NBC: OBAMA WINS

Live forum: http://forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=77733

h3x

04-11-2008 20:14:51

Projections put Democrat over 270 electoral votes, making him nation's first African-American president

http//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27531033/

[b30d3117437]Obama[/color30d3117437][/b30d3117437] [b30d3117437]333[/b30d3117437] - McCain[/color30d3117437] 146

TFOAF

04-11-2008 20:20:10

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EatChex89

04-11-2008 20:21:09

Yep Obama wins, and McCain is conceding as I write this.

DRay9911

04-11-2008 20:29:54

palin is pissed. she looks like she's going to push mccain over the edge of the podium.

-dan

TFOAF

04-11-2008 20:30:56

[quotec914bedbd1="DRay9911"]palin is pissed. she looks like she's going to push mccain over the edge of the podium.

-dan[/quotec914bedbd1]
it's okay. she can take care of her pregnant daughters.

x323smostwantedx

04-11-2008 20:35:50

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ajasax

04-11-2008 21:32:12

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x323smostwantedx

04-11-2008 21:35:42

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YourGiftsFree

04-11-2008 21:47:59

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Tonight was a historic night, I will always remember this night )

TravMan162

04-11-2008 21:55:58

yeah historically bad

theysayjump

04-11-2008 21:57:21

FUCK YEAH!

x323smostwantedx

04-11-2008 22:16:15

[quote5491a60a58="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quote5491a60a58]
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Berky34

04-11-2008 22:45:08

[quoteea70212c8f="theysayjump"]FUCK YEAH![/quoteea70212c8f]
seconded!

theysayjump

04-11-2008 23:28:45

[quote5ffb808dcc="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quote5ffb808dcc]

So let's make a bet.

In four years, if you, me and FiPG are still around and Obama has fucked up the country, I'll pay you $100.

If he has not fucked up the country and it happens to be better/getting better, then you have to eat $100 of your own money.

ilanbg

05-11-2008 01:25:38

D.C.

Best place in the world to be tonight. My god.

YourGiftsFree

05-11-2008 04:04:02

I did vote for McCain. Still is a historic night.

Lets let the event unfold first and see what happens..

DRay9911

05-11-2008 04:05:03

the victory speech last night was very cool last night. i was able to find a rough draft on the internet, looks like he edited part of the national security portion

[quote04eb168f46]
To those who would tear the world down, we will defeat you
To those who seek peace and security, we support you
For those about to rock, we salute you[/quote04eb168f46]

-dan

bballp6699

05-11-2008 06:12:13

I thought they focused too much on the African American part. The campaign was run on change, but the only change CNN was focusing on was that he was black.

Jesse Jackson crying made me want to punch people...

DRay9911

05-11-2008 06:54:42

i snickered when i saw jesse crying last night too, but then i stopped to think about how old he is and everything he has seen in his life.

as someone who isn't african american, i can't imagine how it would feel seeing an african american in the most powerful position in the world.

jesse has been a troublemaker and a pot-stirrer over the years, but i'll give him a pass on this one.

-dan

Powerbook

05-11-2008 07:00:37

[quotef6715b3682="bballp6699"]I thought they focused too much on the African American part. The campaign was run on change, but the only change CNN was focusing on was that he was black.

Jesse Jackson crying made me want to punch people...[/quotef6715b3682]

Yup, I noticed that also. I wasn't a big fan of the portrayal.

TravMan162

05-11-2008 07:33:20

[quote6b4ee4fc0e="theysayjump"][quote6b4ee4fc0e="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quote6b4ee4fc0e]

So let's make a bet.

In four years, if you, me and FiPG are still around and Obama has fucked up the country, I'll pay you $100.

If he has not fucked up the country and it happens to be better/getting better, then you have to eat $100 of your own money.[/quote6b4ee4fc0e]

i would love to make that bet. Besides, it won't be $100 of my money, it will be $100 of some rich guy's money who was forced to give it to me.

DRay9911

05-11-2008 08:09:31

i guess a guatamalan village will receive boxes and boxes of 2008 president mccain t-shirts

-dan

Powerbook

05-11-2008 08:33:07

[quotee2d9d96d1f="TravMan162"][quotee2d9d96d1f="theysayjump"][quotee2d9d96d1f="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quotee2d9d96d1f]

So let's make a bet.

In four years, if you, me and FiPG are still around and Obama has fucked up the country, I'll pay you $100.

If he has not fucked up the country and it happens to be better/getting better, then you have to eat $100 of your own money.[/quotee2d9d96d1f]

i would love to make that bet. Besides, it won't be $100 of my money, it will be $100 of some rich guy's money who was forced to give it to me.[/quotee2d9d96d1f]

Haha, God forbid they pay the same taxes they once used to pay. This is not wealth redistribution. Take it easy man. Have fun losing $100. On a side note, I highly respect John McCain. He gave a gracious speech. In a way I feel for him. I hope he continues to do a great job in Arizona.

mookieb2

05-11-2008 09:09:59

I would like John to fade away into the abyss and not be heard from again.

At least we now have a chance to rebuild the conservative aspect of the party.

Congratz to all you Obama supporters, may God have mercy on us. lol

ajasax

05-11-2008 09:36:04

[quotea6010236ab="bballp6699"]I thought they focused too much on the African American part. The campaign was run on change, but the only change CNN was focusing on was that he was black.

Jesse Jackson crying made me want to punch people...[/quotea6010236ab]
Also noticed that. Obama's speech too, had a little too much "blacks empowered"-type rhetoric. The fact that they kept showing Oprah made me want to vomit.

EatChex89

05-11-2008 11:18:55

In other news

Michael Crichton died yesterday of cancer. If you don't know who he is, he was the one that wrote Jurassic Park and other famous novels. He was 66. Really sad because he was one of my favourite authors. Now I have nothing to look forward to.

Iloveipods2

05-11-2008 11:57:17

[quote3698d44b34="ajasax"][quote3698d44b34="bballp6699"]I thought they focused too much on the African American part. The campaign was run on change, but the only change CNN was focusing on was that he was black.

Jesse Jackson crying made me want to punch people...[/quote3698d44b34]
Also noticed that. Obama's speech too, had a little too much "blacks empowered"-type rhetoric. The fact that they kept showing Oprah made me want to vomit.[/quote3698d44b34]

I concur. minus the vomiting part. The media is overplaying the race card. I'm a little worried about his economic policies after I read about it on his website. But, alas, only time will tell.

box86rowh

05-11-2008 13:29:01

[quote6d743802f6="Powerbook"][quote6d743802f6="TravMan162"][quote6d743802f6="theysayjump"][quote6d743802f6="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quote6d743802f6]

So let's make a bet.

In four years, if you, me and FiPG are still around and Obama has fucked up the country, I'll pay you $100.

If he has not fucked up the country and it happens to be better/getting better, then you have to eat $100 of your own money.[/quote6d743802f6]

i would love to make that bet. Besides, it won't be $100 of my money, it will be $100 of some rich guy's money who was forced to give it to me.[/quote6d743802f6]

Haha, God forbid they pay the same taxes they once used to pay. This is not wealth redistribution. Take it easy man. Have fun losing $100. On a side note, I highly respect John McCain. He gave a gracious speech. In a way I feel for him. I hope he continues to do a great job in Arizona.[/quote6d743802f6]
He meant the part where Obama says that 95% of the country will get a tax cut....but that is impossible to do since 95% of the country does not pay income taxes. So if he keeps his promise to give tax cuts to people who do not pay taxes, he is in fact taking money from people who pay taxes to give them...

box86rowh

05-11-2008 13:32:28

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[img="af2c11ebe3]http//www.american.com/graphics/2007/november/RIch%20Pay%20More%20Under%20Bush%20Tax%20Cut.jpg[" alt=""/imgaf2c11ebe3]
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Powerbook

05-11-2008 13:32:37

[quotedfc502c5a8="box86rowh"][quotedfc502c5a8="Powerbook"][quotedfc502c5a8="TravMan162"][quotedfc502c5a8="theysayjump"][quotedfc502c5a8="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quotedfc502c5a8]

So let's make a bet.

In four years, if you, me and FiPG are still around and Obama has fucked up the country, I'll pay you $100.

If he has not fucked up the country and it happens to be better/getting better, then you have to eat $100 of your own money.[/quotedfc502c5a8]

i would love to make that bet. Besides, it won't be $100 of my money, it will be $100 of some rich guy's money who was forced to give it to me.[/quotedfc502c5a8]

Haha, God forbid they pay the same taxes they once used to pay. This is not wealth redistribution. Take it easy man. Have fun losing $100. On a side note, I highly respect John McCain. He gave a gracious speech. In a way I feel for him. I hope he continues to do a great job in Arizona.[/quotedfc502c5a8]
He meant the part where Obama says that 95% of the country will get a tax cut....but that is impossible to do since 95% of the country does not pay income taxes. So if he keeps his promise to give tax cuts to people who do not pay taxes, he is in fact taking money from people who pay taxes to give them...[/quotedfc502c5a8]


Haha still bitter and still twisting the truth I see. Just accept what happened. I wasn't thrilled when Bush was elected, but I accepted it.

box86rowh

05-11-2008 13:35:44

[quotebaa37fdfb8="Powerbook"][quotebaa37fdfb8="box86rowh"][quotebaa37fdfb8="Powerbook"][quotebaa37fdfb8="TravMan162"][quotebaa37fdfb8="theysayjump"][quotebaa37fdfb8="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quotebaa37fdfb8]

So let's make a bet.

In four years, if you, me and FiPG are still around and Obama has fucked up the country, I'll pay you $100.

If he has not fucked up the country and it happens to be better/getting better, then you have to eat $100 of your own money.[/quotebaa37fdfb8]

i would love to make that bet. Besides, it won't be $100 of my money, it will be $100 of some rich guy's money who was forced to give it to me.[/quotebaa37fdfb8]

Haha, God forbid they pay the same taxes they once used to pay. This is not wealth redistribution. Take it easy man. Have fun losing $100. On a side note, I highly respect John McCain. He gave a gracious speech. In a way I feel for him. I hope he continues to do a great job in Arizona.[/quotebaa37fdfb8]
He meant the part where Obama says that 95% of the country will get a tax cut....but that is impossible to do since 95% of the country does not pay income taxes. So if he keeps his promise to give tax cuts to people who do not pay taxes, he is in fact taking money from people who pay taxes to give them...[/quotebaa37fdfb8]


Haha still bitter and still twisting the truth I see. Just accept what happened. I wasn't thrilled when Bush was elected, but I accepted it.[/quotebaa37fdfb8]
The graphs above tell the story....and they are from the IRS and the Department Of The Treasury so they are not twisted..

Powerbook

05-11-2008 13:41:37

[quoteb2ecb8f0fd="box86rowh"][quoteb2ecb8f0fd="Powerbook"][quoteb2ecb8f0fd="box86rowh"][quoteb2ecb8f0fd="Powerbook"][quoteb2ecb8f0fd="TravMan162"][quoteb2ecb8f0fd="theysayjump"][quoteb2ecb8f0fd="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quoteb2ecb8f0fd]

So let's make a bet.

In four years, if you, me and FiPG are still around and Obama has fucked up the country, I'll pay you $100.

If he has not fucked up the country and it happens to be better/getting better, then you have to eat $100 of your own money.[/quoteb2ecb8f0fd]

i would love to make that bet. Besides, it won't be $100 of my money, it will be $100 of some rich guy's money who was forced to give it to me.[/quoteb2ecb8f0fd]

Haha, God forbid they pay the same taxes they once used to pay. This is not wealth redistribution. Take it easy man. Have fun losing $100. On a side note, I highly respect John McCain. He gave a gracious speech. In a way I feel for him. I hope he continues to do a great job in Arizona.[/quoteb2ecb8f0fd]
He meant the part where Obama says that 95% of the country will get a tax cut....but that is impossible to do since 95% of the country does not pay income taxes. So if he keeps his promise to give tax cuts to people who do not pay taxes, he is in fact taking money from people who pay taxes to give them...[/quoteb2ecb8f0fd]


Haha still bitter and still twisting the truth I see. Just accept what happened. I wasn't thrilled when Bush was elected, but I accepted it.[/quoteb2ecb8f0fd]
The graphs above tell the story....and they are from the IRS and the Department Of The Treasury so they are not twisted..[/quoteb2ecb8f0fd]

This should be in some political debate thread other than here. I am glad you know how to use charts to prove a point, great job. Too bad there are other ways to see this as well as two sides to the story. I'm done with this. It is clear we have different ideologies and that we will never agree on the topic of Taxes. Let's agree to disagree.

phriq

06-11-2008 06:25:27

[quote1549db1a4b="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quote1549db1a4b]

This night I will always remember as well as the night I officially lost faith in the American public... Historically bad is right. This night officially shows Americas ignorance and stupidity and proves that charisma and fundraising (with a little bit of diversity) can go way beyond the line of issues and morrality.

Wow, in re-reading, this sounds harsh....

Powerbook

06-11-2008 06:35:49

[quotebe88239b44="phriq"][quotebe88239b44="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quotebe88239b44]

This night I will always remember as well as the night I officially lost faith in the American public... Historically bad is right. This night officially shows Americas ignorance and stupidity and proves that charisma and fundraising (with a little bit of diversity) can go way beyond the line of issues and morrality.

Wow, in re-reading, this sounds harsh....[/quotebe88239b44]

I'm glad more of America begs to disagree with you. America voted based on issues. They felt McCain was more of the same. If McCain won, I would not be complaining as much as you guys. We have to unite as Americans now after this is over.

phriq

06-11-2008 06:50:35

[quote7bcbcd1350="Powerbook"][quote7bcbcd1350="phriq"][quote7bcbcd1350="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quote7bcbcd1350]

This night I will always remember as well as the night I officially lost faith in the American public... Historically bad is right. This night officially shows Americas ignorance and stupidity and proves that charisma and fundraising (with a little bit of diversity) can go way beyond the line of issues and morrality.

Wow, in re-reading, this sounds harsh....[/quote7bcbcd1350]

I'm glad more of America begs to disagree with you. America voted based on issues. They felt McCain was more of the same. If McCain won, I would not be complaining as much as you guys. We have to unite as Americans now after this is over.[/quote7bcbcd1350]

I admit that America needs to unite. However, I do believe america thought this was a landslide election. But off of the popular vote, it was extremely close. None the less, America does need to Unite. However, many Americans are saying that they would not be complaining nearly as much as us, however, they were complaining the entire time Bush was in office. Its not that they want to unite, but its that they want to Unite under 'Their' leadership.

TryinToGetPaid

06-11-2008 07:21:56

Obama is winner winner chicken dinner.

See what I did there? Genius.

theysayjump

06-11-2008 09:04:02

[quote387d328bdd="phriq"][quote387d328bdd="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quote387d328bdd]

This night I will always remember as well as the night I officially lost faith in the American public... Historically bad is right. This night officially shows Americas ignorance and stupidity and proves that charisma and fundraising (with a little bit of diversity) can go way beyond the line of issues and morrality.

Wow, in re-reading, this sounds harsh....[/quote387d328bdd]

Any particular reason WHY this was a historically bad night, or is it just because your guy didn't win?

tylerc

06-11-2008 09:58:34

[quote84b968a669="Powerbook"][quote84b968a669="phriq"][quote84b968a669="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quote84b968a669]

This night I will always remember as well as the night I officially lost faith in the American public... Historically bad is right. This night officially shows Americas ignorance and stupidity and proves that charisma and fundraising (with a little bit of diversity) can go way beyond the line of issues and morrality.

Wow, in re-reading, this sounds harsh....[/quote84b968a669]

I'm glad more of America begs to disagree with you. America voted based on issues. They felt McCain was more of the same. If McCain won, I would not be complaining as much as you guys. We have to unite as Americans now after this is over.[/quote84b968a669]

Yeah, people voting for Obama DEFINITELY voted on the issues..trying watching this video

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

Real educated voters voting for Obama.

doylnea

06-11-2008 10:12:36

Did you really just cite a Howard Stern radio interview where Sal, a Stern shill just went out and interviewed random people on the street, and then only broadcast the people who made stupid or ignorant comments as representative of the entire population? I might argue that Sal, Stern, or his producers might have picked the stupid people to air on the show because it makes for good radio, but I support Obama, so that probably makes me ignorant too, right?

ilanbg

06-11-2008 10:26:22

Shut up doylnea, you don't even know what abortion is.

Powerbook

06-11-2008 10:29:39

TylerC your arguments are completely horrible. I can point you to a lot videos where people voted for McCain just because they think Obama is a Muslim. Youtube videos aren't going to prove anything.

h3x

06-11-2008 10:44:27

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box86rowh

06-11-2008 11:55:11

[quote58a81c58b0="ilanbg"]Shut up doylnea, you don't even know what abortion is.[/quote58a81c58b0]
Isn't that a form of garlic gardening??

DRay9911

06-11-2008 12:05:01

if anybody wants to check out the editorial cartoons or front pages from different newspapers, they can go here

http//cagle.com/news/ObamaWins08/main.asp
(they aren't all pro-obama)

http//www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default.asp

-dan

phriq

06-11-2008 12:31:03

[quotedb94b881c7="DRay9911"]if anybody wants to check out the editorial cartoons or front pages from different newspapers, they can go here

http//cagle.com/news/ObamaWins08/main.asp
(they aren't all pro-obama)

http//www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default.asp

-dan[/quotedb94b881c7]

Of course they are all pro-Obama, how many fair and unbiased news forums have you ever seen that are not extremely libral and biased toward the democratic side.... Fox News is about one of the only that I can think of....

DRay9911

06-11-2008 12:42:11

i said they AREN'T all pro-obama, at least go through the cartoons before you start in.

and your statement is not worded correctly...you try and make the connection between fair & unbiased news forums that aren't liberal/democratic, and fox is anything but fair and unbiased regardless of what they say.

i understand what you're trying to say, but i'll just chalk it up to you being in a huff over the election.

-dan

phriq

06-11-2008 12:44:32

[quote994b995e16="DRay9911"]i said they AREN'T all pro-obama, at least go through the cartoons before you start in.

and your statement is not worded correctly...you try and make the connection between fair & unbiased news forums that aren't liberal/democratic, and fox is anything but fair and unbiased regardless of what they say.

i understand what you're trying to say, but i'll just chalk it up to you being in a huff over the election.

-dan[/quote994b995e16]

I'll admit that I still am in some of that frustration over the election.. so much information and opinions and I'm not sorting them out enough before typing... my bad.

theysayjump

06-11-2008 22:06:35

[quotee3ba390d0a="tylerc"]Yeah, people voting for Obama DEFINITELY voted on the issues..trying watching this video

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

Real educated voters voting for Obama.[/quotee3ba390d0a]

I'll be equally as ignorant and say all of these guys voted for McCain

http//www.liveleak.com/view?i=cdc_1190673155

Oh, and phriq

[quotee3ba390d0a="theysayjump"][quotee3ba390d0a="phriq"][quotee3ba390d0a="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quotee3ba390d0a]

This night I will always remember as well as the night I officially lost faith in the American public... Historically bad is right. This night officially shows Americas ignorance and stupidity and proves that charisma and fundraising (with a little bit of diversity) can go way beyond the line of issues and morrality.

Wow, in re-reading, this sounds harsh....[/quotee3ba390d0a]

Any particular reason WHY this was a historically bad night, or is it just because your guy didn't win?[/quotee3ba390d0a]

zr2152

06-11-2008 22:56:45

Although I voted for McCain, people need to stop being so ignorant and give Obama a chance to run this country and not jump on his ass before he is even sworn into office.

Get real. He is our president and won the election by a landslide. Give this man a chance to run the country and then bitch about whatever.

dmorris68

07-11-2008 05:43:52

[quotedd7c62ab4a="zr2152"]Although I voted for McCain, people need to stop being so ignorant and give Obama a chance to run this country and not jump on his ass before he is even sworn into office.

Get real. He is our president and won the election by a landslide. Give this man a chance to run the country and then bitch about whatever.[/quotedd7c62ab4a]
I agree, although let's be clear about something I keep hearing the term "landslide" bandied about, but that term only applies to the electoral votes. The popular vote (which I agree should be the determinate in any election) was 52% to 46% last I heard. The 6-point difference was less than the polling predictions going into the election. So barely more than half the voters voted for Obama, and nearly half voted for McCain. Just as with Bush's victories in 2000 and 2004, that's hardly a huge mandate by the American people. It was pretty damn close when you consider how Obama was being portrayed as an overwhelming favorite. McCain supporters need to face the reality of losing, but Obama supporters also need to face the reality that their candidate was hardly a unanimous favorite.

That said, I do admire a lot about Obama and am (a) thankful for this 2 years of election BS being finally over with for awhile, and (b) cautiously excited to see some changes occur.

Ask me again in 24-36 months how I feel...

Powerbook

07-11-2008 06:57:18

[quotec26e6294c6="dmorris68"][quotec26e6294c6="zr2152"]Although I voted for McCain, people need to stop being so ignorant and give Obama a chance to run this country and not jump on his ass before he is even sworn into office.

Get real. He is our president and won the election by a landslide. Give this man a chance to run the country and then bitch about whatever.[/quotec26e6294c6]
I agree, although let's be clear about something I keep hearing the term "landslide" bandied about, but that term only applies to the electoral votes. The popular vote (which I agree should be the determinate in any election) was 52% to 46% last I heard. The 6-point difference was less than the polling predictions going into the election. So barely more than half the voters voted for Obama, and nearly half voted for McCain. Just as with Bush's victories in 2000 and 2004, that's hardly a huge mandate by the American people. It was pretty damn close when you consider how Obama was being portrayed as an overwhelming favorite. McCain supporters need to face the reality of losing, but Obama supporters also need to face the reality that their candidate was hardly a unanimous favorite.

That said, I do admire a lot about Obama and am (a) thankful for this 2 years of election BS being finally over with for awhile, and (b) cautiously excited to see some changes occur.

Ask me again in 24-36 months how I feel...[/quotec26e6294c6]

Actually it was 7%, and the polls were spot on the week before election. 7% of the popular vote is a pretty solid victory in a national election. We were actually checking the validity of the polls in my Statistics class the last month. The funny thing is Fox News actually has a higher than expected percentage for Obama compared to the other networks hah.

Dmorris and Zr are right. We need to stand behind president-elect Obama. I stood by Bush when he was first elected, until he started really screwing up. You cannot say it was a historically bad night when the night meant so much to many people across the world regardless of race. Regardless who you supported you should feel a great deal of American pride about the whole process. Record turn outs have indicated that Americans felt very passionate about this elections, and they have spoken. We should also all respect McCain for his fight in this election, and his gracious concession speech.

phriq

07-11-2008 07:28:42

[quote0101bd1fec="theysayjump"][quote0101bd1fec="tylerc"]Yeah, people voting for Obama DEFINITELY voted on the issues..trying watching this video

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

Real educated voters voting for Obama.[/quote0101bd1fec]

I'll be equally as ignorant and say all of these guys voted for McCain

http//www.liveleak.com/view?i=cdc_1190673155

Oh, and phriq

[quote0101bd1fec="theysayjump"][quote0101bd1fec="phriq"][quote0101bd1fec="TravMan162"]yeah historically bad[/quote0101bd1fec]

This night I will always remember as well as the night I officially lost faith in the American public... Historically bad is right. This night officially shows Americas ignorance and stupidity and proves that charisma and fundraising (with a little bit of diversity) can go way beyond the line of issues and morrality.

Wow, in re-reading, this sounds harsh....[/quote0101bd1fec]

Any particular reason WHY this was a historically bad night, or is it just because your guy didn't win?[/quote0101bd1fec][/quote0101bd1fec]

All of those people probably did vote McCain, However, The videos cannot even be compared. The Sal in Harlem video (though I do take it with a grain of salt since its Howard Stren) Is asking Obama Supporters about the biggest and most obvious issues of Obama and they could not recognize them or even the VP pick.

On the other hand, Though it's complete discrimination to think to have muslims carry ID's, that discrimination comes with a deep rooted fear that many Americans carry with them. America put Japanses citizens into internment camps during WWII. Again, I believe that was not right and it goes to show why we did not do the smae with 9/11. However, at the same time it shows the ignorance and descisions that can go into play based off of that fear. Sure not all Muslims are bad, some could be the nicest people ever. However, truth is is that many want America dead, and because of this, America will fear that population. So comparing ignorance based off of fear and ignorance based off of pure ignorance, i dont believe can be considered a fair comparison.

And I will agree, It may be eary to claim that night Historically bad. And that I should not have agreed with that. However, My gut tells me it will be. This is based off of the thought that I believe a majority of Obama supporters did not vote based off issues, but off of promises to get more for less. I believe America has a severe issue with thinking "we deserve". Obama's distribution of the wealth is exactly that.

More so than even that, however, I believe this marks the time perioud when partial birth abortion, gay marriage, and a large amount of hate crime laws are going to come into the mix. Coming from a Christian background, I believe that these are sins. Sure, I dont hate homosexuals and i will not hate them, but at the same time i do not agree with their lifestyle and will not want it tollerated in my country.

As for the hate crimes statement. In canada, it is illegal to say that homosexuality is a sin. It is considered a hate crime. however, by protecting homosexuals by putting that law into effect, you in turn are discriminating against christians who have had beliefs long before this country was in place. You lose freedom of speech.

I know it's possible that this stuff may not happen. However, with a democratic president and democratic control of the senate, I fear that these will come into play. In turn i fear for our country and believe that night may be a historically bad night.

good2speed

09-11-2008 14:37:45

Lol at everyone's fears. I honestly feel bad for those scared of change. If there is one thing I'm certain of is there's no way he can be worse then Bush. Evidence 1A. he can complete whole sentences.

TravMan162

09-11-2008 14:51:21

And I feel bad for everyone who used "change" as their sole purpose for voting.

good2speed

09-11-2008 15:08:22

[quote7260814632="TravMan162"]And I feel bad for everyone who used "change" as their sole purpose for voting.[/quote7260814632]

Ya I suppose change isn't needed. Economic crisis, 2 wars with no results, and unemployment at it's highest levels in years meant we should stick with the status quo. Surely Bush was spot on.

The truth is the republican party is so weak right now your best candidates are a 70+ year old guy, a not so well educated diva governor of Alaska and now you are even recruiting Indian guys. Bobby Jindal from Louisiana is rising up the ranking for likely GOP candidates for 2012.

Change isn't needed. Thats why the republicans are trying to broaden their base by recruiting women and Indians now.

Well either way as people have said you might as well accept your new president if you like it or not.

TravMan162

09-11-2008 15:45:37

[quote345334b052="good2speed"][quote345334b052="TravMan162"]And I feel bad for everyone who used "change" as their sole purpose for voting.[/quote345334b052]

Ya I suppose change isn't needed. [/quote345334b052]

Yeah and I suppose someone telling you "change is coming" is enough for you to believe we're all going to be saved.


[quote345334b052="good2speed"]
The truth is the republican party is so weak right now your best candidates are a 70+ year old guy, a not so well educated diva governor of Alaska and now you are even recruiting Indian guys. Bobby Jindal from Louisiana is rising up the ranking for likely GOP candidates for 2012.

Change isn't needed. Thats why the republicans are trying to broaden their base by recruiting women and Indians now.
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Let me get this straight, the republican party is weak because we have a 70 year old man, a woman and an indian guy. Not only is that racist AND sexist, but you jackass, who the fuck are Biden, Clinton and Obama? A 70 year old man, a woman and an Arab!

What the fuck? Are you serious with this????

Who cares if you're Indian, white, female, old, black, male, whatever. We need good ideas now to get us out of this. Not people that think Indians are inferior.

Powerbook

09-11-2008 16:01:47

[quote3f0c371369="TravMan162"][quote3f0c371369="good2speed"][quote3f0c371369="TravMan162"]And I feel bad for everyone who used "change" as their sole purpose for voting.[/quote3f0c371369]

Ya I suppose change isn't needed. [/quote3f0c371369]

Yeah and I suppose someone telling you "change is coming" is enough for you to believe we're all going to be saved.


[quote3f0c371369="good2speed"]
The truth is the republican party is so weak right now your best candidates are a 70+ year old guy, a not so well educated diva governor of Alaska and now you are even recruiting Indian guys. Bobby Jindal from Louisiana is rising up the ranking for likely GOP candidates for 2012.

Change isn't needed. Thats why the republicans are trying to broaden their base by recruiting women and Indians now.
[/quote3f0c371369]
Let me get this straight, the republican party is weak because we have a 70 year old man, a woman and an indian guy. Not only is that racist AND sexist, but you jackass, who the fuck are Biden, Clinton and Obama? A 70 year old man, a woman and an Arab!

What the fuck? Are you serious with this????

Who cares if you're Indian, white, female, old, black, male, whatever. We need good ideas now to get us out of this. Not people that think Indians are inferior.[/quote3f0c371369]

Great way of proving a point by calling Obama an Arab. I guess you are the educated voter in this situation. At least bball knows that jindal is Indian. I see Jindal as being one of the next leaders.

bballp6699

09-11-2008 16:34:34

[quote104573ddbe="Powerbook"]At least bball knows that jindal is Indian. I see Jindal as being one of the next leaders.[/quote104573ddbe]

I know what?

Veek

09-11-2008 16:48:46

shock

Powerbook

09-11-2008 17:13:33

[quote044bddc755="bballp6699"][quote044bddc755="Powerbook"]At least bball knows that jindal is Indian. I see Jindal as being one of the next leaders.[/quote044bddc755]

I know what?[/quote044bddc755]

"The truth is the republican party is so weak right now your best candidates are a 70+ year old guy, a not so well educated diva governor of Alaska and now you are even recruiting Indian guys. Bobby Jindal from Louisiana is rising up the ranking for likely GOP candidates for 2012. "

I don't see you as being ignorant for making that statement. Trav jumped at the chance to call Obama an Arab though. Hmm let's see who the Democrats have? An experienced politician on foreign policy, the first African American president who has happened to inspire a lot of people, and Hillary Clinton who happened to make a great run for the presidency. I like Jindal on the Republican side though. I found it honorably that he chose to stay in Louisiana during a time of need rather than going to the Republican National Convention.

Also, I am pretty sure bball wasn't trying to be racist or ignorant, but he did make it sound as if turning to Jindal just because he is Indian is a bad thing..... I know politics is a heated discussion guys, but cut the crap guys. You can't get angry or irritated over every little thing.

bballp6699

09-11-2008 17:24:45

[quote3b98218e36="Powerbook"]
Also, I am pretty sure bball wasn't trying to be racist or ignorant, but he did make it sound as if turning to Jindal just because he is Indian is a bad thing..... I know politics is a heated discussion guys, but cut the crap guys. You can't get angry or irritated over every little thing.[/quote3b98218e36]

How'd I get brought into this?

hehehhehe

09-11-2008 17:49:45

[quote3b94684770="bballp6699"][quote3b94684770="Powerbook"]
Also, I am pretty sure bball wasn't trying to be racist or ignorant, but he did make it sound as if turning to Jindal just because he is Indian is a bad thing..... I know politics is a heated discussion guys, but cut the crap guys. You can't get angry or irritated over every little thing.[/quote3b94684770]

How'd I get brought into this?[/quote3b94684770]
lol powerbook seems to think you're good2speed.

theysayjump

09-11-2008 18:47:59

bball you ignorant prick. Take your racism elsewhere.

bballp6699

09-11-2008 19:08:20

But I want to be racist here... (

Powerbook

09-11-2008 19:31:05

Haha my bad, I meant good2speed. I still love all of you anyways.

TravMan162

09-11-2008 20:10:25

I wasn't angry or irritated. I was confused as to his argument over the demographics of the republican party when those of the democratic party are just as diverse.

good2speed

10-11-2008 00:53:42

[quote93608cb947="TravMan162"][quote93608cb947="good2speed"][quote93608cb947="TravMan162"]And I feel bad for everyone who used "change" as their sole purpose for voting.[/quote93608cb947]

Ya I suppose change isn't needed. [/quote93608cb947]

Yeah and I suppose someone telling you "change is coming" is enough for you to believe we're all going to be saved.

[/quote93608cb947]

Call me crazy but i believe in Obama. FWIW I didnt believe a word Bush had to say and he turned out to be a liar.

and to specifically respond to your reply... All politicans run on a promise, correct? A politican doesn't really have power until he wins and takes office, correct? So basically everyone who has ever won an election has won because he promised to do things the other guy/girl won't. Why is it when a black guy wins, or in your case an arab, his supporters were ignorant in believing his campaign promises. So basically what you're saying is that anyone who has voted for a winner is ignorant because he believed in his campaign prmoises. I suppose in your imaginary world we should just not even listen to the candidates speak or debate, since they must be lying anyways. We should just show up at the polls and say we voted because we thought one guy has a cooler name and that we weren't influenced by campaign promises.

And the point about Jindal being Indian wasn't too put down Indians. I'm Indian myself and proud of it. I just find it pathetic the GOP is reaching out to ethnicities they would have never given the time to speak to. The GOP would need Mahtma Ghandi to garner enough Indian votes to mae a difference. Jindal doesn't evenhave popular support even amongst Indian-Americans. It's just funny to see the GOp reaching. Teddy Roosevelt is rolling over in his grave.