I wish people wouldn't pay more than 50%

I can't believe how the price of greens is skyrocketing. 50% of the referral payout used to be a huge amount.

Thoughts???

When I first started the average price for a gratis site was like $10..

I had a hard time finishing up a trainn site paying $30 a green. Thats even more then 50%, and it still took awhile to get refs.

[quote0a0acbf4fd="Twon"]I can't believe how the price of greens is skyrocketing.[/quote0a0acbf4fd]

Haha, when I first read that, I thought you were talking about another type of greens lol

eh... not so much bothered... prices will fluctuate from time to time... but freebie game is def different nowadays

I apologize that I have driven up the market.

[quote818b5d57b7="Big War Bird"]I apologize that I have driven up the market.[/quote818b5d57b7]

Yes. It is all your fault. x

a green is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it. if someone is willing to pay out over 50% of what they earn, that's on them.

if you were someone looking to sign up for a site, you'd take the best available offer.

-dan

[quote5a3e9b3d2d="DRay9911"]a green is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it. if someone is willing to pay out over 50% of what they earn, that's on them.

if you were someone looking to sign up for a site, you'd take the best available offer.

-dan[/quote5a3e9b3d2d]

That's not my point... Of course the greener is going to go for the max that they can get.... If I wanted to pay retail or close to retail, I'd goto a store. These are [b5a3e9b3d2d][u5a3e9b3d2d]FREEBIE[/u5a3e9b3d2d][/b5a3e9b3d2d] sites, not retail sites.

[quote24e0b7da5c="Twon"][quote24e0b7da5c="DRay9911"]a green is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it. if someone is willing to pay out over 50% of what they earn, that's on them.

if you were someone looking to sign up for a site, you'd take the best available offer.

-dan[/quote24e0b7da5c]

That's not my point... Of course the greener is going to go for the max that they can get.... If I wanted to pay retail or close to retail, I'd goto a store. These are [b24e0b7da5c][u24e0b7da5c]FREEBIE[/u24e0b7da5c][/b24e0b7da5c] sites, not retail sites.[/quote24e0b7da5c]

I used to green for 15 bucks on freepay sites when I first started, heh

one of my little secrets that i'm willing to let go now is....

i usually always pay my refs 15 bux to green... i RARELY pay even 20 P
i've definitely saved alot of money paying 15 bux for refs... probably could have gotten more... but i'm sufficiently happy with the amount of people i find in a week )

its all about who u get to green for you... and what they know about things... how aware they are to other prices, and how willing they are going to work for you

one of the many reasons i am taking a break )
i will likely do a nocc site soon but for now nothing doing )

[quote4f4d7f1026="chrome89k"]i rip newbies off[/quote4f4d7f1026]

(in case anyone failed to pick up on that)

[quote4f4d7f1026="jy3"]one of the many reasons i am taking a break )
i will likely do a nocc site soon but for now nothing doing )[/quote4f4d7f1026]
fusioncash has a bunch of new high paying no-cc offers )

[quote7c369f5be3="Admin"][quote7c369f5be3="chrome89k"]i rip newbies off[/quote7c369f5be3]

(in case anyone failed to pick up on that)

[quote7c369f5be3="jy3"]one of the many reasons i am taking a break )
i will likely do a nocc site soon but for now nothing doing )[/quote7c369f5be3]
fusioncash has a bunch of new high paying no-cc offers )[/quote7c369f5be3]

Hey! thats marketing strategy! i learned that 5th period in my business administration/marketing class with Mr. B from 11-1145

too bad ethics 101 with mr. little voice inside your head isn't a prerequisite

lol.... if 15 is meaningful enough for some people to get started... i shall stand firm

[quote91ec528776="Admin"]too bad ethics 101 with mr. little voice inside your head isn't a prerequisite[/quote91ec528776]

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

[quotebe9f0098a8="chrome89k"]lol.... if 15 is meaningful enough for some people to get started... i shall stand firm[/quotebe9f0098a8]

No, it is not. That is definitely taking advantage of people. I bet it wouldn't feel to good if you were on the other end.

wow... ok im going to bite my tongue...

hold my fingers in this case...


about to start flaming but i've learned my lesson twice...

All im going to say IS

I am like a store, my prices are firm, my customer service i can CERTAINLY say is A+++++... if people want to green for more money.. i let them go... OTHERWISE they are my greens... my TR reflects my trades... OBVIOUSLY i have been recommended by people that i was EXTREMELY helpful and that doing business with me was both pleasureable AND a positive experience...


PS... all trainn sites i paid 20/ref ... not 15

LOL @ A STORE GIVING ITSELF A CUSTOM SERVICE RATING!

[quote21b5d3b818="Daggoth"]LOL @ A STORE GIVING ITSELF A CUSTOM SERVICE RATING![/quote21b5d3b818]

LOL at that is all you have to say now

Seriously though, there is nothing against the rules, but each person has his or her morals. Yours are just lowers than others.

[quotecbc30937fb="DRay9911"]a green is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it. if someone is willing to pay out over 50% of what they earn, that's on them.

if you were someone looking to sign up for a site, you'd take the best available offer.

-dan[/quotecbc30937fb]

I'd say (in regards to what chrome pays) this goes both ways. If you want to pay more than 50%, cool, if not, that's up to you and who's greening for you. It's up to the newbs to "shop around" and if they don't, I CERTAINLY wouldn't say "oh, by the way, most people are paying twice the amount I am, just so you know".

[quote084b412350="Daggoth"]Seriously though, there is nothing against the rules, but each person has his or her morals. Yours are just lowers than others.[/quote084b412350]





i am willing to settle at that...

or


my cash stash is a bit lower than others

[quoteb8e5d75bc7="chrome89k"][quoteb8e5d75bc7="Daggoth"]Seriously though, there is nothing against the rules, but each person has his or her morals. Yours are just lowers than others.[/quoteb8e5d75bc7]





i am willing to settle at that...

or


my cash stash is a bit lower than others[/quoteb8e5d75bc7]

Low cash isn't an excuse for low morals.. so just settle at the lower morals part.

[quote4ff5af81fb="chrome89k"]wow... ok im going to bite my tongue...

hold my fingers in this case...


about to start flaming but i've learned my lesson twice...

All im going to say IS

I am like a store, my prices are firm, my customer service i can CERTAINLY say is A+++++... if people want to green for more money.. i let them go... OTHERWISE they are my greens... my TR reflects my trades... OBVIOUSLY i have been recommended by people that i was EXTREMELY helpful and that doing business with me was both pleasureable AND a positive experience...


PS... all trainn sites i paid 20/ref ... not 15[/quote4ff5af81fb]
you also send out that "let me teach you my methods" PM, which is basically a collection of what others have written in stickies. it not only gets you friendly bumps, you even list your ref link in it.

here's the beginning...

[quote4ff5af81fb="chrome89k"]READ THIS CAREFULLY, its no much, but when you follow these instructions SPECIFICALLY, you should have little to no problems or

questions

Could you do me one quick favor and just post in the thread that you saw me in. Just posting a "thanks" would be fine )

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=61445&highlight=

OR

http//www.freelunchroom.com/board/showthread.php?t=97876

Follow these steps and you should be fine )
liliIt may help to read if you paste this into NOTEPADlili

First thing we have to do is prep your computer for the freebie world...
Many people prefer to use internet explorer when completing freebies, but many may agrue that there is no difference between it

and firefox browsers. in both cases, the major factor is being able to manipulate private data ( cookies, history, cache, etc).

VERY IMPORTANT - The use of many anti-virus, pop-up blockers, and parental control programs interferes with the offer process... It

will benefit you GREATLY to deactivate them momentarily... VERY IMPORTANT

liliIf using Internet Explorerlili
It always helps to be using the most recent version of the program no matter what it is.
On the IE browser
TOOLS TAB (on the right of the screen) > Internet Options (bottom of the list) > Privacy (tab on top) > Move

settings meter all the way to the bottom so it says, " accept all cookies "
Make sure that the pop-up blocker is turned OFF
Close out of that window, then go to
TOOLS > Delete Browsing History ( first option on list ) > click DELETE ALL... Button
On the Firefox browser
Make sure you go to
Tools > Clear Private Data ( also able to be accessed by holding CTRL+SHIFT+DEL

Your Ready to go to your REFERRAL LINK

These links are specially designed to make sure that the right person gets credit for your offer completion on a site (choose

any of them, just one, all three)



http//www.freebiemonster.net?ref=11038
[/quote4ff5af81fb]
that's pretty low to be sending that out to newbies..

Why would you say chrome has low morals? That makes no sense. Does he cheat anyone by not keeping his word? I assume he pays what is agreed to.

I hope you're kidding Twon.

arite... just to correct you... its not a compilation of copy/pastes



get your head out of the clouds... lets just settle on... that method can be explained numerous amounts of ways... let me ask you something else... is there a problem with me building up positive feedback from people for others to see in my trade thread?????

i'm sure mods have seen people posting thank you's and that was helpful... i'm sure mods see that i am a positive influence on the community and have gotten many people into the freebie world...

so instead of taking it as a scummy way of bumping my thread... how bout you take it as ... I TRYING to let people know that i am an GOOD choice to turn...

thanks bud

[quotef771acfb62="Twon"]Why would you say chrome has low morals? That makes no sense. Does he cheat anyone by not keeping his word? I assume he pays what is agreed to.[/quotef771acfb62]

Logic is definitely beyond you.

If I con somebody to sell his or her car for $5, does that mean I have good morals?

[quotef7b662bab9="Twon"]Why would you say chrome has low morals? That makes no sense. Does he cheat anyone by not keeping his word? I assume he pays what is agreed to.[/quotef7b662bab9]


and thanks dude... all i said was i pay a bit lower...


honestly certain people in this forum.... not naming names.. .loveurl==http://=http:///url to start commotion...



i mean not only in this thread... but just for everyone else information... i posted a pic of shoes in my post your shoe collection thread...


this guy has to come in and post FAKEFAKEFAKE right underneath it...

just another instance where he like to subtly flame situations and possible get people in trouble.... lucky enough for me i am not a hot head like many others may tend to be

[quote2262908ecd="chrome89k"]arite... just to correct you... its not a compilation of copy/pastes



get your head out of the clouds... lets just settle on... that method can be explained numerous amounts of ways... let me ask you something else... is there a problem with me building up positive feedback from people for others to see in my trade thread?????

i'm sure mods have seen people posting thank you's and that was helpful... i'm sure mods see that i am a positive influence on the community and have gotten many people into the freebie world...

so instead of taking it as a scummy way of bumping my thread... how bout you take it as ... I TRYING to let people know that i am an GOOD choice to turn...

thanks bud[/quote2262908ecd]

I can get people to copy/paste their feedback on my thread, too. Hell, I could get traders from A4F to register and vouch (aka bump) my thread.

[quote82b5282e41="Daggoth"][quote82b5282e41="chrome89k"]arite... just to correct you... its not a compilation of copy/pastes



get your head out of the clouds... lets just settle on... that method can be explained numerous amounts of ways... let me ask you something else... is there a problem with me building up positive feedback from people for others to see in my trade thread?????

i'm sure mods have seen people posting thank you's and that was helpful... i'm sure mods see that i am a positive influence on the community and have gotten many people into the freebie world...

so instead of taking it as a scummy way of bumping my thread... how bout you take it as ... I TRYING to let people know that i am an GOOD choice to turn...

thanks bud[/quote82b5282e41]

I can get people to copy/paste their feedback on my thread, too. Hell, I could get traders from A4F to register and vouch (aka bump) my thread.[/quote82b5282e41]


thanks for bringin that up... GOOD IDEA... im sure you do it... glad you clarified it

[quote7e7bf77d22="chrome89k"][quote7e7bf77d22="Daggoth"][quote7e7bf77d22="chrome89k"]arite... just to correct you... its not a compilation of copy/pastes



get your head out of the clouds... lets just settle on... that method can be explained numerous amounts of ways... let me ask you something else... is there a problem with me building up positive feedback from people for others to see in my trade thread?????

i'm sure mods have seen people posting thank you's and that was helpful... i'm sure mods see that i am a positive influence on the community and have gotten many people into the freebie world...

so instead of taking it as a scummy way of bumping my thread... how bout you take it as ... I TRYING to let people know that i am an GOOD choice to turn...

thanks bud[/quote7e7bf77d22]

I can get people to copy/paste their feedback on my thread, too. Hell, I could get traders from A4F to register and vouch (aka bump) my thread.[/quote7e7bf77d22]


thanks for bringin that up... GOOD IDEA... im sure you do it... glad you clarified it[/quote7e7bf77d22]

404 Reading comprehension not found.

I [b7e7bf77d22]could[/b7e7bf77d22] do it, but does that mean I do it? Plus, it has been month since I've done a trade.

How is it a con to offer $15 to $20? All you have to do is look through the trading thread and instantly you can see that people are offering more...

[quote13f84b30a3="Twon"]How is it a con to offer $15 to $20? All you have to do is look through the trading thread and instantly you can see that people are offering more...[/quote13f84b30a3]

How is it con to buy a car for $5?

[quotea5276cb985="Daggoth"][quotea5276cb985="Twon"]How is it a con to offer $15 to $20? All you have to do is look through the trading thread and instantly you can see that people are offering more...[/quotea5276cb985]

How is it con to buy a car for $5?[/quotea5276cb985]



are you drunk?


tell me how its a con to buy a car for 5 bucks... id love to do that

If you are stupid enough to sell me your car for $5 that's a result of your idiocy.

[quote94753f938e="chrome89k"][quote94753f938e="Daggoth"][quote94753f938e="Twon"]How is it a con to offer $15 to $20? All you have to do is look through the trading thread and instantly you can see that people are offering more...[/quote94753f938e]

How is it con to buy a car for $5?[/quote94753f938e]



are you drunk?


tell me how its a con to buy a car for 5 bucks... id love to do that[/quote94753f938e]

It is a comparison. What if you bought, I don't know, say an expensive family heirloom for $50 off a high schooler, who doesn't know what it is worth.

Same difference.

You are buying a green off a newbie who doesn't know what it is worth. Tell me the usernames of the people you bought greens off of for $15, and I would like to see their reaction when I tell them they could have made double what you paid them.

wtf is going on here? Attack chrome day or something?

Tons of people pay low prices. It's their choice.

Not the same in my opinion.
When you start a new job, do you expect your new boss to pay you as high as someone that has been doing the same job much longer than you? If he/she doesn't, does that mean their morals are poor? That would be a better comparison in my opinion.

[quotea090195fdf="manOFice"]wtf is going on here? Attack chrome day or something?

Tons of people pay low prices. It's their choice.[/quotea090195fdf]

I'm having fun. D

[quote767b4c61fc="chrome89k"][quote767b4c61fc="Twon"]Why would you say chrome has low morals? That makes no sense. Does he cheat anyone by not keeping his word? I assume he pays what is agreed to.[/quote767b4c61fc]


and thanks dude... all i said was i pay a bit lower...


honestly certain people in this forum.... not naming names.. .loveurl==http://=http:///url to start commotion...



i mean not only in this thread... but just for everyone else information... i posted a pic of shoes in my post your shoe collection thread...


this guy has to come in and post FAKEFAKEFAKE right underneath it...

just another instance where he like to subtly flame situations and possible get people in trouble.... lucky enough for me i am not a hot head like many others may tend to be[/quote767b4c61fc]
"not naming names, but I'll give you a specific example of his posts so you can figure it out."

I just fuck around in the shoe thread because I think it's funny that you guys spend $100+/pair on a weekly basis.

that's completely unrelated, but thanks for bringing it up "bud"

I just wish you would own up to tricking people into giving you friendly bumps, which aren't allowed. I also don't think it's necessary to post your ref link in that message, which is sent out mainly to newbies.

That message sounds like spam to me - it may be sent to people who have posted, but it's obviously a form message and not in answer to anyone's thread.

As far as paying higher prices As long as I make more than I pay out, I'm making a profit. Basic business - if you offer a great deal, you may be reducing your profit margin, but you will get more sales and make more money overall. Not to mention return business and word of mouth.

[quote7cc200070b="skepticalcynic"]As far as paying higher prices As long as I make more than I pay out, I'm making a profit. Basic business - if you offer a great deal, you may be reducing your profit margin, but you will get more sales and make more money overall. Not to mention return business and word of mouth.[/quote7cc200070b]

No dispute there. It just seems that it's no longer about getting "stuff" for free or really cheap. You know what I mean?

[quotec8b97ec439="Twon"][quotec8b97ec439="skepticalcynic"]As far as paying higher prices As long as I make more than I pay out, I'm making a profit. Basic business - if you offer a great deal, you may be reducing your profit margin, but you will get more sales and make more money overall. Not to mention return business and word of mouth.[/quotec8b97ec439]

No dispute there. It just seems that it's no longer about getting "stuff" for free or really cheap. You know what I mean?[/quotec8b97ec439]

Agreed.

yes, I know exactly what you mean. I was actually thinking about it when I decided I wanted a psp instead of cash on a site. I realized I would only get it for about 50% of retail. You're right, it doesn't sound like such a great idea then.

I don't know - I'm really kind of torn. If I don't offer higher bids, I won't get any greens. But if I have to pay more... well, you know. But unless everyone lowers their bids, there's not much to be done about it. I am open to suggestions, though.

[quote4b987c7bbe="Twon"]If you are stupid enough to sell me your car for $5 that's a result of your idiocy.[/quote4b987c7bbe]

I hate that argument. No one put anyone on earth to teach someone that lesson by actually taking advantage of them. If you see someone who's ignorant, you inform them. I don't even go to church and I learned that.

Plus, I was more in to his excuse that not having much cash would be a good reason for doing something that required a lack of ethics... not whether or not him lowballing people who don't know any better is an example of it.

[quoteb19f308899="Twon"]I can't believe how the price of greens is skyrocketing. 50% of the referral payout used to be a huge amount.

Thoughts???[/quoteb19f308899]
basic economics, back in the gratis days it was a lot cheaper/easier to go green and the demand/supply for/of the greens weren't as high
now it's not only a lot harder/cost more money to go green, there's also a huge demand for greens with a very low supply. lowering the offers for greens wouldn't help or do anything productive for neither parties because of this unbalance.
this competitive market forces people to either have competing offers w/ the demand or market/manipulate newbies. using 'bad ethics' as an excuse for not doing anything is a lame answer because having ethics and morals is a poor business practice in any competitive market; survival of the fittest (

[quote21b3ea72ce="d11m"][quote21b3ea72ce="Twon"]I can't believe how the price of greens is skyrocketing. 50% of the referral payout used to be a huge amount.

Thoughts???[/quote21b3ea72ce]
basic economics, back in the gratis days it was a lot cheaper/easier to go green and the demand/supply for/of the greens weren't as high
now it's not only a lot harder/cost more money to go green, there's also a huge demand for greens with a very low supply. lowering the offers for greens wouldn't help or do anything productive for neither parties because of this unbalance.
this competitive market forces people to either have competing offers w/ the demand or market/manipulate newbies. using 'bad ethics' as an excuse for not doing anything is a lame answer because having ethics and morals is a poor business practice in any competitive market; survival of the fittest ([/quote21b3ea72ce]i sincerely believe that if you are a good enough businessperson you can successfully build a business in ANY market, based on integrity. there is something deeply subconsciously attractive about that kind of business -- people will seek them out and success finds them.

[quote2d911cd01d="skepticalcynic"]That message sounds like spam to me - it may be sent to people who have posted, but it's obviously a form message and not in answer to anyone's thread.

As far as paying higher prices As long as I make more than I pay out, I'm making a profit. Basic business - if you offer a great deal, you may be reducing your profit margin, but you will get more sales and make more money overall. Not to mention return business and word of mouth.[/quote2d911cd01d]

i want to get ONE THING STRAIGHT!.... ok... that message is NOT SENT TO RANDOM PEOPLE!!!.... i do not know where ANYONE got the impression that i go around sending that to random people.... lililiaccusation of it being SPAMlilili ( yea i appreciate that little dig as well)

let me tell you WHY my referral link is in there... People come to me asking how to get started and what sites I have available... hence me sending my referral link in there...

me putting my referral link in a blurb about some tips on how to go green is first and foremost none of your business zdub because i have never sent it to you in hopes of you greening for me... or in response to a plea for your help... (dont even know how you were one of the people who has PM'd me asking to see)

another thing... i am not really much into trading these past weeks because i have had alot of other things to be worrying about... i send that blurb to people who PM me or post in my trading thread which i bump myself...


now someone needs to either CLOSE this topic or rename is "trying" to get at chrome89k for paying people 15 bux to green on 1 credit non trainn sites... because i'm really tired of having to defend myself on false pretenses/accusations... but i will if i have to if this keeps up

I know we're all viciously attacking you, and I know it was completely uninvited, but hear me out.

1. you said you pay less to those who are unaware of what they should be getting paid.

2. you have a message, which is mainly sent to newbies before any trade has been initiated, containing your referral link

3. you urge users to thank you publicly, specifically in your trade thread. coincidentally, this bumps your posts.

no, you're not a scammer, but you are taking business away from more honest people.

Ok so basically you are calling me "not honest"

STILL INSISTING that i am spamming people with that message....

and last time i checked you are suppose to INFORM people of what they are doing BEFORE you initiate a trade... (please correct me if im wrong)

STILL nothing wrong with me putting my referral link in a message intended for them to complete an offer (which they ASKED for)

and last time i checked... "Could you do me one quick favor" does not interpret into I URGE YOU!

I like to capitalize random words TOO.

anyways, here are parts of that message you send out that bother me.

[quotef4eecb8675]Could you do me one quick favor and just post in the thread that you saw me in. Just posting a "thanks" would be fine Smile

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=61445&highlight=

OR

http//www.freelunchroom.com/board/showthread.php?t=97876 [/quotef4eecb8675]

[quotef4eecb8675] These links are specially designed to make sure that the right person gets credit for your offer completion on a site (choose

any of them, just one, all three)



http//www.freebiemonster.net?ref=11038



Go to the link above, and sign up with the site itself [/quotef4eecb8675]

[quotef4eecb8675] Try and complete offers that say they are INSTANT offers.[/quotef4eecb8675]

[quotef4eecb8675]If you have seen me through a thread that i have posted, could u PLEASE go there and just post a thank you of some sort[/quotef4eecb8675]

[quotef4eecb8675]could you do me one huge favor and bump my topic by just putting a "thanks"

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=61445&highlight= [/quotef4eecb8675]

would you like me to call you and express emphasis on certain words or can i just capitalize them...

and yea i like your quoting skills if thats what you are practicing...

but i still dont see a problem other than you TRYING making one


Last time i checked MY VERSION of the message i clearly state above that there are different TIMES that it takes to credit... if people wish for a fast green they should complete instants... otherwise offers take TIME to credit


but once again nice try... not working...

i could probably pull random sentences from a presidential speach and make someone look bad as well...

all i see, the more you post, is YOU being the more dishonest, unethical person between the two of us...

the few refs iv paid for were like 5$

how long ago was that?

[quotef52b171d4d="shortys408"]the few refs iv paid for were like 5$[/quotef52b171d4d]


)

[quoteda89b79a8a="chrome89k"]Ok so basically you are calling me "not honest"

STILL INSISTING that i am spamming people with that message....

and last time i checked you are suppose to INFORM people of what they are doing BEFORE you initiate a trade... (please correct me if im wrong)

STILL nothing wrong with me putting my referral link in a message intended for them to complete an offer (which they ASKED for)

and last time i checked... "Could you do me one quick favor" does not interpret into I URGE YOU![/quoteda89b79a8a]

1. Yah, not honest, you're belying.

2. Last time I checked, most people don't take advantage of newbies either.

3. Since you are sooooo into helping newbies cause you're such a great guy, you should let them know about the trade module and inserting a link there.

4. When you word phrases like "Since I helped you so much, can you do my this favor" or stuff like that, it is pretty much saying "You owe it to me"

1. still cant see where that comes in.... please do elaborate

2. LAST TIME I CHECKED I FULLY INFORM THEM... stop saying i flicking take advantage of them.... i really dont appreciate you insisting on that....

3. i dont PM them.... they come to me... SO CLEARLY THEY HAVE BEEN WELL INFORMED.... so you mean to tell me... they go straight to mine... blind to the million and one... " MAKE 60 DOLLARS" "PAYING 35 PER REF" yea they come to my thread and let me pay them 15 with all those other posts out there...

4. quote me where i say... SINCE I HELPED YOU SO MUCH....


I'm telling you..you both are ridiculous trying to get at me for this... please do try again... let me ask where you are getting all this misinformed information from... ? or are you just trying to keep an argument going

Why are you guys always so offensive?
Can't we all just get along )

yay daggoth's on my side

[quote378abbfda8="zdub08"]yay daggoth's on my side[/quote378abbfda8]

hence my argument of you just treating this as fun and games, while my reputation is at stake...

[quotea56fa8cd39="zdub08"]
[ba56fa8cd39]Post.[/ba56fa8cd39]
[/quotea56fa8cd39]

That's pretty poor on your part to ask for a guide just to belittle someone.
And you argeed to flaming in the shoe thread ?


I think it's a person's responsibility to figure out the price for something..
If they are on this forum they can easily RESEARCH and figure out how much something is really worth. It's really not hard.

But why the hate on paying $15 for a green? A green is worth as much as someones willing to take for it.

I remember when we used to green for free.

[quote170af59b13="chrome89k"]1. still cant see where that comes in.... please do elaborate

2. LAST TIME I CHECKED I FULLY INFORM THEM... stop saying i flicking take advantage of them.... i really dont appreciate you insisting on that....

3. i dont PM them.... they come to me... SO CLEARLY THEY HAVE BEEN WELL INFORMED.... so you mean to tell me... they go straight to mine... blind to the million and one... " MAKE 60 DOLLARS" "PAYING 35 PER REF" yea they come to my thread and let me pay them 15 with all those other posts out there...

4. quote me where i say... SINCE I HELPED YOU SO MUCH....


I'm telling you..you both are ridiculous trying to get at me for this... please do try again... let me ask where you are getting all this misinformed information from... ? or are you just trying to keep an argument going[/quote170af59b13]

1. You are pretty much offering them lowball offers, which newbies think are legit/normal.

2. You do not "fully" inform them if you are paying [b170af59b13]half the regular price[/b170af59b13]. Fully means completely, or all. More like you are PARTIALLY informing them.

3. Did you completely miss my point? If you are such a great guy, then why don't you teach them to put links in the trade modules by setting an example, instead of putting your link in the reply.

4. I don't need to because it was [b170af59b13]an example of how you could word things differently[/b170af59b13].

people still do

[quote6d13cec2fb="EatChex89"]I remember when we used to green for free.[/quote6d13cec2fb]

[quote6d13cec2fb="Admin"]people still do[/quote6d13cec2fb]

Must be happening when I'm sleeping. )

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That's pretty poor on your part to ask for a guide just to belittle someone.
And you argeed to flaming in the shoe thread ?


I think it's a person's responsibility to figure out the price for something..
If they are on this forum they can easily RESEARCH and figure out how much something is really worth. It's really not hard.

But why the hate on paying $15 for a green? A green is worth as much as someones willing to take for it.[/quoted2987787d4]

Well for starters, it is a good example of how he "guides through people." The way he makes it seem is that he provides great service to the users by helping them, when it is actually just a copy/paste template.

If people did not lowball offers, then newbies wouldn't need to research every single thing. When I started the freebie scene, the "worth" of greens was completely beyond my grasp.

Argument of morals. I dislike people who justify paying $10-15 (when it is normally worth $25-30) because the put the blame upon newbies for not researching it.

Really, the guy is doing nothing wrong.

Every newbie has a chance to pick from numerous people in the trading post, but he's the one that they are approaching.

When they approach him, they have the right to say "yes" or "no, not really interested." They are choosing yes.

Apparently, with his tr up above 110, they are being directed to the trade mod.

Give it a rest and leave the guy alone. He is educating people on how to go green. He's starting from the begining and guiding them through the process successfully. Now they can go replicate it themselves. I would have loved to have someone guide me through my first few trades. I made a million newbie mistakes and even went red on someone because of a rookie mistake. I would guess that if I was with chrome, I would have known what and what not to do.

I say they got paid to be educated. You guys are just jacking with him because they want him and not you.

Daggoth have you ever heard of not shooting yourself in the foot?

[quote22b03f0280="Daggoth"][quote22b03f0280="chrome89k"]1. still cant see where that comes in.... please do elaborate

2. LAST TIME I CHECKED I FULLY INFORM THEM... stop saying i flicking take advantage of them.... i really dont appreciate you insisting on that....

3. i dont PM them.... they come to me... SO CLEARLY THEY HAVE BEEN WELL INFORMED.... so you mean to tell me... they go straight to mine... blind to the million and one... " MAKE 60 DOLLARS" "PAYING 35 PER REF" yea they come to my thread and let me pay them 15 with all those other posts out there...

4. quote me where i say... SINCE I HELPED YOU SO MUCH....


I'm telling you..you both are ridiculous trying to get at me for this... please do try again... let me ask where you are getting all this misinformed information from... ? or are you just trying to keep an argument going[/quote22b03f0280]

1. You are pretty much offering them lowball offers, which newbies think are legit/normal.

2. You do not "fully" inform them if you are paying [b22b03f0280]half the regular price[/b22b03f0280]. Fully means completely, or all. More like you are PARTIALLY informing them.

3. Did you completely miss my point? If you are such a great guy, then why don't you teach them to put links in the trade modules by setting an example, instead of putting your link in the reply.

4. I don't need to because it was [b22b03f0280]an example of how you could word things differently[/b22b03f0280].[/quote22b03f0280]

seriously.... ask yourself the question in your avatar... then respond to this...

1.where is the international standard for paying for refs... i mean if there is a top secret dungeon lair in las vegas right next to the place where the bookies make the spreads for games... tell me

2. once again.... sorr yi dont know what the going rate is so i cant say im paying half the normal... sorry... still sticking to FULLY INFORMING THEM... since there is no price set in stone....

3. if they are asking for a site to do... last time i checked... p utting it in the module and in a pm to them is fine...

4. ?

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That's pretty poor on your part to ask for a guide just to belittle someone.
And you argeed to flaming in the shoe thread ?


I think it's a person's responsibility to figure out the price for something..
If they are on this forum they can easily RESEARCH and figure out how much something is really worth. It's really not hard.

But why the hate on paying $15 for a green? A green is worth as much as someones willing to take for it.[/quotefc76ae54da]
I asked for the guide a long time ago.

fuck the fucking shoe thread

e thugs 4 lyfe

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That's pretty poor on your part to ask for a guide just to belittle someone.
And you argeed to flaming in the shoe thread ?


I think it's a person's responsibility to figure out the price for something..
If they are on this forum they can easily RESEARCH and figure out how much something is really worth. It's really not hard.

But why the hate on paying $15 for a green? A green is worth as much as someones willing to take for it.[/quotefce0c47d29]
I asked for the guide a long time ago.

fuck the fucking shoe thread

e thugs 4 lyfe[/quotefce0c47d29]


thank you for justifying my point about the "thanks"

you asked for the guide a long long time ago.. AKA friendly bumps WERE allowed....

1. International standard = Average of what other people are paying (approximately +-$3-5)

2. Misuse of the word fully. Fully involves telling them that you are paying less than most people.

3. It has always been custom and newbie-friendly to use the module so newbies don't get the misinterpretation that they can put the link wherever they like.

4. For example I helped/spent time with you [as a newbie] to guide you through the process. You should return the favor.

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I asked for the guide a long time ago.

fuck the fucking shoe thread

e thugs 4 lyfe[/quote193c3f5d02]

Lol the ethugs made me laugh.


I don't see you taking much thing seriously.

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I asked for the guide a long time ago.

fuck the fucking shoe thread

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Lol the ethugs made me life.


I don't see you taking much thing seriously.[/quote41808f2966]

Wait, wait you are talking about ethugging? Didn't you just tell me
[quote41808f2966]Daggoth have you ever heard of not shooting yourself in the foot?[/quote41808f2966]

instead of responding with a proper argument?

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I asked for the guide a long time ago.

fuck the fucking shoe thread

e thugs 4 lyfe[/quote8a094b9873]

Lol the ethugs made me life.


I don't see you taking much thing seriously.[/quote8a094b9873]

Wait, wait you are talking about ethugging? Didn't you just tell me
[quote8a094b9873]Daggoth have you ever heard of not shooting yourself in the foot?[/quote8a094b9873]

instead of responding with a proper argument?[/quote8a094b9873]

Dude. Your taking this way too seriously.

And I'm sorry that I can sum up my "proper argument" into one sentence.
Let me get out the index cards that I wrote on.. I swear I had a really good rebuttal.

Btw you didn't respond to my question ;)


and the ethug thing was to zdub and shows my argeement with his non serious attitude.


Happy? D

iiiite dag... ur just beyond ridiculous right now

I do get noobies used to using the trade module... are you thick in the head.. i just said that twice in this thread... i said not only do i use the trade module but back up everything in a PM...


thanks for not reading man


ps is that your custom title... or is someone calling u wrong?

[quote5c48a514d7="Daggoth"][quote5c48a514d7="chrome89k"]lol.... if 15 is meaningful enough for some people to get started... i shall stand firm[/quote5c48a514d7]

No, it is not. That is definitely taking advantage of people. I bet it wouldn't feel to good if you were on the other end.[/quote5c48a514d7]

yeah about that um if someone accepts that amount then he isnt scamming them and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to compare payouts from referrals

[quoteb0ec4aa624="chrome89k"]iiiite dag... ur just beyond ridiculous right now

I do get noobies used to using the trade module... are you thick in the head.. i just said that twice in this thread... i said not only do i use the trade module but back up everything in a PM...


thanks for not reading man


ps is that your custom title... or is someone calling u wrong?[/quoteb0ec4aa624]

Ya because PMing your link is such a good example of using the trade module. roll

Custom Title - I told TSJ to prove me wrong, and the custom title is what I ended with. I paid for a custom title, but never got it to work so kept this one for old times sake.

[quote1232a204c5="freaky1718"][quote1232a204c5="Daggoth"][quote1232a204c5="chrome89k"]lol.... if 15 is meaningful enough for some people to get started... i shall stand firm[/quote1232a204c5]

No, it is not. That is definitely taking advantage of people. I bet it wouldn't feel to good if you were on the other end.[/quote1232a204c5]

yeah about that um if someone accepts that amount then he isnt scamming them and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to compare payouts from referrals[/quote1232a204c5]

Did I ever say he was scamming?

Taking advantage =! Scamming

WOW... i cannot believe i am talking to some being who does not understand proper english...

let me dumb this down a little then AKA simplify

I....USE.... THE.... TRADE.... MODULE. i'm about to use another sentence

I.... ALSO.. PM (Private Message)... MY.... LINK....



and by you and z, dragging this bull crap on and on and on.... you are basically trying to make me out to be a bad person who takes advantage of people... i'd call that scamming because that is what scammers do... take advantage. so.... if you want to continue to dig at me... idk what you are trying to prove... all im doing here is trying to prevent false accusations from making their way to my future customers

I remember when it was like 30-35$ For a 50$/ref site. I've been out of the scene for a while, but todays prices seem cheap. =/

[quote319b6be18d="chrome89k"]WOW... i cannot believe i am talking to some being who does not understand proper english...

let me dumb this down a little then AKA simplify

I....USE.... THE.... TRADE.... MODULE. i'm about to use another sentence

I.... ALSO.. PM (Private Message)... MY.... LINK....



and by you and z, dragging this bull crap on and on and on.... you are basically trying to make me out to be a bad person who takes advantage of people... i'd call that scamming because that is what scammers do... take advantage. so.... if you want to continue to dig at me... idk what you are trying to prove... all im doing here is trying to prevent false accusations from making their way to my future customers[/quote319b6be18d]

Why use both when you can set a better example by using one?

Yah, I am definetely scamming you. roll

False accusations? I am pretty sure we established that you offer much less than the average price.

Yah, I am definetely scamming you. Rolling Eyes



did i ever say you were scamming me?
can you please read, comprehend, and at least think before you post...

ok so drop it... i get away with paying less...

chrome sCam33d me!!!

[quoted5d92e2bc4="x323smostwantedx"]chrome sCam33d me!!![/quoted5d92e2bc4]


-.- your not helping my cause



and i didnt scam u .... i payed u 20 )

scamming is considered paying 15/ref nowadays

so 20 shud be good.... that may be considered swindling tho... idk what the chart looks like

I was kidding ;)

[quote29ab906af2="x323smostwantedx"]I was kidding ;)[/quote29ab906af2]


inside joke... read the thread... lol

i know you were kidding )

I say fuck off and leave chrome89k alone.

Didn't we pretty much all start by "convincing" friends and family to do sites?

Honestly, atleast hes paying people. Alot of the people bitching at him have done things like pretend to be a teenage girl on myspace to get greens, or spam other forums with ref links..etc

As long as you arin't breaking rules who gives a flying fuck? He isn't lying or not holding up his end of the deal. If they agree to the terms and know full well how much there going to get paid when they setup the trade than I don't think hes doing anything "unmoral" at all. Its up to the newb to "shop around" for better offers. Chrome lets it be known how much hes willing to pay take it or leave it.

[quoteccc4386a2c="JordanE"]I say fuck off and leave chrome89k alone.

Didn't we pretty much all start by "convincing" friends and family to do sites?

Honestly, atleast hes paying people. Alot of the people bitching at him have done things like pretend to be a teenage girl on myspace to get greens, or spam other forums with ref links..etc

As long as you arin't breaking rules who gives a flying fuck? He isn't lying or not holding up his end of the deal. If they agree to the terms and know full well how much there going to get paid when they setup the trade than I don't think hes doing anything "unmoral" at all. Its up to the newb to "shop around" for better offers. Chrome lets it be known how much hes willing to pay take it or leave it.[/quoteccc4386a2c]


breathe of fresh air.... thanks dude

I would have to agree with chrome and jordan here, leave the man alone he isn't doin anything wrong. If people don't want $15 for a site they don't have to take it, whats the big problem and why do you care what he offers other people? It does not affect what you pay people or what you make.

[quoteb192461506="d11m"][quoteb192461506="Twon"]I can't believe how the price of greens is skyrocketing. 50% of the referral payout used to be a huge amount.

Thoughts???[/quoteb192461506]
basic economics, back in the gratis days it was a lot cheaper/easier to go green and the demand/supply for/of the greens weren't as high
now it's not only a lot harder/cost more money to go green, there's also a huge demand for greens with a very low supply. lowering the offers for greens wouldn't help or do anything productive for neither parties because of this unbalance.
this competitive market forces people to either have competing offers w/ the demand or market/manipulate newbies. using 'bad ethics' as an excuse for not doing anything is a lame answer because having ethics and morals is a poor business practice in any competitive market; survival of the fittest ([/quoteb192461506]

Tight avatar d11m

The last person that greened for free for me is now banned...he had like 700 TR or something...hrmmm what was his name again...

Edit fgr_admin haha

Edit Maybe he's not banned?