[quote3797a6e06f="Wolfeman"][quote3797a6e06f="condra"]up and downs here
global warming? hell no
global climate change more likely. it changes to medium temp. being a lot more hot, but in some places the weather is just going crazy D[/quote3797a6e06f]
I think we don't have nearly enough info to say global warming is doing anything...[/quote3797a6e06f]
We have more than enough data to suggest that Global Climate Change / Warming is real. Here are a couple of bullets points and a couple of other comments...
according to NOAA, 2005 had
[list3797a6e06f][li3797a6e06f]Warmest average global temperature on record
[li3797a6e06f]Lowest Northern Hemisphere sea ice extent on record
[li3797a6e06f]Highest number of named storms and hurricanes in Atlantic on record
[li3797a6e06f]Northwest U.S. snowpack less than 50% of normal[/listu3797a6e06f]
Even more to the point, global temperature has risen 0.6°C (1.1°F) since 1900, and the rate of increase has tripled over the past 30 years. But, it's easy to dismiss the data as just illustrative of the past 100 years, as a cyclical event, but if you look at the data there's a distinct upward trend since the industrial revolution. I don't have the data here, but I'll grab the charts for the past few hundred years that show an increase in global CO2, temperature and "greenhouse gas" tomorrow if anyone's interested. Furthermore, it's hard to dismiss Science's
thorough review of the record[=http//www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686] thorough review of the record which shows all of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, all major scientific bodies in the United States, and 928 refereed articles either agree, or do not refute global climate change caused by humans.
Furthermore, even places like junkscience.com include charts on their website like this one that show the effects of global warming

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Finally, that the hole in the ozone is smaller, or not of concern can be statistically attributed to late 1980's ban of CFCs.