An idea to help the trading suffering dilemma.

First off, I just want to say that I'm not trying to be a moderator here or anything, I'm just offering a suggestion that could help the trading situation out a little bit.

I've noticed lately a lot of talk about "trading being dead" and the fact that the freebie market is completely flooded and everything... It's true, I mean, you look in the Trading Forum and things are completely absurd. 90% on a TRAINN? That seems to be a sad state of affairs. However, during my browsing of the Trading Forum, I also noticed how many people with 0 TR are offering cash for Referrals.

Since the trading scene has become so dire, at what point do we thin out the numbers in an attempt to restore some value to the game?

I suggest that a Minimum TR rule get applied for paying for Referrals that will disable you from paying for referrals until you reach a certain TR. We all know the greening scene can be a nightmare, but I also believe that you should, how do i put this, "pay your dues here" as well. If you talk to Sandra Habina, Margot, or CBarry, you will see that I have been through hell and back to green for these people, with the lack of crediting offers, MCR rejections, extra offers I need to complete, etc, etc.

I think that everyone who is going to pay for referrals should also have to play that aspect of the game too. It seems unfair that they just come in here, don't really know what's going on and immediately flood the market by trying to pay for referrals. Greening involves a learning process on how offers work, how to do them correctly, how to get credit for them and how to maintain a green, and I think everyone should have to start off GETTING paid to green and learning how to do it before they are allowed to blindly PAY for a green themselves.

I also believe this will cut down on scammers. I mean, look at the recent sign ups, there are tons of bans. If people know that they are going to have to do some grunt work before they can hire grunts, they may be less prone to come here and scam us all.

Part of the freebie scene is knowing how the process works, and it looks like we're getting flooded with the newbies immediately paying for refs. Perhaps you could say anything less than 10 or 15 TR can not pay for refs. I'm only at 18 or 19 or something but dear lord I can tell you I paid my dues with these offers, so maybe 10-12 would do the trick to cut down on the ridiculousness of the trading forum a bit... who knows, maybe this is just another one of my jackassey posts, but I'm interested to see if anyone feels the same or not...

wont work, ppl will just pay for refs through pm's. Good idea though. The mods have thought of everything.

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I loved it.

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Also won't work because it will just send new members to other forums like A4F.

is that such a bad thing? i mean if they aren't planning on greening for us anyway, does it really matter if they go to other sites or not?

I feel the same way Travis - at least a TR of 4+ because I feel it would help them learn more and cut down on scammers.

There is a guideline that states you should not trade with 0 TR with another low TR because you will not receive TR for it but I wish it could be a rule - NO working sites unless you have TR 5+ or so.

You are absolutely right - traders need to learn the ropes before jumping in so fast.

I guess some would trade thru PM's but not all newbies would do that.

Just not sure how mods could enforce it. But it is a good idea.

Travman, It's no so 'jackassey' but for a Giants fan pretty good.
I totally agree with you and Sandra. This has gotten ridiculously absurd!
"pay your dues and feel the screws"
Barry

Anybody want to trade.

I'm paying 99% on payouts from Train sites and will beat anyone else.

[quote30b010d8d7="TravMan162"]is that such a bad thing? i mean if they aren't planning on greening for us anyway, does it really matter if they go to other sites or not?[/quote30b010d8d7]

Hey, if we drive away [i30b010d8d7]all[/i30b010d8d7] our members, we won't have [i30b010d8d7]any[/i30b010d8d7] problems with trading!

Great idea.

you seem to have missed the point. newbies that come in and have no intention of doing what the rest of us did and green for people, are just taking refs from you and making your page in the trade forum get bumped down to the third page in about 45 seconds. they're flooding an already flooded market and not doing their part to balance things out.

but hey bashing me will solve all the problems too D

Trust me, we have thought of everything possible. It just isnt going to work at the moment.

[quoteea49b032ee="TravMan162"]but hey bashing me will solve all the problems too D[/quoteea49b032ee]

It's just as effective and it's more fun.

I like the idea (just from a standpoint of cutting out some of the riff raff, not "paying your dues" so to speak), but like everyone else has said, it just can't be enforced. Some traders (like myself) are only part time here but have a good TR elsewhere.

I also don't think it will cut down on the scammers all that much - lots of people are coming in and doing Trainn sites behind false info and proxies, most looking for cash. Having a "cut off" won't really help that.

Wow, I loved your idea Travis. Wish they could find a way to make it work!!

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I think that everyone who is going to pay for referrals should also have to play that aspect of the game too. It seems unfair that they just come in here, don't really know what's going on and immediately flood the market by trying to pay for referrals. Greening involves a learning process on how offers work, how to do them correctly, how to get credit for them and how to maintain a green, and I think everyone should have to start off GETTING paid to green and learning how to do it before they are allowed to blindly PAY for a green themselves.[/quotee24559e1a8]

I would agree, but most of the people I see on here with zero TR trying to sell refs are people from other forums. They've already done the greening aspect through other forums and are moving here. They don't want to go back to greening, I'm sure.

As for those who aren't from other forums, I'm not sure how many of them are actually getting sells. Most newbs read the help threads and see the rules on TR, and about trading under +4 TR at your own risk, and they avoid the ones with zero TR(I know I did when I first started.)

Are they even getting sells?

What about traders who have high TR on other forums and now they want to join here? Maybe they are all out of offers to do. Do you just turn them away?

I agree ... Trading here specificly sucks.. I mean I just completed my first trade on flr(which I said I would never do) very qickly.. While my thread got buried here...couldn't hurt to at least try something...if it turns out it doesn't work..well then at least we tried to help improve trading

[bcc2c4acae4][quotecc2c4acae4="Matt_2040"][quotecc2c4acae4="TravMan162"]
I think that everyone who is going to pay for referrals should also have to play that aspect of the game too. It seems unfair that they just come in here, don't really know what's going on and immediately flood the market by trying to pay for referrals. Greening involves a learning process on how offers work, how to do them correctly, how to get credit for them and how to maintain a green, and I think everyone should have to start off GETTING paid to green and learning how to do it before they are allowed to blindly PAY for a green themselves.[/quotecc2c4acae4]

I would agree, but most of the people I see on here with zero TR trying to sell refs are people from other forums. They've already done the greening aspect through other forums and are moving here. They don't want to go back to greening, I'm sure.

As for those who aren't from other forums, I'm not sure how many of them are actually getting sells. Most newbs read the help threads and see the rules on TR, and about trading under +4 TR at your own risk, and they avoid the ones with zero TR(I know I did when I first started.)

Are they even getting sells?[/quotecc2c4acae4]

Ditto!

Granted, trading is not great right now and it's harder to get refs but trying to enforce some sort of policy like that is going to do nothing. I just recently started trading on FLR too and my TR is only 3 over there, but I have "paid my dues" here, so being treated like I was "blindly PAYING for a green myself" would have done nothing but driven me away and left me with a really bad impression. One, that I would have conveyed to others, as well.

What I think is out of control is what some people are paying for greens!! My gosh, I think if we could get that under control then we could actually level the playing field again. I mean, seriously, what good does it do anyone (except the one being paid) to pay 90% to a ref? I certainly would not spend the time on these forums that I do if I made $25 off a $250 payout~give me a break!! Really, what is the point? That has been really bugging me for a long time.

Maybe it's out of desperation or spite~who knows. But, what I do know is that is one of the major reasons we now have this problem.[/bcc2c4acae4][/colorcc2c4acae4][/sizecc2c4acae4]

I actually have just been paying out friends as well as my brothers and thier friends. Have had a great response

I have always liked this idea, and I don't see why it's not worth a try...

Too much talk.

Make bullet points of what you guys want and we'll look into it.