Student tasered multiple times by UCLA PD

Video
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E&mode=related&search=

Pretty much, UCLA PD asked a student at the library to produce his ID. He didn't have his ID and was asked to leave. After gathering his things, he headed towards the exit. The police grabbed him by the arm to escort him out. Then, what occurs in the video ensues

I think this was a gross misuse of power and abuse of authority. He said he would leave and was on his way out, the police didn't have to do anything. And then they tasered him. A taser is meant to temporarily incapacitate someone. How can they expect him to get up? And then they continue to taser him for not getting up? Thats like asking someone to get up after breaking their legs. This is fucking sick, really gets my blood boiling.

If I had to go with the video, they told him to get up and he never did. But you said

[quote8be42d0147]Pretty much, UCLA PD asked a student at the library to produce his ID. He didn't have his ID and was asked to leave. After gathering his things, he headed towards the exit. [/quote8be42d0147]

Since you dont see that in the video, I cant say what the cops did is wrong. You just hear them saying 'Get up' and he never does.

Also, when you get tasered, you regain mobility within seconds.

Have you ever been tazered? As a part of a class, I was shocked by a police grade taser and I had trouble with moving for a few minutes afterwards.

Regardless of what he did, tazering someone in handcuffs MULTIPLE TIMES with 5 other police officers near by, and then threatening to taser innocent by standers if they got close, is wrong.

OMG...I'm sitting here in complete shock and disbelief.......

Here's the news story...


http//www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958

ETA Here's an "unbiased" account... http//www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov16/0,4670,StudentStunned,00.html

This is going to get ugly...the student is of Iranian descent, but born in the US.

http//www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov17/0,4670,StudentStunned,00.html


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Yeah, I heard it on O&A today. Not seen the video until now.

As much as you feel that they may have been abusing their authority, or not, when a cop, or campus security in this case, order you to do something, you do it. That's just the way things are. It's afterward that you can protest their actions. This guy refused to comply, and that becomes justification, even if there really wasn't any in the beginning.

That's why some people go to jail for resisting arrest alone.

I think I can say with confidence that I would have attacked the guy with the taser, after the third time or so. I wouldn't lose control, but I'm in a fucking cold sweat from the anger watching that video caused me.

I'm pretty sure he COULDN'T comply, its not that he chose not to, but he physically couldn't get up after they tasered him.

I mean, he did make things worse by yelling at them to let go of him, but they coulda done alot of things to get him out of the library besides using a taser(considered lethal force I believe).

If you watch closely, when they have him in the doorway, hands handcuffed behind his back, cop on each side, the charge of the taser actually lifts in off the ground, ie you can see his feet in the air.

Not having ever been tasered, I would expect that the effect on the body is multiplied by the number of times you're tasered, that is, you have less control of yourself the more times you're tasered, until your muscles recover...

I agree. They used the taser too soon. They should have at least asked him 2 more times to leave the library and escorted him out without grabbing his arm.

The kid really should have said that he couldn't stand up, though. That's all it would take to make it painfully clear that they were abusing their powers.

I agree they maybe went over the line but the guy wasn't listening to the cops, they have no choice but to taser him again. Dumbass kid should've listened to the cops...

excessive abuse, dumbass college kid = youtube discussion.

[quotee9d492eeb2="kdollar"]excessive abuse, dumbass college kid = youtube discussion.[/quotee9d492eeb2]
huh?

I counted over four cops by the end of the video. After the first taster (maybe the second) they could have just picked him up and dragged him out (as they did after the fifth time). The kid escalated the situation, and the police handled it by the book, but then they overstepped their rights.

FUck that sucks, they wanted him to getting up after getting tased? that fucken blows and pisses me off

Holy crap. It was on the news at the same time I typed this. I wonder how ugly this is going to get.

I guess it shows you not to be a fucktard. IMO if you want to fuck with the cops, ur not in for a good ride. You can't disrespect their authority and they have the right to taser you. All cops have been tasered before so they know what it does. The dude is obviously out of control with his excessive yelling. You can't see shit, but in my experience, people yellow like that are not calm, I'm sorry. That video is funny tho. UCLA students asking for badge numbers like they know wtf is going on.

It's not just the issue of them tasering that student, but that they threatened to taser bystanders asking for badge numbers and names. It is perfectly within the bystanders' rights to ask for such information and to threaten them with excessive force is ludicrous.

This situation could have gone a better way, by the actions of both the student and the officers.

Do I feel that either one is 100% in the right or wrong here? No. But I do think that it is up to law enforcement officials to use discretion and good judgement. I think they failed to do so. What college kid doesn't do something stupid?

[quotee4ccf876a3="Excel"]Video
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E&mode=related&search=

Pretty much, UCLA PD asked a student at the library to produce his ID. He didn't have his ID and was asked to leave. After gathering his things, he headed towards the exit. The police grabbed him by the arm to escort him out. Then, what occurs in the video ensues

I think this was a gross misuse of power and abuse of authority. He said he would leave and was on his way out, the police didn't have to do anything. And then they tasered him. A taser is meant to temporarily incapacitate someone. How can they expect him to get up? And then they continue to taser him for not getting up? Thats like asking someone to get up after breaking their legs. This is fucking sick, really gets my blood boiling.[/quotee4ccf876a3]

Who the hell gave that guy a video camera? He couldn't hold it still if his life depended on it.

I heard that they asked for his ID and he was all pissy and was giving them mad attitude from the beginning. Once they taser you once, give up and deal with them later, don't keep screaming and fighting...

[quote1df59fbc68="Gigante"]I guess it shows you not to be a fucktard. IMO if you want to fuck with the cops, ur not in for a good ride. You can't disrespect their authority and they have the right to taser you. All cops have been tasered before so they know what it does. The dude is obviously out of control with his excessive yelling. You can't see shit, but in my experience, people yellow like that are not calm, I'm sorry. That video is funny tho. UCLA students asking for badge numbers like they know wtf is going on.[/quote1df59fbc68]

I agree, when you refuse to cooperate with the cops, I really don't see what the kid was expecting. It's not like the cops are going to be like, "oh ok, we'll just come back when you feel like cooperating". Plus the cops intent was to take control of the situation. It obviously doesn't look good when they look like parents trying to control a kid with a temper tantrum.

If you're being hassled by cops—you're a student in a library, who's leaving a few minutes after public hours—why would you suddenly stop once they tasered you? He did exactly what I would have done point out how the cops are infringing on his rights. After that moment each party acted stupid, but hell...

There were people asking for badge numbers, but those idiots were also trying to get up in the grill of the police officers and I got the impression there were really encroaching upon the area of the action. When trying to assess a situation, you don't need idiots trying to make things more chaotic. Not to mention the police didnt taser bystanders. Bystanders don't need badge numbers, their badges say their name, and I doubt they have many multiples of the same name. Also, a threat is not the same as an action. If I threaten to kill someone and don't, it is obviously not the same. I don't think there is anything illegal about protecting the integrity of an area where a crime is taking place or an arrest is being made. Sorry that is so hard for you to see.

[quoteaee563842c="Gigante"]There were people asking for badge numbers, but those idiots were also trying to get up in the grill of the police officers and I got the impression there were really encroaching upon the area of the action. When trying to assess a situation, you don't need idiots trying to make things more chaotic. Not to mention the police didnt taser bystanders. Bystanders don't need badge numbers, their badges say their name, and I doubt they have many multiples of the same name. Also, a threat is not the same as an action. If I threaten to kill someone and don't, it is obviously not the same. I don't think there is anything illegal about protecting the integrity of an area where a crime is taking place or an arrest is being made. Sorry that is so hard for you to see.[/quoteaee563842c]

Exactly. I have taken someone down because they were in a threatening position. People think the police should wait and get attacked before they use force. All I give a shit about when I am dealing with an idiot is getting home in one piece. If that means I offend someone by telling them to shut the fuck up or get away from me or they will get maced, so be it. My concern is my safety and the people around me. People don't understand that though unless they are in that position and I don't expect people to understand. People don't know how scarey it actually is to have so many people crowded around you that hate you and want you hurt.

Maybe they used too much force too quickly. It's hard to tell from that video. They aren't going to stand around all day. If you aren't going to move voluntarily, then something is going to be done to make you move.

[quotece2c4b9711="jadem"]It is perfectly within the bystanders' rights to ask for such information and to threaten them with excessive force is ludicrous.[/quotece2c4b9711]

[ice2c4b9711]After[/ice2c4b9711] they have him in custody, you might have a point, but they were actively interfering with the officers ability to place him there. If they wanted badge numbers, they could have followed from a distance and gotten them once the guy was in a car or something.

[quotece2c4b9711="jadem"]What college kid doesn't do something stupid?[/quotece2c4b9711]

We live in a different world now.

I don't know if he was racially profiled or not, but I do know law enforcement has a mandate to secure certain locations and public places. If this guy refused to comply and answer their questions, they may have to act as if he [ice2c4b9711]could[/ice2c4b9711] be a terrorist.

Yeah, you and I don't believe that. I'm sure they didn't either, but I'm sure the procedures have changed since 9/11.

[quote4b42040fbf="Gigante"]Sorry that is so hard for you to see.[/quote4b42040fbf]

First of all, if that comment was meant for me, back off. We posted at the same time, and I was in no way responding to your previous post.

Second, we all have opinions, we all love to express those opinions, but to patronize others isn't expressing an opinion; it's being a bully.

And last, the only people who truly know what happened are the cops and that student and they won't see eye to eye. We might never know what really happened.

Ya, if you threaten to kill someone, it IS different then if you kill someone, however you can still go to jail for making death threats(only for a night). I think they fact that they threatened to do it is bad enough.

[quote9eec51e4b3="Tholek"][quote9eec51e4b3="jadem"]It is perfectly within the bystanders' rights to ask for such information and to threaten them with excessive force is ludicrous.[/quote9eec51e4b3]

[i9eec51e4b3]After[/i9eec51e4b3] they have him in custody, you might have a point, but they were actively interfering with the officers ability to place him there. If they wanted badge numbers, they could have followed from a distance and gotten them once the guy was in a car or something.

[quote9eec51e4b3="jadem"]What college kid doesn't do something stupid?[/quote9eec51e4b3]

We live in a different world now.

I don't know if he was racially profiled or not, but I do know law enforcement has a mandate to secure certain locations and public places. If this guy refused to comply and answer their questions, they may have to act as if he [i9eec51e4b3]could[/i9eec51e4b3] be a terrorist.

Yeah, you and I don't believe that. I'm sure they didn't either, but I'm sure the procedures have changed since 9/11.[/quote9eec51e4b3]

I'm quite sure procedures have changed and I'm not saying that they didn't have reason to be even remotely suspicious of his actions. What I'm trying to get at is the entire situation escalated by how the student reacted and how the officers reacted.

Yes, the "student started it," but that never worked with my mom so I hope the justice system doesn't accept it...if it did, I have a lot of talkin to do with my mom. ;)

Cops don't taser for fun. It is a lot easier on them if they don't have to. They are responsible for everyone's safety, including their own and the bystanders. But oh well, some people can just never see some things.

You guys have a point about the cops needing to do their jobs and the kid acting foolish, but why taser a guy already in cuffs when you have 4, 5 officers around? To get him to stand up? Remember a while ago when cops beat up an elderly man in New Orleans because he wouldn't go/stay to the ground? He wasn't threatening anyone in that position so that "protect themselves and the people around them" argument doesn't really fly.

If they really wanted to "protect the integrity of the area," why not just drag him out instead of tasering him in place (which will most likely slow you down, not encourage you to speed up).

Also, while the officers have the right to tell bystanders to back off, isn't threatening to taser them too a bit excessive?

[quoteb52e25dda5="Gigante"]Cops don't taser for fun. It is a lot easier on them if they don't have to. They are responsible for everyone's safety, including their own and the bystanders. But oh well, [bb52e25dda5]some people can just never see some things.[/bb52e25dda5][/quoteb52e25dda5]
Do you have any idea how narrow minded you sound when you say that?.. it was even pointed out by another member before me.

The guy was in handcuffs, and I'm sure dragging him out would have been easier than dealing with the uproar created by tazing him in front of a group of college kids.

And cops wonder why people say "fuck the police"?

Most importantly, remember that cops are supposed to work for the people. We pay their salaries. That includes the parents of those college kids that got threatened with the taser. We're not supposed to be in fear of them, unless you want a police state. If we think they're not acting in an appropriate manner, we have the right to say so.

Once the kid was in cuffs and on the ground, the only danger around was that they'd taser the kid to death (it happens). If the other students were "in their grill," how dangerous would that really be for the situation? How would that warrant a taser to a bystander?

[quote4d171282f2="Gigante"]Cops don't taser for fun. It is a lot easier on them if they don't have to. They are responsible for everyone's safety, including their own and the bystanders. But oh well, some people can just never see some things.[/quote4d171282f2]

No one ever said they did. We are just saying, they didn't even have to use the tazer in the first place, let alone ATLEAST 2 more times after that. Most of us understand they had every right to use a taser, but that doesn't mean its necesary.

[quoteaa2f02f3e1="tylerc"]And cops wonder why people say "fuck the police"?[/quoteaa2f02f3e1]

Everyone should wonder why people say that, and what their reasons are.

[quoteaa2f02f3e1="hehehhehe"]If we think they're not acting in an appropriate manner, we have the right to say so.[/quoteaa2f02f3e1]

Yes, and there are forums in which we can do that, like a court. NOT while they are doing their job.

[quoteaa2f02f3e1="hehehhehe"]Once the kid was in cuffs and on the ground, the only danger around was that they'd taser the kid to death (it happens).[/quoteaa2f02f3e1]

You don't know that, and neither did they at that moment.

[quoteaa2f02f3e1="hehehhehe"]If the other students were "in their grill," how dangerous would that really be for the situation? How would that warrant a taser to a bystander?[/quoteaa2f02f3e1]

It wouldn't, if they remained in their seats. Did they? Did they just stand up to see, or did they approach the officers while in the process of subduing this guy.

The one thing you don't do is behave as if you will intercede. Some of these people [baa2f02f3e1]did[/baa2f02f3e1]. That's one of the few things on the tape that we can see clearly. You don't distract a cop in the process of an arrest. That kind of distraction can cost a life. (That's a fact)

I didn't write any of that except the fuck the police.

Dolynea, come proof Tholek's post.

Oops. oops wink

Why do ppl only care when a cop does something debatable, yet they help and or save people everyday. they risk their lives for crappy pay and nobody cares. I still think what they did was justified. The guy failed to cooperate and he got tased. He was clearly yelling and saying other crap, why not just tell the cops that he couldnt move?

This is ridiculous. They carried him out at the end anyway...they could've bypassed the stunning, and all the hoopla by just carrying him out in the beginning...

Looks like he wanted to make a big deal/scene about it

[quote935ca1fe9c="Tholek"]Yes, and there are forums in which we can do that, like a court. NOT while they are doing their job.[/quote935ca1fe9c]
Who says?

[quote935ca1fe9c="Tholek"]You don't know that, and neither did they at that moment.[/quote935ca1fe9c]
The guys was cuffed and on the ground, and probably held on both sides by officers in a college library. Where are these other possible dangers you speak of?

[quote935ca1fe9c="Tholek"]It wouldn't, if they remained in their seats. Did they? Did they just stand up to see, or did they approach the officers while in the process of subduing this guy.[/quote935ca1fe9c]
Cuffed and on the ground is subdued enough for me, and asking for their name and badge# is not interceding. A lot of people complained about the multiple tasers, AFTER the guy was subdued, not during the initial process of subduing the guy.

Like someone said, they should've just dragged the guy out, simple as that. No one has yet explained the logic of tasering an already subdued guy in place instead of dragging him out when their goal was to bring him outside.

[quote935ca1fe9c="kidd2108"]they help and or save people everyday. they risk their lives for crappy pay[/quote935ca1fe9c]
That's the way I feel about firefighters.

[quoted750c476a5="hehehhehe"][quoted750c476a5="Tholek"]Yes, and there are forums in which we can do that, like a court. NOT while they are doing their job.[/quoted750c476a5]

Who says?[/quoted750c476a5]

Um...the law? Just a wild guess there.

[quoted750c476a5="hehehhehe"][quoted750c476a5="Tholek"]You don't know that, and neither did they at that moment.[/quoted750c476a5]

The guys was cuffed and on the ground, and probably held on both sides by officers in a college library. Where are these other possible dangers you speak of?[/quoted750c476a5]

They're in a room, surrounded by people. Some of whom are approaching and attempting to engage them in a shouting match with them while in the process of the arrest. Watch the video again. It's not unreasonable to believe the area wasn't secure. Their job was to get the guy out of there, and some people were hampering that effort.

[quoted750c476a5="hehehhehe"][quoted750c476a5="Tholek"]It wouldn't, if they remained in their seats. Did they? Did they just stand up to see, or did they approach the officers while in the process of subduing this guy.[/quoted750c476a5]
Cuffed and on the ground is subdued enough for me, and asking for their name and badge# is not interceding. A lot of people complained about the multiple tasers, AFTER the guy was subdued, not during the initial process of subduing the guy.[/quoted750c476a5]

From what I can see, the people wanting that information had to be waved off for being too close. It's pretty clear they were interfering. The person was resisting arrest, and those officers have to concentrate on keeping him him in custody. That;'s not exactly a time to engage them in conversation.

[quoted750c476a5="hehehhehe"]Like someone said, they should've just dragged the guy out, simple as that.[/quoted750c476a5]

I agree, If that was possible, they should've done it.

However, we didn't see everything that happened, so we don't know.

[quoted750c476a5="hehehhehe"][quoted750c476a5="kidd2108"]they help and or save people everyday. they risk their lives for crappy pay[/quoted750c476a5]
That's the way I feel about firefighters.[/quoted750c476a5]

I'm with you there too. They are equally deserving of our respect.

[quote0d949abe81="hehehhehe"][quote0d949abe81="Tholek"]Yes, and there are forums in which we can do that, like a court. NOT while they are doing their job.[/quote0d949abe81]

Who says?[/quote0d949abe81]

Um...the law? Just a wild guess there.

[quote0d949abe81="hehehhehe"][quote0d949abe81="Tholek"]You don't know that, and neither did they at that moment.[/quote0d949abe81]

The guys was cuffed and on the ground, and probably held on both sides by officers in a college library. Where are these other possible dangers you speak of?[/quote0d949abe81]

They're in a room, surrounded by people. Some of whom are approaching and attempting to engage them in a shouting match with them while in the process of the arrest. Watch the video again. It's not unreasonable to believe the area wasn't secure. Their job was to get the guy out of there, and some people were hampering that effort.

[quote0d949abe81="hehehhehe"][quote0d949abe81="Tholek"]It wouldn't, if they remained in their seats. Did they? Did they just stand up to see, or did they approach the officers while in the process of subduing this guy.[/quote0d949abe81]
Cuffed and on the ground is subdued enough for me, and asking for their name and badge# is not interceding. A lot of people complained about the multiple tasers, AFTER the guy was subdued, not during the initial process of subduing the guy.[/quote0d949abe81]

From what I can see, the people wanting that information had to be waved off for being too close. It's pretty clear they were interfering. The person was resisting arrest, and those officers have to concentrate on keeping him him in custody. That;'s not exactly a time to engage them in conversation.

[quote0d949abe81="hehehhehe"]Like someone said, they should've just dragged the guy out, simple as that.[/quote0d949abe81]

I agree, If that was possible, they should've done it.

However, we didn't see everything that happened, so we don't know.

[quote0d949abe81="hehehhehe"][quote0d949abe81="kidd2108"]they help and or save people everyday. they risk their lives for crappy pay[/quote0d949abe81]
That's the way I feel about firefighters.[/quote0d949abe81]

I'm with you there too. They are equally deserving of our respect.

[quote8381c74736="Tholek"]
[quote8381c74736="hehehhehe"][quote8381c74736="kidd2108"]they help and or save people everyday. they risk their lives for crappy pay[/quote8381c74736]
That's the way I feel about firefighters.[/quote8381c74736]

I'm with you there too. They are equally deserving of our respect.[/quote8381c74736]

I think you might have missed his point. At least what I thought he meant was that firefighters save people and protect people too, yet you don't see them harassing someone else or using a guy to get them to move. Granted they do handle different situations, it's easy to see the kind of power they can take advantage of.

lol, I know I'm one sided. It is something I feel strongly about. I woud be the first to tell you I think I'm right and you're wrong, but that is my opinion, heh.

I think that tasering him the first time when he wasn't cooperating and yelling was okay. However, if he was already handcuffed and on the ground, they should have just dragged him off instead of letting him make a scene. Tasering him multiple times was definitely not smart, but people (and cops are people) do weird things when being shouted at and under pressure. Hopefully the cops and the kid will both learn their lessons because they both weren't 100% right in their actions.

And I'm sure some of this was stated earlier, I just don't feel like reading every comment right now. P

Those fucking pigs! OMFG I'm so pissed off right now, I can't believe no one attacked the cops. Fuck it if its against the law, the policemen were attacking a fucking student!

[quote937f2e90e8="Excel"]Video
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E&mode=related&search=

Pretty much, UCLA PD asked a student at the library to produce his ID. He didn't have his ID and was asked to leave. After gathering his things, he headed towards the exit. The police grabbed him by the arm to escort him out. Then, what occurs in the video ensues

I think this was a gross misuse of power and abuse of authority. He said he would leave and was on his way out, the police didn't have to do anything. And then they tasered him. A taser is meant to temporarily incapacitate someone. How can they expect him to get up? And then they continue to taser him for not getting up? Thats like asking someone to get up after breaking their legs. This is fucking sick, really gets my blood boiling.[/quote937f2e90e8]

LOL. You would have made the news for sure.

[quote37ab3683e4="Veek"][quote37ab3683e4="Tholek"]
[quote37ab3683e4="hehehhehe"][quote37ab3683e4="kidd2108"]they help and or save people everyday. they risk their lives for crappy pay[/quote37ab3683e4]
That's the way I feel about firefighters.[/quote37ab3683e4]

I'm with you there too. They are equally deserving of our respect.[/quote37ab3683e4]

I think you might have missed his point. At least what I thought he meant was that firefighters save people and protect people too, yet you don't see them harassing someone else or using a guy to get them to move. Granted they do handle different situations, it's easy to see the kind of power they can take advantage of.[/quote37ab3683e4]

No, I knew what he was trying to say. I was trying to say something too. )

Yeah I know, but jesus christ a student versus 4 cops with tasers? Seriously... and of all places to feel "threatened" in... a fucking college library, oh no someone threw a book at me and called me a pig!!! God.. I'm gonna get away from this topic. This is too infuriating.

I'm a UCLA student, and I was on the second floor of the same building when this took place. Everyone from my floor rushed down stairs to see what was all the shouting was all about. It sucked to see the guy's face as he was being tasered. There was a big turnout rally today on campus about this incident and many people had "I am a student, don't taser me" signs posted on their shirts. Thought I have that interesting. As for me, I have to agree with the police's action to some extent. Most of my justification has been stated. But it's unfortunate that this happened. It was a huge distraction during midterms week. |

[quoteac64818dd9="Tholek"][quoteac64818dd9="hehehhehe"][quoteac64818dd9="Tholek"]Yes, and there are forums in which we can do that, like a court. NOT while they are doing their job.[/quoteac64818dd9]Who says?[/quoteac64818dd9]Um...the law? Just a wild guess there.[/quoteac64818dd9]
Um, the Freedom of Speech allows us to state our opinions, and that's what they were doing.

[quoteac64818dd9="Tholek"]It's not unreasonable to believe the area wasn't secure. [bac64818dd9]Their job was to get the guy out of there[/bac64818dd9], and some people were hampering that effort.[/quoteac64818dd9]
So again, which would be better, dragging the guy out or keeping him there on the ground and tasering him? I didn't see anyone blocking the exits, and how was the subsequent tasers supposed to facilitate their goal?

[quoteac64818dd9="Tholek"]From what I can see, the people wanting that information had to be waved off for being too close. It's pretty clear they were interfering. The person was resisting arrest, and those officers have to concentrate on keeping him him in custody. That;'s not exactly a time to engage them in conversation.[/quoteac64818dd9]
They weren't interfering with the guys holding the guy on the ground were they? They were talking to the other officers that were surrounding them. You can say that even that's interfering but if you're telling me that two cops can't keep a cuffed guy who has been tasered several times in custody, they need to find another job.

[quoteac64818dd9="J4320"]I think that tasering him the first time when he wasn't cooperating and yelling was okay. However, if he was already handcuffed and on the ground, they should have just dragged him off instead of letting him make a scene. Tasering him multiple times was definitely not smart, but people (and cops are people) do weird things when being shouted at and under pressure. Hopefully the cops and the kid will both learn their lessons because they both weren't 100% right in their actions.
[/quoteac64818dd9]
That's exactly my point too, first taser is understandable, the tasers after the guy is cuffed on the ground, not so much.

I would hope that a good cop would've saved the stupid kid from himself and shown more patience. Not taser him multiple times after he's cuffed on the ground.

I've seen firefighters drop everything and start sprinting to their firehouse when they get a call. Rushing so that you can risk your life to save another's, that gains my respect. Bullying some kids doesn't.

From what I hear

1. It was filmed on a cellphone

2. The guy was shouting excessively because he has some medical condition that makes him do that.

3. Those weren't LAPD, but CSOs

4. He couldn't find his ID (or he wasn't even a student)

This is all third-party accounts haha.

Oh and if you get tasered, you should try and run towards an officer and grab them, so the shock hits them too. That's what I heard about self defense >>

1. Looks like it

2. rolleyes

3. The UC system has its own police. They are real police, not campus security. I went to UC Santa Barbara.

4. I hear he didn't have it on him but was a real cock about it when they asked.

[quoteab107713ab="hehehhehe"][quoteab107713ab="Tholek"][quoteab107713ab="hehehhehe"][quoteab107713ab="Tholek"]Yes, and there are forums in which we can do that, like a court. NOT while they are doing their job.[/quoteab107713ab]Who says?[/quoteab107713ab]Um...the law? Just a wild guess there.[/quoteab107713ab]
Um, the Freedom of Speech allows us to state our opinions, and that's what they were doing.[/quoteab107713ab]

From what I saw, they were doing more than that. It's not as if they were just protesting from the sidelines.

[quoteab107713ab="hehehhehe"][quoteab107713ab="Tholek"]It's not unreasonable to believe the area wasn't secure. [bab107713ab]Their job was to get the guy out of there[/bab107713ab], and some people were hampering that effort.[/quoteab107713ab]
So again, which would be better, dragging the guy out or keeping him there on the ground and tasering him? I didn't see anyone blocking the exits, and how was the subsequent tasers supposed to facilitate their goal?[/quoteab107713ab]

We don't see a lot. Although, you notice I don't defend them continuing to tase him. At face value, I can't. but like I said, we don't see a lot.

[quoteab107713ab="hehehhehe"][quoteab107713ab="Tholek"]From what I can see, the people wanting that information had to be waved off for being too close. It's pretty clear they were interfering. The person was resisting arrest, and those officers have to concentrate on keeping him him in custody. That;'s not exactly a time to engage them in conversation.[/quoteab107713ab]
They weren't interfering with the guys holding the guy on the ground were they? They were talking to the other officers that were surrounding them. You can say that even that's interfering but if you're telling me that two cops can't keep a cuffed guy who has been tasered several times in custody, they need to find another job.[/quoteab107713ab]

No. You just don't engage an officer while he's subduing a subject. A cop who's distracted can be overpowered, or in a worst case scenario, lose control over his weapon. As for later in the video where we can get a better view of the guy being tased, the people who were interfering have been waved back already by additional officers. It was just before they made it to that area, that we hear people trying to involve themselves.

[quoteab107713ab="hehehhehe"][quoteab107713ab="J4320"]I think that tasering him the first time when he wasn't cooperating and yelling was okay. However, if he was already handcuffed and on the ground, they should have just dragged him off instead of letting him make a scene. Tasering him multiple times was definitely not smart, but people (and cops are people) do weird things when being shouted at and under pressure. Hopefully the cops and the kid will both learn their lessons because they both weren't 100% right in their actions.
[/quoteab107713ab]
That's exactly my point too, first taser is understandable, the tasers after the guy is cuffed on the ground, not so much.[/quoteab107713ab]

I have to agree, it seems a bit much, but we don't see or hear what was said before the guy began to yell and draw attention to himself. It's conceivable he made specific threats that the officers had to handle it differently, but yeah, it's not apparent from this particular video.

[quoteab107713ab="hehehhehe"]I would hope that a good cop would've saved the stupid kid from himself and shown more patience.[/quoteab107713ab]

From what we see, hear and read from accounts, a good cop would have more than enough reason to take him into custody. The issue is really whether excessive force was used.

[quoteab107713ab="hehehhehe"]I've seen firefighters drop everything and start sprinting to their firehouse when they get a call. Rushing so that you can risk your life to save another's, that gains my respect. Bullying some kids doesn't.[/quoteab107713ab]

When cops went into the World Trade Center alongside their firefighting brothers, it gained my respect too. However, both services don't need to earn our respect, they have it by right. It's when [iab107713ab]individuals[/iab107713ab] do wrong, that [iab107713ab]they[/iab107713ab] lose it, not their brothers.

Well, as long as we agree the multiple tasers were probably unnecessary...

However, I don't agree that cops have our respect by right. Plenty of individuals have done wrong so they've lost that right a long time ago. Although I respect the cops that entered wtc on 911, many more firefighters (about 5 times more even including PA officers) entered and were lost.

to agree with Wolfeman, UC's have their own police department which are the equivalent of municipal police officers.

[quoteb88e98541b="hehehhehe"]Well, as long as we agree the multiple tasers were probably unnecessary...[/quoteb88e98541b]

Probably, but we don't know. We didn't see what led up to the incident.

[quoteb88e98541b="hehehhehe"]However, I don't agree that cops have our respect by right.[/quoteb88e98541b]

They do. Just as soldiers do. Just as firefighters do. To draw a line between them, insults them all.

[quoteb88e98541b="hehehhehe"]Plenty of individuals have done wrong so they've lost that right a long time ago.[/quoteb88e98541b]

So, firefighters who've set fires just so they could show up and be a hero, caused all firefighters to lose respect? No, of course they didn't. Cops are no different.

[quoteb88e98541b="hehehhehe"]Although I respect the cops that entered wtc on 911, many more firefighters (about 5 times more even including PA officers) entered and were lost.[/quoteb88e98541b]

Which makes what difference? None. They were all heroes. Those cops weren't handpicked. They were just cops.

I'm guessing you attend(ed) Cal? o.O

[quoted88055ff3f="Tholek"]They do. Just as soldiers do. Just as firefighters do. To draw a line between them, insults them all.[/quoted88055ff3f]
Nope sorry, don't see any logic in that.

[quoted88055ff3f="Tholek"]So, firefighters who've set fires just so they could show up and be a hero, caused all firefighters to lose respect? No, of course they didn't. Cops are no different.[/quoted88055ff3f]
Are you talking about the movie backdraft lol? You hear of cop violence and misdeeds much more than firefighter misdeeds, and at a certain point, things can be said about how they are as a group.

[quoted88055ff3f="Tholek"]Which makes what difference? None. They were all heroes. Those cops weren't handpicked. They were just cops.[/quoted88055ff3f]
I didn't say the cops that went in weren't heroes did I? I said I respected them. I did bring it up because of the level of sacrifice IS different. Either way, bringing 911 into a discussion on this small incident is silly.

Do you have cops in your family?

[quote1b70348f22="hehehhehe"][quote1b70348f22="Tholek"]They do. Just as soldiers do. Just as firefighters do. To draw a line between them, insults them all.[/quote1b70348f22]
Nope sorry, don't see any logic in that.[/quote1b70348f22]

Unfortunate, because there is some.

[quote1b70348f22="hehehhehe"][quote1b70348f22="Tholek"]So, firefighters who've set fires just so they could show up and be a hero, caused all firefighters to lose respect? No, of course they didn't. Cops are no different.[/quote1b70348f22]
Are you talking about the movie backdraft lol? You hear of cop violence and misdeeds much more than firefighter misdeeds, and at a certain point, things can be said about how they are as a group.[/quote1b70348f22]

I know the film, but never saw it. I was just referring to a problem firefighters have dealt with for their entire history. I'm not surprised the film covers the pyros too, though. There are bad firefighters, just like bad cops.

[quote1b70348f22="hehehhehe"][quote1b70348f22="Tholek"]Which makes what difference? None. They were all heroes. Those cops weren't handpicked. They were just cops.[/quote1b70348f22]
I didn't say the cops that went in weren't heroes did I? I said I respected them. I did bring it up because of the level of sacrifice IS different. Either way, bringing 911 into a discussion on this small incident is silly.[/quote1b70348f22]

I only brought it up to signify how both services equally deserve our respect. I don't see how either demands more sacrifice than the other. Both have sacrificed their lives for the greater good.

[quote1b70348f22="hehehhehe"]Do you have cops in your family?[/quote1b70348f22]

No, do I need to in order to speak as I have? Have you had run-ins with the law? Forget it. I don't care.

I've said my peace. The cops in question may be bad, but until cops are proven bad, they get the benefit of the doubt. As a whole, they've more than earned that.

[quote079f2ef634="Tholek"]I've said my peace. The cops in question may be bad, but until cops are proven bad, they get the benefit of the doubt. As a whole, they've more than earned that.[/quote079f2ef634]
So have I, especially as this is off-topic. At least we agree that these cops may be bad, which is what the main discussion is about. It is your opinion that cops deserve our respect by right and I don't, plain and simple. I also don't put cops on the same level as firefighters, who have a much cleaner history despite some bad apples. Let's just agree to disagree.

And no, I've never been arrested or anything like that but I didn't need to, in order to speak like I do either.

[quote67f571350b="hamtaroking"]Most of my justification has been stated. But it's unfortunate that this happened. It was a huge distraction during [b67f571350b]midterms[/b67f571350b] week. |[/quote67f571350b]

We don't know the full story but the guy shouldn't have taserred when he is handcuffed. That is BS. Fucking cops! It's kind of late for midterm's though.

he got what he deserved.. fuckin crybaby.. sounds like one of those anti-government, hippy wackos.

Because not showing a valid form of identification to campus police makes you such a big threat that they can only resort to using tasers?

[quote8db94fe769="JJPRO11"]he got what he deserved.. fuckin crybaby.. sounds like one of those anti-government, hippy wackos.[/quote8db94fe769]
yeah why the hell did he yell something about the patriot act?

[quotedbc6959c5a="csurge"]Because not showing a valid form of identification to campus police makes you such a big threat that they can only resort to using tasers?[/quotedbc6959c5a]
He wouldn't show it to them and wouldn't leave and is obviously a trouble starter.

[quoteb1747eab38="JJPRO11"]he got what he deserved.. fuckin crybaby.. sounds like one of those anti-government, hippy wackos.[/quoteb1747eab38]

i no rite?

wot kind ov pussy wud cry after bein tazurd 5 times n az many minitz? lolz

You sound like one of those right-wing, Nazi, extremist nutjobs.

[quotecab18e4328="zdub08"][quotecab18e4328="JJPRO11"]he got what he deserved.. fuckin crybaby.. sounds like one of those anti-government, hippy wackos.[/quotecab18e4328]
yeah why the hell did he yell something about the patriot act?[/quotecab18e4328]

First of all, the student was muslim and secondly, the Patriot Act is

[quotecab18e4328]An Act

To deter and punish terrorist acts in the United States and around the
world, to enhance law enforcement investigatory tools, and for other
purposes.

[bcab18e4328]Source http//frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=fpubl056.107[/bcab18e4328]

and its purpose

Originally passed after the September 11, 2001 attacks, the Act (full text) was formed in response to the terrorist attacks against the United States, and [bcab18e4328]dramatically expanded the authority of American law enforcement[/bcab18e4328] for the stated purpose of fighting terrorism in the United States and abroad.

Source
[bcab18e4328]http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_act[/bcab18e4328][/quotecab18e4328]

So he was essentially highlighting the fact that the police were acting in an abusive manner and that they are allowed to do so because their authority has been increased.

[quote3fd70e156d="theysayjump"][quote3fd70e156d="JJPRO11"]he got what he deserved.. fuckin crybaby.. sounds like one of those anti-government, hippy wackos.[/quote3fd70e156d]

i no rite?

wot kind ov pussy wud cry after bein tazurd 5 times n az many minitz? lolz

You sound like one of those right-wing, Nazi, extremist nutjobs.[/quote3fd70e156d]

lol... the problem was he was crying before he got tazered. if he would have just complied with the police this video would have never been made.

[quote9da1d466f2="JJPRO11"][quote9da1d466f2="theysayjump"][quote9da1d466f2="JJPRO11"]he got what he deserved.. fuckin crybaby.. sounds like one of those anti-government, hippy wackos.[/quote9da1d466f2]

i no rite?

wot kind ov pussy wud cry after bein tazurd 5 times n az many minitz? lolz

You sound like one of those right-wing, Nazi, extremist nutjobs.[/quote9da1d466f2]

lol... the problem was he was crying before he got tazered. if he would have just complied with the police this video would have never been made.[/quote9da1d466f2]
isn't that the same as just saying "if the 2 police men, who already had the man in handcuffs, just dragged him out this video would have never been made."

[quote457a3f7989="JJPRO11"][quote457a3f7989="theysayjump"][quote457a3f7989="JJPRO11"]he got what he deserved.. fuckin crybaby.. sounds like one of those anti-government, hippy wackos.[/quote457a3f7989]

i no rite?

wot kind ov pussy wud cry after bein tazurd 5 times n az many minitz? lolz

You sound like one of those right-wing, Nazi, extremist nutjobs.[/quote457a3f7989]

lol... the problem was he was crying before he got tazered. if he would have just complied with the police this video would have never been made.[/quote457a3f7989]

I assume you're being sarcastic when you say he was crying before he got tasered, implying the fuss he was making was him crying?

Also, in regards to your second sentence, I could be pedantic and say that this video would have been made regardless of his actions, because what we saw just happened to be the next thing that person taped, if this didn't happen, he would've taped something else and this video would just be of something different.

But I'm not going to be pedantic.

dictionary.com ftw

[quoted5aaf7c510="zdub08"][quoted5aaf7c510="JJPRO11"][quoted5aaf7c510="theysayjump"][quoted5aaf7c510="JJPRO11"]he got what he deserved.. fuckin crybaby.. sounds like one of those anti-government, hippy wackos.[/quoted5aaf7c510]

i no rite?

wot kind ov pussy wud cry after bein tazurd 5 times n az many minitz? lolz

You sound like one of those right-wing, Nazi, extremist nutjobs.[/quoted5aaf7c510]

lol... the problem was he was crying before he got tazered. if he would have just complied with the police this video would have never been made.[/quoted5aaf7c510]
isn't that the same as just saying "if the 2 police men, who already had the man in handcuffs, just dragged him out this video would have never been made."[/quoted5aaf7c510]

It's the same as just saying "If Rodney King had just been born white......".

[quotea3101ebbdd="theysayjump"][quotea3101ebbdd="JJPRO11"][quotea3101ebbdd="theysayjump"][quotea3101ebbdd="JJPRO11"]he got what he deserved.. fuckin crybaby.. sounds like one of those anti-government, hippy wackos.[/quotea3101ebbdd]

i no rite?

wot kind ov pussy wud cry after bein tazurd 5 times n az many minitz? lolz

You sound like one of those right-wing, Nazi, extremist nutjobs.[/quotea3101ebbdd]

lol... the problem was he was crying before he got tazered. if he would have just complied with the police this video would have never been made.[/quotea3101ebbdd]

I assume you're being sarcastic when you say he was crying before he got tasered, implying the fuss he was making was him crying?

Also, in regards to your second sentence, I could be pedantic and say that this video would have been made regardless of his actions, because what we saw just happened to be the next thing that person taped, if this didn't happen, he would've taped something else and this video would just be of something different.

But I'm not going to be pedantic.[/quotea3101ebbdd]

the crying i was referring to throughout was all the shouting and complaining he was doing. i dont think he was actually in tears crying anyways, but i wasnt there and cant tell.

[quote8e93421e6f="hamtaroking"]I'm guessing you attend(ed) Cal? o.O[/quote8e93421e6f]

yeah, gotta kick it with the hippies and the people so liberal i wanna cry.

[quote06e6d3056c="theysayjump"][quote06e6d3056c="zdub08"][quote06e6d3056c="JJPRO11"][quote06e6d3056c="theysayjump"][quote06e6d3056c="JJPRO11"]he got what he deserved.. fuckin crybaby.. sounds like one of those anti-government, hippy wackos.[/quote06e6d3056c]

i no rite?

wot kind ov pussy wud cry after bein tazurd 5 times n az many minitz? lolz

You sound like one of those right-wing, Nazi, extremist nutjobs.[/quote06e6d3056c]

lol... the problem was he was crying before he got tazered. if he would have just complied with the police this video would have never been made.[/quote06e6d3056c]
isn't that the same as just saying "if the 2 police men, who already had the man in handcuffs, just dragged him out this video would have never been made."[/quote06e6d3056c]

It's the same as just saying "If Rodney King had just been born white......".[/quote06e6d3056c]
He was on PCP and wouldn't stay down...

Rodney King wouldn't stay down, watch the tape, and he's on all fours, and never goes down...he actually tried getting up a lot of times....

With that being said, the student was handcuffed, on the ground....I don't agree with the tazering (did I just butcher this word?)

http//videowrap.blogspot.com/2006/11/ucla-student-tasered-by-police-in.html

That's my site and the second video is a local news report and a student gives her side of what happened and what she thought about it. Thought I should add my two cents and give some more info

When I watched the video, I saw the guy screaming and hollering before the cops did anything to him, what happened afterward was unclear but it seemed much more like he was being belligerent than not being able to move. And then of course you have all the college students that have to build up their hip credentials by arguing with the police. I know it's the kewl thing to do to think of all cops as pigs, but to me they just looked like they were trying to do their job in an uncomfortable, difficult position.

EDIT - and upon further review - most of what I said still stands. It's hard to tell too much from the video but you can hear everything and what you hear really brings the UCLA article into question. First off, the article is saying that he's yelling about a medical condition. you might not be able to see much in the video, but you can hear him and I didn't hear anything about a medical condition. The article also makes it sound as if he was going along peacefully and then the police started harrassing him. Again, that statement might work if it weren't for the Youtube video where he's clearly obnoxious before anything happened. So overall, the police probably did over-react at least somewhat, but certainly not in any "abuse of power" kind of way, more of a "trying to get this taken care of as soon as possible" kind of way. And since it's trendy to hate cops, especially if you're a college student, it is now a major news story.

Hate to agree w/ kyle, but it [i57189294d5]did[/i57189294d5] seem like he was trying to be a martyr. Yet, I'm pretty sure it would have been much easier on both the cops and the student(s) for him to just comply and fight it in court later. However, had he complied in the first place, he probably would never have been tasered. There were just many things that could have been done differently on both sides.

well knowing this country we will see the kid on every talk show in america, he will write a book, a movie will be made, and he will fade away from the publice eye- financially set for life because his innocent act will win the hearts of all the dumbasses in the world.

[quote37f5c5d1e0="bruman"]Looks like he wanted to make a big deal/scene about it[/quote37f5c5d1e0]
and the cops made his wish come true.