Collge Football is a joke!!!!

Ok....I'll preface this by saying that I am a disgruntled Michigan fan and that pry has something to do with it. But let me get this straight......

The only team that both USC and UofM both played that mattered is ND. Let's be honest here, the only 2 teams of any stature that Notre Dame played were UofM and USC. Michigan won by 26 points, and USC won by 20. I would call that a wash for both teams.

Now they both are one loss teams. Here's where it becomes a joke. Michigan's only loss is to #1 Ohio State by 3 points, and USC's only loss is to unranked Oregon State by 2 points. I just do not get how anyone can say USC is number 2 really.

I understand the argument that Michigan had their chance, let someone else try (USC), but the BCS was designed to pair up the TOP 2 teams in the country. I think if you lose to an unranked team you are not one of those top 2 teams.

My prediction (if USC doesn't find a way to choke to unranked UCLA next week) is that Michigan will dominate the Rose Bowl, which is cool enough, and Ohio State will embarrass USC. Watching college football all year, I honestly think Michigan is the ONLY team that will give Ohio State an actual game. Something tells me it's all about TV ratings and that's why USC will get the nod....

Let me know what you guys think....

today right after the Patriots game ended they were discussing the possibility of Flordia jumping Michigan... this system is a fucking joke

USC.

Michigan had their chance against Ohio State, they blew it.

I think it'd be a better game if Michigan and OSU played again, but with this garbage system Michigan might not get their chance again.

Though USC and many other teams have also been ripped off by this system in the past couple of years so this is nothing new.

Michigan already played OSU, and lost. It just so happens that this was the year they played at OSU, and they were ranked 1-2. Michigan is still a very, very good football team, but USC deserves their chance to take a stab at the almighty Buckeyes.

As an Ohio State fan, I totally agree with you Ilovetoys (except for the fact that Michigan would dominate the Rose Bowl..haha)

But yeah it is a joke and Michigan did have their chance. I believe that there should be a rematch between OSU and Michigan although if Michigan did win the Rose Bowl, that there would be split nat champions because of the fact that OSU did win the first game (LSU and USC 2 yrs ago I believe).

The fact that USC will get to play in the Nat Championship reminds me when OSU played Miami in the Fiesta bowl in 2002 I believe.

Everyone (including myself0 thought that Miami would destroy OSU but the result ended up in OSU winning the Nat Championship.

The same could happen for USC, but I doubt it. I think that Michigan does deserve to play a rematch but the gay as BCS wont let it happen.

[quotefb23649ada="justinag06"]Michigan had their chance against Ohio State, they blew it.[/quotefb23649ada]
blew it?

that was the best college football game ive seen in years

They lost. They had their chance, they lost, they blew it.

Sure it was a great game, but a win is a win and a loss is a loss.

New BCS rankings are up

1. Ohio State
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. LSU
6. Louisville
7. Wisconsin
8. Boise State
9. Arkansas
10. Notre Dame (HAHA YES!)
11. Auburn
12. Oklahoma

Complete rankings

http//sports.espn.go.com/ncf/BCSStandings

Another question--isn't the Fiesta Bowl the BCS title game? I keep seeing predictions online for OSU-USC in the title game, then 2 other teams in the Fiesta Bowl.

[quote300f09b1f0="tylerc"]They lost. They had their chance, they lost, they blew it.

Sure it was a great game, but a win is a win and a loss is a loss.[/quote300f09b1f0]
regardless of whether they "blew it" shouldn't the best 2 teams play?

Yeah, but welcome to the BCS things don't always end up pretty.

also you shouldn't compare USC to Michigan by how they both beat ND.

They had their chance and blew it? That's not what the BCS was designed for. It was designed so the top 2 teams would play for the title, whether they played each other or not is really a nonissue.

And this year there is a 5th BCS game. The 4 we had before + the title game. Rather than rotate from year to year, they have gone to just rotating sponsors.

[quote6e49ab7cbf="tylerc"]They lost. They had their chance, they lost, they blew it. all

Sure it was a great game, but a win is a win and a loss is a loss.[/quote6e49ab7cbf]

a win is a win...a loss is a loss....so why isn't boise state playing osu then? They are undefeated you know.....

USC and Michigan will both be 11-1. Michigan lost to #1 and USC lost to no 1. It comes down to who lost early. If Michigan lost game 1 of their season to OSU and won the next 11 they'd be there....

[quoted410218351="justinag06"]Yeah, but welcome to the BCS things don't always end up pretty.

also you shouldn't compare USC to Michigan by how they both beat ND.[/quoted410218351]
you just said you want usc to play osu, then you suggested the right or pretty ending would be michigan against osu.. i dont get it?

anyway, i think schedules need to be changed.. there are so many times when great teams play shit schools. they could be playing real schools to prevent these grey areas at the end of the season.

I love ND, but they did really suck. The game could have been so much closer if darius didn't keep fucking it up along with the other receivers. I like brady quinn though. ) Oh well. I know they are not the best, but they are my favorite team. The game was so sloppy.

[quote795a3e5e1f="zdub08"][quote795a3e5e1f="justinag06"]Yeah, but welcome to the BCS things don't always end up pretty.

also you shouldn't compare USC to Michigan by how they both beat ND.[/quote795a3e5e1f]
you just said you want usc to play osu, then you suggested the right or pretty ending would be michigan against osu.. i dont get it?

anyway, i think schedules need to be changed.. there are so many times when great teams play shit schools. they could be playing real schools to prevent these grey areas at the end of the season.[/quote795a3e5e1f]

This always happens, every year. Flash back 3 years ago when USC won the AP title, but wasn't in the BCS championship. All three teams had the same record, none of them played each other, and one had to be third. That is just the way the BCS goes.

Now USC and Michigan both have claims to a title game. How can we truly compare them if they haven't played each other? We can debate it all we like, but it is pointless. Watch PTI or Around the Horn for that. The computer decided that USC should be above Michigan, and I am fine with it because....

Michigan had their chance to beat OSU, and they blew it.

there are no do-overs or second chances in college football.

I think USC, barring their win over UCLA next week, should get to play Ohio State. Ohio State shouldn't have to beat Michigan twice in my opinion. But yes, the BCS system sucks. I really hope they can come up with a working playoff system sometime in the near future.

As an Auburn fan, I know all about how much the BCS system sucks considering the 2004 season where Auburn went undefeated and got left out of the NC where Choklahoma went to play USC and got raped.

It is a disgrace that USC passed Michigan. USC lost to an unranked team (Oregon State) and STILL passes the team that only lost to the number one team??? Just terrible.

[quote82d2403173="ILoveToys"]so why isn't boise state playing osu then?[/quote82d2403173]
haha, boise state, being from boise it's funny we have a top 10 team, I've never seen boise state as one.

wouldnt be a problem if the big ten had a real championship games like the cool conferences.

i say we have PLAYOFFS!!! Anyway, i think usc should go, Michigan is probably better but I think usc deserves a shot. Look at their schedule strength.
09/02 at Arkansas W 50-14
09/16 #19 Nebraska W 28-10
09/23 at Arizona W 20-3
09/30 at Wash St W 28-22
10/07 Washington W 26-20
10/14 Arizona St W 28-21
10/28 at Oregon St L 33-31
11/04 at Stanford W 42-0
11/11 #21 Oregon W 35-10
11/18 #17 California W 23-9
11/25 #6 N Dame W 44-24
12/02 at UCLA 430 PM

Compared to Michigans
09/02 Vanderbilt W 27-7
09/09 C Michigan W 41-17
09/16 at #2 N Dame W 47-21
09/23 Wisconsin W 27-13
09/30 at Minnesota W 28-14
10/07 Mich St W 31-13
10/14 at Penn State W 17-10
10/21 Iowa W 20-6
10/28 N'western W 17-3
11/04 Ball St W 34-26
11/11 at Indiana W 34-3
11/18 at #1 Ohio St L 42-39

I think a key game no one remembers was the romp usc put on arkansas. They have a great team this year and put a good fight on lsu.

You all say you think USC deserves a shot, or OSU shouldn't have to beat UofM twice. USC lost to an unranked team...I'm sorry...that disqualifies that from DESERVING a shot at a national title. OSU has been deemed the champ yet....they need to win that title game on neutral ground against that #2 team (whether they beat them already or not).

i say florida, i mean only lost 1 game to the hardest conference in football.

[quote4d5f0c64f3="kdollar"]i say florida, i mean only lost 1 game to the hardest conference in football.[/quote4d5f0c64f3]

To AUBURN babay!!!... who also beat LSU. BUT then again, they blew it by losing to Arkansas and Georgia, this could have been our year if we wouldn't have choked. Oh well, maybe next year.

If, could have been, doesn't matter.

I think that USC should get a chance to take on OSU. True, the OSU-Michigan game was the first time I was really into a college football game where a local team wasn't playing since it was such a great game. Also, Michigan came That close to beating them and if a play or two had gone their way, Michigan would be the one with the title game. Go Pac 10 though. D

[quote2aa1944fd7="tylerc"]If, could have been, doesn't matter.[/quote2aa1944fd7]

Dur.

Part of me says Michigan because I don't like USC. But Michigan blew their shot at the title. Ohio State is going to win either way.

[quoteada5a3fad8="bonehead848"]

I think a key game no one remembers was the romp usc put on arkansas. They have a great team this year and put a good fight on lsu.[/quoteada5a3fad8]

Thank you someone for mentioning this game. It was early in the season but UA went on a pretty good tear after that. That should say something for USC. Although I don't like them or Michigan, USC should get the nod. Oh, and while I like how good match-ups are spread out throughout the season, the ones at the end have more meaning, that sucks.

Notre Dame should NOT make a BCS bowl.

Easiest ass schedule, when they come to play with the big boys though, they get killed. Not just killed, annihilated. 20+ point victories by USC and Michigan, the only decent teams they have played all year (besides Georgia Tech, and look where they are now). UNC, Army, Navy, Airforce, Purdue, MSU? Cmon, that shit's weak. I'm looking forward to Florida (possibly) destroying them in a bowl, or any team for that matter.

I'm with you sooner bonehead, Playoffs! Its the only way.

[quote7233e629df="emoney"]I'm with you sooner bonehead, Playoffs! Its the only way.[/quote7233e629df]

I find that offensive!! haha j/k...but I am a Cowboys fan and am also quite fond of the Longhorns. Got to go to UT vs. OU and loved every second of that OU beating...oh and you gotta love 6th street!

BCS system is a big joke! USC is a bigger Joke(claiming they wwere going for a three peat last year when everyone knows they lost to LSU)!!! That alone shows BCS/AP polls are Bullshit! Michigan deserves a rematch. Otherwise OSU will just walk all over USC and most people will quit watching by halftime!!

[quote3161c36899="cdcoit1384"][quote3161c36899="emoney"]I'm with you sooner bonehead, Playoffs! Its the only way.[/quote3161c36899]

I find that offensive!! haha j/k...but I am a Cowboys fan and am also quite fond of the Longhorns. Got to go to UT vs. OU and loved every second of that OU beating...oh and you gotta love 6th street![/quote3161c36899]
cowboys fan giving crap about ou after last weekend??? Anyway, it was hardly a beat down, we were up at halftime... cheer
back on topic now, BCS SUCKS!!! x

[quote76c8e5c95c="Cwink78"]BCS system is a big joke! USC is a bigger Joke(claiming they wwere going for a three peat last year when everyone knows they lost to LSU)!!! That alone shows BCS/AP polls are Bullshit! Michigan deserves a rematch. Otherwise OSU will just walk all over USC and most people will quit watching by halftime!![/quote76c8e5c95c]

I think you underestimate USC.

[quotecba55eda14="tylerc"][quotecba55eda14="Cwink78"]BCS system is a big joke! USC is a bigger Joke(claiming they wwere going for a three peat last year when everyone knows they lost to LSU)!!! That alone shows BCS/AP polls are Bullshit! Michigan deserves a rematch. Otherwise OSU will just walk all over USC and most people will quit watching by halftime!![/quotecba55eda14]

I think you underestimate USC.[/quotecba55eda14]

I think you overestimate USC.

I dont think Michigan will kill Florida if thats what ends up happening. If Florida has all their players and plays to their potential theres no way Michigan wins.

[quote36b1848399="mpj31"]I dont think Michigan will kill Florida if thats what ends up happening. If Florida has all their players and plays to their potential theres no way Michigan wins.[/quote36b1848399]

That made me laugh....

[quotea9de639e9e="ILoveToys"][quotea9de639e9e="tylerc"][quotea9de639e9e="Cwink78"]BCS system is a big joke! USC is a bigger Joke(claiming they wwere going for a three peat last year when everyone knows they lost to LSU)!!! That alone shows BCS/AP polls are Bullshit! Michigan deserves a rematch. Otherwise OSU will just walk all over USC and most people will quit watching by halftime!![/quotea9de639e9e]

I think you underestimate USC.[/quotea9de639e9e]

I think you overestimate USC.[/quotea9de639e9e]

I understand you are upset that UMich lost to OSU, but they had their chance, and lost. Now it's USC turn to get beat by OSU. I'm positive they will win, but they could give OSU a run for their money.

[quote7af62ea306="ILoveToys"]I think you overestimate USC.[/quote7af62ea306]

Guess we will see in a little over a month when UMich is playing in the Rose Bowl....

Michigan State Alum here. I agree with TylerC. You had your chance and lost, thats how you become the "National Champions" is by beating all the best teams in the nation...like USC next

[quote710efd5395="bonehead848"][quote710efd5395="cdcoit1384"][quote710efd5395="emoney"]I'm with you sooner bonehead, Playoffs! Its the only way.[/quote710efd5395]

I find that offensive!! haha j/k...but I am a Cowboys fan and am also quite fond of the Longhorns. Got to go to UT vs. OU and loved every second of that OU beating...oh and you gotta love 6th street![/quote710efd5395]
cowboys fan giving crap about ou after last weekend??? Anyway, it was hardly a beat down, we were up at halftime... cheer
back on topic now, BCS SUCKS!!! x[/quote710efd5395]

How can an OU fan think the BCS sucks?!? You got to play USC and Auburn had to sit out and OU got stomped. It seemed to work out for you then. Oh and about UT OU...you gotta come to play the second half too.

I know this is going to sound like I'm stereotyping, but having been a season ticket holder for Purdue since the year 2000, I feel that repeated instances have only cemented it....

I think anyone that has a chance to beat OSU should go for it. UMich lost...so I think USC should try (which is what will happen if USC beats UCLA). I'd like to see OSU lose. Why?

OSU has the WORST away game fans EVER! A little heckling here and there is fine, but when two dumbasses nearly knock my GRANDMOTHER over because they can't 1) hold their liquor and 2) jump up and down properly, but rather jump all over people, they are instantly on my shit list. But that's not the only issue, oh no. It would take too long to mention all the other incidences I've been privy to, but that was the worst.

I've had better experiences with ND and Penn State fans.

And yes, it seems like such a girl thing to do...base my opinion on the football team on how their fans act, but I'm a girl, so I can do it. P

Don't even get me started on ND fans.

[quotec3ab411f02="tylerc"]Don't even get me started on ND fans.[/quotec3ab411f02]


Yeah what about them? LOL. What's with you and the ND hatred? I know they are not the best football team around, but they are all right. I love my ND because I love the school. You live in Indiana afterall, sheesh!

That's precisely why I dislike them so much. So many ND fans around here run their mouths non-stop about how good they are, Quinn for Heisman and all that shit, you would understand if you lived here.

[quote4604ec18f4="tylerc"]That's precisely why I dislike them so much. So many ND fans around here run their mouths non-stop about how good they are, Quinn for Heisman and all that shit, you would understand if you lived here.[/quote4604ec18f4]


Brady Quinn is pretty good though. He was totally amazing in the USC game, even though the rest of the team sucked balls. Hmm maybe that is true that people run their mouths non-stop. Over here everyone runs their mouths non-stop about the patriots and uconn basketball. I am sure every region/state has the same thing going on.

Add into that the general arrogance of most ND fans, and multiply it times 50.

[quote5a9bd99f82="jadem"]I know this is going to sound like I'm stereotyping, but having been a season ticket holder for Purdue since the year 2000, I feel that repeated instances have only cemented it....

I think anyone that has a chance to beat OSU should go for it. UMich lost...so I think USC should try (which is what will happen if USC beats UCLA). I'd like to see OSU lose. Why?

OSU has the WORST away game fans EVER! A little heckling here and there is fine, but when two dumbasses nearly knock my GRANDMOTHER over because they can't 1) hold their liquor and 2) jump up and down properly, but rather jump all over people, they are instantly on my shit list. But that's not the only issue, oh no. It would take too long to mention all the other incidences I've been privy to, but that was the worst.

I've had better experiences with ND and Penn State fans.

And yes, it seems like such a girl thing to do...base my opinion on the football team on how their fans act, but I'm a girl, so I can do it. P[/quote5a9bd99f82]

I get what you ppl are saying, but you all ignore the fact that the BCS wasn't created to give everyone a shot at the number 1. It was created to have the TOP 2 teams in the country play it out in January. It just so happens this year that OSU is the ONLY unbeaten, and we'd be just as well off w/out the BCS.

Michigan is better than USC. Michigan beat the teams they were supposed to. USC didn't. If anyone can logically tell me how USC is better than Michigan after USC lost to an unranked team and michigan lost to the #1 ranked team, then I will shut up. Until then the BCS sucks, and all this USC deserves a chance too stuff is a bunch of liberal BS. Losing to an unranked team takes any right you had away for a national title.

Michigan lost and won't be playing in the BCS title game (barring a UCLA victory this weekend).

Give it up, you had your chance and lost the game to OSU, better luck next year.

[quote38d976f836="tylerc"]Michigan lost and won't be playing in the BCS title game (barring a UCLA victory this weekend).

Give it up, you had your chance and lost the game to OSU, better luck next year.[/quote38d976f836]

Thanks jackhole...I get that already....I got that when I started the thread...my point is that it's a sham.

I'm sure if Michigan won and OSU got bumped down you wouldn't be making this thread.

[quote5831f8c1e8="tylerc"]I'm sure if Michigan won and OSU got bumped down you wouldn't be making this thread.[/quote5831f8c1e8]
someone would, and you would still be posting responses that make you seem like an illogical jerk

this thread isn't really about whether or not Michigan deserves a second chance. The BCS isn't putting the top 2 teams in the title game, and thats what it is designed to do.

Yeah Zdub, when LSU played Oklahoma for the National title game, that was the two best teams.....not.

[quote52cf648b6c="TryinToGetPaid"]Yeah Zdub, when LSU played Oklahoma for the National title game, that was the two best teams.....not.[/quote52cf648b6c]

Maybe that's why they revised how the BCS works since then.....I still contend that we need to go to a straight computer poll. Take the subjectivity of people voting out of it.

Playoffs.....no one could argue.

I like the idea of playoffs but there is no way it will happen. The NCAA/schools that play in bowl games make too much money from the sponsorships.

Well...all I can do is say....I told you USC wasn't the #2 team in the country )

Doesn't matter. Everybody's playing for 2nd place.

GO BUCKS!

so who do u thinks gonna make it now UF or Michigan

Lookin' like UM right now. I wanted a piece of USC. Would like to play Florida now.

I thought we would be underestimated tonight, and we made those guys pay over at SC. The defense was a notch up tonight from what it's been all season and Cowan really did play a good game.

Though what the hell was the deal with Booty running off like a whinny little girl? lol

[quotea7a322234f="CougarKid"]
Though what the hell was the deal with Booty running off like a whinny little girl? lol[/quotea7a322234f]

10,000 UCLA fans stampeding the field probably more than half of them drunk tends to scare the piss out of some guys.

[quote8da814a5da="tylerc"]Guess we will see in a little over a month when UMich is playing in the Rose Bowl....[/quote8da814a5da]
giggles

Anyone watching the Rutgers vs West Virginia game? Undefeated Rutgers is going to take a L with our backup freshman QB at the helm.

Rutgers isn't undefeated.

CATCH THE FUCKIN' BALL!

Ito is clutch, BTW.

[quote1fee657765="JKirk"][quote1fee657765="CougarKid"]
Though what the hell was the deal with Booty running off like a whinny little girl? lol[/quote1fee657765]

10,000 UCLA fans stampeding the field probably more than half of them drunk tends to scare the piss out of some guys.[/quote1fee657765]

Heh I guess your right, he would have been getting some serious shit I bet lol

I've gotta eat my own words.

I still don't think USC is overrated, you can't look at the teams they HAVE beaten and call them overrated (Arkansas, Cal, Notre Dame).

Now it should be Michigan in the title game since USC couldn't get it done.

[quote94730217dc="double_d"]CATCH THE FUCKIN' BALL!

Ito is clutch, BTW.[/quote94730217dc]

LOLLLLL, WVU IN TRIPLE OVERTIME. Wow, what a game. Rutgers had so many chances and WVU just got lucky on so many passes. I couldn't believe a number of things

First Townshed or whatever his name is dropped that ball in the endzone! Wow, that was a perfect pass and I bet he is getting hazed on Monday.

Second Ito misses. I thought for sure that the game was over when he lined up for that 52-yarder. Although like the announcers said, it was below 20 degrees so I guess temperature makes a big difference.

Third Freshman QB Jarrett Brown throwing like he has lead this team from the beginning. I don't know whether anyone is aware that that guy has less than 200 yards this season and probably had 2 quarters of game time before this game.

I thought one of the sweetest things about this victory was it was Rice who dropped the pass in the endzone, the one who supposedly was going to lead them to victory.

[quotec3bd3cbd94="tylerc"]I've gotta eat my own words.

I still don't think USC is overrated, you can't look at the teams they HAVE beaten and call them overrated (Arkansas, Cal, Notre Dame).

Now it should be Michigan in the title game since USC couldn't get it done.[/quotec3bd3cbd94]

It looks like florida is going to get the nod....They have gotten lucky all year (including today)....I feel better about them though than I do USC.

The SEC is the hardest conference in football, so it's possible.

Yeah, I do not like how college football works out.

The SEC is by far the strongest conference out there. Teams like USC beat one or two teams the entire season and are considered the best team. Put USC or even Ohio State, AWAY at Flordia, AWAY at Auburn and AWAY at Arkansas and AWAY at Tennessee and see if they are considered the best. Personally, I think any of the power house SEC teams (LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn) could beat Ohio State. But, that is just me.

[quote7a2e0a2023="tylerc"]The SEC is the hardest conference in football, so it's possible.[/quote7a2e0a2023]

Yeah...that's what everybody keeps saying, but I see the SEC as full of okay to good teams (LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, and Florida), but the SEC is twice as big as the big ten so they should have twice as many competing teams, and the big ten is not great this year, but they have 3 teams in the top 10 (more than the SEC after last night), and it just so happens the big ten has the BEST 2 teams in the country.....I still think it should me Michigan in it, but I know it won't be...

LSU, Florida. And the reason more aren't in it? They have to play each other. Give All SEC teams the Big Ten schedule, and it would be full of SEC teams.

I don't really care much for college football, but I saw the USC game and they were sore loosers. I can't believe they are considered them #2.

Florida will not compete if they get in....that's all there is to it...

[quotef80664c3d1="TryinToGetPaid"]Yeah, I do not like how college football works out.

The SEC is by far the strongest conference out there. Teams like USC beat one or two teams the entire season and are considered the best team. Put USC or even Ohio State, AWAY at Flordia, AWAY at Auburn and AWAY at Arkansas and AWAY at Tennessee and see if they are considered the best. Personally, I think any of the power house SEC teams (LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn) could beat Ohio State. But, that is just me.[/quotef80664c3d1]

I see your point here and I'm not sure if you are using Auburn and Tennessee as just broad examples but I don't think those teams stand a chance against Ohio State and maybe not even USC depending on how they play.

I would put money that Auburn would beat USC.

USC has always been over rated. They lost to Oregon State and were considered number 2 in the country. Where LSU lost to FLORDIA on the road, and Auburn on the road due to a bad call. And then USC loses to UCLA, both losses to unranked teams....

I think this is the official bowl schedule?

http//sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2473969

[quote0f23cf1541="TryinToGetPaid"]I would put money that Auburn would beat USC.

USC has always been over rated. They lost to Oregon State and were considered number 2 in the country. Where LSU lost to FLORDIA on the road, and Auburn on the road due to a bad call. And then USC loses to UCLA, both losses to unranked teams....[/quote0f23cf1541]

They were highly overrated at the end, but I don't think to start out. They took out an Arkansas in there house, and that was Booty's first start and a superb one at that.

After a while, when they started to struggle against mediocre teams and finally lost to a terrible team in Oregon State you could see they were overrated. Also the win over ND last weekend was nothing suprising, I have no idea why this put them at #2. ND is not great, good for sure, but to put them at #6 is worse than putting USC at #2.

Also I think UCLA was a better team, we just sucked it when we didn't need to. My duece cents . wink

I don't think UCLA is better than USC.

I think USC was looking past the Bruins a little bit and looking at OSU.

[quotec9f0216c00="TryinToGetPaid"]I would put money that Auburn would beat USC.

USC has always been over rated. They lost to Oregon State and were considered number 2 in the country. Where LSU lost to FLORDIA on the road, and Auburn on the road due to a bad call. And then USC loses to UCLA, both losses to unranked teams....[/quotec9f0216c00]

Let's remember that Michigan only lost to OSU b/c of the helmet to helmet call (that happens all the time and was inadvertent)that led to OSU's final TD....Bad calls happen all the time....It's part of the game...

[quoted7bcdab67f="jadem"]I know this is going to sound like I'm stereotyping, but having been a season ticket holder for Purdue since the year 2000, I feel that repeated instances have only cemented it....

I think anyone that has a chance to beat OSU should go for it. UMich lost...so I think USC should try (which is what will happen if USC beats UCLA). I'd like to see OSU lose. Why?

OSU has the WORST away game fans EVER! A little heckling here and there is fine, but when two dumbasses nearly knock my GRANDMOTHER over because they can't 1) hold their liquor and 2) jump up and down properly, but rather jump all over people, they are instantly on my shit list. But that's not the only issue, oh no. It would take too long to mention all the other incidences I've been privy to, but that was the worst.

I've had better experiences with ND and Penn State fans.

And yes, it seems like such a girl thing to do...base my opinion on the football team on how their fans act, but I'm a girl, so I can do it. P[/quoted7bcdab67f]

I could bitch about every other schools' fans too. It comes with the territory. People are passionate about their team. OSU has asshole fans just like every other Big 10 school.

And ND and PSU fans are pussies! wink

[quoted7bcdab67f="tylerc"]I don't think UCLA is better than USC.

I think USC was looking past the Bruins a little bit and looking at OSU.[/quoted7bcdab67f]

I don't quite believe that. Coach Carroll wouldn't let the team do that and this is a big rivalry game.

Yup...Michigan got fucked...There better be a playoff next year...

BCS Bowl Matchups

Title game OSU vs. Florida
Rose Bowl UM vs. USC
Fiesta Bowl Boise State vs. Oklahoma
Sugar Bowl Notre Dame vs. LSU
Orange Bowl Louisville vs. Wake Forest

My predictions OSU, UM, Boise State, LSU, Wake Forest.

[quote68f1ca4fc3="ILoveToys"]Yup...Michigan got fucked...[/quote68f1ca4fc3]

That summed it up.

[quote7ffa09e626="ILoveToys"]Yup...Michigan got fucked...There better be a playoff next year...[/quote7ffa09e626]

Meh. 13-0 Auburn in 2004 got fucked.

I'd have to go w/ OSU handedly, UofM by at least 21, Oklahoma, LSU, and Louisville.

[quote06937eb3e9="espn.com"]If you're Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, how do you explain to your players that they won't be in the BCS Championship Game? How do you tell the second-best team in the country to get pumped about playing USC in the Runner-Up Bowl? How do you resist the urge of wishing Nutcracker drills on every person who jumped one-loss Florida ahead of the one-loss Wolverines in the final polls?

Lloyd Carr
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Lloyd Carr and Michigan lost to No. 1 by three points...and aren't title-game worthy.

There is no polite way of saying it Michigan got jobbed. Sunday's rankings are Exhibits A-Z why the BCS means well, but simply doesn't work -- and never will.

Carr had to do what Auburn's Tommy Tuberville did two seasons ago. Tuberville's team finished the regular season 12-0, but was left out of the Tostitos BCS Championship Game in favor of undefeated USC and Oklahoma.

"It's hard," said Tuberville. "It's hard to look them in the eye. Heck, we're still not over it. You never get over it. It's like a question that's never been answered."

Carr is asking those same questions. And he'll get the same shoulder shrugs that Tuberville got.

Let me get this straight Michigan, which was unbeaten against all teams on its schedule ranked lower than No. 1, isn't going to Glendale, Ariz., for the Jan. 8 national title game because ...

• It didn't win its conference.

No, it didn't. But did you see who did? Team by the name of Ohio State. Maybe you've heard of the Buckeyes? Undefeated. Ranked first in the country. Beat Michigan in Columbus by the grand total of three whole points.

And feel free to show me in the BCS handbook where it says you've got to win your conference to play in the championship game?

• Nobody wants to see a rematch.

Just asking, but how did Ali-Frazier II and III work out? Or that Georgetown-Villanova Final Four?

I know Florida's Urban Meyer doesn't want to see a rematch, but he's not exactly an impartial observer, is he? And if Meyer were in Carr's Nikes, I guarantee you his objections to a second Ohio State-Michigan game would have disappeared.

A rematch, this time on a neutral field, would have been a game for the ages. And if you threatened to take away his precious sweater vest if he didn't tell the truth, I bet you Buckeyes' coach Jim Tressel would rather play Florida than have to face the Wolverines again (Tressel declined to vote in the final coaches' poll).

• Florida played a tougher schedule.

Agreed. But strength of schedule is part of the equation, nothing more. Tuberville's 2004 team had the strongest strength of schedule, but didn't make it.

You want to give the Gators the edge based on scheduling? Fair enough, though you could argue that Florida didn't exactly beat vintage Alabama, Georgia and Florida State teams this year, and Central Florida and Division I-AA Western Carolina were dreadful.

And look at the one loss each suffered by Florida and Michigan on their schedules. You tell me which defeat was more impressive the Gators' 10-point road loss to an Auburn team that finished the season No. 9 in the BCS standings? Or the Wolverines' three-point road loss to an Ohio State now favored to win the national championship?

"It's hard to look them in the eye. Heck, we're still not over it. You never get over it. It's like a question that's never been answered"
-- Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville
• The BCS system rewarded Florida for finishing its season with wins at FSU and against Arkansas at the SEC championship in Atlanta.

And the BCS penalized Michigan twice for being on the wrong end of the calendar once when USC moved to No. 2 after beating Notre Dame (even though Michigan beat the Irish worse), and now, when Florida overtook the Wolverines (even though U of M's season ended two weeks ago).

How can you call this a "system" when Florida belongs to a league that plays a conference championship, and Michigan doesn't? How can you call it a quasi-playoff when Michigan drops twice in the standings without losing a game.

• Florida has earned the right to play Ohio State.

Absolutely true. But so has Michigan.

Ask some of the coaches at Vanderbilt (the Commodores played both Michigan and Florida this season) who is the better team, and privately they'll give the edge to the Wolverines. Florida has more speed and a handful of players to die for, they say, but Michigan is more physical, would control both sides of the line of scrimmage, have wonderful wide receivers, and are led by a senior quarterback who doesn't make many mistakes.

Ask them who would give Ohio State the better game, and you'll get the same answer.

Tuberville voted Ohio State, Florida and then Michigan on his final ballot. "But I watched Michigan this year," he said. "Heck, I think they could beat anybody. But that's the way the system is. It's a screwed-up system."

Michigan never had that chance. It was 11-1 on Nov. 18. It was 11-1 on Dec. 3. But between then and now the Wolverines apparently became the cellulite queens and somehow lost the swimsuit portion of this ridiculous BCS beauty pageant.

Michigan didn't do a thing wrong. And yet Carr was the one who had to console his team Sunday night. He did it, but here's guessing he wasn't Mr. Congeniality.

Gene Wojciechowski is the senior national columnist for ESPN.com. You can contact him at email==gene.wojciechowski@espn3.comgene.wojciechowski@espn3.com=gene.wojciechowski@espn3.comgene.wojciechowski@espn3.com/email. [/quote06937eb3e9]

Title game OSU vs. Florida --------- OSU by at least 14
Rose Bowl UM vs. USC --------- mich by closer than most people think
Fiesta Bowl Boise State vs. Oklahoma --------- OU by 17, keep in mind peterson will be back!!!!!!!!
Sugar Bowl Notre Dame vs. LSU --------- LSU
Orange Bowl Louisville vs. Wake Forest --------- louisville

Louisville is going to mess up Wake Forest so bad it's going to be embarrassing.

I go out on a limb here and say Florida.
Michigan.
Oklahoma
LSU
and Louisville.

If Florida plays to their potential OSU is going to have some trouble with them. A lot of the close games, Florida seems to play down to their competition. And dont forget Auburn was dominated by Florida, yet because of a single call on the auburn 6 yard line. They should be undefeated. But OSU is some much higher competition than even these teams.

UCLA rules!!!!!!!!!!!