I have a quick question about Crash (the film).

Okay so I have to write a film review on this movie and I am kind of confused about the Persian shopkeeper situation.

Who were the people who trashed his shop? Was it the gun salesman? Does the movie ever really tell you who did it?

Thanks for the quick help (and +karma).

Nobody knows who trashed the Persian guy's shop. He just assumes it's the locksmith and his "pals".

Yea it doesn't ever tell you specifically. One would assume that it was the locksmith because of the way the shopkeeper was treating him.

[quotebdba942c67="unknown uchiha"]Nobody knows who trashed the Persian guy's shop. He just assumes it's the locksmith and his "pals".[/quotebdba942c67]

Oh okay.

Yeah and we can see that the movie hints to us that it wasn't the locksmith at all. I was just wondering if I missed a part where the movie tells us that it was the gun salesmen.

If that were so than it would be ridiculous IMO.

I find it funny how every single person in this movie is a pretentious racist bigot.

But the locksmith wouldn't do that. I think you're not supposed to know who broke in, as it wasn't considered relevant to the film. The lock was busted, so anybody banging or prying on the door trying to get in could have done so. I think it was meant to be portrayed as a random act that was indicative of the neighborhood. I don't even think the Persian man suspected the locksmith of committing the break-in, I think he just blamed him for not fixing the lock (even though the locksmith tried to tell him it was the door that was busted). shrug

[quotee5e693eacc="J4320"]I find it funny how every single person in this movie is a pretentious racist bigot.[/quotee5e693eacc]

I think you missed the point of the movie.

[quoteebbb922340="dmorris68"]But the locksmith wouldn't do that. I think you're not supposed to know who broke in, as it wasn't considered relevant to the film. The lock was busted, so anybody banging or prying on the door trying to get in could have done so. I think it was meant to be portrayed as a random act that was indicative of the neighborhood. [bebbb922340]I don't even think the Persian man suspected the locksmith of committing the break-in[/bebbb922340], I think he just blamed him for not fixing the lock (even though the locksmith tried to tell him it was the door that was busted). shrug[/quoteebbb922340]

o rly?

Is that why the Persian man went to the locksmith's house with a gun and attempted to shoot him?

lol

It's okay, you probably haven't seen the movie in a while. It's fresh on my mind right now. ;)

And as for this statement ---

[quoteebbb922340]The lock was busted, so anybody banging or prying on the door trying to get in could have done so. I think it was meant to be portrayed as a random act that was indicative of the neighborhood. [/quoteebbb922340]

They wrote racial slurs against Middle Eastern people on the walls and stuff. I think the movie was trying to portray it as a hate crime.

It was Ryan Phillipe.

The locksmith was blamed for not fixing the lock properly...and the store owner person got mad because he didn't fix the door either.

I believe the one who trashed his store was the locksmith because of the horrible ways he was treated.

[quote0f05f1f479="Dr. Doom"][quote0f05f1f479="J4320"]I find it funny how every single person in this movie is a pretentious racist bigot.[/quote0f05f1f479]

I think you missed the point of the movie.[/quote0f05f1f479]

No I didn't miss the point, I know what it was trying to prove and it was very well done, but having every single person in the movie being extremely racist is unreasonable.

[quoteeb27c50764="J4320"][quoteeb27c50764="dmorris68"]But the locksmith wouldn't do that. I think you're not supposed to know who broke in, as it wasn't considered relevant to the film. The lock was busted, so anybody banging or prying on the door trying to get in could have done so. I think it was meant to be portrayed as a random act that was indicative of the neighborhood. [beb27c50764]I don't even think the Persian man suspected the locksmith of committing the break-in[/beb27c50764], I think he just blamed him for not fixing the lock (even though the locksmith tried to tell him it was the door that was busted). shrug[/quoteeb27c50764]

o rly?

Is that why the Persian man went to the locksmith's house with a gun and attempted to shoot him?

lol

It's okay, you probably haven't seen the movie in a while. It's fresh on my mind right now. ;)

And as for this statement ---

[quoteeb27c50764]The lock was busted, so anybody banging or prying on the door trying to get in could have done so. I think it was meant to be portrayed as a random act that was indicative of the neighborhood. [/quoteeb27c50764]

They wrote racial slurs against Middle Eastern people on the walls and stuff. I think the movie was trying to portray it as a hate crime.[/quoteeb27c50764]

I think what David meant was that the locksmith wasn't blamed for the break in, he was blamed for not fixing the lock/door which if he had done, the break in wouldn't have happened.

The persian guy went to the blacksmith's house with the gun since he felt he was responsible for not fixing the door, not because he thought he had broken in.

The persian guy played pinter.

[quote3ae55d9849="theysayjump"][quote3ae55d9849="J4320"][quote3ae55d9849="dmorris68"]But the locksmith wouldn't do that. I think you're not supposed to know who broke in, as it wasn't considered relevant to the film. The lock was busted, so anybody banging or prying on the door trying to get in could have done so. I think it was meant to be portrayed as a random act that was indicative of the neighborhood. [b3ae55d9849]I don't even think the Persian man suspected the locksmith of committing the break-in[/b3ae55d9849], I think he just blamed him for not fixing the lock (even though the locksmith tried to tell him it was the door that was busted). shrug[/quote3ae55d9849]

o rly?

Is that why the Persian man went to the locksmith's house with a gun and attempted to shoot him?

lol

It's okay, you probably haven't seen the movie in a while. It's fresh on my mind right now. ;)

And as for this statement ---

[quote3ae55d9849]The lock was busted, so anybody banging or prying on the door trying to get in could have done so. I think it was meant to be portrayed as a random act that was indicative of the neighborhood. [/quote3ae55d9849]

They wrote racial slurs against Middle Eastern people on the walls and stuff. I think the movie was trying to portray it as a hate crime.[/quote3ae55d9849]

I think what David meant was that the locksmith wasn't blamed for the break in, he was blamed for not fixing the lock/door which if he had done, the break in wouldn't have happened.[/quote3ae55d9849]

But the locksmith wasn't supposed to fix the door. ) Just the lock.

[quotec9f25258b9="TFOAF"]The locksmith was blamed for not fixing the lock properly...and the store owner person got mad because he didn't fix the door either.

[bc9f25258b9]I believe the one who trashed his store was the locksmith because of the horrible ways he was treated.[/bc9f25258b9][/quotec9f25258b9]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't. The movie was trying to show how the Persian man automatically assumed it was the locksmith when in fact, it was a very large misconception. So I think the locksmith is out of the picture.

I don't think I can really say who did it in my review because there is not enough evidence to support it. If it really was the gun salesman than that would be really dumb IMO.

[quote33e2f07fcf="TFOAF"][quote33e2f07fcf="theysayjump"]I think what David meant was that the locksmith wasn't blamed for the break in, he was blamed for not fixing the lock/door which if he had done, the break in wouldn't have happened.[/quote33e2f07fcf]

But the locksmith wasn't supposed to fix the door. ) Just the lock.[/quote33e2f07fcf]

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[quotec842e0f691="J4320"]

I find it funny how every single person in this movie is a pretentious racist bigot.[/quotec842e0f691]
It's not so funny when you realize it's more of a reality then you think

[quote2d275b1a4e="J4320"]I don't think I can really say who did it in my review because there is not enough evidence to support it. If it really was the gun salesman than that would be really dumb IMO.[/quote2d275b1a4e]
Well, they were showing another layer of racism in effect when it came to the store being busted up. It was just a bunch of people that hated the man for being an arab (remember the graffiti?).

[quote05d55446a8="hehehhehe"][b05d55446a8]The persian guy went to the blacksmith's house with the gun since he felt he was responsible for not fixing the door, not because he thought he had broken in.[/b05d55446a8]

The persian guy played pinter.[/quote05d55446a8]

I really don't think that is why. It would be much more reasonable for the Persian guy to assume that the locksmith and some of his "homies" trashed his store, especially after their little fight.

"None of this would have ever happened if that idiot locksmith would've just fixed my damn lock/door. I think I'll go to his house and shoot him to death."

lol

[quotedc5e1d6da0="Tsmith10803"][quotedc5e1d6da0="J4320"]

I find it funny how every single person in this movie is a pretentious racist bigot.[/quotedc5e1d6da0]
It's not so funny when you realize it's more of a reality then you think[/quotedc5e1d6da0]

QFT

[quoteb5c701d968="J4320"]I really don't think that is why. It would be much more reasonable for the Persian guy to assume that the locksmith and some of his "homies" trashed his store, especially after their little fight.

"None of this would have ever happened if that idiot locksmith would've just fixed my damn lock/door. I think I'll go to his house and shoot him to death."

lol[/quoteb5c701d968]
Did you forget that whole scene where the guy is trying to get money from the insurer, and then the insurance agent tells him he can't reimburse him because of the faulty lock/door?

If he thought the locksmith had broken in, he would've gone after him right away.

[quoted478706338="Tsmith10803"][quoted478706338="J4320"]

I find it funny how every single person in this movie is a pretentious racist bigot.[/quoted478706338]
It's not so funny when you realize it's more of a reality then you think[/quoted478706338]

Yes I know it's a reality. I just didn't like how the director had to make everyone a crazy racist. Not everyone is like that. And I know he made them racist to prove a point but I just don't like how 100% of them are completely racist.

[quoteaefbf04eee="J4320"][quoteaefbf04eee="Dr. Doom"][quoteaefbf04eee="J4320"]I find it funny how every single person in this movie is a pretentious racist bigot.[/quoteaefbf04eee]

I think you missed the point of the movie.[/quoteaefbf04eee]

No I didn't miss the point, I know what it was trying to prove and it was very well done, but having every single person in the movie being extremely racist is unreasonable.[/quoteaefbf04eee]

Care to explain it to me? Because from your comments in this thread, it seems to me that you very much missed the point of the movie.

Case in point

[quoteaefbf04eee="J4320"]"None of this would have ever happened if that idiot locksmith would've just fixed my damn lock/door. I think I'll go to his house and shoot him to death."

lol [/quoteaefbf04eee]

[quote80c4843a8f="hehehhehe"][quote80c4843a8f="J4320"]I really don't think that is why. It would be much more reasonable for the Persian guy to assume that the locksmith and some of his "homies" trashed his store, especially after their little fight.

"None of this would have ever happened if that idiot locksmith would've just fixed my damn lock/door. I think I'll go to his house and shoot him to death."

lol[/quote80c4843a8f]
Did you forget that whole scene where the guy is trying to get money from the insurer, and then the insurance agent tells him he can't reimburse him because of the faulty lock/door?

If he thought the locksmith had broken in, he would've gone after him right away.[/quote80c4843a8f]

Well wasn't that part before he took out the trash and found the locksmiths name? It just seems like the Persian guy was in a feeling of desperation when he was putting the trash away and when he thought back to his fight he had with the locksmith he just assumed that it was him who trashed his shop.

And that's what I thought the scene was trying to prove how he assumed it was the "dirty Mexican" and his amigos who trashed his shop. It just seems to make more sense to me that way.

[quote22a13966eb="Dr. Doom"][quote22a13966eb="J4320"][quote22a13966eb="Dr. Doom"][quote22a13966eb="J4320"]I find it funny how every single person in this movie is a pretentious racist bigot.[/quote22a13966eb]

I think you missed the point of the movie.[/quote22a13966eb]

No I didn't miss the point, I know what it was trying to prove and it was very well done, but having every single person in the movie being extremely racist is unreasonable.[/quote22a13966eb]

Care to explain it to me? Because from your comments in this thread, it seems to me that you very much missed the point of the movie.

Case in point

[quote22a13966eb="J4320"]"None of this would have ever happened if that idiot locksmith would've just fixed my damn lock/door. I think I'll go to his house and shoot him to death."

lol [/quote22a13966eb][/quote22a13966eb]

How could I possibly miss the point of this movie? It's not hard to miss at all.

That statement that you quoted me from was taken out of context. I wasn't trying to prove how stupid the movie was, I was just trying to show how it would be more logical if the Persian guy assumed it was the locksmith who did the trashing, not the Persian guy getting mad at the locksmith for not fixing the lock properly and then going to kill him for it.

If it's not hard to miss the point, why don't you come out and say it already?

[quoteed0d2910eb="Dr. Doom"]If it's not hard to miss the point, why don't you come out and say it already?[/quoteed0d2910eb]

The point of this thread was to find out who did the trashing. Obviously, there isn't enough evidence to know who did it.

The point of the movie (I'll even copy and paste it from my paper) was to show the audience how racism exists and it can adversely affect our lives.

I have no problem with admitting that and I liked the movie. I just didn't like how every single person in the movie was extremely racist.

[quote0a6cc350b3="Dr. Doom"]If it's not hard to miss the point, why don't you come out and say it already?[/quote0a6cc350b3]

I am pretty sure he was being sarcastic in his comments...

[quoted8c7674910="Daggoth"][quoted8c7674910="Dr. Doom"]If it's not hard to miss the point, why don't you come out and say it already?[/quoted8c7674910]

I am pretty sure he was being sarcastic in his comments...[/quoted8c7674910]

Yeah exactly. My statement that he quoted me from was pure sarcasm to show how unreasonable it would be for the Persian guy to go kill the locksmith because the lock was not fixed properly. He took it out of context.

[quotec6239f73d0="J4320"]Well wasn't that part before he took out the trash and found the locksmiths name? It just seems like the Persian guy was in a feeling of desperation when he was putting the trash away and when he thought back to his fight he had with the locksmith he just assumed that it was him who trashed his shop.[/quotec6239f73d0]
If he thought it was the locksmith he could've called the police. When he called the locksmith shop, he never told them he thought their guy had broken in and busted up his shop and sent the police there.

There were so many clues that he didn't suspect the locksmith (the insurance one especially). Everybody here is telling you you got it all wrong on the break-in (except for tfoaf...). I would really not use your theory on the break-in just in case your teacher/prof saw the movie too.

[quotec6239f73d0="J4320"]And that's what I thought the scene was trying to prove how he assumed it was the "dirty Mexican" and his amigos who trashed his shop. It just seems to make more sense to me that way.[/quotec6239f73d0]
Yikes...

[quote3476a01eb0="hehehhehe"][quote3476a01eb0="J4320"]Well wasn't that part before he took out the trash and found the locksmiths name? It just seems like the Persian guy was in a feeling of desperation when he was putting the trash away and when he thought back to his fight he had with the locksmith he just assumed that it was him who trashed his shop.[/quote3476a01eb0]
If he thought it was the locksmith he could've called the police. When he called the locksmith shop, he never told them he thought their guy had broken in and busted up his shop and sent the police there.

There were so many clues that he didn't suspect the locksmith (the insurance one especially). Everybody here is telling you you got it all wrong on the break-in (except for tfoaf...). I would really not use your theory on the break-in just in case your teacher/prof saw the movie too.

[quote3476a01eb0="J4320"]And that's what I thought the scene was trying to prove how he assumed it was the "dirty Mexican" and his amigos who trashed his shop. It just seems to make more sense to me that way.[/quote3476a01eb0]
Yikes...[/quote3476a01eb0]

Just to clarify, I'm not calling the Mexican race dirty Mexicans or anything. I have nothing against them. I'm was just trying to portray the Persian guy's views.

As for the rest of your post hehehehe, I haven't read it yet. I'll get back to this thread once I finish my paper as my time is running short.

[quotea1879ea126="J4320"]The point of the movie (I'll even copy and paste it from my paper) was to show the audience how racism exists and it can adversely affect our lives.[/quotea1879ea126]

I think that is a very simplistic way of putting it that misses the finer nuances of the film (it is an Academy Award winning film, after all).

[quotea1879ea126="J4320"]My statement that he quoted me from was pure sarcasm to show how unreasonable it would be for the Persian guy to go kill the locksmith because the lock was not fixed properly.[/quotea1879ea126]

But that's exactly what happened. There is no indication at all that he suspected the locksmith of vandalizing his store. He knew that his store was in danger of being robbed because of the broken lock. His store was broken into anyways, despite his effort to have the lock fixed. In his arrogance, he saw that he had done his part to protect his livelihood, so he blamed the locksmith for not doing his job properly.

Yeah, possibly your big mistake, J3420, is that you assume the persian guy was acting rationally. He wasn't, and that's why it makes sense to most of us that he went out and wanted the locksmith to pay. The guy was already so pissed off at the racism directed towards him, and on top of that, his store, his livelihood had been destroyed and he was possibly going to lose it all. It took the little girl being "shot" to snap him back to reality. (This was my favorite scene of the movie when I first saw it in the theater.)

[quoted7c04815f0="hehehhehe"]Yeah, possibly your big mistake, J3420, is that you assume the persian guy was acting rationally. He wasn't, and that's why it makes sense to most of us that he went out and wanted the locksmith to pay. The guy was already so pissed off at the racism directed towards him, and on top of that, his store, his livelihood had been destroyed and he was possibly going to lose it all. It took the little girl being "shot" to snap him back to reality. (This was my favorite scene of the movie when I first saw it in the theater.)[/quoted7c04815f0]

Argh I have to stop coming back to this thread.

Have to finish paper...

lol

Anyway, before I go back to my paper, where did I say that the Persian guy was acting rationally? I don't recall ever saying that.

[quoteb99029b326="J4320"]Anyway, before I go back to my paper, where did I say that the Persian guy was acting rationally? I don't recall ever saying that.[/quoteb99029b326]
Here
[quoteb99029b326="J4320"]I really don't think that is why. It would be much more reasonable for the Persian guy to assume that the locksmith and some of his "homies" trashed his store, especially after their little fight.

"None of this would have ever happened if that idiot locksmith would've just fixed my damn lock/door. I think I'll go to his house and shoot him to death."

lol[/quoteb99029b326]
You don't use the work 'rational' (although reasonable is a synonym i think), but the quote especially shows that you expect him to act rationally.

[quote92d2e50202="J4320"]My statement that he quoted me from was pure sarcasm to show how unreasonable it would be for the Persian guy to go kill the locksmith because the lock was not fixed properly.[/quote92d2e50202]

EDIT Damnit hehehhhe you foil my plan again.

Muhahahahhaha...

I time it exactly so that I get it in right before you.

Oh okay I can see where you guys are coming from.

[quote57efee1990]It would be much more reasonable for the Persian guy to assume that the locksmith and some of his "homies" trashed his store, especially after their little fight.[/quote57efee1990]

When I said reasonable I was talking about how the plot of it would be more reasonable, not that it would be smart for the Persian to go and assume that it was the Hispanic guy.

And you're right about the advice to me about not using this hehehe, I'm not going to use this example in my paper as it can be looked at in different ways IMO.

[quote6d8d269da4="J4320"]And you're right about the advice to me about not using this hehehe, I'm not going to use this example in my paper as it can be looked at in different ways IMO.[/quote6d8d269da4]
Yeah I think that's safer.

[quote50086bb31e="dmorris68"]But the locksmith wouldn't do that. I think you're not supposed to know who broke in, as it wasn't considered relevant to the film. The lock was busted, so anybody banging or prying on the door trying to get in could have done so. I think it was meant to be portrayed as a random act that was indicative of the neighborhood. I don't even think the Persian man suspected the locksmith of committing the break-in, I think he just blamed him for not fixing the lock (even though the locksmith tried to tell him it was the door that was busted). shrug[/quote50086bb31e]

dmorris68 got it pretty damn close.

lol the persian guy didn't think the locksmith trashed his store he was just pissed because he knew he fucked up, not the locksmith so in his angry desperation he went to find the locksmith to seek revenge for what happened to his store even though the locksmith had nothing to do with it but it was the only way to get back at someone who trashed the store. whoever trashed the store, it was irrelevant to the story; the whole thing is how everything/everyone is connected

i think

Yeah now that I watch the scene again I realized that the chances of my theory being correct are slim. ?

Anyway, it was good to kind of debate with you guys on this. If I didn't make this thread I would have had the wrong impression and I might have put it in my paper. shock

Thanks guys. )

I think the +karma should go to dmorris for having it right all along. lol

I'll get around to getting a few of you karma in here for helping out. I owe a lot of karma between this thread and the car audio one. P