Should prostitution be legal?

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MyungChunHa

17-05-2007 12:59:14

http//www.askdanandjennifer.com/legalize-prostitution-poll-results.htm

Found this over at netscape and since the majority of their users are idiots, I wanted a fresh intelligent perspective on this issue.

I for one am leaning more towards legalizing it, if it were legal then it could be regulated and the women could be better protected. Most of the women are in dangerous situations because of pimps, diseases and drugs. If it were legal, pimps would be out of the picture, diseases would go down dramatically because of screenings and regulation and the women would be less inclined to take drugs.

The biggest issue of them all is should the government have infringe on your personal choices and tell you how to live your life, the obvious answer is no. I for one, do not like the government force their morals upon me and I should have free choice as long as I not affecting any one else's livelihood.

Here's some thoughts on the issue
http//www.populistamerica.com/does_the_constitution_contain_a_right_to_privacy

manOFice

17-05-2007 13:01:02

I'm down for legal prostitutes...that means I don't have to drive in dark alleys anymore

FreeOffersNow

17-05-2007 13:02:50

"What constitutes a prostitute is the pursuit of profit..." - Lupe Fiasco

manOFice

17-05-2007 13:03:50

I over pay for prostitutes.. maybe they can lower the prices if it's legal??

tylerc

17-05-2007 13:03:58

I suppose one of the arguments is "it's my body, I can do what I want with it." However, that raises the question about drugs. "Well, it's my body, I can shoot up crystal meth if I want."

I suppose I agree with legalizing prostitution, because porn is legal, the only real difference is the video camera and both parties are being paid. If there is a market for it, which there obviously is, why wouldn't the government want to capitalize on it? Think of the millions of dollars that aren't being reported on income taxes each year from prostitutes, if it's legalized and regulated, that's more money in the government's pocket. Not saying I would necessarily use their services, but I haven't really been presented with the situation.

TFOAF

17-05-2007 13:04:39

Yes, only if taxes are paid and reported, because it's a service and/or business.

manOFice

17-05-2007 13:04:58

[quotecbb561ce7b="tylerc"]I suppose one of the arguments is "it's my body, I can do what I want with it." However, that raises the question about drugs. "Well, it's my body, I can shoot up crystal meth if I want."

I suppose I agree with legalizing prostitution, because porn is legal, the only real difference is the video camera and both parties are being paid. If there is a market for it, which there obviously is, why wouldn't the government want to capitalize on it? Think of the millions of dollars that aren't being reported on income taxes each year from prostitutes, if it's legalized and regulated, that's more money in the government's pocket. Not saying I would necessarily use their services, but I haven't really been presented with the situation.[/quotecbb561ce7b]

Yes you do lol lol

FreeOffersNow

17-05-2007 13:11:30

Important Morality in Business

manOFice

17-05-2007 13:14:41

So what do you do?? I'm a legal prostitute......

I don't think it will ever happen and not a good idea.

MyungChunHa

17-05-2007 13:27:52

[quote0cd38909b3="FreeOffersNow"]"What constitutes a prostitute is the pursuit of profit..." - Lupe Fiasco[/quote0cd38909b3]
"The homie in a suit pat her on the butt, then rock it. It seems I was seein the same scene adopted. Prevalent in different things with the witnesses indifferent to stop it. They said don't knock it, mind ya business.
His business isn't mine and that nigga pimpin got it"

That's probably my favorite Lupe song, he has a new album dropping soon, not sure exactly when though..


[quote0cd38909b3="tylerc"]I suppose one of the arguments is "it's my body, I can do what I want with it." However, that raises the question about drugs. "Well, it's my body, I can shoot up crystal meth if I want."

I suppose I agree with legalizing prostitution, because porn is legal, the only real difference is the video camera and both parties are being paid. If there is a market for it, which there obviously is, why wouldn't the government want to capitalize on it? Think of the millions of dollars that aren't being reported on income taxes each year from prostitutes, if it's legalized and regulated, that's more money in the government's pocket. Not saying I would necessarily use their services, but I haven't really been presented with the situation.[/quote0cd38909b3]
That's another thing too, if it were taxed, the revenue would soar for the government. It's already legal in Nevada and Costa Rico, and I hear that it's really beneficial because it lowers crime rates and helps women in bad situations get better.

With [i0cd38909b3]real[/i0cd38909b3] drugs (meth, herion), it's a harder choice with legalization, one hand I support free choice if it's not harming others, but then again, those drugs are so incredibly bad, they almost have to be illegal or else it would make it seem less terrible to impressionable people and might cause some serious problems. They should really legalize pot and concentrate on the real threats.

dmorris68

17-05-2007 13:30:43

I think you'd be naive to believe that pimps and drug abuse would cease. I think all it would do is segregate the industry into two camps.

In one you'd have the high-end escort services and massage parlors that pay their employees well and see to their health care. However their prices would be high and they would be very selective of the "quality" of prostitutes they employed. No skanks and crack heads, thank you very much, we're a respectable establishment with an image to uphold! )

So then in the other camp you'd have what you have today. Girls who are disqualified from those "respectable establishments" because of their looks, intelligence, substance abuse problems, etc. would be forced back into the street to work illegally. And then you have their clientel that can't/won't pay the higher prices of said establishments. Now you're right back where you started, with girls exploited and endangered on the streets by both pimps and clients.

While there might be a fair number of "professional" quality prostitutes who would take advantage of the first category, I think the majority of the prostitution problems we have today are with street prostitution, and the players involved (girls, pimps, clients) would NOT transition to that first category. So what has been gained? You've just concentrated the desperate folks in that latter category, potentially making it more dangerous than it is now.

Just my thoughts. Some of that might be covered in the articles linked, but I didn't read them.

good2speed

17-05-2007 13:32:57

Its fine the way it is. And if it wasnt illegal we wouldnt have funny incidents such as

- Current DC scandal maybe involving Congress memebers
- player charged with soliciting a prostiute the ngith before the superbowl.
- Eddie Murphy getting busted for picking up a transvestite.
- la celeb prostituio/escort ring(Heidi Fleiss)

zwarrior99

17-05-2007 13:58:57

[quote3dc08424d9="O4F-Manofice"]I over pay for prostitutes.. maybe they can lower the prices if it's legal??[/quote3dc08424d9]

agree! legal fo sho only if it means lower prices otherwise ilegally is fine too doesnt stop me

Darkside

17-05-2007 14:23:46

[quote17309db19e="dmorris68"]I think you'd be naive to believe that pimps and drug abuse would cease. I think all it would do is segregate the industry into two camps.

In one you'd have the high-end escort services and massage parlors that pay their employees well and see to their health care. However their prices would be high and they would be very selective of the "quality" of prostitutes they employed. No skanks and crack heads, thank you very much, we're a respectable establishment with an image to uphold! )

So then in the other camp you'd have what you have today. Girls who are disqualified from those "respectable establishments" because of their looks, intelligence, substance abuse problems, etc. would be forced back into the street to work illegally. And then you have their clientel that can't/won't pay the higher prices of said establishments. Now you're right back where you started, with girls exploited and endangered on the streets by both pimps and clients.

While there might be a fair number of "professional" quality prostitutes who would take advantage of the first category, I think the majority of the prostitution problems we have today are with street prostitution, and the players involved (girls, pimps, clients) would NOT transition to that first category. So what has been gained? You've just concentrated the desperate folks in that latter category, potentially making it more dangerous than it is now.

Just my thoughts. Some of that might be covered in the articles linked, but I didn't read them.[/quote17309db19e]

I agree with what your saying, but name one instance when this has happened. I mean after the prohibition, people stopped selling moonshine. Not to impugn your point, but history usually repeats itself and I as far as I know, your theory has played out before.

CollidgeGraduit

17-05-2007 14:26:07

[quote976d13867e="Darkside"][quote976d13867e="dmorris68"]I think you'd be naive to believe that pimps and drug abuse would cease. I think all it would do is segregate the industry into two camps.

In one you'd have the high-end escort services and massage parlors that pay their employees well and see to their health care. However their prices would be high and they would be very selective of the "quality" of prostitutes they employed. No skanks and crack heads, thank you very much, we're a respectable establishment with an image to uphold! )

So then in the other camp you'd have what you have today. Girls who are disqualified from those "respectable establishments" because of their looks, intelligence, substance abuse problems, etc. would be forced back into the street to work illegally. And then you have their clientel that can't/won't pay the higher prices of said establishments. Now you're right back where you started, with girls exploited and endangered on the streets by both pimps and clients.

While there might be a fair number of "professional" quality prostitutes who would take advantage of the first category, I think the majority of the prostitution problems we have today are with street prostitution, and the players involved (girls, pimps, clients) would NOT transition to that first category. So what has been gained? You've just concentrated the desperate folks in that latter category, potentially making it more dangerous than it is now.

Just my thoughts. Some of that might be covered in the articles linked, but I didn't read them.[/quote976d13867e]

I agree with what your saying, but name one instance when this has happened. I mean after the prohibition, people stopped selling moonshine. Not to impugn your point, but history usually repeats itself and I as far as I know, your theory has played out before.[/quote976d13867e]

Alcohol is WAY different than prostitution.

Besides, you still have the segregated camps with alcohol. Some folks buy Old Milwaukee Special Reserve, and some folks buy Stella Artois. Some people drink Five o'Clock, and some drink Grey Goose.

gmario

17-05-2007 14:30:16

I think it should be legal for those who have a hard time with the real ladies and that don't care about paying for pleasure.

PS. Someone prove me if im wrong here

manOFice

17-05-2007 14:39:12

[quoteeecc08e90d="gmario"]I think it should be legal for those who have a hard time with the real ladies and that don't care about paying for pleasure.

PS. Someone prove me if im wrong here[/quoteeecc08e90d]

Gmario pays for the ladies..Yeeeeh (said like the ladies man) gehehe

Sakeena

17-05-2007 17:04:02

Honestly, I truly don't care one way are the other. Would make for a great debate though.

However, legalizing it would lead to
1) Religious leaders trying to save souls (those are always fun to watch!)
2) Health officials trying to save people's health (the whole STDS/AIDS debates)
3)Insecure wives/husbands protesting
4) Social Services/Children group activists protest (the whole "what would happen to the children born from all of this" debate)

shawng31

17-05-2007 17:35:18

doesnt that ALREADY happen and it IS still ILlegal?

Tholek

17-05-2007 17:51:43

It should be legalized when scientists come up with a way to get rid of the bitter aftertaste that is knowing you just paid for [id3508af555]that[/id3508af555]. ;)

cubbieco

17-05-2007 17:51:46

It really doesn't affect me. This is something that should be left for the state level. It's fine for Nevada. It will never pass as a law in a million years where I'm from in Utah. This is a time that the fed could leave well enough alone.

As for taxes, the tax code says that you need to recognize taxable income "from all sources." The only difference that legalizing it would mean is that the prostitutes could then deduct their expenses if its legal.

It's kind of funny, but the law requires you to recognize income from any source regardless of legality. However, you can only deduct expenses if they are legal. So for your drug dealing enterprise you have to pay taxes on the sales, but you can't deduct the expenses of obtaining your drugs, hiring that hitman, etc.

Al Capone is a great example of this. He was imprisoned for nothing more than tax evasion. The IRS got him when nobody else could.

roberto

17-05-2007 18:20:48

In Amsterdam its pretty much legal.

course you can go smoke a doobie and get laid afterwards.

Kind of weird having sex with someone that does 4-5 johns a day though dont you think?

Not my idea of sanity.

ilanbg

17-05-2007 20:12:13

[quote3de9540b19="dmorris68"]I think you'd be naive to believe that pimps and drug abuse would cease. I think all it would do is segregate the industry into two camps.

In one you'd have the high-end escort services and massage parlors that pay their employees well and see to their health care. However their prices would be high and they would be very selective of the "quality" of prostitutes they employed. No skanks and crack heads, thank you very much, we're a respectable establishment with an image to uphold! )

So then in the other camp you'd have what you have today. Girls who are disqualified from those "respectable establishments" because of their looks, intelligence, substance abuse problems, etc. would be forced back into the street to work illegally. And then you have their clientel that can't/won't pay the higher prices of said establishments. Now you're right back where you started, with girls exploited and endangered on the streets by both pimps and clients.[/quote3de9540b19]

No, man, there would be varying degrees of brothels. Just like there are some strip bars where you have to drop $500 a night and others where it's 'Buy one lapdance get one lapdance free,' there'd grow varying qualities of brothels that would charge different amounts. Cliental would pay for whatever they were willing to pay, even if it means going to a brothel that is as dirty as some of the illegal whorehouses nowadays.

[quote3de9540b19]While there might be a fair number of "professional" quality prostitutes who would take advantage of the first category, I think the majority of the prostitution problems we have today are with street prostitution, and the players involved (girls, pimps, clients) would NOT transition to that first category. So what has been gained? You've just concentrated the desperate folks in that latter category, potentially making it more dangerous than it is now.[/quote3de9540b19]

Pimps would be out of luck, although they could become legal pimps (i.e. managers), I guess. Prostitutes, I'd imagine, would prefer to work legally and get the various benefits (all mentioned in above posts) that come from that. Clients would probably prefer legal prostitutes because of the various benefits and because they'd be easier to find.

[quote3de9540b19="Sakeena"]However, legalizing it would lead to
1) Religious leaders trying to save souls (those are always fun to watch!)
2) Health officials trying to save people's health (the whole STDS/AIDS debates)
3)Insecure wives/husbands protesting
4) Social Services/Children group activists protest (the whole "what would happen to the children born from all of this" debate)[/quote3de9540b19]

1. Already exists, maybe might happen to a greater degree, who knows.
2. Sex with a prostitute who has to get screened on a monthly basis (guessing this is how often, as that's how often pornstars need to get screened) would probably be safer than picking up a random chick in a bar.
3. Already exists.
4. Prostitutes can get abortions, as a last resort. It's not like they have much of an incentive to get preggers anyway, since it puts them out of work—or at least in a less popular niche—for at least six months, and it's not like they wouldn't be using at least one form of birth control (and up to three; condoms, spermacide, pill, whatevs).

[quote3de9540b19="tylerc"]If there is a market for it, which there obviously is, why wouldn't the government want to capitalize on it? Think of the millions of dollars that aren't being reported on income taxes each year from prostitutes, if it's legalized and regulated, that's more money in the government's pocket. Not saying I would necessarily use their services, but I haven't really been presented with the situation.[/quote3de9540b19]

The government would not get much in terms of income tax. Since prostitutes would be dealing with cash they could declare whatever they want, and frankly there are much bigger economic issues for the government to deal with. But states might like it because they can sell 'prostitution licenses' in the same way they sell liquor licenses.

theysayjump

17-05-2007 20:47:02

I'm sure I've spoken about this before, but I think it should be legalised. In Edinburgh it's mainly managed by the local council (provided the girls work in indoors at saunas and the like).

When I was growing up, our part of town was pretty shite and overrun with pro's and it was a common occurrence to hear about them being beaten, raped, killed, arrested etc but as time went on, the area became (unbelievably) wealthy and they were moved along. Most of them went "indoors" and it really cut down on the number of above incidents.

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_Kingdom#Edinburgh

MyungChunHa

18-05-2007 08:04:00

[quotea9aa1257db="theysayjump"]I'm sure I've spoken about this before, but I think it should be legalised. In Edinburgh it's mainly managed by the local council (provided the girls work in indoors at saunas and the like).

When I was growing up, our part of town was pretty shite and overrun with pro's and it was a common occurrence to hear about them being beaten, raped, killed, arrested etc but as time went on, the area became (unbelievably) wealthy and they were moved along. Most of them went "indoors" and it really cut down on the number of above incidents.

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_Kingdom#Edinburgh[/quotea9aa1257db]
I feel like this would be exactly what happens, as time goes along it will get better and better.

I also slightly agree with dmorris though, I don't think it will stop it all together since the already drug addicted ones will find it hard to get into the legal business, but I feel that it would cut it down dramatically. Plus selling licenses would be a huge bonus for states like someone mentioned above. Around 5000 prostitutes at $500 a license (probably more considering how much they make) that's 2.5 million extra dollars right there (much more if it's a yearly thing and there will be more prostitutes)

There would almost definitely be different quality and sized brothels like ilanbg said, because that's the way business works, you have high quality and you have low quality as with anything (liquor, cereal) even services. So I don't think it will be that hard for the majority of them to find jobs.

Daggoth

18-05-2007 14:53:37

The primary problem is that prostitution is difficult to be taxed, so there is no reason for the United States to legalize it.

manOFice

18-05-2007 14:55:35

All this talk makes me wanna go get a prostitute.

bruman

18-05-2007 15:01:04

[quotea32b4d6228="O4F-Manofice"]All this talk makes me wanna go get a prostitute.[/quotea32b4d6228]

Aren't you married?

theysayjump

18-05-2007 20:06:42

[quote47f9170058="bruman"][quote47f9170058="O4F-Manofice"]All this talk makes me wanna go get a prostitute.[/quote47f9170058]

Aren't you married?[/quote47f9170058]

That's why he wants to go get a prostitute.

manOFice

18-05-2007 20:13:34

[quote28674c3f3d="bruman"][quote28674c3f3d="O4F-Manofice"]All this talk makes me wanna go get a prostitute.[/quote28674c3f3d]

Aren't you married?[/quote28674c3f3d]

Tis was a joke.

hawke12

19-05-2007 05:22:10

"Selling is Legal. FlililililiG is Legal........So, Why isn't Selling FlililililiG Legal!?!?" - George Carlin

;)

tylerc

19-05-2007 08:43:16

[quote30f8301833="O4F-Manofice"][quote30f8301833="bruman"][quote30f8301833="O4F-Manofice"]All this talk makes me wanna go get a prostitute.[/quote30f8301833]

Aren't you married?[/quote30f8301833]

Tis was a joke.[/quote30f8301833]

I think you mean 'twas a joke, lol.

"It is was a joke."

aviendha47

19-05-2007 19:40:57

I agree that prostitution should be legal. Much for the health benefit of the working girls and their clients, people who may well be going to prostitutes as it is without adequate protection. Here's a summary of the situation in Nevada where some of the counties do allow brothels.


http//www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/wikipedia/p/pr/prostitution_in_nevada.html

Some changes should be made to current laws if it were to become legal throughout the U.S. As it is in parts of Nevada the women work as iindependent contractors, I know someone mentioned about whether or not they'd be truthful and pay their taxes. If they were able to maintain an employee status there would be options to offer things like benefits and health care beyond what is required as to STD/HIV testing.

Tholek

20-05-2007 03:05:26

[quotef6a832f499="Daggoth"]The primary problem is that prostitution is difficult to be taxed, so there is no reason for the United States to legalize it.[/quotef6a832f499]

Audits would be interesting though...

scream12342

20-05-2007 12:17:37

I don't really agree with legal prostitution. However, I can see both sides on the issue. I think America, as a country, should look out for the well-being of its citizens, and if prostitution is legalized, our citizens will be at even greater risk of an STD infection. The HIV/AIDS infection rate will jump higher than ever, and more people will die from the disease each year. The other side of the issue is, America is a free country, and one should be able to do whatever he or she wants to. The prohibition of prostitution limits a person from his or her freedom, but then again, if America was a totally free country, should murder be legalized?

tylerc

20-05-2007 12:45:04

[quote55ae13244f="scream12342"]I don't really agree with legal prostitution. However, I can see both sides on the issue. I think America, as a country, should look out for the well-being of its citizens, and if prostitution is legalized, our citizens will be at even greater risk of an STD infection. The HIV/AIDS infection rate will jump higher than ever, and more people will die from the disease each year.[/quote55ae13244f]

Not necessarily.

If it was legalized and government-regulated, they would be screened more often and it could lead to [i55ae13244f]lower[/i55ae13244f] infection rates.

aviendha47

20-05-2007 15:34:59

Prostitutes in parts of Nevada are screened weekly. It is closely monitored so that no one is harmed.

scream12342

20-05-2007 16:27:25

I guess it the prostitutes were monitored it would be okay. However, I think it would make America stoop to an all-time moral low.

MyungChunHa

21-05-2007 11:04:43

[quotedde40f40f4="scream12342"]I guess it the prostitutes were monitored it would be okay. However, I think it would make America stoop to an all-time moral low.[/quotedde40f40f4]
I see that point and I guess it looks bad if it were legal, but I personally think it looks worse that the govenment intrudes on something as personal as sex. In reality that's all it is, it's just sex, I don't see what people find so repulsive of it. Nobody is hurt, in fact the complete opposite, both sides win. Legalizing murder would be the moral bottom for me, that's something that affects many, many others then just the offender.

We should always seperate business and pleasure, politics and personal lives, I don't like how they have laws regulating sexual activity like it was some kind of crime.

tylerc

21-05-2007 13:28:38

[quotec859886933="scream12342"]I guess it the prostitutes were monitored it would be okay. However, I think it would make America stoop to an all-time moral low.[/quotec859886933]

The job of the government is to protect our rights, not to be the moral police.

ilanbg

21-05-2007 15:10:52

[quotee19c45b0b8="scream12342"]I guess it the prostitutes were monitored it would be okay. However, I think it would make America stoop to an all-time moral low.[/quotee19c45b0b8]

I would have probably pegged Native American genocide, African-American slavery, dropping the atom bomb on Hiroshima, or Japanese-American internment camps to have been among America's all-time moral low, but I guess prostitution deserves its places among the list. shrug

mrwzk

21-05-2007 16:33:11

if it was legal there would be competition just like with everything else, of course there would be high end prostitution services which were very expensive with a disease free gaurentee and only very attractive girls. and than there would the same crack whores that exist today. you get what you pay for, the crack whores wouldn't be forced into illegal prostitution again they just wouldnt be in the high end market.

than again if prostitution was legal and they accepted credit cards (cant use them now trust me wink ) than there would be a whole other set of issues of wifes looking on credit card statements and seeing a prostitute on there from a drunken night.

should be legalized, its too damn hard now to find a good prositute, sex in alley ways would no longer be the case, nice rooms would be provided.

MyungChunHa

21-05-2007 16:35:54

[quote249ae6433a="ilanbg"][quote249ae6433a="scream12342"]I guess it the prostitutes were monitored it would be okay. However, I think it would make America stoop to an all-time moral low.[/quote249ae6433a]

I would have probably pegged Native American genocide, African-American slavery, dropping the atom bomb on Hiroshima, or Japanese-American internment camps to have been among America's all-time moral low, but I guess prostitution deserves its places among the list. shrug[/quote249ae6433a]
lol
One of the few times that I ACTUALLY laughed out loud on teh intranet! +KMA

KnightTrader

22-05-2007 12:47:28

[quote7083aab201="TFOAF"]Yes, only if taxes are paid and reported, because it's a service and/or business.[/quote7083aab201]

Government fearing man! Good reason to, They'll lock you up if you don't pay their taxes....

I for one agree that Prositituion should be legal, as should drugs. The government has no place telling me what I can do to MY body. I am an advocate of liberty, and support legalizing all drugs / prostitution.
www.LP.org

Legalize guns in every state as well. Why not? The "Bad guys" or criminals, already know where to get guns, and can get them, Why not put them in the hands of good men to?

tylerc

22-05-2007 12:57:57

[quote2a90ec322d="KnightTrader"][quote2a90ec322d="TFOAF"]Yes, only if taxes are paid and reported, because it's a service and/or business.[/quote2a90ec322d]

Government fearing man! Good reason to, They'll lock you up if you don't pay their taxes....

I for one agree that Prositituion should be legal, as should drugs. The government has no place telling me what I can do to MY body. I am an advocate of liberty, and support legalizing all drugs / prostitution.
www.LP.org

Legalize guns in every state as well. Why not? The "Bad guys" or criminals, already know where to get guns, and can get them, Why not put them in the hands of good men to?[/quote2a90ec322d]

Agreed.

Though some drugs (heroin, crystal meth, and crack) should be controlled.

MyungChunHa

22-05-2007 13:06:04

[quotec2c456c53f="tylerc"][quotec2c456c53f="KnightTrader"][quotec2c456c53f="TFOAF"]Yes, only if taxes are paid and reported, because it's a service and/or business.[/quotec2c456c53f]

Government fearing man! Good reason to, They'll lock you up if you don't pay their taxes....

I for one agree that Prositituion should be legal, as should drugs. The government has no place telling me what I can do to MY body. I am an advocate of liberty, and support legalizing all drugs / prostitution.
www.LP.org

Legalize guns in every state as well. Why not? The "Bad guys" or criminals, already know where to get guns, and can get them, Why not put them in the hands of good men to?[/quotec2c456c53f]

Agreed.

Though some drugs (heroin, crystal meth, and crack) should be controlled.[/quotec2c456c53f]
This is one of the most tricky subjects, I just really can't make up my mind...

On one hand, I believe in free choice and all, but legalize herion and other "real" drugs seems outrageous to me. At teh very least, it should be controlled because it might be too easy to influence kids with it being legal.

On the other, kids should really be mentored by their parents and already know what not to do and that it will completely take away everything you love.

Guns are another story, "if we had more of them, then we could stop the criminals when we need to" This isn't true, guns would be easily obtainable and therefore make it easier for on-the-verge-of criminals to perform violent acts. I doubt this would make gun crimes go down, fighting fire with fire never works.

ilanbg

22-05-2007 13:10:39

[quote93d0f66c00="mrwzk"]than again if prostitution was legal and they accepted credit cards (cant use them now trust me wink ) than there would be a whole other set of issues of wifes looking on credit card statements and seeing a prostitute on there from a drunken night.[/quote93d0f66c00]

Like most other sex-related businesses, whorehouses would probably be able to hide the name of their business for the sake of their patrons.

Without getting too off-topic, I'm against legalization of drugs, with the exception of marijuana. The role of the government is to protect its citizens, not let them do whatever they want. I'm against gun control because it's ingrained in our (U.S.) history and people are too attached to guns to give them up.

aviendha47

22-05-2007 14:26:55

Generally, more guns doesn't necessarily mean more crime in some places.

From http//usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa030500c.htm

Are Canada's gun laws effective? Here are some figures from the Canadian Firearms Centre

li There are an estimated 7.4 million firearms in Canada, about 1.2 million of which are restricted firearms (mostly handguns). In the U.S., there are approximately 222 million firearms; 76 million of the firearms in circulation are handguns.
li For 1987-96, on average, 65% of homicides in the U.S. involved firearms, compared to 32% for Canada
li For 1987-96, the average firearm homicide rate was 5.7 per 100,000 in the U.S., compared to 0.7 per 100,000 for Canada.
li For 1989-95, the average handgun homicide rate was 4.8 per 100,000 in the U.S., compared to 0.3 per 100,000 for Canada. Handguns were involved in more than half (52%) of the homicides in the U.S., compared to 14% in Canada.
li For 1989-95, the average non-firearm homicide rate was 3.1 per 100,000 people in the U.S., compared to 1.6 per 100,000 for Canada.

MyungChunHa

22-05-2007 15:18:22

[quote057cb08eda="aviendha47"]Generally, more guns doesn't necessarily mean more crime in some places.

From http//usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa030500c.htm

Are Canada's gun laws effective? Here are some figures from the Canadian Firearms Centre

li There are an estimated 7.4 million firearms in Canada, about 1.2 million of which are restricted firearms (mostly handguns). In the U.S., there are approximately 222 million firearms; 76 million of the firearms in circulation are handguns.
li For 1987-96, on average, 65% of homicides in the U.S. involved firearms, compared to 32% for Canada
li For 1987-96, the average firearm homicide rate was 5.7 per 100,000 in the U.S., compared to 0.7 per 100,000 for Canada.
li For 1989-95, the average handgun homicide rate was 4.8 per 100,000 in the U.S., compared to 0.3 per 100,000 for Canada. Handguns were involved in more than half (52%) of the homicides in the U.S., compared to 14% in Canada.
li For 1989-95, the average non-firearm homicide rate was 3.1 per 100,000 people in the U.S., compared to 1.6 per 100,000 for Canada.[/quote057cb08eda]
But your statistics show that less firearms produce less homicides...

aviendha47

23-05-2007 00:19:31

Thanks, I'll read what I post next time ) Or at least not get the percentages backwards.

MyungChunHa

23-05-2007 05:46:48

[quoteb230b2fbc7="aviendha47"]Thanks, I'll read what I post next time )[/quoteb230b2fbc7]
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