubt it - most of these people are more than likely interested in it as a toy and a cheap (free) door into the Mac world.

I'm just going off what I have seen, and comparing Tiger to Panther in my own use of both operating systems, I don't need Tiger at all. It's just a matter of your wants, needs, and opinions.

as i stated previously, i work for a consulting company, and our specialty is apple based solutions. I have deployed dozens of apple servers, so that is why the server is so important to me. For most people, its something they will never have to deal with it. I have heard lots of people talking about using the mini as their own personal mail/webserver.

Spotlight is useful, because you can search INSIDE documents. Being organized is one thing, but being able to search your system for any document that discusses whatever you are looking for is another.

I have seen lots of companies name documents according to PO numbers, job numbers, etc. This works well for them, because their is structure, but what if you want to find something thats not apart of that structure. Or in my case, if your developing an application and need code from another application. You can quickly search for it and find it. You dont need to know what the filename is, or where its located on the disk. You simply need to know a small portion of what it is you are looking for.

I have heard lots of people say dashboard was worth the upgrade alone. After using Tiger solely for a few weeks, I can partially agree. Dashboard is great, but not the only thing worth the upgrade price.

A new version of GCC is being used in Tiger. This should, as was in all previous version of OS X, make the OS feel snappier. The boot time is great compared to Panther.

I have also heard a lot of interest for Tigers smart folders. These folders are currently found in a variety of apple applications, but with tiger, they will be OS wide.

I am only 15 but I have used PC's my whole life, and I am really thinking of getting an ibook (or powerbook), either free or for my b-day. For those of you that are both apple and pc users, how do they stack up??? Thanks

Powerbooks are flicking sweet! I'm waiting to get mine until the G5s come out.

I didn't like dashboard at all, but that is just a personal preference thing. I'd much rather use a program like Konfabulator that allows you to have widgets open while using other windows - it seems to me that you can't do anything else while using a widget, because of how Dashboard works.

FYI - you can search inside documents with Windows XP, too. If you look in the search options, the second textbox says "Files containing" - I've used it myself, and it works very nicely. It searches any files that contain text, including HTML files, code files (like for Visual Basic, C++ and ASP.NET), etc.

I'm not trying to discount Tiger - any operating system overhaul or upgrade is generally good (even Windows ME has its good points), but some are not worth spending the money for the upgrade. It's up to the individual users to figure that one out. I can see MAYBE waiting to get a PowerBook when they release the G5s, but if it's not going to be for another six months minimum, I won't be holding out.

[quotea9fd78e57f="bceagles04"]I am only 15 but I have used PC's my whole life, and I am really thinking of getting an ibook (or powerbook), either free or for my b-day. For those of you that are both apple and pc users, how do they stack up??? Thanks[/quotea9fd78e57f]

Apples aren't bad computers. If the majority of your computer use revolves around gaming, you probably don't want to get a Mac - most high-quality computer games, RPGs, etc, are made for Windows-based machines. If you plan on doing a lot of general school stuff, like writing papers, creating PowerPoint presentations, listening to music, and surfing the internet, iBooks and PowerBooks are something to consider. If you want 100% compatibility between your computers without needing to do anything special at all, but you want something small, check out the Dell Inspiron 700m. It's incredibly tiny, has a CD-RW/DVD built-in, and is all around a really nice computer. It's a little small for my tastes, but it does have a 12" WXGA display, which is pretty cool. The biggest thing is the cost difference. You can get a base 12" iBook, with wireless, for around $950. You can get a base 12" PowerBook for $1400.

If you really are just going to use a laptop for basic computing needs, it's not really worth the extra money, IMHO. If it's free, then screw it - you might as well get what you want.

Die-hard Mac fans will defend their OS to the end. Same goes for die-hard Windows users. I'm a mix - I am starting to really like OS X, but I would never completely move away from Windows. I use far too many applications with Windows, and I enjoy customizing my desktop enough that it's not even near worth it to dump it for a PowerMac. I would, however, like to own a PowerBook because they are small, nice, and look really cool. )

I'm not gonna quote you cause it was a long post ^^^^^^^^But thanks that really helped. I would really only use it for surfing the net, writing papers, listening to music and that kind of stuff, so I may just go w/ something very simple. Maybe a 12" ibook, or if I really wanna splurge a powerbook. What is the main difference between ibooks and powerbooks?

A powerbook is COMPLETELY worth the extra money. You get

Integrated bluetooth 2.0
60gb hard drive (twice as big as the iBook)
512MB RAM (twice as much as the iBook)
Faster processor (1.5GHz compared to 1.2GHz)
Thinner, higher-quality aluminum case
Scrolling trackpad
Better trackpad (the iBook's feels rubbery)
Better display (I've seen the 12" iBook and the 12" PowerBook - the PowerBook seems to have a higher-quality, brighter, sharper LCD)

It's only about $500 more than the iBook if you get the educational discount. You have to order online since you're not in college, but there's a 99% chance your school is part of the program (unless you're homeschooled - I don't know how that works).

You can upgrade the RAM, hard drive, and bluetooth in an iBook if you wanted, but you can't upgrade the processor or get the scrolling trackpad, and the PowerBook just looks better. Popular opinion is that the iBook's plastic casing tends to hold up to more abuse than the PowerBook - the iBook is designed for home/educational/child use, while the PowerBook is more of a "business machine".

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The PowerBook is also equipped with an SMS - sudden motion sensor - similar to the one used in IBM ThinkPads. It can detect sudden jolts or impacts to the laptop, and will stop hard drive movement momentarily to prevent physical or logical damage to the drive. This isn't a feature of iBooks.
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Thanks a lot!!!

[quote78c3ca6d7c="shifuimam"]I will grant you that spotlight is pretty cool, from what I have seen of it. But how often would you use it? If you're like me, you keep all your files incredibly organized from the start, so it's very, very easy to find whatever you're looking for...but it is a useful and advanced feature.[/quote78c3ca6d7c]

well, if you're like me, I keep all my mp3s in one folder. the only problem is that I have stuff from 2000 that i downloaded from napster v.9something beta. 5 years of mp3s. I transferred them from my PC to my Mac mini. now i cant even find what song I want to listen to without searching for it, not because of the file names, but because its in one folder with like 10000 mp3s! with spotlight, since it filters in real time, I dont have to wait a few seconds before I find the song I want to load into iTunes.

Look - I'm not going to argue that it DOES depend on the person, as far as whether or not you'll find Tiger more useful than Panther.

Like I said, Spotlight is pretty cool. It's a much-needed feature of OS X, because it has been a feature of Windows XP (and 2000, I believe) all along. For instance, you can do a search for files containing text or files named something, and XP will find MP3s with that text in the ID3 tag.

If you don't keep your files organized, any search assistant is going to be helpful. I mean, I can see using Google's desktop search to find a particular AIM conversation I had saved, since it searches the contents of HTML files (although XP can do the same thing natively).

Damn...10,000 MP3s in one folder?! I couldn't deal with that. I HAVE to have my sorted in at least some form! )

[quotec9b3a3a62d="shifuimam"]Like I said, Spotlight is pretty cool. It's a much-needed feature of OS X, because it has been a feature of Windows XP (and 2000, I believe) all along. For instance, you can do a search for files containing text or files named something, and XP will find MP3s with that text in the ID3 tag.
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You could do similar in file searching in XP, but the difference is XP isnt realtime. Spotlight can be compared to google for your own stuff. Its blazing fast, and very accurate.

http//www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/spotlight.html

XP can do word documents, and other office docs, but as far as i know, it doesnt look in PDF's, mail attachments, images metadata, etc. Plus XP is slow in comparison. Watch the demo.

[quote9ae7b74695="shifuimam"]
I'm just going off what I have seen, and comparing Tiger to Panther in my own use of both operating systems, I don't need Tiger at all. It's just a matter of your wants, needs, and opinions.[/quote9ae7b74695]

Agreed, mini can't run most of what Tiger offers, additionally Core Image (last I heard the GPU doesn't support), Also there is talk that this upgrade will be more RAM-hungry (mini is RAM-challenged)