PM spamming (ban information)

We're cracking down on unsolicited/spam PMs, and handed down some bans (we're still thinking about the duration) to the most blatant offenders. In Keith's post[=http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=60880]In Keith's post in the trading post, it can't be any clearer about what kind of PMs can't be sent, and yet, some of you are still sending trade requests and welcome PMs to newly joined members.

Here are the biggest offenders who have been banned
ironious
rsema19
pgilmore
puppeteer
shokesdogg
sandra habina
GreenMachine30

So think twice about sending that unsolicited PM to that new user. We don't care if the new user is in the same state as you, you like their username, you just want to help, etc... You can only PM them once they PM you or once they make a post in the trading post asking you to PM them.

Most of these guys in the list have been around and are experienced enough to know they are circumventing the rules.

[quote12c487f5fd="hehehhehe"]We're cracking down on unsolicited/spam PMs, and handed down some bans (we're still thinking about the duration) to the most blatant offenders. In Keith's post[=http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=60880]In Keith's post in the trading post, it can't be any clearer about what kind of PMs can't be sent, and yet, some of you are still sending trade requests and welcome PMs to newly joined members.

Here are the biggest offenders who have been banned
ironious
rsema19
pgilmore
puppeteer
shokesdogg
sandra habina
GreenMachine30

So think twice about sending that unsolicited PM to that new user. We don't care if the new user is in the same state as you, you like their username, you just want to help, etc... You can only PM them once they PM you or once they make a post in the trading post asking you to PM them.

Most of these guys in the list have been around and are experienced enough to know they are circumventing the rules.[/quote12c487f5fd]

shocked at puppeteer and sandra habina

Haha...where's your karma now...

Ok... I'll go sit in the corner.

shock, Sandra and pupeteer...

Are these permanent?

I don't know if they are, but why shouldn't they be? People blatantly disregarding the rules and causing more work for the mods.

Agreed. After being a mod for another forum, it pisses you the fuck off when rules are posted everywhere (on the the other forum it even tells you to read the rules above the submit button to submit your post) and people still just break the rules.

Good riddance to forum garbage, if you can not respect the rules, the mods, and the administrator, don't fuckin' post....

Man, I vote that Sandra's ban be temp. I don't know the others well enough.

my 2 cents.

With a TR as high as some of theirs they blatenly disregarded the rules, but I believe in second chances.

I wouldn't miss them twisted

[quoteb1340c213f="Twon"]Man, I vote that Sandra's ban be temp. I don't know the others well enough.

my 2 cents.[/quoteb1340c213f]

That's stupid. Forum status should not come into play here. They all deserve equal punishment. If anything, you'd think they'd deserve higher punishment because they should definitely know better.

These are the words of sandra habina
http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=12652

Yes I have sent PMs - with this link with important FIPG information. I DO NOT ASK TO TRADE OR TELL THEM I CAN MAKE THEM LOTS OF MONEY WITH TRADES. I have had so many new traders ask me the same questions over and over that I thought by sending this link it would help them. I tell them it is an important link and if they have any questions or need any help to pm me. I honestly did not think this was spam.
I do not understand how some of you can say such rude remarks, you do not know me or have even taken the time to chat with me. I am not garbage and I do not try to give the moderators more work. I try to help where I can. I post in the forums if I know the answers. And I help so many traders - and I am not even trading with them.
About my karma - that is blatent disrespect - I have earned those points by being nice and helpful - you can read my profile feedback and see this. I try to go out of my way and help traders. Of course I do this to make extra cash but I truly do love meeting and helping new friends. I have helped many more traders than I pissed off by sending them a pm. I am sorry that it is considered spam. I would hope that I can continue to work on the forum just as before but of course no PMs to new traders.
I really do try to help traders succeed and site owners as well. I have worked very hard for my reputation and feedback and I hope that does show my character. I apologize for breaking any rules. And I apologize to any moderators if I have caused them any headaches. This is not my intent at all. I honestly thought I was helping by sending that newbie guide link.
I realize now that I broke the rule and for that I am sorry. I can only hope that my participations in this forum will sway in my favor and persuade the moderators to give me a second chance. Thank you for letting me let someone post this for me.
these are the words of sandra habina

[quotea8136727e3="J4320"][quotea8136727e3="Twon"]Man, I vote that Sandra's ban be temp. I don't know the others well enough.

my 2 cents.[/quotea8136727e3]

That's stupid. Forum status should not come into play here. They all deserve equal punishment. If anything, you'd think they'd deserve higher punishment because they should definitely know better.[/quotea8136727e3]

Actually, if you read what I wrote, I didn't mention anything about forum status. I just like Sandra. But you're probably right as usual. roll

I would like to give my two cents as well. I have come up in the freebie world (exclusively this site for now) very quickly and still going strong. I am here to tell the mods that I would [bf93f9d26aa][if93f9d26aa]NEVER[/if93f9d26aa][/bf93f9d26aa] have done so well with out the [bf93f9d26aa]priceless help[/bf93f9d26aa] of sandra habina. I [uf93f9d26aa]still[/uf93f9d26aa] go to her with questions and concerns. She actively advocates for me and others to site owners for MCRs and whatever other issues she can help with. She is always happy to assist any trader with anything, regardless of the trading potential with that particular trader. She has tried her best to educate me regarding the forum rules and has always demonstrated a profound respect for them. Her advice and guidance have proven [uf93f9d26aa]invaluable[/uf93f9d26aa] to me over the course of my trading experience. I would ask for leniency in her ban and would go as far as to respectfully lobby the mods for a repeal. Her TR and her feedback, coupled with the seniority she has accrued should have, in my opinion, been enough to discourage the mods from banning her to begin with. Thank You, Michael Culton

I believe if they werent asking to trade or anything they shouldnt be banned.

PM spam is super annoying and even happens to me on occasion, even though I rarely engage in trading. Way to go mods!

Ok JOSHBOX. I'll meet you half way. Considering my previous post, would't a warning have been appropriate? You're probably gonna say something like "she knew the rules!". But with such a record behind her, wouldn't it have been safe to assume there had been some sort of misunderstanding or confusion, warranting an investigation and/or a warning? I just think there is no need to crucify her (specially brutally and in public) for such an innocent mistake! It's like killing flies with a shotgun! -mCulton

[quote2eb39a3549="Twon"][quote2eb39a3549="J4320"][quote2eb39a3549="Twon"]Man, I vote that Sandra's ban be temp. I don't know the others well enough.

my 2 cents.[/quote2eb39a3549]

That's stupid. Forum status should not come into play here. They all deserve equal punishment. If anything, you'd think they'd deserve higher punishment because they should definitely know better.[/quote2eb39a3549]

Actually, if you read what I wrote, I didn't mention anything about forum status. I just like Sandra. But you're probably right as usual. roll[/quote2eb39a3549]

Easy there twonny twon twon. You know what I meant when I said forum status. You "like" sandra habina, so she shouldn't be subject to the same punishment as the others? I just don't think it's right to let some off of the hook and keep others banned just because we like her. I think the mods can decide what to finally do with her based on her actions, not how much we like her. Oh, and I hope I'm not coming off as antagonistic toward you, I think you're a cool member and all, but I just don't agree with the way you view this situation.

sandra habina got me started in trading and alot of others. I think her status does mean something because it means something any other time in here. She is an asset to this forum and i believe there is alot of ignorance to this whole situation. She has always gone above and beyond to help me and many countless others in trading. This is apparent by her tr record and her karma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Status means nothing. If a CEO of a company engaged in illegal activities inside of his company, it is still illegal. Rules are rules, follow them like everyone else or pay the consequences.

what she did wasnt against the rules she never asked to trade!

what she did wasnt against the rules she never asked to trade!

So if you were a cop and saw Mother Teresa jaywalking, would you cite her for a traffic violation or let her off with a warning? Just wondering...

if she was in fact jay walking but not when she wasnt

[quotee3095de630="mculton"]So if you were a cop and saw Mother Teresa jaywalking, would you cite her for a traffic violation or let her off with a warning? Just wondering...[/quotee3095de630]

I'd cite her for jaywalking. Is she supposed to be exempt from the rules somehow?

I believe I've made my point clear in this thread. Please refer to my second post to answer that comment. I'm done here.

[quotecb9ece8856="J4320"][quotecb9ece8856="mculton"]So if you were a cop and saw Mother Teresa jaywalking, would you cite her for a traffic violation or let her off with a warning? Just wondering...[/quotecb9ece8856]

I'd cite her for jaywalking. Is she supposed to be exempt from the rules somehow?[/quotecb9ece8856]

Yes, because she's dead.

[quote8c44876bc1="bugs53666"]These are the words of sandra habina
...
these are the words of sandra habina[/quote8c44876bc1]
bugs53666, like I told you before, you were spamming new users too but we let you off because it wasn't as rampant as the others. You really are not in any situation to defend anyone here.

As for what sandra habina said, none of it changes the fact that she PM spammed and none of it excuses it. If we allowed PM spam like the ones she was sending, guess how many traders would be racing to send their welcome PM to every new user, hoping that their help would in turn, lead to a trade? The other spammers were doing the same thing. People were abusing the "helpful welcome PM" and that's why our rules were changed to discourage this behavior.

[quote8c44876bc1="bugs53666"]what she did wasnt against the rules she never asked to trade![/quote8c44876bc1]
You can read the rules in the post I linked to in my first post above.

[quote8c44876bc1="mculton"]So if you were a cop and saw Mother Teresa jaywalking, would you cite her for a traffic violation or let her off with a warning? Just wondering...[/quote8c44876bc1]
You're comparing sandra habina to Mother Teresa, a nobel peace prize winning humanitarian?

The mods and admins are in full support of this decision, and no amount of protest is going to change the decision.

Ok this is seriously ticking me off sending a message willing to help a new user is considered spam what if the user was asking for help . Im not sure what exactly here but the idiots who are acting childish making mean comments about other users has to stop like the idiot about the jaywalking comment how old are you ?

[quote0b9f4c7a14="nbonsu26"]Ok this is seriously ticking me off sending a message willing to help a new user is considered spam what if the user was asking for help . Im not sure what exactly here but the idiots who are acting childish making mean comments about other users has to stop like the idiot about the jaywalking comment how old are you ?[/quote0b9f4c7a14]

If the user ASKED FOR HELP then it's not an UNSOLICITED PM...

[quote20c61786a7="doylnea"]The mods and admins are in full support of this decision, and no amount of protest is going to change the decision.[/quote20c61786a7]

Yeah but.......but, but..... (

Actually, now that I think about it, I remember we added a small clause to the rules that states that anyone sending [i20c61786a7]any[/i20c61786a7] PMs to [i20c61786a7]anyone[/i20c61786a7] whatsoever can be banned for PM spam, so just to keep everyone in line, I suggest we ban anyone replying to this thread, or who has sent a PM in the last........3 weeks?

I doubt the mods are going out and searching through our pms at random, I would assume that the banned users had at LEAST a few complaints about spamming. They know the rules, and if you read the first post fully, you will see that this is more than likely a temporary ban.

puppeteer
Pmed me right away, as soon as I joined... and not only on this forum but on another also!
And is not it funny that people used this post to gain publicity!! Look above for ruthless traders!!!!

Green Monkey

You know... if you you really want my information, you can find it in the Trading Post... WHERE IT BELONGS!!! Not in here

sandra habina
PMed me as soon as I entered tooooooooooo
ruthless

I'm sure sandra is a fine upstanding person, but the rules are clear on sending PM spam, and unsolicited Welcome PM's are [i0c5eed86ef]specifically[/i0c5eed86ef] prohibited. It doesn't have to be a blatant attempt to secure a trade. Just the act of sending unsolicited (i.e. spam) welcome messages to new members can be a subtle way to influence them to trade with you. It's common sense if you think about it -- wouldn't you tend to give trading preference to the person who warmly welcomed you to the forum, befriended you, and showed you the ropes? Well, there are some people who would take advantage of that, and have in the past, so we nixed it. Very clearly. If we allowed one person to continue doing it, then we'd damn well have to let everyone or we'd never hear the end of it. You all should be thankful that we at least try to apply the rules fairly across the board, and don't play favorites.

As was said, all mods & admins supported this decision. And the duration of the ban, to my knowledge, has yet to be decided, so everybody needs to just untwist their knickers and wait it out.

Guys,

The mods are obviously tired of it and im sure they didnt lay down the ban hammer at the very first illegal PM. I think that we need to understand that the mods are doing the best to keep this forum from coming a spam happy chat room. It is bad enough that trading is dead and I understand the pain of the people that rely on trading.

These mods don't get paid and they do more for us than we could ever imagine. Rules are rules and she has been around wayyyyyyyyy too long to not understand what PM spam exactly is.

[quote6f85af93ac="nbonsu26"]Ok this is seriously ticking me off sending a message willing to help a new user is considered spam what if the user was asking for help . Im not sure what exactly here but the idiots who are acting childish making mean comments about other users has to stop like the idiot about the jaywalking comment how old are you ?[/quote6f85af93ac]

You talk about mean comments but here you are in this thread calling people idiots. Honestly, sandra habina obviously isn't being banned for no reason. Oh, and I'm 18... I don't really think that has much to do with my comment though.

edit --

"untwist their knickers"

I have to wonder where dmorris gets this stuff. Do you have a lovely Southern accent as well, Mr. Morris? lol

I am new to this forum and know that my opinion means little but i would just like to say....

About a month ago i came to the fipg forum and had never made a trade.
i didn't know anything or anyone here. I responded to two posts in the trading post. One to a guy with a tr of 12 and one to a guy with 100 and something. The guy with the higher tr had a trade for me.
Both of them directed me to SANDRA HABINA for help, support, and guidance, and most importantly to trade with a good, reliable and honest trader.
We all know she broke the rules and so does she. The mods and admins will decide her fate and i for one hope they are fair and give her a second chance.

I just don't think it's very classy or tasteful to attack her character and talk this kinda trash about someone who does so much to help so many,
often for nothing in return when she is not even able to defend herself.

That's all i am going to say about that.

You've never heard the expression "Get your knickers in a twist"?.

I believe trading in general should be banned until a generation of freebie users goes by.

[quote5b09251b0c="theysayjump"]You've never heard the expression "Get your knickers in a twist"?.[/quote5b09251b0c]

Not once in my entire life.

(edit - ugh I hate starting a new page with such a trivial post...)

[quote9634faef1a="J4320"][quote9634faef1a="theysayjump"]You've never heard the expression "Get your knickers in a twist"?.[/quote9634faef1a]

Not once in my entire life.

(edit - ugh I hate starting a new page with such a trivial post...)[/quote9634faef1a]

Don't get your knickers in a twist about it.

I know what we say has no leverage in the situation, but since she has helped me so much and gone way above and beyond what is expected from a trader, I feel the need to also come to the defense of Sandra.

Rules are rules, no doubt. They help keep this place in line and keep everyone safe and un-harassed. But look at things in the context of what she does in the forum. Not a single person in this forum has one bad thing to say about Sandra, besides the people who, for some strange reason, want to send her to the firing squad for technically breaking a little rule. I know the rule's intention and I know it should be respected.

However, she's not doing this in hopes of a trade, clearly. She's helped way more people than she's pissed off, and the people she has pissed off were new to the forum and never gave her a chance to help them as she's helped many of us. I think she does this forum a great justice by teaching the newbies the ropes right away so that they don't accidentally make mistakes and subject themselves to the REAL scammers.

I'm not saying let her off the hook with no punishment, because i realize that is not an option at this point, and you are trying to get back to following the rules, but I'm saying the good she does on this site far outweighs the little bullshit she does that we can consider "bad" in respects to the rules.

Do what you will, but she does a lot of good for this site and everyone in it, and for people to just throw her under the bus for sending a couple PM's cuz she was bored just doesn't do her any justice.

For the record, I really don't have anything against her at all and I'm not really trying to push to keep her banned or anything. In fact I really did like her. She was the best older "FiPG mom" member around in my opinion. lol

It's just that I don't think it's right to let her off the hook and not the others -- regardless of what she has done. Anyway, I have a feeling that this isn't permanent. Then again it could be. Not really my decision...

eng101

Just so I don't go down in this thread as [i326f56c79e]the [b326f56c79e]idiot[/b326f56c79e] that posted the Mother Teresa comment[/i326f56c79e], I'd like to clarify the comment and the comparison.
My intention was to make a real-world/analogy comparison, where both cases have similar characteristics. I obviously (to most) wasn't comparing Sandy to Mother Teresa (oh, and BTW the comment about her being dead was disrespectful) as far as their faiths, life achievements, morality or any other staple Mother Teresa characteristic. I was simply wanting to point out that someone inherently well-intentioned, honest and helpful is getting, in my humble and respectful opinion, a punishment that WAY out-does the crime, and that a little leniency with Sandy would have been [b326f56c79e]classier[/b326f56c79e]. Nothing more. Please stop reading too far in to the Mother Teresa thing. I guess it was way over some peoples heads. -Michael
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Mother_Teresa.jpg/200px-Mother_Teresa.jpg[" alt=""/img326f56c79e]"If we really want to love we must learn how to forgive." - Mother Teresa, 1910 - 1997

Sandra should have known better and her punishment (as well as the other spammers) should not be dealt with lightly for any reason.

If I were to break the rules, then I would expect a [b08a823656f]firm[/b08a823656f] punishment and nothing less.

In other words, if you fuck with the rules... Then you should expect to get fucked thrice as hard (regardless of status).

In this case, I'm not suggesting a permanent ban. But at the very least, I would suggest a 7-14 day ban (depending on severity).

Hello,

I must say this is extremely distressing to me and many that have contacted me about this.

Not knowing most of the traders mentioned, it is difficult to comment, but I do hope that they are of course given a second chance.

I have the utmost respect for the mods, and Administration, and fully understand why this is happening.

For me to not comment on Sandy's situation is an impossibility for me. The spam rules were broken according to how they are laid out, and for that, there should indeed be a ban imposed. Should it be a perma ban? In mine and countless others minds and hopes, no.

She is not only a fine upstanding person, but she is an incredibly valuable asset to this forum and to many many more people then she has ever traded with. She was my 4th trade I believe, and with out her encouragement, help, guidance and constantly cheering me on, I would have given it all up. Most certainly I would not be where I am today. I owe much of that to her. There is no doubt in my mind that others feel much the same as I.

I'm surprised by the nasty, snide and unwarranted childish behavior and or comments, towards any of these traders and each other. We are working to solve a issue, not demean others or ourselves.

Thank you so much,

Margot

She's got quite the posse...

...and let's not bring Mother Theresa into this, eh?

[quote114e540177="bballp6699"]She's got quite the posse...

...and let's not bring Mother Theresa into this, eh?[/quote114e540177]


That's quite some comparison that was made....

Ban them for life....This is one of the reasons trading sucks so bad now days....

I'm glad something is being done about this. I was pm spammed by a few users on my first day here and was suckered into greening for them even though the post I set up in the trading post was asking to do green for green and not asking to green for cash. I was given the "You should build your TR before asking to do green for green" crap. It caused me to use up a bunch of offers that I could have used on my green for green trades and I was even paid poorly compared to what others were offering. If I just did my green for green like I wanted, I would have completed my site much sooner, and if I wanted to be paid, I could have shopped around and earned at least $5-$10 more per site that I greened on. But being a brand new user, I didn't know any better and got taken advantage of by these spammers.

[quoteef4b2822d1="Daggoth"]I believe trading in general should be banned until a generation of freebie users goes by.[/quoteef4b2822d1]

Bottom of the page FTL

[quote866c31b193="ILoveToys"]Ban them for life....This is one of the reasons trading sucks so bad now days....[/quote866c31b193]

ya... roll

[quote705b8f1f97="doylnea"]The mods and admins are in full support of this decision, and no amount of protest is going to change the decision.[/quote705b8f1f97]

That's why FIPG has probably dropped to #3 in the freebie trading forums.

[quote7983b91db6="Twon"][quote7983b91db6="doylnea"]The mods and admins are in full support of this decision, and no amount of protest is going to change the decision.[/quote7983b91db6]

That's why FIPG has probably dropped to #3 in the freebie trading forums.[/quote7983b91db6]

It's not like the trading part of freebie is worth anything at the moment.

maybe not to you. It pays some bills for me.

[quote15be574641="Twon"][quote15be574641="doylnea"]The mods and admins are in full support of this decision, and no amount of protest is going to change the decision.[/quote15be574641]

That's why FIPG has probably dropped to #3 in the freebie trading forums.[/quote15be574641]

How does supporting a decision to enforce a rule (that benefits 99.9% of the trading and user population) make FiPG a worse place? In fact, you likely benefited from the rule as well, given that you're a relatively new member. Furthermore, there are multiple reasons the rule is in place, two of which are 1) to prevent new traders from being scammed into doing trades for $5 and 2) to keep new traders around, and not have them scared off.

[quotef4e3fa79ff="TryinToGetPaid"]Status means nothing. If a CEO of a company engaged in illegal activities inside of his company, it is still illegal. Rules are rules, follow them like everyone else or pay the consequences.[/quotef4e3fa79ff]

If Kobe raped a chick, the Lakers don't care. If DJ Mbenga raped a chick, the Lakers would release him.

[quote660cc0108a="doylnea"][quote660cc0108a="Twon"][quote660cc0108a="doylnea"]The mods and admins are in full support of this decision, and no amount of protest is going to change the decision.[/quote660cc0108a]

That's why FIPG has probably dropped to #3 in the freebie trading forums.[/quote660cc0108a]

How does supporting a decision to enforce a rule (that benefits 99.9% of the trading and user population) make FiPG a worse place? In fact, you likely benefited from the rule as well, given that you're a relatively new member. Furthermore, there are multiple reasons the rule is in place, two of which are 1) to prevent new traders from being scammed into doing trades for $5 and 2) to keep new traders around, and not have them scared off.[/quote660cc0108a]

Yeah but trading veterans like her also make a heavy amount of trades get done in the first place. I don't see how someone can make a rude comment and get temp banned, but a few spam PMs sent flying around warrants an instant perma-ban, but whatever.

[quote8a7b282e59="akalic"]Yeah but trading veterans like her also make a heavy amount of trades get done in the first place. I don't see how someone can make a rude comment and get temp banned, but a few spam PMs sent flying around warrants an instant perma-ban, but whatever.[/quote8a7b282e59]
Again, these weren't a 'few PMs', or 'a couple PM's cuz she was bored.' These guys were sending PMs to new users systematically. Some were worse than others.

Users who sent less, like bugs53666, were only warned.

Think about it which would you rather have happen to you

- Walking thru the city some random person calls you a douche-bag or asshole

or

- Every department/B&M store you enter, 10 people run up to you trying to lead you around the store

Not a great analogy, but I tried.

I like the mars volta.

AFter this thread, I don't see why she would even want to come back....

true

[quotedbf72ead28="Twon"][quotedbf72ead28="doylnea"]The mods and admins are in full support of this decision, and no amount of protest is going to change the decision.[/quotedbf72ead28]

That's why FIPG has probably dropped to #3 in the freebie trading forums.[/quotedbf72ead28]

[idbf72ead28]That's[/idbf72ead28] why? FAIL.

It's because Veek doesn't come by and post his orly owls anymore. cry

[quotedd37f383e7="J4320"]It's because Veek doesn't come by and post his orly owls anymore. cry[/quotedd37f383e7]

O Rly?

[quotecef0ee5492="J4320"]It's because Veek doesn't come by and post his orly owls anymore. cry[/quotecef0ee5492]

Thank God he doesn't

[quote07414537c7="doylnea"][quote07414537c7="Twon"][quote07414537c7="doylnea"]The mods and admins are in full support of this decision, and no amount of protest is going to change the decision.[/quote07414537c7]

That's why FIPG has probably dropped to #3 in the freebie trading forums.[/quote07414537c7]

How does supporting a decision to enforce a rule (that benefits 99.9% of the trading and user population) make FiPG a worse place? In fact, you likely benefited from the rule as well, given that you're a relatively new member. Furthermore, there are multiple reasons the rule is in place, two of which are 1) to prevent new traders from being scammed into doing trades for $5 and 2) to keep new traders around, and not have them scared off.[/quote07414537c7]
[b07414537c7]sandy habina[/b07414537c7] But that is exactly why I sent the fipg newbie guide to new users. And told them I would help or answer questions. Obviously they joined the forum from interest or curiosity - to find out more about this freebie world.
I know I was so scared - I did not know where to start. Who to trust. I am no saint, in any way, but I do enjoy helping people and I do not scam them or offer them less. I stay with them the entire way. I am always there for them. I feel that I was helping trading and FIPG.
I realize now that I broke the rule and for that I am sorry. But it was for trying to help newbies understand the trading and not get scared away by scammers.
Some of you (who have never even talked to me) are saying horrible things and that is not fair. I help my traders succeed and many many of them are my friends today. I do not lie or cheat or scam anyone. I answer all of their questions and try to make them feel safe with trading. This is just not smoke either - read my feedback - obviously I am not scamming new traders. I do not scare them off with offers of trading and lying and say they will get rich. I send them the FIPG newbie guide link and tell them I will answer any questions and help them. I love to meet new people, even if just to chat.
Now - can you let it go and let the moderators make their decisions.
Please.

[quoteef17a87df2]"[bef17a87df2]Now - can you let it go and let the moderators make their decisions.[/bef17a87df2]"[/quoteef17a87df2]

They made their decision yesterday. Everyone let it go and move on...


...before I start posting them damn owls. x

[quote8cc583febf="samz465"]I know I was so scared - I did not know where to start. Who to trust.[/quote8cc583febf]

internet forumz r so scary!

Alright folks, enough with the ridiculing sandra and the others. Them breaking rules doesn't make it open season on them. Let us deal with the situation. If this thread continues to be "rude and condescending" (hey! remember THAT rule???) then it will be closed and several of you will be joining sandra and the others in the Happy Land of Bandom.

I hope the people posting in here are not as angry and aggressive in real life. Everyone screws up from time to time, it doesn't mean that we need to pile on. Let them face the consequences according to the mods decisions and that out to be good enough. My experience has been that these guys are more than fair.

My only hope is that some of you guys will remember the way you are acting here the next time in your life that you make a poor decision and no mercy is shown.

Sandra has been fair and kind and helpful. She broke a rule and now she faces the punishment. No personal attacks are needed.

It's very simple and to be honest, people shouldn't be complaining about it.

Various forum members violated our rules and have subsequently been punished. You break the rules, you face the consequences (regardless of who you are). Fuck, we've even punished staff members for violating rules. We're not a bunch of Stroids, we're a fair few folk.

Nobody's doubting or questioning the help or advice that Sandra or anyone else has provided to the forum, we (as staff members) know, appreciate and discuss it behind closed doors, but being lenient on one person because of their contribution to the forum doesn't set a good example at all if we show to let them off and punish others.

So chill your balls and let us take care of it.

[quote95934d114a="mculton"]Ok JOSHBOX. I'll meet you half way. Considering my previous post, would't a warning have been appropriate? You're probably gonna say something like "she knew the rules!". But with such a record behind her, wouldn't it have been safe to assume there had been some sort of misunderstanding or confusion, warranting an investigation and/or a warning? I just think there is no need to crucify her (specially brutally and in public) for such an innocent mistake! It's like killing flies with a shotgun! -mCulton[/quote95934d114a]

Uh, not that i have anything against sandra, but she had a warning. I mean shoot, that big red box under the logo isn't there for nothing.

Honestly, I don't care either which way it goes, however if we let ONE slide, we need to let them all slide. Forum status and contributions should not come into play. Sandra is not the only one who knows how to do freebies and the new people won't miss her because they won't know her, old people can still contact her, etc, etc, etc. So it's not like if she, or puppeteer for that matter, were banned that this forum would suffer.

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Just so you're not left hanging, we'll update on the duration of the ban later this week. Everybody gets the same treatment, except for greenmachine30 who was permabanned. He kept coming back with different usernames to keep spamming.

Know that even FLR permabans spammers and a4f does not allow welcome PMs, before anyone else starts drawing comparisons.

The temp bans should be lifted sometime today.

really, you're spamming people, despite all these people having been banned for it?

See you in 14 days.

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