Supreme Crt ruled Gov-no athty 2 impose income tax on wages
onestepback
23-05-2007 06:49:51
I just watched a trailer of a documentary by Aron Russo the Film-maker.
"Where is "THE LAW" that states paying income taxes on wages is legal?"
Was the question Aron Russo set out to find an answer to and opened up a can of worms in the search.
I thought I would share it in case someone else would like to see it what he came up with.
"The Shocking Truth is viewed here The Free Internet Version of Aron Russo's Documentary Film Opening in Theatre's".
http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
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"Four Stars (Highest Rating).
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"FOUR STARS (Highest Rating). The scariest damn film you'll see this year.
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skepticalcynic
23-05-2007 06:58:58
Old news. All hype.
Question What exactly is "truth"?
Answer Something that somebody said once.
onestepback
23-05-2007 07:34:04
Old News ? So is history.. but history repeats itself.
The movie is proof paying income taxes on our wages is illegal why would any one want to pay income tax on your wages? If if was voluntary would you still pay taxes on your wages?
You have to see the movie to understand the difference
This is here for those that wish to see the proof and watch the movie. Not to debate it.
CollidgeGraduit
23-05-2007 07:35:48
[quote440b78a37b="onestepback"]I just watched a trailer of a documentary by Aron Russo the Film-maker.
Where is "THE LAW" that states paying income taxes is legal?
[/quote440b78a37b]
http//www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/Income_tax
It's the 16th ammendment to the Constitution.
http//www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxvi.html
onestepback
23-05-2007 07:40:58
Yes I know about the 16th amendment and it is in the documentary where is was used to rule in favor of a not guilty verdict in a supreme court case.
CollidgeGraduit
23-05-2007 07:43:44
Well, I'm not going to watch the movie, since I left my tinfoil hat at home.
Can you explain why it's illegal?
dmorris68
23-05-2007 07:45:30
LOL, gotta love conspiracy theorists of the internet age, where you can spread completely unfounded hysteria and hype with a click of a button. And the saddest thing is the people that take it face value only because they [i03cb9be762]want[/i03cb9be762] it to be true. The very ones who admonish us not to be "sheep" of the government, are often themselves sheep of their own fellow conspirators. lol
CollidgeGraduit
23-05-2007 07:46:57
[quotef1feedbfa9="dmorris68"]LOL, gotta love conspiracy theorists of the internet age, where you can spread completely unfounded hysteria and hype with a click of a button. And the saddest thing is the people that take it face value only because they [if1feedbfa9]want[/if1feedbfa9] it to be true. The very ones who admonish us not to be "sheep" of the government, are often themselves sheep of their own fellow conspirators. lol[/quotef1feedbfa9]
I bet there's a black van parked outside your front window right now..
onestepback
23-05-2007 08:34:23
I am not going to debate over it, it is not about conspiracy, nor for close minded people.
TryinToGetPaid
23-05-2007 08:37:53
Close minded?
Oh lord, is that nytrate?
CollidgeGraduit
23-05-2007 08:42:05
[quote250bed7b36="onestepback"]I am not going to debate over it, it is not about conspiracy, nor for close minded people such as yourselves, so don't watch it.[/quote250bed7b36]
I asked you to explain the illegality of it. I'll gladly consider it if you can give me a good explanation.
tinkerjenn
23-05-2007 08:42:51
LOllercopters!
I love when having a different opinion makes you "close minded"
skepticalcynic
23-05-2007 09:04:41
Consider this hypothetical situation
There are no taxes.
Your children are running around illiterate because there are no schools because there is no funding. There aren't even any private schools because there's no state oversight.
On your way to work you notice there's a new mudhole in the dirt track through the weeds. You grumble that "they" ought to fix the roads. But wait - there are no roads. No streets, no highways, no railroads, no airports. Nothing.
At lunchtime you need to mail a letter. You go to the post office. It's not there. The postal service does not exist.
I could go on and on and on. But I won't because I have made my point.
Just remember - there is no free lunch...
onestepback
23-05-2007 09:05:30
[quote2af082d5b1="CollidgeGraduit"][quote2af082d5b1="onestepback"]I am not going to debate over it, it is not about conspiracy, nor for close minded people, so don't watch it.[/quote2af082d5b1]
I asked you to explain the illegality of it. I'll gladly consider it if you can give me a good explanation.[/quote2af082d5b1]
The explanation is in the documentary.
My goodness I didn't post this to start a debate or offer an opinion, think what you want I don't care either way. )
skepticalcynic
23-05-2007 09:11:20
One more thing...
People who refuse to debate their beliefs are afraid they'll be proven wrong.
onestepback
23-05-2007 09:11:23
[quoteedfa17d731="skepticalcynic"]Consider this hypothetical situation
There are no taxes.
Your children are running around illiterate because there are no schools because there is no funding. There aren't even any private schools because there's no state oversight.
On your way to work you notice there's a new mudhole in the dirt track through the weeds. You grumble that "they" ought to fix the roads. But wait - there are no roads. No streets, no highways, no railroads, no airports. Nothing.
At lunchtime you need to mail a letter. You go to the post office. It's not there. The postal service does not exist.
I could go on and on and on. But I won't because I have made my point.
Just remember - there is no free lunch...[/quoteedfa17d731]
I agree with all of that, that isn't what this is about, it is about taxing your wages and the difference between wages and income tax.
"there is no free lunch" don't tell that to the www.freelunchroom.com LOL
skepticalcynic
23-05-2007 09:14:26
Wages are income. Refer to your local dictionary.
tinkerjenn
23-05-2007 09:16:33
I do however see the merit in the fair tax movement
FreeOffersNow
23-05-2007 09:21:59
Thank God I have the freedom to elect not to watch this video.
onestepback
23-05-2007 09:24:34
[quote006e5c8cc5="tinkerjenn"]I do however see the merit in the fair tax movement[/quote006e5c8cc5]
Thank you that is a good word for it Fair Tax Movement
onestepback
23-05-2007 09:27:06
[quote1567478100="skepticalcynic"]One more thing...
People who refuse to debate their beliefs are afraid they'll be proven wrong.[/quote1567478100]
Absolutely... it is an FYI not a debate over beliefs
FreeOffersNow
23-05-2007 09:30:46
Double post....
Penalty [b6536f11a2f]DEATH[/b6536f11a2f]
TryinToGetPaid
23-05-2007 09:36:15
BACKSEAT MODDING!!!!!!111111
FreeOffersNow
23-05-2007 10:06:59
[quote844edd0bed="TryinToGetPaid"]BACKSEAT MODDING!!!!!!111111[/quote844edd0bed]
I prefer to be called an Armchair Moderator
MovinForward
23-05-2007 11:16:44
I think she was merely stating that she watched something interesting and wanted to comment on it. I did not hear her say she fell for every word of it. Did you guys have to bash her for posting something that she thought was interesting? If you want to talk taxes, about we bash the fact that the IRS taxes "gift/prize" money/objects? Now, I'm sorry but I can understand taxing wages - I like to have educated children and all the rest that comes from living in a society with awesome infrastructure. But, to tax my poor little (o.k. not so little) winnings from a freebie site - Going too far I say!
Wolfeman
23-05-2007 11:27:57
Some people having been claiming that income taxes are "illegal" for years but I've never seen a real compelling argument...
tinkerjenn
23-05-2007 11:29:10
fairtax.org has some excellent resources and information.
hehehhehe
23-05-2007 11:52:00
[quoteaa64f0e01b="onestepback"][quoteaa64f0e01b="skepticalcynic"]One more thing...
People who refuse to debate their beliefs are afraid they'll be proven wrong.[/quoteaa64f0e01b]
Absolutely... it is an FYI not a debate over beliefs[/quoteaa64f0e01b]
I get the feeling you're not understanding what skepticalcynic is trying to say.
samz465
23-05-2007 13:33:56
Does no one realize that income tax only BENEFITS the country?
God...
Wolfeman
23-05-2007 13:38:24
I actually think income taxes BLOW! There should be sales tax only...
samz465
23-05-2007 13:54:47
[quote787410719b="Wolfeman"]I actually think income taxes BLOW! There should be sales tax only...[/quote787410719b]
The gov't has to make money some how...
Wolfeman
23-05-2007 13:56:03
Sales tax!
theysayjump
23-05-2007 13:57:57
[quote54a10517b5="samz465"][quote54a10517b5="Wolfeman"]I actually think income taxes BLOW! There should be sales tax only...[/quote54a10517b5]
The gov't has to make money some how...[/quote54a10517b5]
how els r they suposed 2 fund teh warz they st4rt??
KnightTrader
23-05-2007 14:36:33
Already stupid. I closed it when it said J.P. Morgan / Rockafeller worked to get income tax laws passed. Thats the single stupidest idea ever. Why would these two business tycoons want to give 50% Of their money to the government through income tax? It would be in THEIR best interest for the Income tax laws to have not passed. I don't agree with income tax, But this video blows based on this single event. Alt F4'd it.
tylerc
23-05-2007 14:42:16
[quoteac91b82947="theysayjump"][quoteac91b82947="samz465"][quoteac91b82947="Wolfeman"]I actually think income taxes BLOW! There should be sales tax only...[/quoteac91b82947]
The gov't has to make money some how...[/quoteac91b82947]
how els r they suposed 2 fund teh warz they st4rt??[/quoteac91b82947]
n how r they sposed to kik the durty scotz owt?
KnightTrader
23-05-2007 14:47:39
Prior to World War 1, There was no icome tax. And the U.S government said that after the war, They'll get rid of the Income Tax, Never happened. The problem today is the government does more then it should. The government has no place regulating everything. Public education is a waste of tax dollars. Privatize it, And it'd be better for everyone. FDA? Another bonfire of tax dollars. Without the FDA the private sector will fulfill its role. Just like Credit ratings, Private companies assign ratings. Same with the diamond market, Private companies certify stones, Some more reputable then others. A private company will take over the role of the FDA. Social Security? Another huge chunk of the federal budget... Social securit is a legalized ponzi scam. Fact, anda socialist policy. Why should I be FORCED to give the government my money just to get it back in the future? Make it optional or eliminate it. I can go on, our government is a terrible at managing OUR money. Vote Libertarian.
www.LP.org
tinkerjenn
23-05-2007 14:52:53
Think about it this way...
If there is a sales tax on everything federally instead of just an income tax, all the illegal immigrants will actualy be paying tax to live and buy things here! hurrah.
theysayjump
23-05-2007 14:58:16
[quote6974617687="tylerc"][quote6974617687="theysayjump"][quote6974617687="samz465"][quote6974617687="Wolfeman"]I actually think income taxes BLOW! There should be sales tax only...[/quote6974617687]
The gov't has to make money some how...[/quote6974617687]
how els r they suposed 2 fund teh warz they st4rt??[/quote6974617687]
n how r they sposed to kik the durty scotz owt?[/quote6974617687]
onlee teh 1s from glasgow r soap dodjurs not us from edinburgh. rollsmyhiseyez
tylerc
23-05-2007 14:59:28
[quote70508173b4="theysayjump"][quote70508173b4="tylerc"][quote70508173b4="theysayjump"][quote70508173b4="samz465"][quote70508173b4="Wolfeman"]I actually think income taxes BLOW! There should be sales tax only...[/quote70508173b4]
The gov't has to make money some how...[/quote70508173b4]
how els r they suposed 2 fund teh warz they st4rt??[/quote70508173b4]
n how r they sposed to kik the durty scotz owt?[/quote70508173b4]
onlee teh 1s from glasgow r soap dodjurs not us from edinburgh. rollsmyhiseyez[/quote70508173b4]
no wai if u where kiltz u shud b kiked owt fur gud.
Wolfeman
23-05-2007 15:02:17
[quote0336e03793="tinkerjenn"]Think about it this way...
If there is a sales tax on everything federally instead of just an income tax, all the illegal immigrants will actualy be paying tax to live and buy things here! hurrah.[/quote0336e03793]
Thats my point ;)
tinkerjenn
23-05-2007 15:03:11
LOL!!
My mother's maiden name was Wallace...and her mother was born in Scotland - does that count? ;)
cubbieco
23-05-2007 16:55:22
While I appreciate all the writing in 1337 can we keep it to English please? I'm getting a headache.
And for those of us who can't watch this (work ( ) will somebody please post the cliff notes from this film?
And a federal sales tax is fine for me as long as I don't have to pay 20% tax on my food.