Manual Credits- no longer accepted anymore

Live forum: http://forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=64481

turbohim

14-06-2007 20:13:45

Effective tonight, manual credit requests are no longer accepted by affiliates.

Its such ashame, sad to see whats happening.

See here
http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101771
and here
http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101913

YourGiftsFree

14-06-2007 20:16:49

Expect a lot of delays from ALL the sites in the next few days, and a lot more fraud protection. Sites will be getting stricter. 4 Main affiliates dropped out of the incentivized scene. There is too much fraud, expect a seperate announcement from YGF soon.

theman2005

14-06-2007 20:32:45

Sigh.... the end is near........

Next thing you know, all freebie sites will require IDs, forms to fill out and return, SS#s, tax forms, and all that stuff......

I do hope things will get better with tougher rules, but as a result, i think people would then have to be patient with waiting a month for their reward. It was like this back in the freepay days so its not like we haven't been in this situation. It's just newer sites providing better, faster service and payment.

Well... that's about all i have to say.

manOFice

14-06-2007 20:33:52

[quote9212dfc405="theman2005"]Sigh.... the end is near........

Next thing you know, all freebie sites will require IDs, forms to fill out and return, SS#s, tax forms, and all that stuff......

I do hope things will get better with tougher rules, but as a result, i think people would then have to be patient with waiting a month for their reward. It was like this back in the freepay days so its not like we haven't been in this situation. It's just newer sites providing better, faster service and payment.

Well... that's about all i have to say.[/quote9212dfc405]

Most sites will require ID, forms, etc....not all but most I would say.

It's only for the best to stay alive.

moviemadnessman

14-06-2007 20:49:08

All I can say is this will make my job easier and harder at the same time ...

aviendha47

14-06-2007 21:04:08

It's sad that some people don't stay honest and just follow directions. Good luck to all you site owners.

puppeteer

14-06-2007 22:32:00

omg

I JUST started this business 30days ago and making so much money!!!

ERR SCAMMER

i just got first my one (

from ogf.... damn it

FreeEnterprize Joe

14-06-2007 22:35:38

Freebies are not supposed to be considered a 'business' - it's a way to try out some pretty cool services while getting some neat expensive stuff along the way..

puppeteer

14-06-2007 22:44:47

[quote3e10bbc69c="FreeEnterprize Joe"]Freebies are not supposed to be considered a 'business' - it's a way to try out some pretty cool services while getting some neat expensive stuff along the way..[/quote3e10bbc69c]

oh ok, joe! thanks for clearing that

Now Im gonna go and msg all the users and tell them that this should not be considered as a business ) theyre about 25,000 ppl in FIPG and like maybe more in other forums

littlefish2

14-06-2007 22:58:28

well the emails are coming in at steady 5 minute intervals now......
this whole (non) business is going to go through a major overhaul!!
Hang on to your seats folks, gonna be a bumpy ride!!!

Arrow789

14-06-2007 23:10:06

I hope they root out scammers as much as possible.

gambit00x

14-06-2007 23:45:50

Well if the changes are for the better, we'll all benefit in the long run

Bentley

15-06-2007 00:11:26

So are people blaming this on the people who are getting like $10k+ doing DIY sites? That what is sounds like to me, I knew it was too good to be true theres no way people are making THAT much when your doing DIY sites and paying for all those services at the same time.

stueybaby17

15-06-2007 03:19:42

Well I've gone down to working on only one site and thinking about just calling it quits altogether. But this will probably seal the deal. . . ?

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 04:10:43

I wonder if this affects the manual credit requests from weeks ago...

JUNIOR6886

15-06-2007 04:16:15

And here i was about to start a ygf site for a camcorder. But without manuel credito, i dont think so

manOFice

15-06-2007 04:21:50

[quote655766430e="tinkerjenn"]I wonder if this affects the manual credit requests from weeks ago...[/quote655766430e]

Most current manual credit request...will be denied

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 04:24:40

grreeeeeaaaattttttt...

looks like I won't be completing any sites soon grr

weebles_five

15-06-2007 04:53:54

Just when I was starting to see light at the end of the tunnel... ?

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 04:58:03

me too (

I wonder if paying on approval would have helped this

TryinToGetPaid

15-06-2007 05:17:57

It would have. There is frauders who just do offers, go red but steal your money. And their are frauders who sign up - use proxies and sign up under themselves. The second one we can stop - the 1st one is what is up in the air. Hopefully all these new measures will protect the users, and the companies involved.

If you are a legit user - you have nothing to worry about.

MyungChunHa

15-06-2007 05:22:35

Damn, my payment on macrobucks got delayed and I was beginning to hate that site, but apparently it's not just them...

No manuel requests either? I might as well quit, doesn't seem fair to legit users that if they don't get credit but did everything they were supposed to do, they don't ever stand a chance

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 05:25:19

exactly. crediting has been a problem, but now not being able to submit manual requests pretty much kills it.

weebles_five

15-06-2007 05:37:17

It's gonna come down to luck...lucky if you get your credit.

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 05:42:34

exactly. There have been alot of problems getting credit even when you do EVERYTHING right.

TryinToGetPaid

15-06-2007 05:53:04

I disagree - most of the time, people do not clear cookies and cache between offers - we have seen about 75% of our user base try and do Bargain Homes along with Bargain Motors (both are now gone) I have seen only ONE person get credit for both of them - everyone else just got credit for one.

If you do everything right - there will be no problem in getting credit.

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 05:55:44

I wish that were the case. I clear cache and cookies every time, and I still had to submit manual requests.

TryinToGetPaid

15-06-2007 05:57:48

Also (Not saying you) many people do offers which are always manually credited - yet send in a ticket after 5 minutes wanting to know where their credit was.

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 05:59:42

some of those actually see that it says "credits instant" and believe it.

ILoveToys

15-06-2007 06:02:14

[quote33369b7fc7="tinkerjenn"]some of those actually see that it says "credits instant" and believe it.[/quote33369b7fc7]

That's because there was a time when it was true for most of them, and their are also still offers (or were before they got pulled) today that still do. In fact yesterday I did 2 offers on yourfree360games.com and both credited within an hour. That's close enough for me I guess.

Money_Vortex

15-06-2007 06:11:44

Ok, assuming that the bugs are worked out of this system ( and I think much of that invluves everyone having working capitial in reserve), this IS a fabulous avenue for the advertisers to target new nilche markets.

The big comapnies like Blockbusters and such, have other marketing strategies in place, but for many of the smaller and medium size companies, the inetrnet is their main source of world exposure.

TV ads, radio ads, newspapaer ads are outside of their budgets, and Freebioe virua; marketing IS of MAJOR benefit to them.

As a rule of thumb, I think if they get 1 out of 5 people from Freebie sites to sign up and stay with their product of service, they come out way ahead in long term growth.

wasabe

15-06-2007 06:21:12

Depending on how the freebie sites themselves respond, it will either be really good for the freebie world or kill it off/do very serious damage. There is definitely a problem with the current crediting system; even if you follow all the instructions (lower security settings, clearing cookies, emptying browser cache, etc.) you may still not get credit. The way to fix this seems pretty obvious to me stop relying on cookies (which have plenty of drawbacks[=http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie#Drawbacks_of_cookies]plenty of drawbacks) and switch the crediting apparatus to something more reliable. If the freebie sites were more like Amazon.com (ie, sign up with a verifiable address and cc, and then purchase from the affiliate on-site), there wouldn't be such a problem.

ILoveToys

15-06-2007 06:22:21

Something tell me that it's not really 1 out of 5....Maybe for blockbuster yeah, but are you really going to pay $80/month for non FDA approved weight loss supplements when really all you need to do is get off the couch and go ride a bike or something?

I can't imagine how those types of offers make any money this way. All they end up doing is sending out trials of their product and then getting cancels up the wazoo.

jy3

15-06-2007 06:28:26

lol didny see this thread when i created mine b/c i figured this topic was not "off-topic"
anyway, my thread can be used for posting which sites are doing this (which i assume will be all)

i was just going to retire from doing these sites anyway.
also, sometimes no matter whether you do everything by the books you do not get credit.

i think a much better way to have gone about this would have been to extend the manual crediting and approval times. wait until you know for sure that the payment will stick -> they pay the user

manOFice

15-06-2007 06:31:11

[quotec97cdc4e18="jy3"]lol didny see this thread when i created mine b/c i figured this topic was not "off-topic"
anyway, my thread can be used for posting which sites are doing this (which i assume will be all)

i was just going to retire from doing these sites anyway.
also, sometimes no matter whether you do everything by the books you do not get credit.

i think a much better way to have gone about this would have been to extend the manual crediting and approval times. wait until you know for sure that the payment will stick -> they pay the user[/quotec97cdc4e18]

Every single site will be doing this.

Money_Vortex

15-06-2007 06:36:31

Welll, in the case of a non FDA weight loss suppliment that cost $80 a month I suspect the manufacture's cost is around $ 5 to $ 10 dollars a month. Whatever the case, it is surely a HUGE market up.

How do they move those products. Retail stores. Doubtfully.

MLM marketing. Very dicey with poor products and a poor network marketing.

Banner Ads?

E-zines?

Spam?

Really is hard to move those type of products.

Viraul marketing is a viable means.

Of course there are better products and services than your Essential Living product lines that could benefit from this form of marketing, imho.

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 07:05:04

I'm hoping that the sites will accept faxed of ID.

ILoveToys

15-06-2007 07:27:56

[quote3058139c57="Money_Vortex"]Welll, in the case of a non FDA weight loss suppliment that cost $80 a month I suspect the manufacture's cost is around $ 5 to $ 10 dollars a month. Whatever the case, it is surely a HUGE market up.

How do they move those products. Retail stores. Doubtfully.

MLM marketing. Very dicey with poor products and a poor network marketing.

Banner Ads?

E-zines?

Spam?

Really is hard to move those type of products.

Viraul marketing is a viable means.

Of course there are better products and services than your Essential Living product lines that could benefit from this form of marketing, imho.[/quote3058139c57]

Oh I don't think they're losing money on the pills they send out for trials. I think they're losing their butt when they have to pay for crappy leads.

lorny35

15-06-2007 07:30:18

I have a user that just got put on hold because his address isn't in the phone book. This seems strange to me. I have an unlisted number, so I am not in the phone book either. I don't get that.
But I personally don't see a problem with the sites asking for an ID. It may stop some of the fraud, and scare the scammers away!!
I think, given some time, this might not be a bad thing.
I mean, come on, you go and get a new job. Don't they need a copy of your ID? Yes.
And if someone is afraid to prove they are legit, then chances are they probably are not.
I am no longer paying on green. Approval all the way. I had a ref go red all over the place for multiple IP's, fake names and emails. He did 5 sites for me, so now I have 5 paypal disputes open for 1 person. It is truly getting out of hand.
Anything to stop the scammers is worth a shot, in my opinion.

laurelwm

15-06-2007 07:30:31

[quote76ef413419="ILoveToys"]Something tell me that it's not really 1 out of 5....Maybe for blockbuster yeah, but are you really going to pay $80/month for non FDA approved weight loss supplements when really all you need to do is get off the couch and go ride a bike or something?

I can't imagine how those types of offers make any money this way. All they end up doing is sending out trials of their product and then getting cancels up the wazoo.[/quote76ef413419]

Don't know for sure, but my guess would be that they make money on the "Free trials" that they send out with the highly inflated S&H (and processing fees on some), so anybody that actually stays is a bonus, plus the people that are late calling and get charged anyway...........

ILoveToys

15-06-2007 07:38:37

Most of the shipping and handling fees are 10 bucks or less. Someone is losing their butt, when a person signs up and gets paid roughly 40 or 50 bucks for doing so, and I don't think it's the site owners or the affiliates, so that leaves the advertisers.

Fr1zzank

15-06-2007 07:38:46

Well, the whole thing seems scary, but now maybe we'll only get people serious in this; not just those interested in making a quick couple $100 doing offers for people.

I was having a hard time as it was, maybe this will make it better? Let's hope.

ajasax

15-06-2007 07:38:48

It seems that now affiliates can deny credit for any reason whatsoever w/o explaining to the freebie site/end user roll There's now no way you can "dispute" non-credit. It's more of a click-the-link-and-cross-your-fingers-approach ?

Mrck_421

15-06-2007 08:43:54

So could one of the site moderators please explain everything that is going to be new?

Is there going to be any manual creditting at all?

What all are we going to have to include when we send you our information?

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 08:45:23

there will no longer be any manual credits. period.

turbohim

15-06-2007 08:54:54

the offers LOSE $1000's of dollars, thats the problem since everyone cancels

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 08:58:10

Not everyone cancels, thank you

turbohim

15-06-2007 09:07:41

okay ill change it to the 95% that do.

but like it or not, that is the main reason offers are dropping out of the incent world.

good2speed

15-06-2007 09:08:37

[quote5762f23505="turbohim"]the offers LOSE $1000's of dollars, thats the problem since everyone cancels[/quote5762f23505]

garbage you cant punish the customers for bad business decisions made by the advertisers/free site owners. The advertisers/affiliates have pushed these offers and the free site owners have gladly accepted and allowed their users to do offers that you one can assume no one would be interested in doing. You freesite owners link your sites up and encourage users to do all of your sites and sometimes even repeat sites. You dont care what offers your users do as long as the advertisers/affiliates pay you out.

IMHO, Free site owners who went to extreme lengths to ensure they had the most offers available are the ones at fault. They are the ones who made the most innocuous offers available to all of us. You cant blame us for trying offers and then canceling if we were not satisfied. Proving that I had no interest in trying the offer is impossible.

If a user tries an offer and is not satisfied then he/she has the right to cancel, no matter what costs to the manufacturer/advertiser/company. Im sorry to hear of fraudulent users ruining a good thing but the ones who tried the offer but were not satisified should not be punished.

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 09:08:38

I think this will effectively kill the market. I've never frauded, and this just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

turbohim

15-06-2007 09:12:41

im not trying to start an argument or anything, you have a right to cancel but think about this

advertiser (ie. Bargain Autos) pays a freebie site $20 to get a user to sign up for there $1.00 trial. so right there they lose $19. 100 people sign up, so they pay out $2000 to freebie sites. out of those 100, 90 cancel, 10 get charged $9.99 for the trial. so they make $99.99 off of charging people, but pay out $2000...

good2speed

15-06-2007 09:15:00

[quotef6b7523c57="turbohim"]im not trying to start an argument or anything, you have a right to cancel but think about this

advertiser (ie. Bargain Autos) pays a freebie site $20 to get a user to sign up for there $1.00 trial. so right there they lose $19. 100 people sign up, so they pay out $2000 to freebie sites. out of those 100, 90 cancel, 10 get charged $9.99 for the trial. so they make $99.99 off of charging people, but pay out $2000...[/quotef6b7523c57]

think about this. Bad decison by the advertiser. Stop pushing a product/service that people are unlikley to enjoy. If you have a legitmate product/servcie then people will stay on if not stop spending so much on advertising a product/service nobody wants. MAybe they learned there business fate by people canceling

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 09:15:41

that's their decision to market like that. No one is MAKING them do incentivized marketing.

moviemadnessman

15-06-2007 09:16:57

[quotec5ef9c55a5="good2speed"]Im sorry to hear of fraudulent users ruining a good thing but the ones who tried the offer but were not satisified should not be punished.[/quotec5ef9c55a5]True. But then, how do we prove that you canceled because you didn't like a product over you canceling because you just want to get paid?

turbohim

15-06-2007 09:17:05

exactly, i know. thats why the freebie scene is coming to an end

good2speed

15-06-2007 09:17:52

[quote1667759d3a="moviemadnessman"][quote1667759d3a="good2speed"]Im sorry to hear of fraudulent users ruining a good thing but the ones who tried the offer but were not satisified should not be punished.[/quote1667759d3a]True. But then, how do we prove that you canceled because you didn't like a product over you canceling because you just want to get paid?[/quote1667759d3a]

exactly you cant

moviemadnessman

15-06-2007 09:18:52

And unfortunately, that's exactly why we are all being punished (

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 09:19:57

why should you prove it? It is the company's decision to market like this. They have to accept the good and the bad.

turbohim

15-06-2007 09:21:45

tinker, i dont know if you're arguing or what but what you are saying is exactly the reason why the scene is dying. The companies are getting sick of all the fraud and early cancellations... if you were losing $1900 every 100 users, why would you want to stay here?

good2speed

15-06-2007 09:23:08

[quotefbd3e4998f="moviemadnessman"]And unfortunately, that's exactly why we are all being punished ([/quotefbd3e4998f]

fine I can man up and deal with it but tell your boy to stop pinning the blame on us. You guys encourage us to try offers and we did so. We tried the offer but were not satisfied and canceled before the trial period ended. Its not our fault that a majority of users canceled as well. That just tells me the product sucks. Basically I can understand a business realizing their products sucks and pulling the offer but I was getting a little p'd off by that other dude trying to put the blame on us.

good2speed

15-06-2007 09:24:07

[quote148837e5f3="turbohim"]tinker, i dont know if you're arguing or what but what you are saying is exactly the reason why the scene is dying. The companies are getting sick of all the fraud and early cancellations... if you were losing $1900 every 100 users, why would you want to stay here?[/quote148837e5f3]

stop sucking up to the advertisers. There products suck if users are canceling.

turbohim

15-06-2007 09:25:15

how many of those users actually get the product? wink

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 09:26:09

I'm saying that you assume the risk when you make the decision to use incentivized marketing. It is not up to the affiliate network to "prove" anything. I think they lose a great deal less dooing it this way rather than pay-per-click marketing. lishrugli

I admit that the fraud sucks. I've done a TON of offers and never did them just to get the reward. I've cancelled some, kept others and even re-signed up later when I decided I wanted the product (not through a freebie site).

I think everyone loses with this decision. The users, the freebie sites and the affiliates (to a much less degree) are going to suffer.

good2speed

15-06-2007 09:26:29

[quote30ef284184="turbohim"]how many of those users actually get the product? wink[/quote30ef284184]

give me a list of offers that got pulled

turbohim

15-06-2007 09:28:50

-The following offers will no longer accept cash incentives effective IMMEDIATELY
261 Bargain Autos
266 Bargain Homes


-The following offers will expire at 6PM EST tomorrow
103 20 Minute Facelift
511 The Scrap Book Club
612 [Email Submit] YourTopBrands - Free Apple TV
622 YourTopBrands - Smoking Survey
623 Instant Grant Finder
627 Google Home Business Kit
628 Wines Across America
Shopping Jobs
Hydroderm
Xhobatol
PeoplePC
Award Winning PC Booster
EphedraRx - Buy 3 Get 1 Free!
Actiprill - Energy Boost (Free Trial!)
CellaDermô Self Tanning Mousse
Floam (Fun for Kids!)
ViewCatcher Digital BinoCam
ePen Home Electrolysis System liExclusiveli
Free High-Speed Internet for 1 Year
Official Unclaimed Funds
Ultimate liBathroomli Makover worth $50,000!
FREE Jesus T-Shirt liExclusiveli
IBM ViaVoice
7UP or Sprite Survey - Get $10!
FREE Holy Bible liExclusiveli
McDonald's or Burger King Survey - Get $10!
Extreme liKitchenli Makeover worth $50,000!
Registry Defender
Smart Bargains Bed and Bath Liquidation
My Nabyoo
MyFax
Relasomô Sleep Formula
National Survey Search
Silvertag Auctions
No Cost Celebrity Wallpapers
Heart Guardian
YourFreeCreditReportOnline
eAuctionSuccess (Free Trial)
GameFly Subscription
Sleep Aid - Prescription Strength, All Natural
Players Vacation Club
Occulence Vision Formula
Classmates.com
Essential Living - Weight Loss - Free Trial
Auction Plus - Free Trial
Brazilian Slim Combo
Quick Books Package
Google Home Business Kit

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 09:30:13

THE END IS NIEGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

good2speed

15-06-2007 09:31:00

[quoteaee2ff9721="turbohim"]-The following offers will no longer accept cash incentives effective IMMEDIATELY
261 Bargain Autos
266 Bargain Homes


-The following offers will expire at 6PM EST tomorrow
103 20 Minute Facelift
511 The Scrap Book Club
612 [Email Submit] YourTopBrands - Free Apple TV
622 YourTopBrands - Smoking Survey
623 Instant Grant Finder
627 Google Home Business Kit
628 Wines Across America
Shopping Jobs
Hydroderm
Xhobatol
PeoplePC
Award Winning PC Booster
EphedraRx - Buy 3 Get 1 Free!
Actiprill - Energy Boost (Free Trial!)
CellaDermô Self Tanning Mousse
Floam (Fun for Kids!)
ViewCatcher Digital BinoCam
ePen Home Electrolysis System liExclusiveli
Free High-Speed Internet for 1 Year
Official Unclaimed Funds
Ultimate liBathroomli Makover worth $50,000!
FREE Jesus T-Shirt liExclusiveli
IBM ViaVoice
7UP or Sprite Survey - Get $10!
FREE Holy Bible liExclusiveli
McDonald's or Burger King Survey - Get $10!
Extreme liKitchenli Makeover worth $50,000!
Registry Defender
Smart Bargains Bed and Bath Liquidation
My Nabyoo
MyFax
Relasomô Sleep Formula
National Survey Search
Silvertag Auctions
No Cost Celebrity Wallpapers
Heart Guardian
YourFreeCreditReportOnline
eAuctionSuccess (Free Trial)
GameFly Subscription
Sleep Aid - Prescription Strength, All Natural
Players Vacation Club
Occulence Vision Formula
Classmates.com
Essential Living - Weight Loss - Free Trial
Auction Plus - Free Trial
Brazilian Slim Combo
Quick Books Package
Google Home Business Kit[/quoteaee2ff9721]

shockers except gamefly. Let me guess Blockbuster and Netflix are still sticking around?

paidclubadmin

15-06-2007 09:36:54

Two things Firstly we no longer accept manual requests at ThePaidClub

Secondly, you can all keep tabs on what is happening here

http//rewardingreviews.blogspot.com/

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 09:38:07

I know.. mine was denied after waiting for over a month.

moviemadnessman

15-06-2007 09:44:55

[quotec57dbf2e74="good2speed"][quotec57dbf2e74="moviemadnessman"]And unfortunately, that's exactly why we are all being punished ([/quotec57dbf2e74]

fine I can man up and deal with it but tell your boy to stop pinning the blame on us. You guys encourage us to try offers and we did so. We tried the offer but were not satisfied and canceled before the trial period ended. Its not our fault that a majority of users canceled as well. That just tells me the product sucks. Basically I can understand a business realizing their products sucks and pulling the offer but I was getting a little p'd off by that other dude trying to put the blame on us.[/quotec57dbf2e74]I can only do so much as support, and I like to think I do a good job. I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to say about the changes brought on by fraud, since the changes are across the board ?

booklover1104

15-06-2007 09:51:09

I'm shocked about Gamefly too...excellent service. I signed up as an offer 2 months ago and I'm still with the company...my kids LOVE getting new games in the mail.

Maybe they were actually losing games to scammers (if frauding with false info was THAT common).

Denise07

15-06-2007 09:52:04

Wow, just saw all the offers that are being pulled. Will there be a freebie scene left after tomorrow?

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 09:53:50

It doesn't look like it.

I hope we can still get compensated for what we have done - even if it means we can't complete the site.

TryinToGetPaid

15-06-2007 09:55:51

Yes there will be a freebie scene, but in order to protect everyone there has to be new measures put in to place to make sure the current offers we have now - stay. And if they stay and see an increase in GOOD leads - then we can hopefully see a rise in NEW offers.

booklover1104

15-06-2007 09:56:53

This is a totally uneducated suggestion...so, forgive me if I seem presumptuous Can freebie sites find "good" affiliate offers thru other avenues besides those few major "middle men" like Nexus Leads, Revenue Universe, etc...?

It just seems like there's a "become an affiliate" link on EVERY website these days...

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 09:59:41

Good point, Book

bruman

15-06-2007 10:01:21

turbohim is just trying to scare everyone into thinking the freebie scene is dying for some reason. It's not. It's going to be here for a long time still. Sure, no manual credit, it might make it a little harder but I do not see any evidence the entire freebie scene is going to die.

That offer list he posted, MORE THAN HALF were never incentivized in the first place. Offers are constantly going in and out of the loop. More than likely, a lot of those offers will be back or are still around on other affiliate networks.

zecritr

15-06-2007 10:10:05

yeah telling people hope for the best if youi get green i will pay you in amonth so cross your fingers.yep that is going to encourage people to try offers.

I'm still going to try and definetly train people right but if the owners and the forums don't get some good rules going and quickly, the freebie sites might be here still but just barely

legit4biz

15-06-2007 11:01:26

I used to work for a cable company that did lots of free offers, giveaways, etc. Don't forget about sponsor donations. For instance if we were to promote a certain channel (over another) on ads, commercials, etc, they would give us paraphanalia, funds, free weekend previews featuring thier channel, and cash prizes for employees who sold their product the most. None of the money for this came out of the cable company's pocket. These diet plan/pill folks have companies that they deal with too. Different ingredients that they "PROMOTE" (green tea/hoodia/gurauna/you name it, come from labs, other companies whatever. Those folks are obviously giving them a pretty penny for chosing their agent over others, and for talking up that 'awesome super pound shedding' ingredient here's another $xxx,xxx !!! Put us on the front label and 'cha-ching!'. So they're not digging too deeply into their pockets to market/promote, free trial. When that happens, prices go up, free trials stop, and contracts start. Same with cable. All industry is basically the same. If it don't make money, it don't make sense (cents).

sandra habina

15-06-2007 11:21:30

I noticed alot of those offers were not the ones on freebie sites, and I do believe many affiliates will be back - possibly with a different product. Everyone is in an uproar - settle down, don't panic. It will be different but I do not think - it is the end. Hang in there. I am remaining positive for now.

PS I want to add that when I started 6 months ago nearly every trader was paying on approval, now everyone is paying on green - so we have encouraged the scammers to seek us out. I think paying on approval is the way to go for now or at least soon. When we can get these things settled down. Just a thought. Good luck to all. )

manOFice

15-06-2007 11:27:20

Exactly people, these changes are just to better us. There are still offers, crediting is fine, you will still get paid for doing what you're doing. Just have to have patience with the system now, nothing is going to be quick.

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 11:34:16

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I've always paid on approval

legit4biz

15-06-2007 11:37:31

btw I was responding to what laurel, lorny, and Ilovetoys were discussing at the end of the first page. Some of what I said may apply to the topics on the second page too, but before I could type that thread another whole page had been posted shock

I am totally new to this concept, but from my business world experience, change always seems spooky, apocalyptic, and lethal at first. Until it proves itself to be that, I think we're only speaking a bunch of negativity into existance unnecessarily. I really believe that this tightening up will scare away the wishy-washy and uncommitted. Which is obviously good for all true-blues involved. I think there is faaaaaaaarrrr too much money being made by the companies involved for this to suddenly dry up and blow away. Just MHO.. )

egyptianruin

15-06-2007 12:10:49

In order to get good leads free-sites should not be relying on freebie forums for their customer base. We all know that users here, A4F and FLR see the freebie site as a business; they are not the leads that campaigns want - this is the outcome.

Missing credits will be denied, payments are moving to Net30 and campaigns are pulling out left and right. Users are using prepaid credit cards (FRAUD) and fake information (FRAUD) canceling before even receiving the trial (FRAUD) and repeating offers (FRAUD).

To see users complain about this makes me sick.

Getstuff4free Kyle

15-06-2007 12:14:14

[quote5cd3da214e="booklover1104"]This is a totally uneducated suggestion...so, forgive me if I seem presumptuous Can freebie sites find "good" affiliate offers thru other avenues besides those few major "middle men" like Nexus Leads, Revenue Universe, etc...?
[/quote5cd3da214e]

Not without much difficulty. Incentivized sites usually have to work to get other affiliates and even then, I've heard enough horror stories of them changing their minds and not paying out to incentivized sites to decide to stick with RevU, LeadGains, AdExhibit, etc.

Jenne1975

15-06-2007 12:17:46

I think everyone should pay on APPROVAL. Make it a rule like the rule on spamming. D It would get rid of the most of the frauders. Plus us traders wont loose money if they go RED. That and I dont mind showing a picture ID to get money. Its just like having to go to the bank.

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 12:19:25

So even the users here who do NOT fraud sites have no right to complain?

Big War Bird

15-06-2007 12:23:02

Yes forum users are the worst thing in the world for sponsors. Most of use have or are trying to turn their adverstising dollars into our own little cash cows.

It is going to shake out that freebie pros like us are going to have to work harder to find people willing to trying sponosr offers more on their own merit

jy3

15-06-2007 12:43:53

[quote1264a60b42="egyptianruin"]In order to get good leads free-sites should not be relying on freebie forums for their customer base. We all know that users here, A4F and FLR see the freebie site as a business; they are not the leads that campaigns want - this is the outcome.

Missing credits will be denied, payments are moving to Net30 and campaigns are pulling out left and right. Users are using prepaid credit cards (FRAUD) and fake information (FRAUD) canceling before even receiving the trial (FRAUD) and repeating offers (FRAUD).

To see users complain about this makes me sick.[/quote1264a60b42]

then be ill.

This is not Bush America anymore, the place where discontent could not be voiced because it was unAmerican.
I will be unFreebiefriendly

I understand where this is all coming from and if it ends up that this is the only solution that will allow these sites to stay in business then bravo for figuring something out.

I also understand that the current business model in a way created this problem itself. Sites are pressured by users like us who understand how to efficiently acquire refs and do offers in order to, in the end, get prizes. When we complain that site A does not approve in 14 days like site B, then site A has to change their policy. This leads to them paying people before all of the leads are payed for by the advertisers. Then if users fraud they are screwed b/c they cannot get that money back.
Now things have changed in two years since I looked into all of this and maybe payments are quicker but I really feel that the competitive nature of this business may have hurt it.
I am not taking the blame off of defrauders but you have to realize that sites set themselves up for this, in some ways.
I also think it is BS for a site to say that approaching this as a business should not occur. Anyone who invests time and money into a task without approaching it in a manner of efficiency is an imbecile. NO, there should never be frauding like doing an offer more than once, referring yourself, walking someone thru, having more than one account per household, putting down false information but to claim that people who are intelligent and maximize their efforts are at fault is bunk. That goes to show that the true motivation for some of these sites is for their users to NOT finish the sites. They are interested in money - maximize profit and minimize return. Why is it sinful if I do the same while following rules?
I say keep manual credits but make them take long enough that you can confirm someone will not be red before you pay out the money.
I also think that blanket credit removal has to happen but I think the problem is with the advertisers withdrawing money. I do not see how they can turn around and take money away from the incentive site legally. The incentive site provided the lead, that is what they are there for.
anyway, i have said enough on this topic.
what does this mean for me, a user who has followed the rules? Not much. I am still paying for refs after approval as I have nearly always done. I doubt I will ever do an offer myself again, though. I will likely only finish sites i have already been credited on.

good2speed

15-06-2007 12:51:21

paying on approval wont work.

1. Too much potential to scam. I can setup a trade on every major site and plan it out accordingly so every site will be finished at approximately the same time. Lets say I have over 18 sites Im setting up and have about 90-130 users waiting for me to go to approval. I can then get the last referrals for each of those sites and then cash out never to be heard of again.

2. waiting times wont work. If im someone first referral for desktopcs I dont want to have to wait for that user to get 11 more referrals for that site.

Jenne1975

15-06-2007 13:04:27

Too bad there wasnt a way that sites could make sure the person paid everyone. Before they let that person put in there order. shock That way the person cant run away with the money b4 paying everyone and frauders dont get paid cause we know they are red already. I know its too much work. But it was another thought. Dumb huh....but i can dream. D

good2speed

15-06-2007 13:08:50

[quote4a7c4d085b="Jenne1975"]Too bad there wasnt a way that sites could make sure the person paid everyone. Before they let that person put in there order. shock That way the person cant run away with the money b4 paying everyone and frauders dont get paid cause we know they are red already. I know its too much work. But it was another thought. Dumb huh....but i can dream. D[/quote4a7c4d085b]

avertising sites dont pay their employees to handle these kind of matters. The best solution would be to have forum mods handle the arangement but I know they have regular jobs themselves and wouldnt want the extra work

alan4561

15-06-2007 13:29:43

It is a shame. These rule changes just make it harder for a person to go green if they don't green instantly, and now no recourse if they are reversed after going green. It has put me off of trading right now until I see where this will lead to in the long run.I jusfeel like we are all being censured for what scammers did to them, and we are the ones who have to weather the backlash.

egyptianruin

15-06-2007 13:40:52

[quoted786492c4b="jy3"]
I say keep manual credits but make them take long enough that you can confirm someone will not be red before you pay out the money.
I also think that blanket credit removal has to happen but I think the problem is with the advertisers withdrawing money. I do not see how they can turn around and take money away from the incentive site legally. The incentive site provided the lead, that is what they are there for.
anyway, i have said enough on this topic.
what does this mean for me, a user who has followed the rules? Not much. I am still paying for refs after approval as I have nearly always done. I doubt I will ever do an offer myself again, though. I will likely only finish sites i have already been credited on.[/quoted786492c4b]

1. Manual Credits will not be accepted anymore. The publishers do not want them, the merchants hate them and they are almost always denied because of guess what? FRAUD. Yes, people were even frauding manual credits, in fact we even found places talking about HOW to fraud manual credits and even trading confirmation letters with one another. So no, they will not be accepted in any way, shape or form.

Freebies for users should NOT be a business, this is not a way to make money and yes we are all to blame (site owners and users alike) for making it appear as though it were.

On a side note I am going through all the accounts on RevU and reversing credits for ANYONE I find having complete a repeat offer EVER. So for those of you who have frauded, be prepared.

Sites are now on lock down for fraud, they will be terminated from their publisher if significant fraud is discovered so in the end you will still not get your money. Users who have been caught, you will be banned from free sites universally, forums and from completing offers, plus we report you to the merchants as well for them to pursue action themselves because they are pissed.

egyptianruin

15-06-2007 13:42:19

[quotee63926b325="alan4561"]It is a shame. These rule changes just make it harder for a person to go green if they don't green instantly, and now no recourse if they are reversed after going green. It has put me off of trading right now until I see where this will lead to in the long run.I jusfeel like we are all being censured for what scammers did to them, and we are the ones who have to weather the backlash.[/quotee63926b325]

This is not punishment. Would you rather us get stricter or just close up shop now and say sorry no one gets anything, good bye?

MovinForward

15-06-2007 14:05:18

I think it's fine to view it as a business. Why not? When I started, I did offers that looked interesting to me. I still have many of those offers - I love my Boca Java membership (just one of the several that I kept) and I never did get credit for that offer. I look for other people who I feel would also like to try some of these "free" products and get paid for doing it. What is the harm? or, I should say "What is the harm as long as everyone behaves in a morally correct manner". Therein lies the problem. We all know that the world is filled with dishonest people. I don't think this is the end of the IFW's, I think it's going to change for the better. I also only paid on approval until recently. So many people refused to trade with me because I did not pay them on green that I had to change and go with the flow of paying on green. I will change back immediately. If I have to wait to get paid from the site, that's fine with me - but then the referral that "works" for me should also wait. I think paying on approval will knock out a lot of the scammers. I wish I had remembered to bookmark the article that I read this morning on Digg.com (?) it talked about the biggest slice of the blame pie lies with kids (anyone under 18) going out and buying prepaid cards and using them to commit fraud with the IFW's. I understand that there are IFW's that are owned by kids! people who are not even old enough to legally enter into a binding contract in this country. Of course that could be the key, maybe these very young site owners are not in the U.S. Anyway, I'm rambling - my point is that I don't see a problem with viewing this a business if it's approached honestly. If I can pay someone to try a product and that person likes the product so much that they are willing to keep it, then everybody wins. There would not be "free" trial products in abundance - all over the place - if the concept didn't work and bringing those products together in one convenient place was and is a brilliant idea.

WhyPayItsFree

15-06-2007 14:19:16

I fail to understand why this is becoming such a big issue.

[b5ecf8468db]You are supposed to do offers ONLY if you are interested in the products / services offered by the advertiser. A credit is just a bonus, NOTHING Else.[/b5ecf8468db]

If you are interested in any product / service, you would purchase it anyway, (regardless of credit) and probably not get any incentive.

You are not loosing anything by trying to get a credit on an incentive site. If it does not credit, you have nothing to loose.

jdizzle314

15-06-2007 14:25:25

That is not true 100% true it is all the way you look at it. Lets just say i do an offer and dont get credit. But i continue to do reffer people to your site spending hundreds of dollars thinking i am going to see a profit when my manual comes in. I see your point but you have to look at the other picture

jy3

15-06-2007 14:36:50

i dont think this is an issue at all. as i said if it has to happen, it has to happen.
i take exception to posts like those of egyptianruin who imply that we should not be discussing this.
i think a lack of manual credits is something to complain about.

also, another aspect of the freebie business model is that they did not adequately access their risk. in all business u take risk and freebie sites were not adequately prepared or insured for this. that is the fault of the sites.

as for calling a credit only a bonus that is complete bull shit. saying otherwise is naive and trying to avoid the true nature of the sites.

that is like saying that an appetizer is a bonus at a restaurant after u pay for it.

people need to talk straight like ruin is doing and not talk in ways that it make it look like this business is not what it is.

is the payment from the advertiser a bonus for the lead u give him?

dmorris68

15-06-2007 14:47:40

[quote7e2ce4a7dc="WhyPayItsFree"]I fail to understand why this is becoming such a big issue.

[b7e2ce4a7dc]You are supposed to do offers ONLY if you are interested in the products / services offered by the advertiser. A credit is just a bonus, NOTHING Else.[/b7e2ce4a7dc]

If you are interested in any product / service, you would purchase it anyway, (regardless of credit) and probably not get any incentive.

You are not loosing anything by trying to get a credit on an incentive site. If it does not credit, you have nothing to loose.[/quote7e2ce4a7dc]
You make the valid point, as others have, however I've got to say that it isn't that black and white.

You used the word yourself "incentive"

There are many products that I'm interested in. In my over 2 years in the freebie scene, I still pay for products that I've had since my first freebie sites Gevalia, Blockbuster, Boca Java, Disney Movie Club, YourMusic, Scholastic (two different Scholastics in fact). That's just off the top of my head, and doesn't count at least as many that I kept & paid for months before canceling. However I never would have been exposed to some of these offers in the first place were it not for an interest in freebie sites and the notion of getting a little something extra for my effort. More importantly, there were some of those that I was aware of, like Blockbuster and Gevalia, and had a slight interest in, but that I had passed on until I learned I could get some prizes as a bonus. The [i7e2ce4a7dc]incentive[/i7e2ce4a7dc] of the freebie to go along with the product is what motivated me to try it. I dare say I would probably not have done 80-100% of the offers I've done and continue to pay for were it not for incentivized marketing.

So while I agree that customers should only try offers they are interested in, and I have ZERO tolerance for fraud of any kind, let's not be so naive or Pollyanna that we pretend the prospect of prizes (say that 5 times fast) should have no bearing on whether a person gives a product a shot. If too many people now feel that their chances of qualifying for an extra [i7e2ce4a7dc]incentive[/i7e2ce4a7dc] are diminished, then I think there's a good chance that the offer signups, incentivized or otherwise, will come to a near screeching halt.

If that happens, expect the sponsors to reconsider. Especially if they can get further commitment from affiliates and site owners in limiting fraud. On that note, I think a bigger problem is site owners who don't take fraud seriously enough. Many seem to have the attitude of "I don't care how much you fraud as long as the sponsor doesn't catch it and I get paid." They should be more proactive, as some of the bigger reputable sites are, in ferreting out fraud regardless of whether the offer sponsor catches it or not. And I happen to know at least one honest site owner who does this, and sends the money back to affiliates/sponsors when they pay for fraudulent leads. If more site owners were that proactive and honest, I don't think we'd be in this mess.

legit4biz

15-06-2007 14:51:52

It seems that a lot of what people are worried or upset about is from the perspective of already having a respectable trade record and being able to go for prizes and cash. What about those of us who have already invested time/money and now may not be able to even get our TR up without really big trouble. I wasn't around before all the losers (scammers, frauders, dummies) to appreciate what it used to be like. My mom and I just got into this on Sunday, like 5 days ago. We were blessed enough to run into Sandra Habina who has been a dream to work with, hence our 2 lowly TR. Now I don't know what to expect with trying to get any more TR. We have several offers pending, whose $$$ has come out of the bank, and have contacted us via email, but .... you guessed it.. NO GREEN. I guess now that it's been approx. 3-4 days or so, we can kiss those offers good-bye. So now, we have pretty much wasted all those offers, because we cannot sign up with them again. We were already starting to get limited on how many offers we could fill out as it was. So to think that now all of those sites that didn't report won't accept man cred req, it sounds kinda hopeless for anyone who has recently joined. How are we supposed to get enough TR to get where you are? Someone starting after this clears up has a chance to get greens because they have all of the offers and sites avail starting fresh with new rules. What about those of us who are trying to build our TR. We haven't even so much as put a dent in things. I really feel marooned. Some of you have had a chance to get prizes/make money. Some of you TONS. What about us? Hopefully there will be some sort of resolution that will benefit us. Guess that's what all the site disclaimers are for in the TERMS & CONDITIONS where they say that they reserve the right to deny credit to anyone at anytime for any reason, so help them GOD with no explanation, apology or warning. Oh well. I just wanted to speak up for the little newbs out there. P

topbillin1

15-06-2007 14:52:08

This "business" is doomed for failure no matter how you look at it.

topbillin1

15-06-2007 14:58:19

[quote82bf03d3a9="legit4biz"]It seems that a lot of what people are worried or upset about is from the perspective of already having a respectable trade record and being able to go for prizes and cash. What about those of us who have already invested time/money and now may not be able to even get our TR up without really big trouble. I wasn't around before all the losers (scammers, frauders, dummies) to appreciate what it used to be like. My mom and I just got into this on Sunday, like 5 days ago. We were blessed enough to run into Sandra Habina who has been a dream to work with, hence our 2 lowly TR. Now I don't know what to expect with trying to get any more TR. We have several offers pending, whose $$$ has come out of the bank, and have contacted us via email, but .... you guessed it.. NO GREEN. I guess now that it's been approx. 3-4 days or so, we can kiss those offers good-bye. So now, we have pretty much wasted all those offers, because we cannot sign up with them again. We were already starting to get limited on how many offers we could fill out as it was. So to think that now all of those sites that didn't report won't accept man cred req, it sounds kinda hopeless for anyone who has recently joined. How are we supposed to get enough TR to get where you are? Someone starting after this clears up has a chance to get greens because they have all of the offers and sites avail starting fresh with new rules. What about those of us who are trying to build our TR. We haven't even so much as put a dent in things. I really feel marooned. Some of you have had a chance to get prizes/make money. Some of you TONS. What about us? Hopefully there will be some sort of resolution that will benefit us. Guess that's what all the site disclaimers are for in the TERMS & CONDITIONS where they say that they reserve the right to deny credit to anyone at anytime for any reason, so help them GOD with no explanation, apology or warning. Oh well. I just wanted to speak up for the little newbs out there. P[/quote82bf03d3a9]

Unfortunately, you guys got into the business when the ship was sinking..... from here on out, it won't be as easy as before but you can still get some gifts that you wanted to get.

But remember.... This isn't a business and #2, the money or gift is just a incentive for trying the offer or offers.....

jy3

15-06-2007 15:01:08

[quote35e4638e2e="dmorris68"][quote35e4638e2e="WhyPayItsFree"]I fail to understand why this is becoming such a big issue.

[b35e4638e2e]You are supposed to do offers ONLY if you are interested in the products / services offered by the advertiser. A credit is just a bonus, NOTHING Else.[/b35e4638e2e]

If you are interested in any product / service, you would purchase it anyway, (regardless of credit) and probably not get any incentive.

You are not loosing anything by trying to get a credit on an incentive site. If it does not credit, you have nothing to loose.[/quote35e4638e2e]
You make the valid point, as others have, however I've got to say that it isn't that black and white.

You used the word yourself "incentive"



There are many products that I'm interested in. In my over 2 years in the freebie scene, I still pay for products that I've had since my first freebie sites Gevalia, Blockbuster, Boca Java, Disney Movie Club, YourMusic, Scholastic (two different Scholastics in fact). That's just off the top of my head, and doesn't count at least as many that I kept & paid for months before canceling. However I never would have been exposed to some of these offers in the first place were it not for an interest in freebie sites and the notion of getting a little something extra for my effort. More importantly, there were some of those that I was aware of, like Blockbuster and Gevalia, and had a slight interest in, but that I had passed on until I learned I could get some prizes as a bonus. The [i35e4638e2e]incentive[/i35e4638e2e] of the freebie to go along with the product is what motivated me to try it. I dare say I would probably not have done 80-100% of the offers I've done and continue to pay for were it not for incentivized marketing.

So while I agree that customers should only try offers they are interested in, and I have ZERO tolerance for fraud of any kind, let's not be so naive or Pollyanna that we pretend the prospect of prizes (say that 5 times fast) should have no bearing on whether a person gives a product a shot. If too many people now feel that their chances of qualifying for an extra [i35e4638e2e]incentive[/i35e4638e2e] are diminished, then I think there's a good chance that the offer signups, incentivized or otherwise, will come to a near screeching halt.

If that happens, expect the sponsors to reconsider. Especially if they can get further commitment from affiliates and site owners in limiting fraud. On that note, I think a bigger problem is site owners who don't take fraud seriously enough. Many seem to have the attitude of "I don't care how much you fraud as long as the sponsor doesn't catch it and I get paid." They should be more proactive, as some of the bigger reputable sites are, in ferreting out fraud regardless of whether the offer sponsor catches it or not. And I happen to know at least one honest site owner who does this, and sends the money back to affiliates/sponsors when they pay for fraudulent leads. If more site owners were that proactive and honest, I don't think we'd be in this mess.[/quote35e4638e2e]

i can always count on dmorris saying what i really mean in a better way than me )

legit4biz

15-06-2007 15:06:13

In response to the Why Pay Its Free Rep.

You're kidding, right? ?

First of all, people will try the offers because they're interested. However saying that they're suppose to try them without worrying about credit... ? ? ? Forgive me, but is Wal-Mart/Lowe's/Blockbuster/Mom & Pop whoever going to give me a Plasma TV if I refer a few friends to shop there? Maybe I'm shopping at the wrong locations. Sites offer "incentives" for purchasing products THROUGH THE WEBSITE. I can get this stuff via telephone, mail order, publisher's clearing house, walk-in shopping - you name it. The reason why I, or anyone else would consider going through a freebie site, recruiting people, and doing the marketing and promotion for these sites is to - GET FREE STUFF. And how are we supposed to get free stuff if we, or the people we refer don't GET CREDIT?? Am I missing something here? What's the point of big colorful splashy ads taunting you with the concept of getting something for "free" if you don't want us to pursue the stringent guidelines and "expect" you to come thru on your part of the deal. Unless I completely misunderstood the bold print, I just don't get your point.

WhyPayItsFree

15-06-2007 15:14:49

[quote1eeb9545de="dmorris68"][quote1eeb9545de="WhyPayItsFree"]I fail to understand why this is becoming such a big issue.

[b1eeb9545de]You are supposed to do offers ONLY if you are interested in the products / services offered by the advertiser. A credit is just a bonus, NOTHING Else.[/b1eeb9545de]

If you are interested in any product / service, you would purchase it anyway, (regardless of credit) and probably not get any incentive.

You are not loosing anything by trying to get a credit on an incentive site. If it does not credit, you have nothing to loose.[/quote1eeb9545de]
You make the valid point, as others have, however I've got to say that it isn't that black and white.

You used the word yourself "incentive"

There are many products that I'm interested in. In my over 2 years in the freebie scene, I still pay for products that I've had since my first freebie sites Gevalia, Blockbuster, Boca Java, Disney Movie Club, YourMusic, Scholastic (two different Scholastics in fact). That's just off the top of my head, and doesn't count at least as many that I kept & paid for months before canceling. However I never would have been exposed to some of these offers in the first place were it not for an interest in freebie sites and the notion of getting a little something extra for my effort. More importantly, there were some of those that I was aware of, like Blockbuster and Gevalia, and had a slight interest in, but that I had passed on until I learned I could get some prizes as a bonus. The [i1eeb9545de]incentive[/i1eeb9545de] of the freebie to go along with the product is what motivated me to try it. I dare say I would probably not have done 80-100% of the offers I've done and continue to pay for were it not for incentivized marketing.

So while I agree that customers should only try offers they are interested in, and I have ZERO tolerance for fraud of any kind, let's not be so naive or Pollyanna that we pretend the prospect of prizes (say that 5 times fast) should have no bearing on whether a person gives a product a shot. If too many people now feel that their chances of qualifying for an extra [i1eeb9545de]incentive[/i1eeb9545de] are diminished, then I think there's a good chance that the offer signups, incentivized or otherwise, will come to a near screeching halt.

If that happens, expect the sponsors to reconsider. Especially if they can get further commitment from affiliates and site owners in limiting fraud. On that note, I think a bigger problem is site owners who don't take fraud seriously enough. Many seem to have the attitude of "I don't care how much you fraud as long as the sponsor doesn't catch it and I get paid." They should be more proactive, as some of the bigger reputable sites are, in ferreting out fraud regardless of whether the offer sponsor catches it or not. And I happen to know at least one honest site owner who does this, and sends the money back to affiliates/sponsors when they pay for fraudulent leads. If more site owners were that proactive and honest, I don't think we'd be in this mess.[/quote1eeb9545de]

While I agree with you, it is Important to note that, most, if not all, affiliates use State of the Art Tracking System.

If a pixel does not "fire", when it should, most, if not all, the times it is due to the user's fault.

We have got many Missing Credit Reports, and most of the time, if a user does more than one offer and claims not to have got credit, we ask them the cookie, antivirus and firewall settings at the time of doing an offer.

Even though people tend to show as if they have done everything correctly, many do not. Numerous times I have been told something similar to 'Yeah, I was surfing the web while doing an offer, but I did delete cookies before'. Is it our fault a user cannot follow a few simple steps and not do anything else while doing an offer (which will hardly take 5 minutes), which if not done, could cause harassment to a number of people and for months.

After reading all the posts, I feel it would have been better if the users were not informed of this. As it is, most Missing Credit Reports are not approved. I would assume it was a mistake telling them that they are not accepted, how would the user have found anyway if the site owners accepted reports and affiliates did not ? Or what if the affiliates also did and never sent to advertisers, rather keep them pending till user gives up hope ?

I would not name the sites, I have seen some sites run offers when the affiliate did not accept Reports, it was noted in the description, but site owners not telling the users. Needless to say, they would not be approved, either the site owners deny them , or the affiliates do.

A bunch of users have a misconception that site owners keep them waiting for Manual's in the hope that a user would do another offer and they can keep the money. Well, I would say if they don't trust them, why do their sites, in the first place.

[b1eeb9545de]Without a confirmation email, nothing can be done. You don't get a credit because we do not get paid, we do not get paid because affiliates do not pay us, and affiliates do not pay us because they do not get paid.[/b1eeb9545de]

Another point to be noted is, only Missing Credit Reports are not being accepted, Tracking is still being done. There should be hardly any Missing Credit Reports, but if a user is facing this problem often, it is the problem at their end, for sure.

I, myself, have denied dozen's of Missing Credit Requests because We know they are fake. How we know that, I am not going to disclose here, but feel free to PM Me if you would like to know more.

As for Honesty and Fraud Detection, Again there are hundred's of sites and many of them run by people who have no clue on how to do things correctly.

I would not disclose the names, but people have contacted me wanting to start sites and they don't even know what HTML is. Some know but do not know any other affiliates other than Revenue Universe. With all that, I would not be surprised to learn that they have the worst fraud prevention.

As for revokes, last week, a user got credit for an offer twice. I contacted the affiliate manager and asked him to revoke a lead and he told me that whether it was a mistake or not, once credited a lead is not revoked. Again, I will NOT name the network here.

After a lot of discussion, we decided to use the extra credit for another report for the same offer.

Every site owner here, has a different way of thinking and working and so we do.

I hope this addresses all your concerns. Please feel free to post again if I missed any point.

YourGiftsFree

15-06-2007 15:15:30

Update Video Professor has been removed on some affiliate sites, and may be gone altogether.

WhyPayItsFree

15-06-2007 15:19:31

[quoteda86813f40="legit4biz"]In response to the Why Pay Its Free Rep.

You're kidding, right? ?

First of all, people will try the offers because they're interested. However saying that they're suppose to try them without worrying about credit... ? ? ? Forgive me, but is Wal-Mart/Lowe's/Blockbuster/Mom & Pop whoever going to give me a Plasma TV if I refer a few friends to shop there? Maybe I'm shopping at the wrong locations. Sites offer "incentives" for purchasing products THROUGH THE WEBSITE. I can get this stuff via telephone, mail order, publisher's clearing house, walk-in shopping - you name it. The reason why I, or anyone else would consider going through a freebie site, recruiting people, and doing the marketing and promotion for these sites is to - GET FREE STUFF. And how are we supposed to get free stuff if we, or the people we refer don't GET CREDIT?? Am I missing something here? What's the point of big colorful splashy ads taunting you with the concept of getting something for "free" if you don't want us to pursue the stringent guidelines and "expect" you to come thru on your part of the deal. Unless I completely misunderstood the bold print, I just don't get your point.[/quoteda86813f40]

The point is if you want a Loan, you are going to call companies and get it anyways. At that point of time, it is very unlikely, that the company would offer you an incentive.

What do you loose by subscribing to the same offer via an Incentive site ? If you get credit, Great. If you don't, you still get the service you wanted.

jy3

15-06-2007 15:26:47

[quote4baf51abf2="WhyPayItsFree"]
After reading all the posts, I feel it would have been better if the users were not informed of this. As it is, most Missing Credit Reports are not approved. I would assume it was a mistake telling them that they are not accepted, how would the user have found anyway if the site owners accepted reports and affiliates did not ? Or what if the affiliates also did and never sent to advertisers, rather keep them pending till user gives up hope ?
[/quote4baf51abf2]

this flagrant dishonesty is amusing and scary in the face of what is going on here. we talk about users defrauding yet you are talking about letting users assume that they will be able to get a manual credit, submit the manual credit, wait 14-60 days for a manual credit, and get denied when, in fact, there never was any possibility of getting a manual credit. let them waste 2-5 weeks, who cares.
this dishonesty is startling to me and such dishonestly rings a similar sound to that of defrauding users.

egyptianruin

15-06-2007 15:26:58

[quote44ee025d5c="jy3"]i dont think this is an issue at all. as i said if it has to happen, it has to happen.
i take exception to posts like those of egyptianruin who imply that we should not be discussing this.
i think a lack of manual credits is something to complain about.

also, another aspect of the freebie business model is that they did not adequately access their risk. in all business u take risk and freebie sites were not adequately prepared or insured for this. that is the fault of the sites.

as for calling a credit only a bonus that is complete bull shit. saying otherwise is naive and trying to avoid the true nature of the sites.

that is like saying that an appetizer is a bonus at a restaurant after u pay for it.

people need to talk straight like ruin is doing and not talk in ways that it make it look like this business is not what it is.

is the payment from the advertiser a bonus for the lead u give him?[/quote44ee025d5c]

I don't mind anyone talking about this, believe me it affects me greatly as this is my job. Manually removing credits from site accounts is not how I want to spend my Friday night but I have seen tons of repeat accident credits that went unreported and also blatant fraud from the same site with different referral numbers so I KNOW the site owners caught it but never informed us.

As for manual credit requests there is nothing really site owners or the middle men can do about it, it is really up to the advertiser and if they complain to us and refuse to do anything, even to the point they have withdrawn offers for all the false leads.

I'm not going to point fingers because it's everyones fault not just users, site owners but middle men like myself and companies that cant recognize prepaid cards or don't verify payment methods before crediting.

egyptianruin

15-06-2007 15:30:29

[quote1a2454b21e="jy3"][quote1a2454b21e="WhyPayItsFree"]
After reading all the posts, I feel it would have been better if the users were not informed of this. As it is, most Missing Credit Reports are not approved. I would assume it was a mistake telling them that they are not accepted, how would the user have found anyway if the site owners accepted reports and affiliates did not ? Or what if the affiliates also did and never sent to advertisers, rather keep them pending till user gives up hope ?
[/quote1a2454b21e]

this flagrant dishonesty is amusing and scary in the face of what is going on here. we talk about users defrauding yet you are talking about letting users assume that they will be able to get a manual credit, submit the manual credit, wait 14-60 days for a manual credit, and get denied when, in fact, there never was any possibility of getting a manual credit. let them waste 2-5 weeks, who cares.
this dishonesty is startling to me and such dishonestly rings a similar sound to that of defrauding users.[/quote1a2454b21e]
No one knows if they would have gotten credit, site owners sent the manual credit requests to us and we send them to the advertisers and there they sat in limbo for ages. Advertisers do not care about your incentives a user gets, thats not their business. Their business is to get good leads and customers, not whether or not you get an iPod. Alesha from RevU PUSHED missing credit reports like no tomorrow and all she heard were crickets and/or denials. VERY few were approved. Once again something out of our hands, especially the site owner.

WhyPayItsFree

15-06-2007 15:34:48

[quote95f9fa5130="jy3"][quote95f9fa5130="WhyPayItsFree"]
After reading all the posts, I feel it would have been better if the users were not informed of this. As it is, most Missing Credit Reports are not approved. I would assume it was a mistake telling them that they are not accepted, how would the user have found anyway if the site owners accepted reports and affiliates did not ? Or what if the affiliates also did and never sent to advertisers, rather keep them pending till user gives up hope ?
[/quote95f9fa5130]

this flagrant dishonesty is amusing and scary in the face of what is going on here. we talk about users defrauding yet you are talking about letting users assume that they will be able to get a manual credit, submit the manual credit, wait 14-60 days for a manual credit, and get denied when, in fact, there never was any possibility of getting a manual credit. let them waste 2-5 weeks, who cares.
this dishonesty is startling to me and such dishonestly rings a similar sound to that of defrauding users.[/quote95f9fa5130]

This is not something we do. Take a look at our sites, and any offers for which we will not accept MCR's are clearly marked there.

However, if you read my full post, you would get answer to your question. What about those reports that were submitted to other sites when the affiliate did not accept and user not informed.

[b95f9fa5130]I HAVE MYSELF SEEN SITES DOING THAT.[/b95f9fa5130].

Just because I know what they were doing and I put the truth in front of you does not mean people start bashing me on this.

I am NOT going to name which sites they were, but you would come to know when MCR's are going to be denied by them.

Edit As for dishonest site owners, I am not going to defend them. I know there are MANY OF THEM.

If you trust us, do a WhyPayItsFree site, is all I can say.

jy3

15-06-2007 15:41:57

egyptian and wpif, i feel for both of you and all the other owners to have to go thru this. i know this is not what you guys want at all and payments are controlled by the advertisers and then really the offers that pay the advertisiers.

what i was referring to as dishonesty is suggesting that you did not want to tell users that they cannot get manual credits anymore for offers. if that is not what u meant by your post, i misinterpreted it. I do not see how, though, as you blatantly said that you do think it would have been better if users were unaware of this change - no manual credits. that seems dishonest to me.
and i had no question to answer, it was a statement

anyway, i hope the sites make it thru this because to be honest I have been very happy that a lot of you previous traders who now own sites have been able to do well for yourselves while I simultaneously got some nice stuff.

WhyPayItsFree

15-06-2007 15:51:55

[quotebe001e91e6="jy3"]egyptian and wpif, i feel for both of you and all the other owners to have to go thru this. i know this is not what you guys want at all and payments are controlled by the advertisers and then really the offers that pay the advertisiers.
[bbe001e91e6]
what i was referring to as dishonesty is suggesting that you did not want to tell users that they cannot get manual credits anymore for offers. if that is not what u meant by your post, i misinterpreted it. I do not see how, though, as you blatantly said that you do think it would have been better if users were unaware of this change - no manual credits. that seems dishonest to me.
and i had no question to answer, it was a statement
[/bbe001e91e6]
anyway, i hope the sites make it thru this because to be honest I have been very happy that a lot of you previous traders who now own sites have been able to do well for yourselves while I simultaneously got some nice stuff.[/quotebe001e91e6]

Even though I have not read what egyptian posted, I believe she did not say that, but I did.

I apologize if I did not make it clear enough but my point WAS AND IS [bbe001e91e6]What bad can you do to those sites who were and some of which are still running offers for which affiliates do not accept reports but they are ? Do you think they are going to pay out of their pocket ? I don't think so. At the very most, you would stop working on the site. Go ahead, but by the time you would find out, if at all, it would be too late.

AND This is probably one of the reasons some Missing Credit Reports are not verified at all. Just search the forum, I am sure you will find people who submitted requests like 6 Months back but never got credit and the report was never denied. Do you think the site owner is going to say that it was their mistake ?

[/bbe001e91e6]

jy3

15-06-2007 16:03:41

u seem to be missing the point of what I am saying.
I am not arguing with the change. if it has to happen, it has to happen.
did you not state that it would be better if users did not know that no manual credits will ever go thru again?
so, that implies that the offers would not say that no manual credits are allowed.
this would cause users to submit a manual credit in hopes of getting one, wait 2-5 weeks for a reply. that is dishonest
what would be honest is telling everyone up front, which has happened, but u stated that we should not know.
does anyone else not understand what i am stating?
and i dont care about missing credit reports not getting answered and i understand why some don't go thru - i am addressing what you stated.

tinkerjenn

15-06-2007 16:10:58

Well now that I've had time to chill out at the pool, and re-read all of this I don't feel so doom and gloom. It will suck for a while, yes. It will be harder to complete sites, yes.

I'll get scammed? No. This is a good thing.

It's easy to get upset when you only know your end of the deal. I have absolutely no idea what happens on the freebie site side or on the affiliate side.

That beig said, I'm an honest trader, and I'll wade through it until the scene either dies, I get bored, or I win the lottery )

WhyPayItsFree

15-06-2007 16:14:12

[quote0e519dfe38="jy3"]u seem to be missing the point of what I am saying.
I am not arguing with the change. if it has to happen, it has to happen.
did you not state that it would be better if users did not know that no manual credits will ever go thru again?
so, that implies that the offers would not say that no manual credits are allowed.
this would cause users to submit a manual credit in hopes of getting one, wait 2-5 weeks for a reply. that is dishonest
what would be honest is telling everyone up front, which has happened, but u stated that we should not know.
does anyone else not understand what i am stating?
and i dont care about missing credit reports not getting answered and i understand why some don't go thru - i am addressing what you stated.[/quote0e519dfe38]

You said

[quote0e519dfe38]
what i was referring to as dishonesty is suggesting that you [b0e519dfe38]did not want[/b0e519dfe38] to tell users that they cannot get manual credits anymore for offers. if that is not what u meant by your post, i misinterpreted it. I do not see how, though, as you blatantly said that you do think it would have been better if users were unaware of this change - no manual credits. that seems dishonest to me.
and i had no question to answer, it was a statement
[/quote0e519dfe38]

DID NOT WANT.

I said

[quote0e519dfe38]
After reading all the posts, [b0e519dfe38]I feel[/b0e519dfe38] it would have been better if the users were not informed of this. As it is, most Missing Credit Reports are not approved. [b0e519dfe38]I would assume[/b0e519dfe38] it was a mistake telling them that they are not accepted, how would the user have found anyway if the site owners accepted reports and affiliates did not ? Or what if the affiliates also did and never sent to advertisers, rather keep them pending till user gives up hope ?
[/quote0e519dfe38]

I FEEL, I WOULD ASSUME.

Are assumptions the same as "did not want" ? Sorry, I don't think so.

Also, if you read my previous post, I stated

[quote0e519dfe38]
I apologize if I did not make it clear enough but my point WAS AND IS
[/quote0e519dfe38]

After re-reading the posts, I feel that the language might have indicated something that was not the truth but I did clarify that.

legit4biz

15-06-2007 16:24:40

I guess I'm not making my point clear. Does anyone else understand where I'm coming from or am I alone? It just seems like a double standard mentality to me. Like, it's ok for us to believe what the sites say, and do our part, but don't expect anything for it because - "HEY, you wanted the product anyway !". That just sounds unfair. That makes me feel like he's saying.. "We going to bait and switch you. We're going to offer these gifts to you, get you to try these things you may or may not have considered trying before, get you to bring other people to the site in hopes of us making money, and then - hey if none of you get your credit - oh well- hey you were going to buy this stuff anyway, so what's the big problem ??" (that was a long sentence) I don't think that's a fair way to think. I think frauders are jerks and so are scammers and they ruin things like this for all of us who are really trying to take advantage of this the right way. I can't blame a site for being angry about being ripped-off. But to try to make it seem like the set-backs we may have to take (which will prob turn out in the long run to be for the better) because of these weasels, is afterall, oh well " just a bonus so who cares " is just wrong. It's ok for them to be upset about not being compensated, but not ok for us to? Hmmmmm... I just don't like the idea or insinuation that their money and time is more important than ours. Maybe I'm on an island with this, but I just caught a strand of something that made me feel a little .. (

WhyPayItsFree

15-06-2007 16:27:16

[quote7797592833="legit4biz"]I guess I'm not making my point clear. Does anyone else understand where I'm coming from or am I alone? It just seems like a double standard mentality to me. Like, it's ok for us to believe what the sites say, and do our part, but don't expect anything for it because - "HEY, you wanted the product anyway !". That just sounds unfair. That makes me feel like he's saying.. "We going to bait and switch you. We're going to offer these gifts to you, get you to try these things you may or may not have considered trying before, get you to bring other people to the site in hopes of us making money, and then - hey if none of you get your credit - oh well- hey you were going to buy this stuff anyway, so what's the big problem ??" (that was a long sentence) I don't think that's a fair way to think. I think frauders are jerks and so are scammers and they ruin things like this for all of us who are really trying to take advantage of this the right way. I can't blame a site for being angry about being ripped-off. But to try to make it seem like the set-backs we may have to take (which will prob turn out in the long run to be for the better) because of these weasels, is afterall, oh well " just a bonus so who cares " is just wrong. It's ok for them to be upset about not being compensated, but not ok for us to? Hmmmmm... I just don't like the idea or insinuation that their money and time is more important than ours. Maybe I'm on an island with this, but I just caught a strand of something that made me feel a little .. ([/quote7797592833]

I haven't read your full post but I can say, users have [b7797592833]ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA[/b7797592833] on the amount of Fraud generated by Incentive sites (despite of us doing everything possible to stop it), Number of Frauders we deal with, and the way we keep the sites running.

legit4biz

15-06-2007 16:57:52

The first thing I need to say is that I feel really sorry for site owners or anyone who is upstanding and gets ripped off by a jerk. None of us is here to get beat or scammed. None of us. I don't think you're the devil, and you're not the living embodiment of all of our problems. I don't want you to feel attacked or like you don't have a right to your opinion. You do, just as much as we do. I suddenly saw you defending yourself like you had a shield and we were attacking you. I don't want that to be the case.

However

You do need to be accountable for things you say.

Respectfully, you tried to re-explain what you meant, but I feel you didn't address the issue. [[ Jy3 (sorry if misspelled) I see your point and agree totally. ]]I'm sorry but I just think you said something and after the fact you heard how it sounded and ..... Be that as it may, you rubbed a few peeps the wrong way with some of the (lets call them) feelings that were sensed amongst the words that you said. SOOO at the risk of horse I just think it would be good if we accepted an apology for the unintended offense and moved on. shrug I just don't want anyone feeling funny about a post or pressured to conform to anyone else's opinion. Maybe just be a little more careful next time.. We're all flustered and fired up. Easy to get us riled up right now. lol

ILoveToys

15-06-2007 17:46:27

There is always something that comes up, and somehow it keeps going. I don't see an end to the freebie world....Just a couple speed bumps.

aviendha47

15-06-2007 18:06:48

I'd like someone to spell it out as it were. So any manual credit, whether it be submitted yesterday or last month, no matter because they are now all void?

ILoveToys

15-06-2007 18:17:30

[quote612a96a232="aviendha47"]I'd like someone to spell it out as it were. So any manual credit, whether it be submitted yesterday or last month, no matter because they are now all void?[/quote612a96a232]

Yup...pretty much.

aviendha47

15-06-2007 18:19:16

I get yup, but pretty much? Are there extenuating circumstances?

ILoveToys

15-06-2007 18:24:15

I kind of doubt it, but you can't be sure unless you try.

CollidgeGraduit

15-06-2007 18:40:06

[quotea46169d189="First post in the thread said"]Effective tonight, manual credit requests are no longer accepted by affiliates. [/quotea46169d189]

Several other places in the thread people have said no more manual credits also.

aviendha47

15-06-2007 18:52:35

[quote852d7cbeea="CollidgeGraduit"][quote852d7cbeea="First post in the thread said"]Effective tonight, manual credit requests are no longer accepted by affiliates. [/quote852d7cbeea]

Several other places in the thread people have said no more manual credits also.[/quote852d7cbeea]

That's "effective tonight" and "no longer". I wanted an answer on previously opened requests, which I got, thanks.

ILoveToys

15-06-2007 18:55:01

Don't mind CG too much...If I just stumbled upon this post I wouldn't have wanted to read the whole thing either.

CollidgeGraduit

15-06-2007 18:55:39

[quote3036c9b446="ILoveToys"]Don't mind CG too much...If I just stumbled upon this post I wouldn't have wanted to read the whole thing either.[/quote3036c9b446]

You're lucky you're a Michigan fan... lol

jy3

15-06-2007 19:34:50

if that is what you meant, that is fine ) no harm no foul
i hope that your site makes it thru this mess.

honestly, i could care less how much fraud freebie sites deal with. if you had no idea this would be a problem when you started your site, you are naive. You will not get me sympathy for work that u have to deal with since it is implicit to owning a site.
i do feel bad for you having payments reversed and what not. scammers suck in every way.
i hope we all can benefit from this.
I seriously think that people should only pay after approval
that will eliminate SO many problems.
anyway, hope everyone has a great weekend.
i am hoping to cap off my freebie time with a final ref on games.givafree )

gambit00x

16-06-2007 00:19:12

[quoteae907a14c5="legit4biz"]
The reason why I, or anyone else would consider going through a freebie site, recruiting people, and doing the marketing and promotion for these sites is to - GET FREE STUFF. And how are we supposed to get free stuff if we, or the people we refer don't GET CREDIT?? Am I missing something here? What's the point of big colorful splashy ads taunting you with the concept of getting something for "free" if you don't want us to pursue the stringent guidelines and "expect" you to come thru on your part of the deal. Unless I completely misunderstood the bold print, I just don't get your point.[/quoteae907a14c5]

I have to agree with this point. It just seems like a bit of psychological bait-and-switch from what some of the previous posts said. The freesites are marketed with the "Free Stuff" in bold print as a means of getting customers to complete the site requirements. Now you're saying the offers should be done because we're more concerned with the products. If the products were to be our primary concern, why were the hooks, "Get this free" or "Get that free" used to begin with. It should have been more like, "Come to my website and try some products, you [bae907a14c5]may[/bae907a14c5] win a prize". In other words, you want us to think of it as a raffle. We buy through the site and if we get the prizes, great! If not, well, such is life. But it isn't marketed in that way. That's why there's such a firestorm of protest after this no manuals issue. The free stuff is dangled before our eyes, promised to us upon the completion of certain tasks, then we're expected to simply be happy with the products--which are advertised by the site as simply a means of attaining the gift. It doesn't add up.

Mrck_421

16-06-2007 08:52:25

this sucks!

Gigante

16-06-2007 10:15:47

[quote817744c28f="Getstuff4free Kyle"]Not without much difficulty. Incentivized sites usually have to work to get other affiliates and even then, I've heard enough horror stories of them changing their minds and not paying out to incentivized sites to decide to stick with RevU, LeadGains, AdExhibit, etc.[/quote817744c28f]

You are deciding to stick with some of the worst affiliates in the industry that have no clout? I don't really understand.

YourGiftsFree

16-06-2007 12:18:06

[quotec30de31196="Gigante"][quotec30de31196="Getstuff4free Kyle"]Not without much difficulty. Incentivized sites usually have to work to get other affiliates and even then, I've heard enough horror stories of them changing their minds and not paying out to incentivized sites to decide to stick with RevU, LeadGains, AdExhibit, etc.[/quotec30de31196]

You are deciding to stick with some of the worst affiliates in the industry that have no clout? I don't really understand.[/quotec30de31196]

Those middlemen are the worst ones to stick with.

Daggoth

16-06-2007 12:42:32

Interesting that Trainn still has manual credit...

jy3

16-06-2007 19:24:58

[quote7395c9a561="Daggoth"]Interesting that Trainn still has manual credit...[/quote7395c9a561]

i was wondering what would happen on their sites

jdizzle314

16-06-2007 21:38:09

my thoughts are everyone just do train sites = )

DollarDealNetwork

16-06-2007 21:38:46

At this time all 2dollardeal sites still offer manual crediting on 90% of all offers.

gambit00x

16-06-2007 22:46:41

[quotebbec820b63="2DollarDeal"]At this time all 2dollardeal sites still offer manual crediting on 90% of all offers.[/quotebbec820b63]

Wait a minute! I cashed out of a 2dollardeal site thinking that my last ref's manuals were going to be denied since this announcement. On W4F I've had two offers denied, one I'm still in the trial period for, one I actually made another purchase on. So what's the deal? From the posts I've read, I took this ending of manual crediting to mean all networks and all sites.
Could anyone give me the real information?

cubbieco

16-06-2007 23:05:34

[quote4f01ee1327="gambit00x"][quote4f01ee1327="2DollarDeal"]At this time all 2dollardeal sites still offer manual crediting on 90% of all offers.[/quote4f01ee1327]

Wait a minute! I cashed out of a 2dollardeal site thinking that my last ref's manuals were going to be denied since this announcement. On W4F I've had two offers denied, one I'm still in the trial period for, one I actually made another purchase on. So what's the deal? From the posts I've read, I took this ending of manual crediting to mean all networks and all sites.
Could anyone give me the real information?[/quote4f01ee1327]

OK I read the thread. I'm only a user and don't have any inside information. It sounds like a couple of affiliates dropped out of the scene and some others will never take manual credits. Since I really don't know what sites use what affiliates we can only depend on what individual sites have to say about what will happen with their affiliates and manual credits all we can say is well....
[b4f01ee1327]
Manual credits suck and always have.[/b4f01ee1327]

It's nice that some sites will be public about the crediting not working.


Also, in defense of the users, the "state of the art" crediting system has always had problems. The fact that you have to clear cookies and cache in the hope of having the system work is a problem. Why would the cookies crash into each other and burn up if you don't clear cookies in advance. Why doesn't network ABC assign a completely unique cookie value each time and track that one value so that it doesn't crash into any other values. I technically should be able to complete two offers at the same time because cookies are capable of holding more than one value that could be used for tracking.

Clearing cache, OK I'll give you that. The stupid browsing software isn't made to keep track of things like this, it's made to speed up browsing.

I still don't believe the 90% of uncredited offers is the users error. At least throw in the possibility of software troubles, ISP problems, images not being transferred fully, etc. How many times have you browsed a page and not had an image load the first time. That's not the users fault, but that can screw up an offer.

OK. Enough venting.

What I would like to see as a solution is some kind of Java based app that actually watches the process and reports back when it is completed then closes. Something like that should be possible. The app sits in the front frame and tracks everything in a subframe. Heck I'd even go for a piece of spyware that we have to run when we do affiliate offers so long as it closes completely when were done.

gambit00x

16-06-2007 23:09:41

Thanks cubbieco, and that Java suggestion makes sense

RAV123H

17-06-2007 00:56:40

[quote4bd61421a1="turbohim"]exactly, i know. thats why the freebie scene is coming to an end[/quote4bd61421a1]
i am still reading but there he said it it is the end of the freebie sites All my credit request i ever did i never got credit for so that ok with me, i have tried every thing i got yes i have canceled. i still get some too, but you now what some just ship too soon. they are taking offer off i wanted.

cubbieco

17-06-2007 01:05:08

[quotecf6b892dee="RAV123H"][quotecf6b892dee="turbohim"]exactly, i know. thats why the freebie scene is coming to an end[/quotecf6b892dee]
i am still reading but there he said it it is the end of the freebie sites All my credit request i ever did i never got credit for so that ok with me, i have tried every thing i got yes i have canceled. i still get some too, but you now what some just ship too soon. they are taking offer off i wanted.[/quotecf6b892dee]

If you read the forums a lot there have been a lot of predictions about the end of the freebie sites over the years and they haven't ended yet. Another bump in the road before everyone moves on.

RAV123H

17-06-2007 01:10:00

i not on this forum much any more but still think it is coming to a end but am hoping it is not

zecritr

17-06-2007 02:41:08

I agree iwth Iluvtoys it is just speedbumps in the road,things change it's a fact of life, always has been probably always will be.

If some people want to give up and some sites are ready to fade away..well there goes the comptition in this not really a job or business and not work at all stuff that we do, which leaves more ref's for us to not train in this not part-time not job of ours.

DollarDealNetwork

17-06-2007 04:59:51

[quotecd39e35c8d="gambit00x"][quotecd39e35c8d="2DollarDeal"]At this time all 2dollardeal sites still offer manual crediting on 90% of all offers.[/quotecd39e35c8d]

Wait a minute! I cashed out of a 2dollardeal site thinking that my last ref's manuals were going to be denied since this announcement. On W4F I've had two offers denied, one I'm still in the trial period for, one I actually made another purchase on. So what's the deal? From the posts I've read, I took this ending of manual crediting to mean all networks and all sites.
Could anyone give me the real information?[/quotecd39e35c8d]

Send in a support ticket and I will cancel your order if I didnt already.

As to manual credits some publishers have decided to stop taking manuals due to the amount of fraud and fake submits. At this time none of the 15 publishers I use have started this policy. A few offers have and are marked as not allowing manuals but this was from before the recent changes. This may change at any moment, I will be calling all my aff managers Monday to see the stance that company is taking on incentive sites and manual credits.

So I would check with the individual site to see if they are allowing manuals or not.

Mrck_421

17-06-2007 10:34:38

Wow we wouldnt have half of the problems that are happening if it werent for the frauders out there. They drive me nuts!

gambit00x

17-06-2007 11:20:54

By way of an update, 2dollardeals cancelled my order to let me wait for the last referral. I applaud you for being as helpful as you are! Usually replies to support tickets are rude or blunt, but I never had that experience with you.
Thanks a lot!
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Gigante

17-06-2007 14:10:56

I think this thread is an overreaction. I have seen very few good affiliate companies putting a stop to manual credits (although they often suck anyways). The only ones that have done this are lower tier affiliates that do not deserve business anyways. Some key affiliates have paused their offers for the time being though.

Hannah828

17-06-2007 19:34:22

[quotefde297eae3="Fr1zzank"]Well, the whole thing seems scary, but now maybe we'll only get people serious in this; not just those interested in making a quick couple $100 doing offers for people.

I was having a hard time as it was, maybe this will make it better? Let's hope.[/quotefde297eae3]

Yes, I for one agree wholeheartedly with you. Now, maybe, we will just get only the "serious people" Those are the ones, like ourselves, that are not in this industry for the money, but rather to contribute to the good of society by trying out new products and giving our valued opinion about them.
Not like those other shmucks that were only doing this IFW thing to[ifde297eae3] make money, [/ifde297eae3]the greedy bastards!
Those people have ruined it for the rest of us honest folks by trying to make money doing this! What are these people thinking? Don't they get it? This is our hobby, our passion! We love testing out new products and services for the good of our fellow citizens. We don't expect to be compensated for it! My goodness, what are these people thinking...that this is a money making opportunity or something?

I am just so grateful that I am independently wealthy and I can contribute to society in this little way, by sighning up for offers that I am "legitimately interested in" and then continuing to pay the monthly subscription fees for them even if I don't like them. It's the least I can do to contribute to the well being of my fellow citizens.

I cannot even imagine anyone being involved in this industry and expecting to get paid. Does anyone have any sense of honor and decency anymore?

evil

CollidgeGraduit

17-06-2007 19:40:37

[quote19b469ddfd="Hannah828"][quote19b469ddfd="Fr1zzank"]Well, the whole thing seems scary, but now maybe we'll only get people serious in this; not just those interested in making a quick couple $100 doing offers for people.

I was having a hard time as it was, maybe this will make it better? Let's hope.[/quote19b469ddfd]

Yes, I for one agree wholeheartedly with you. Now, maybe, we will just get only the "serious people" Those are the ones, like ourselves, that are not in this industry for the money, but rather to contribute to the good of society by trying out new products and giving our valued opinion about them.
Not like those other shmucks that were only doing this IFW thing to[i19b469ddfd] make money, [/i19b469ddfd]the greedy bastards!
Those people have ruined it for the rest of us honest folks by trying to make money doing this! What are these people thinking? Don't they get it? This is our hobby, our passion! We love testing out new products and services for the good of our fellow citizens. We don't expect to be compensated for it! My goodness, what are these people thinking...that this is a money making opportunity or something?

I am just so grateful that I am independently wealthy and I can contribute to society in this little way, by sighning up for offers that I am "legitimately interested in" and then continuing to pay the monthly subscription fees for them even if I don't like them. It's the least I can do to contribute to the well being of my fellow citizens.

I cannot even imagine anyone being involved in this industry and expecting to get paid. Does anyone have any sense of honor and decency anymore?

evil[/quote19b469ddfd]

Damn those companies who only want to pay for legitimate leads!! Out of the goodness of their hearts, they should just GIVE money to people who try their products with the sole purpose of cancelling the offer. Greedy companies!

tinkerjenn

17-06-2007 19:45:28

I admit I overreacted.

Now I'm back to being happy and just doing my thing ) Frauders SUCK. To be honest though, I think DIY sites kind of had something to do with it.

Think about it - You go to a DIY site to make a bunch of cash for doing offers without having to look for refs. There's a BUNCH of money to be made by doing as many offers as possible. I am not blind enough to believe that 90% of those offers being done are really being done because the person wants the product.

Hannah828

17-06-2007 19:54:49

Why are you people acting so self-righteous about this? There are only so many offers. Are you telling me that you have been absolutley, completely interested in every one of the offers you have done and that you were not trying to go green so you could get paid?
I'm not talking about cancellation here, there are plenty of offers that I have continued to pay the monthly fee for because I liked them, or because I was too lazy and procrastinating to cancel.
BUT....FOLKS, come on!!! We are all in this for the money. Don't pretend that you are doing capitalism some kind of great service.

CollidgeGraduit

17-06-2007 19:58:08

[quotedfb694d4c0="Hannah828"]Why are you people acting so self-righteous about this? There are only so many offers. Are you telling me that you have been absolutley, completely interested in every one of the offers you have done and that you were not trying to go green so you could get paid?
I'm not talking about cancellation here, there are plenty of offers that I have continued to pay the monthly fee for because I liked them, or because I was too lazy and procrastinating to cancel.
BUT....FOLKS, come on!!! We are all in this for the money. Don't pretend that you are doing capitalism some kind of great service.[/quotedfb694d4c0]

I've only done about 7-8 sites, and yes I tried an offer I had at least some interest in. I ended up keeping Netflix for about a year, switched to Blockbuster and have been using that for close to 2 years, still a member of Boca Java. I don't remember what other offers I've tried, but yes I did limit it to ones I had some interest in.

tinkerjenn

17-06-2007 19:59:25

I can honestly say I have never done an offer just for the credit.

onestepback

18-06-2007 08:32:03

[quoteeee2089e4a="dmorris68"][quoteeee2089e4a="WhyPayItsFree"]I fail to understand why this is becoming such a big issue.

[beee2089e4a]You are supposed to do offers ONLY if you are interested in the products / services offered by the advertiser. A credit is just a bonus, NOTHING Else.[/beee2089e4a]

If you are interested in any product / service, you would purchase it anyway, (regardless of credit) and probably not get any incentive.

You are not loosing anything by trying to get a credit on an incentive site. If it does not credit, you have nothing to loose.[/quoteeee2089e4a]
You make the valid point, as others have, however I've got to say that it isn't that black and white.

You used the word yourself "incentive"

There are many products that I'm interested in. In my over 2 years in the freebie scene, I still pay for products that I've had since my first freebie sites Gevalia, Blockbuster, Boca Java, Disney Movie Club, YourMusic, Scholastic (two different Scholastics in fact). That's just off the top of my head, and doesn't count at least as many that I kept & paid for months before canceling. However I never would have been exposed to some of these offers in the first place were it not for an interest in freebie sites and the notion of getting a little something extra for my effort. More importantly, there were some of those that I was aware of, like Blockbuster and Gevalia, and had a slight interest in, but that I had passed on until I learned I could get some prizes as a bonus. The [ieee2089e4a]incentive[/ieee2089e4a] of the freebie to go along with the product is what motivated me to try it. I dare say I would probably not have done 80-100% of the offers I've done and continue to pay for were it not for incentivized marketing.

So while I agree that customers should only try offers they are interested in, and I have ZERO tolerance for fraud of any kind, let's not be so naive or Pollyanna that we pretend the prospect of prizes (say that 5 times fast) should have no bearing on whether a person gives a product a shot. If too many people now feel that their chances of qualifying for an extra [ieee2089e4a]incentive[/ieee2089e4a] are diminished, then I think there's a good chance that the offer signups, incentivized or otherwise, will come to a near screeching halt.

If that happens, expect the sponsors to reconsider. Especially if they can get further commitment from affiliates and site owners in limiting fraud. On that note, I think a bigger problem is site owners who don't take fraud seriously enough. Many seem to have the attitude of "I don't care how much you fraud as long as the sponsor doesn't catch it and I get paid." They should be more proactive, as some of the bigger reputable sites are, in ferreting out fraud regardless of whether the offer sponsor catches it or not. And I happen to know at least one honest site owner who does this, and sends the money back to affiliates/sponsors when they pay for fraudulent leads. If more site owners were that proactive and honest, I don't think we'd be in this mess.[/quoteeee2089e4a]

I totally agree, could not have said it better. Thanks

onestepback

18-06-2007 08:49:17

[quoteee27cfd93c="tinkerjenn"]I admit I overreacted.

Now I'm back to being happy and just doing my thing ) Frauders SUCK. To be honest though, I think DIY sites kind of had something to do with it.

Think about it - You go to a DIY site to make a bunch of cash for doing offers without having to look for refs. There's a BUNCH of money to be made by doing as many offers as possible. I am not blind enough to believe that 90% of those offers being done are really being done because the person wants the product.[/quoteee27cfd93c]

I think you make a very good point. On one side you have don't do the offers unless you are interested in them whether you get credit or not, so what is the point of being a referral for someone who needs it. On the other side you have DIY that pays you an incentive for doing the offers, so what are people suppose to think, talk about confusing .... we as users are not totally at fault here, it is everyone, users and site owners and trial offer companies, some of them make you try to protect yourself, why because they themselves are dishonest, how by charging you for a monthly fee sooner than expected and sending your bank account into the red zone.

amartin99

24-06-2007 15:13:22

[quote87058bd84f="TryinToGetPaid"]people do not clear cookies and cache between offers.[/quote87058bd84f]

now there is something that never acured to me
I clean them out before I start
but I have such a hard time finding offers to do (in canada)
and nearly 1/2 the time I don't get credit
perhaps from now on I sould go thre them pick out which ones im gona do
mark them down
then do a compleat clean shut everything down
and do them one at a time while doing a compleat clean after every one
sounds like an obserd amount of efert to me

but im REALLY REALLY REALLY sic of not getting credit for what I have done
not to mention $ I have spent

amartin99

24-06-2007 15:28:47

[quoteb1f0507457="tinkerjenn"]I can honestly say I have never done an offer just for the credit.[/quoteb1f0507457]
I can't
and I would bet 95% of the rest of you also Can't
if your honest

I can honestly say I have chosen not to do some offers for (moral and spiritual reasons) and failed to go green because of it

Hunter_82

24-06-2007 17:41:20

[quotee290fc316f="amartin99"][quotee290fc316f="TryinToGetPaid"]people do not clear cookies and cache between offers.[/quotee290fc316f]

now there is something that never acured to me
I clean them out before I start
but I have such a hard time finding offers to do (in canada)
and nearly 1/2 the time I don't get credit
perhaps from now on I sould go thre them pick out which ones im gona do
mark them down
then do a compleat clean shut everything down
and do them one at a time while doing a compleat clean after every one
sounds like an obserd amount of efert to me

but im REALLY REALLY REALLY sic of not getting credit for what I have done
not to mention $ I have spent[/quotee290fc316f]

That is exactly what you should do. And IMO its not an obserd amount of effort. Once you get the system down it only take an extra minute...which is time well spent if it betters your chances of receiving credit. I know a lot of people complain about having to do this...but I really don't see why its that big of a deal.

kerry1

24-06-2007 21:00:10

It's kind of bad news. But if you clear your cookies and such, you should usually get credit.

WhyPayItsFree

25-06-2007 10:01:27

We are [b85ca6c7c65]Still[/b85ca6c7c65] accepting Missing Credit Requests.

There are some offers for which we will not, but there are many offers for which we are still accepting. )

We have also approved many Missing Credit Requests, using a portion of our Profit to credit members li .

li Please do not ask for a free credit. This is subject to additional verification and if you qualify, we will credit your account.

sandra habina

26-06-2007 01:37:32

Bumping so more new traders can read and understand new rules.

DollarDealNetwork

26-06-2007 15:21:47

[quote734556bfd6="sandra habina"]Bumping so more new traders can read and understand new rules.[/quote734556bfd6]


What new rules? If this site owner has decided he doesn't want to bother with manual credits he should state so on his site, not here.

This thread is nothing but mass hysteria, each site is owned and operated by a seperate owner. So PLEASE ask the owner not the original poster as he only speaks for HIS SITE.

2DollarDeal accepts manual credits.