What should I do?
DIABLO
29-07-2007 11:25:05
I just recently sold 4 RAZRs for $260 to somebody through eBay, I sent them, and have tracking that shows he got them, but he claimed he didn't, I showed him tracking, then he said the package was empty. He now filed a dispute on paypal and my balance is -$260. I don't even have $260 in my bank account so if I lose I'll get hit with the overdraft fees so I'll be out $300+. Is there any way to stop this? I e-mailed my bank(WaMu) and asked them to block all charges from anything with "paypal" in it, but I'm not sure if they'll do it. I tried removing the account from paypal but that doesn't work either. I'm thinking about closing my WaMu account because of this. Do you think that's what I should do? PayPal always seems to take the side of the scammer, so I'm sure they'll try to get me to pay him. Anybody have advice for me? I really need it. Thanks.
-John
JOSHBOX
29-07-2007 11:37:30
was he paypal verified, did u qualify for seller protection?
DIABLO
29-07-2007 12:02:41
[quote42bc53cc2c="JOSHBOX"]was he paypal verified, did u qualify for seller protection?[/quote42bc53cc2c]
Yes, he was, and I did qualify for it, but stupid USPS kept telling me that address was wrong and I had to use a different one, so I'm not covered. I'll probably just stop by WaMu tomorrow and cancel my account. I shouldn't have a problem just telling them I don't need it anymore and getting a bank check from them, should I?
Jeremiah1218
29-07-2007 12:09:06
I would call Paypal and see what they say first before going through the trouble of cancelling your bank account and all that. Its much easier to talk to someone live then waiting for e-mails and such. I'm sure if you have proof of the tracking numbers and what not then you should be fine. Good Luck, I hate scammers like that. I actually ran into some guy the other day who offered me $450 for some phone I am selling and he tried sending me a fake Paypal message that said as soon as I e-mail the tracking number the funds would be deposited into my Paypal account...it mighta worked had this guy not misspelled every other word so I knew he was not actually from Paypal. I just called and reported him.
puppeteer
29-07-2007 12:12:46
close the bank account, clear all your money before paypal proceeds!
its your best shot!
hehehhehe
29-07-2007 12:16:08
[quotedef84b06fd="DIABLO"]Yes, he was, and I did qualify for it, but stupid USPS kept telling me that address was wrong and I had to use a different one, so I'm not covered. I'll probably just stop by WaMu tomorrow and cancel my account. I shouldn't have a problem just telling them I don't need it anymore and getting a bank check from them, should I?[/quotedef84b06fd]
Does that mean you didn't send it to the confirmed address? If so, bad move. Paypal isn't gong to take your side so yeah, get your money out if you can.
Daggoth
29-07-2007 12:30:19
Bad idea. Paypal will send the collection agency after you.
JordanE
29-07-2007 13:02:17
Paypal will probably side with the scammer (they always do..) But your bank probably wont. You may be able to file a charge back.
JordanE
29-07-2007 13:03:18
[quotea0e5a53a7f="Daggoth"]Bad idea. Paypal will send the collection agency after you.[/quotea0e5a53a7f]
Isn't he like 14-15? What can they really do to him?
tylerc
29-07-2007 13:20:55
Hold his parents responsible possibly.
DIABLO
29-07-2007 13:42:42
Well paypal doesn't do that, do they? They just say they can't get the money back. I did send it to the confirmed address, but USPS told me I needed to write it down differently and I sent it to that, I'm not sure if it'll make a difference.
TFOAF
29-07-2007 13:52:21
Move to Africa. Plus aren't you like 14 anyways Diablo?
DIABLO
29-07-2007 13:59:38
[quote18fc8ef619="TFOAF"]Move to Africa. Plus aren't you like 14 anyways Diablo?[/quote18fc8ef619]
Wow nice idea man +kma!!! omg thank u sooo much!
Yes, I am, and?
tjwor
29-07-2007 14:31:18
i'm pretty sure that paypal won't take money out of your bank account, they can't legally do that unless u give them permission, they will tell you that you need to do it, but i don't think they can just take it...
i may be completely wrong here, but i remember hearing that before sometime...
JordanE
29-07-2007 14:39:00
Its probably in one of there TOS's somewhere that they can withhold funds from your checking account in the event that you lose a dispute.
swtldy316
29-07-2007 14:45:22
actually no, they don't take the money from your bank account
my balance was -$60 once for months and they kept sending me emails to pay them, but they never took it out of my checking account.
I had a checking account and a few credit cards tied to my account and they cannot legally take money out of them unless you agree to it.
they do send a collection agency after you though, so good luck.
Daggoth
29-07-2007 14:47:03
[quote786510c09e="DIABLO"]Well paypal doesn't do that, do they? They just say they can't get the money back. I did send it to the confirmed address, but USPS told me I needed to write it down differently and I sent it to that, I'm not sure if it'll make a difference.[/quote786510c09e]
Depending on whose name is on the account, two scenarios will occur
1. If his parent's name is on the account, then they will receive collection agency letters. If they do not pay up, then their credit score might [not sure] go down.
2. If his name is on the account, then the collection agency will send letters to him. By chance that he hides it from his parents, he might start receiving phone calls.
DIABLO
29-07-2007 15:25:22
Oh alright, it's in my name, but my name is the same as my dad's so they might think it's him. I already told him and he said he'd go to WaMu if I lose and tell them not to pay paypal or to close the account, he said if a collection agency mails something to us he'll be able to deal with it, so it should be fine. Thanks for all the help, I'll +KMA all of you(except foafy) when I can do it again.
JennyWren
29-07-2007 16:39:34
How did a 14-year-old get 4 razrs to sell?
tylerc
29-07-2007 17:15:46
Stole them.
DIABLO
29-07-2007 17:34:46
[quotef629eafbd4="JennyWren"]How did a 14-year-old get 4 razrs to sell?[/quotef629eafbd4]
What? 14 year olds can't buy thing?
zdub08
29-07-2007 17:45:32
[quoteb5aebf10c1="TFOAF"]Move to Africa. Plus aren't you like 14 anyways Diablo?[/quoteb5aebf10c1]
PLUS didn't you tell me you were 19 when you were 17 tfoaf?
kidd2108
29-07-2007 18:05:09
[quote2cde465d2c="DIABLO"]Oh alright, it's in my name, but my name is the same as my dad's so they might think it's him. I already told him and he said he'd go to WaMu if I lose and tell them not to pay paypal or to close the account, he said if a collection agency mails something to us he'll be able to deal with it, so it should be fine. Thanks for all the help, I'll +KMA all of you(except foafy) when I can do it again.[/quote2cde465d2c]
As far as I know Paypal will not withdraw from your account. If a collection agency sends a letter you can still dispute it with them. I believe they give you a month to respond with a letter and explaining your side of the story.
I assume you sent it with confirmation/tracking. I think it tells the weight of the box you send on the white reciept(not the tracking receipt). Anyways, point is that he says it was empty when the box was actually a bit heavy. Also, according to you, he changes his story. Wouldnt that imply that he is lying by saying he never recieved anything then saying the box was empty?
freaky1718
29-07-2007 18:35:18
[quotec3f979fd8e="Daggoth"]Bad idea. Paypal will send the collection agency after you.[/quotec3f979fd8e]
awww blah they sent me to collections they cant do anything to you due to u having no ssn and if they take you to the court they will automatically lose due to him being underage so the collections company will lose out on more than 600
TFOAF
29-07-2007 18:38:58
[quote1c460ab318="zdub08"][quote1c460ab318="TFOAF"]Move to Africa. Plus aren't you like 14 anyways Diablo?[/quote1c460ab318]
PLUS didn't you tell me you were 19 when you were 17 tfoaf?[/quote1c460ab318]
Never. I still don't understand why you think I told you that, lol.
jordan90
29-07-2007 18:55:26
Didn't a PayPal or eBay open a dispute where the you and the buyer submit your evidence and story and then they sort it all out? Also, how different is the address that you used from the one that was PayPal verified?
zdub08
29-07-2007 19:04:27
[quote8d0df64eda="TFOAF"][quote8d0df64eda="zdub08"][quote8d0df64eda="TFOAF"]Move to Africa. Plus aren't you like 14 anyways Diablo?[/quote8d0df64eda]
PLUS didn't you tell me you were 19 when you were 17 tfoaf?[/quote8d0df64eda]
Never. I still don't understand why you think I told you that, lol.[/quote8d0df64eda]
lol, you told me it was a mistake after you looked it up in your chat log, lol.
you mention diablo's age every chance you get. you were under 18 when you started visiting this forum, so there's no reason to be a jerk to him.
Daggoth
29-07-2007 19:17:26
[quote1226190bfd="freaky1718"][quote1226190bfd="Daggoth"]Bad idea. Paypal will send the collection agency after you.[/quote1226190bfd]
awww blah they sent me to collections they cant do anything to you due to u having no ssn and if they take you to the court they will automatically lose due to him being underage so the collections company will lose out on more than 600[/quote1226190bfd]
1. Hundreds of letters/phone calls will get irritating quickly
2. They won't take him to court, so don't even consider it as an option.
zr2152
29-07-2007 19:25:53
[quote1afca6b9ca="Daggoth"][quote1afca6b9ca="freaky1718"][quote1afca6b9ca="Daggoth"]Bad idea. Paypal will send the collection agency after you.[/quote1afca6b9ca]
awww blah they sent me to collections they cant do anything to you due to u having no ssn and if they take you to the court they will automatically lose due to him being underage so the collections company will lose out on more than 600[/quote1afca6b9ca]
1. Hundreds of letters/phone calls will get irritating quickly
2. They won't take him to court, so don't even consider it as an option.[/quote1afca6b9ca]
Well usually when you ship UPS, they measure the weight of the box. If oyu had razor phones in it, then it would obviously weigh more than just a plain old box. YOu can contact UPS and tell them your situation. You can also go to the place where you shipped the box from and they will have your shipment on record.
Then you can provide paypal with all the paperwork from UPS saying that there were items in the box.
Hopefully that helps. Did you insure them? If so then youre covered.
Oh and no, paypal cannot withdrawl from your bank account.
DIABLO
29-07-2007 19:49:08
Yeah, I already tried the weight thing, but he says he got a charger and that's the only thing he got, which changed his story once again.
givmea1032
29-07-2007 20:49:06
Well if he keeps changing the story, which I'm sure has been on email, wouldn't that help in the dispute console? As long as you kept them all, first the empty one saying it was empty and then the one saying it was a charger, at least I would think
kidd2108
29-07-2007 20:50:28
[quote6737a4bf41="givmea1032"]Well if he keeps changing the story, which I'm sure has been on email, wouldn't that help in the dispute console? As long as you kept them all, first the empty one saying it was empty and then the one saying it was a charger, at least I would think[/quote6737a4bf41]
yep, thats what Im saying. If paypal doesnt see that then if a collection agency comes knocking you have something to go on.
JennyWren
29-07-2007 23:51:57
[quote32b5465347="DIABLO"][quote32b5465347="JennyWren"]How did a 14-year-old get 4 razrs to sell?[/quote32b5465347]
What? 14 year olds can't buy thing?[/quote32b5465347]
You bought 4 RAZRs?
When I was 14, I wouldn't have been able to afford 1.
x323smostwantedx
30-07-2007 00:57:58
Diablo is a balllerrrr, u wouldve sold em to me
DIABLO
30-07-2007 05:45:15
[quotec41e2fd625="JennyWren"][quotec41e2fd625="DIABLO"][quotec41e2fd625="JennyWren"]How did a 14-year-old get 4 razrs to sell?[/quotec41e2fd625]
What? 14 year olds can't buy thing?[/quotec41e2fd625]
You bought 4 RAZRs?
When I was 14, I wouldn't have been able to afford 1.[/quotec41e2fd625]
I have 12 phones. I buy them for $30, sell them for $100, buy 2 more, etc., and keep the profit. Nobody likes RAZRs except the people who don't have them, so they'll sell for $30-$40 as a buy it now but people can still get $100+ on eBay.
manOFice
30-07-2007 05:50:11
Razors suck. I have one and after a year it's shot.
DIABLO
30-07-2007 05:56:30
[quote6ee6f000c5="manOFice"]Razors suck. I have one and after a year it's shot.[/quote6ee6f000c5]
Yep, all 12 of mine are broken (
tylerc
30-07-2007 06:21:16
Mine was a piece. This Motorola E815 I have isn't that much better though.
JennyWren
30-07-2007 07:40:25
Do the people you are selling them to know that they are broken?
DIABLO
30-07-2007 07:41:41
[quote5dd48f0b63="JennyWren"]Do the people you are selling them to know that they are broken?[/quote5dd48f0b63]
The ones I sold worked, I have 12 broken ones that I'm ordering parts for once I get some cash.
egyptianruin
30-07-2007 08:45:44
Good luck DIABLO be sure to keep us up to date, I am really interested in the outcome and I hope that scammer gets a foot up his ass.
DIABLO
30-07-2007 09:24:34
[quote3525c40005="egyptianruin"]Good luck DIABLO be sure to keep us up to date, I am really interested in the outcome and I hope that scammer gets a foot up his ass.[/quote3525c40005]
Will do ) I should be fine, hope he likes pizza twisted
sandra habina
30-07-2007 14:18:34
Yes I would love to see this guy get his dues. You send all the information and paperwork to paypal - you should win the dispute/claim.
Diablo - you amaze me. So young and yet so knowlegable in many things. Good luck sweetie.
DIABLO
30-07-2007 14:31:08
[quote8146b1dc90="sandra habina"]Yes I would love to see this guy get his dues. You send all the information and paperwork to paypal - you should win the dispute/claim.
Diablo - you amaze me. So young and yet so knowlegable in many things. Good luck sweetie.[/quote8146b1dc90]
lol, thanks )
zdub08
30-07-2007 18:30:21
she wants you.
babetran
31-07-2007 13:29:10
I think you can just delete your bank account out of your paypal. That way they don't have any access to your bank.
JayKanish
31-07-2007 13:55:28
Did you send him a charger too? If so, you could add the weight of a charger and phone together to sync with the weight of the package. If not, then try checking the difference in weight between a charger and a phone. If you throw that kind of stuff in his face then it will put him on the spot and he'll either have to lie again (changing his story) or fess up.
Also, isn't there a way to track the use of the phone through the phone company or something. I'm not sure so don't hold that against me.
skepticalcynic
01-08-2007 00:45:25
Does paypal know your age?
The thing is, minors are not legally bound by any contracts whatsoever. Selling something on paypal constitutes a contract. In fact, opening a paypal account constitutes a contract. They can't get a single dime from you. When the collections agency calls, just provide them proof of your age and they'll have to drop your case.
Of course, you might not be able to get another paypal account for another 5 years, but...
TFOAF
01-08-2007 04:04:47
Yeah, good luck man. Any updated news lately?
DIABLO
01-08-2007 05:34:23
@zub - lmao
@babetran - You're not allowed to when you have a neg. balance.
@JayKanish - Nope ( And no, there's no way to track it because I didn't include a SIM card, which is what as all the phone companies data on it.
@skepticalcynic - No, they don't, but my dad has the same name as me so they might think it's him ?
@Hypocrite - Thanks ) Nothing new, he hasn't responded to my last messages so I raised it to a dispute myself. If I win, then I'm good, if I lose, I'm not paying, so it's all good )
TFOAF
01-08-2007 15:57:15
I'm a hypocrite? Why is that? lol.
DIABLO
01-08-2007 16:05:41
[quote773dcdb2e2="TFOAF"]I'm a hypocrite? Why is that? lol.[/quote773dcdb2e2]
Monday - I'll never ever drink, drinking is stupid.
Tuesday - I put mr buffalo in my pantss and he was so fun1!!11
Jeremiah1218
02-08-2007 13:12:13
I honestly don't see how you can lose this case...all the evidence and proof is in your favor. Do not go through the measures of cancelling your bank account and all that mess. The fact that his story has changed more than once should be enough to prove that he is lying about it. Good luck though and definately keep us updated.