Vote McCain '08

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[quote63c7d4269a]McCain, R-Ariz., said Sunday he was taking the initial steps for a White House bid, setting up a committee that allows a potential candidate to raise money and travel the country to gauge support.

"Are we doing the things organizationally and legally that need to be done? Yes," he said. "There are certain things legally you have to comply with in order to continue to raise money and set up an organization."

"The important thing is we will not make a decision until I sit down with my family, but we will be prepared," McCain said.[/quote63c7d4269a]

I have a feeling he's going to do it, he just wants to wait for the right moment to announce... and who can blame him?

I hope he runs and gets the Republican nomination. He'd make a damn good president.

While I'm on the topic of Presidential candidates in 2008... Would you support McCain as the next president of the United States? ... or is there anyone else you're hoping will run in '08?

Alex Chiu, FTW.

[quoteda543e7937="JKirk"]Alex Chiu, FTW.[/quoteda543e7937]

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I've always liked McCain. I think he'd have my vote if he ran.

He definately gets my vote.

Yes, he'll get my vote. I'm also a huge Colin Powell fan. In the unlikely event he could be talked into returning to politics as a VP, I would love to see a McCain/Powell ticket for '08. Talk about your dynamic duo!

If I could vote, it would obviously depend on who he was running against, but at this moment in time, no, he wouldn't get my vote.

I'd vote Hilary.

[quotec834596d2f="theysayjump"]I'd vote Hilary.[/quotec834596d2f]
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TSJ just made baby Jesus cry...

I'd love to see Hillary run with Bill as VP.

Of course, that would probably destroy the ticket and keep her from getting elected, but one can dream... )

McCain in 08!!

I hope McCain runs. He definately seems like the best republician for the job

I'd consider Romney, McCain, Guliani, and Frist. They all have small hurdles (Romney's Moranism, McCain's attractiveness to the base, Guliani's social positions, Frist stuck in a presidential candidacy hellhole called the Senate) but I could see all of them doing well in a general election.

He'd probably have my vote.

I changed my mind. I don't like him...

[quote20aa9db17d="theysayjump"]If I could vote, it would obviously depend on who he was running against, but at this moment in time, no, he wouldn't get my vote.

I'd vote Hilary.[/quote20aa9db17d]

I'm glad the Scots can't vote in our country.

Tom Tancredo.

[quote5fbff95ab9="mnx12"]I changed my mind. I don't like him...[/quote5fbff95ab9]

Flip flopper.

[quote874ef2756b="h3x"][quote874ef2756b="mnx12"]I changed my mind. I don't like him...[/quote874ef2756b]

Flip flopper.[/quote874ef2756b]

lol

Hehe, yeah I know. I should have not said anything until I looked more into him...

You shouldn't say anything until you look into everyone.

Mccains a good man, he's friends with my dad. He autographed his book 'call it courage' for me, it's a fantastic book too. I'd vote for him

It's just too bad that he's against marijuana decriminalization or legalization for medical patients... But, that's OK. Though I don't agree with his views on marijuana... I agree with most of his views on other things. I think he's a great man but has been misguided on one subject.

Can you give me a run-down of his views, h3x? Or anyone for that matter.

McCain would do. I think Guliani may do okay. As time gets closer and the read candidates come out will definitely look at it more closely. If Hilary became president, I would think seriously about assassination...

I'd vote guliani if he ran, anyone in new york during 9/11 would IMO

[quote0eb586ab6b="dmorris68"][quote0eb586ab6b="theysayjump"]I'd vote Hilary.[/quote0eb586ab6b]
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TSJ just made baby Jesus cry...[/quote0eb586ab6b]

Cry out of hope? wink

[quote0eb586ab6b="h3x"][quote0eb586ab6b="theysayjump"]If I could vote, it would obviously depend on who he was running against, but at this moment in time, no, he wouldn't get my vote.

I'd vote Hilary.[/quote0eb586ab6b]

I'm glad the Scots can't vote in our country.[/quote0eb586ab6b]

We can, we just have to denounce or homeland and become US Citizens first.

Don't worry though, I have absolutely no intention of ever becoming a US Citizen. I can't drive for a start, so I'd fail the test immediately. wink

Hilary Cliton would probably lose just out of sheer sexism. Sure, many woman will vote for her for being a women, but more men would vote against her. Woman are usually more "open to growth" than men are.

[quote298efed320="Daggoth"]Hilary Cliton would probably lose just out of sheer sexism. Sure, many woman will vote for her for being a women, but more men would vote against her. Woman are usually more "open to growth" than men are.[/quote298efed320]

she couldnt even keep her own husband under control.. how do you think she's going to control a nation?

[quote3104920cf2="JJPRO11"][quote3104920cf2="Daggoth"]Hilary Cliton would probably lose just out of sheer sexism. Sure, many woman will vote for her for being a women, but more men would vote against her. Woman are usually more "open to growth" than men are.[/quote3104920cf2]

she couldnt even keep her own husband under control.. how do you think she's going to control a nation?[/quote3104920cf2]

Damn, Daggoth must be a seer.

Only one post back he predicted sexism.

I'd vote for a woman with [i89f6640bad]integrity[/i89f6640bad]. )

Giuliani throwing his hat in the ring might change my vote. I'll see.

Agreed, I'd have no problem with a woman for president. Just not [i6352ceec4e]that[/i6352ceec4e] woman. I actually liked her husband a lot more than I like her...

As I'm not a New Yorker, I don't really know much about Guliani outside of his post-9/11 rise to national attention. Before that I knew the name, but didn't know or care about his politics. Now that there's a chance he may run, I might be interested, but as I feel I know McCain a lot better, and would be VERY comfortable with him being president, I'd have to be mightily impressed with Guliani to change my mind between them.

[quote30427566ed="JJPRO11"][quote30427566ed="Daggoth"]Hilary Cliton would probably lose just out of sheer sexism. Sure, many woman will vote for her for being a women, but more men would vote against her. Woman are usually more "open to growth" than men are.[/quote30427566ed]

she couldnt even keep her own husband under control.. how do you think she's going to control a nation?[/quote30427566ed]

We'd end up starting a new war once a month...i joke i joke...but seriously...

[quote4096acf5c1="dmorris68"]Agreed, I'd have no problem with a woman for president. Just not [i4096acf5c1]that[/i4096acf5c1] woman. I actually liked her husband a lot more than I like her...

As I'm not a New Yorker, I don't really know much about Guliani outside of his post-9/11 rise to national attention. Before that I knew the name, but didn't know or care about his politics. Now that there's a chance he may run, I might be interested, but as I feel I know McCain a lot better, and would be VERY comfortable with him being president, I'd have to be mightily impressed with Guliani to change my mind between them.[/quote4096acf5c1]

He obviously doesn't have the military record McCain has, but he [i4096acf5c1]was[/i4096acf5c1] a district attorney. He's also pretty firm on what he stands for, and I've always respected that. I'd have voted for him had he actually made it through the senatorial campaign. Him versus Hilary would've been one hell of a showdown.

It may still be.... )

Well, if I could vote, and for some reason, it came down to mccain, giuliani, and hilary (say mccain or giuliani, one was independant, other republican) It'd be close between Mccain and Giuliani. The thing that could bite giuliani in the ass, would be his past with his wives, wher he's divorced two and cheated on both liI'm not sure as the number is correct, but I know he's divorced because he cheated on X number of wivesli I really cannot see Hilary as a president. Last night on the O'rielly factor they were doing body language with politicians, and it showed Bill and Hillary as "pals" but Bill still feels he's the superior. I think He'd be in the background influencing her a lot. Not that that's a bad thing, he was a good president, but I just don't see her as president of the US.

Guliani is actually quite liberal, If he gets the republican nomination he would not get my vote. Pro-Choice, Pro Gun Control, No thank you..

I'm strongly considering regerstering as an independent (independent conservative) in '08. With the exception of a few, the GOP is a joke these days.

I'll vote for the more conservative candidate republican or not.

I think people should vote for the candidate and their views, not their party (even though it's heavily weighted between the two) Just like Jordane said

[quoteaad054f837="JordanE"]Guliani is actually quite liberal[/quoteaad054f837]

Ok, [iaad054f837]that's[/iaad054f837] a stretch. lol Overall, he's a moderate.

[quotec2cbee7ff5]Guliani is actually quite liberal, If he gets the republican nomination he would not get my vote. Pro-Choice, Pro Gun Control, No thank you..[/quotec2cbee7ff5]

There will never be a perfect candidate that you will always agree with. Personally, I also wish Guiliani & McCain were more conservative on the domestic issues. But right now, it looks like McCain and Guliani will be the frontrunners. I'd like to see Romney do well, but if it comes down to Rudy I would support him just based on the issue of foreign policy. Would you really leave that to Hillary/Gore/Kerry because you don't like Rudy's domestic views, and ones that he can't get implemented anyway? My personal view is that if you "throw away" your vote in protest by voting 3rd party (or not at all) you are essentially voting for the opposition.

As long as Guiliani doesn't flaunt his anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage views, stands up to illegal immigration I think he'll do well. If Guliani positions himself well, he'll have a good chance at the nomination. But if he doesn't, he won't get out of the primaries.

P.S. I don't think the abortion issue will hurt Rudy because he supports judges that practice strict construction. Also, Presidents don't really have that much of an impact on the debate other than judges.

like was said before,

if Hilary ran our country, it would fall to ruins

[quote77b9c88e1d="zr2152"]like was said before,

if Hilary ran our country, it would fall to ruins[/quote77b9c88e1d]

Elaborate on why.

Well, this may sound rash, but I have 4 sisters, and when it becomes that time of the month, they're quite irritable, I think that would be a women presidents downfall.

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[quote19a19c0dc4]Elaborate on why.[/quote19a19c0dc4]

2 Words.

Socialized Medicine.

[quotec56a29adfe="Tholek"][quotec56a29adfe="JordanE"]Guliani is actually quite liberal[/quotec56a29adfe]

Ok, [ic56a29adfe]that's[/ic56a29adfe] a stretch. lol Overall, he's a moderate.[/quotec56a29adfe]

Pro Amnesty,
Pro Gun Control,
Pro Choice,
Pro Gay Marriage,

On the most domestically Important issues hes as liberal as it gets.

[quotec56a29adfe]There will never be a perfect candidate that you will always agree with. Personally, I also wish Guiliani & McCain were more conservative on the domestic issues. But right now, it looks like McCain and Guliani will be the frontrunners. I'd like to see Romney do well, but if it comes down to Rudy I would support him just based on the issue of foreign policy. Would you really leave that to Hillary/Gore/Kerry because you don't like Rudy's domestic views, and ones that he can't get implemented anyway? My personal view is that if you "throw away" your vote in protest by voting 3rd party (or not at all) you are essentially voting for the opposition.

As long as Guiliani doesn't flaunt his anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage views, stands up to illegal immigration I think he'll do well. If Guliani positions himself well, he'll have a good chance at the nomination. But if he doesn't, he won't get out of the primaries.

P.S. I don't think the abortion issue will hurt Rudy because he supports judges that practice strict construction. Also, Presidents don't really have that much of an impact on the debate other than judges.[/quotec56a29adfe]

I'm not going to vote for someone who I don't support. Thats the same as voting for "the lesser of two evils" wich is bullshit. I will vote for the most domestically and fiscally conservative candidate there is regardless of party affiliation.

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AMEN!!!!!!!!

[quote36b958bc0b="JordanE"][quote36b958bc0b="Tholek"][quote36b958bc0b="JordanE"]Guliani is actually quite liberal[/quote36b958bc0b]

Ok, [i36b958bc0b]that's[/i36b958bc0b] a stretch. lol Overall, he's a moderate.[/quote36b958bc0b]

Pro Amnesty,
Pro Gun Control,
Pro Choice,
Pro Gay Marriage,

On the most domestically Important issues hes as liberal as it gets. [/quote36b958bc0b]

I'm what you would call a moderate conservative, and as I understand it, so is Guliani. McCain certainly is.

I would need to know more on those issues, as none of them are black & white. You can't just quote those points as you did and paint him as "liberal" because there's a lot of gray area that I'm sure you (or at least the vast majority of the reasonable population) would support.

For example, here would be my views on those 4 items
[list36b958bc0b][li36b958bc0b][b36b958bc0b]Amnesty[/b36b958bc0b] I oppose blanket amnesty, but would be in favor of a semi-amnesty along the lines of what Bush proposed, i.e. if you've been here for X years (let's say 5), have not been in trouble with the law, held a job, and paid taxes, then you pay a $2000 (or whatever) fee, and you can stay. That way it isn't free and automatic to everyone. If you've proved yourself a productive citizen in the time you've been here, I welcome you.
[li36b958bc0b][b36b958bc0b]Gun Control[/b36b958bc0b] I'm a huge gun fan, have been shooting all my life, and I am licensed to carry a concealed weapon (which I do pretty frequently). However I recognize the need for certain restrictions while still adhering to the spirit of the 2nd Amendment. As such, I support a limited amount of gun control, primarily mandatory instant background checks and prohibition of convicted felons, violent offenders, substance abusers, and mental patients to possess firearms. I also support holding gun owners responsible for securing their weapons from children and anybody else untrained in proper handling. I could possibly even be swayed to support a minimal waiting period, if I could be convinced that it would have a positive effect on crime, but I'm not convinced it would be statistically effective. Although it could be argued that, statistics be damned, if it saved only a single life per year, it would be worth it -- you'd surely think so if that life saved was a loved one.
[li36b958bc0b][b36b958bc0b]Choice[/b36b958bc0b] I oppose abortions of convenience, but am willing to support a woman's right to choose under certain specific circumstances, such as severe risk to mother's health, rape/incest, or severe child deformities that could seriously impact a child's quality of life.
[li36b958bc0b][b36b958bc0b]Gay Marriage[/b36b958bc0b] Why not? A lot of people have a hang-up on the word "marriage," as if that word had a religious etymology (it doesn't). But if you want to oppose it on religious grounds, that's fine -- however IMO the government shouldn't be passing laws based on religious grounds (separate of church & state, remember), therefore the government should sanction civil unions that grant the same rights to any couple that want to live together as partners. I could care less whether it's called "marriage" or not, as long as they have the same rights. A man and woman athiest can be married by a judge or JOP and not have any religious connotations or meanings whatsoever, yet they are as legally married as a couple in a Christian church, so why must we exclude homosexuals on religious grounds? I can never understand why people oppose the concept of civil unions and equal rights.[/listu36b958bc0b] So you see, while I'm a conservative -- I'm also pro-death penalty, pro-military -- I'm a moderate on a lot of issues that aren't black and white. Everything has a gray area and room for compromise, only zealots polarize themselves all the way to the right or left and think their way is the only right way. Without knowing the [i36b958bc0b]specifics[/i36b958bc0b] of Guliani's views on those subjects, I can't consider him too "liberal."

dmorris and I have similar views when it comes to immigration and gay marriage.

P.S I'll be PMing you dmorris about gun control for a speech I must present in school. ;) <3

I agree with dmorris on the gun control issue, as well as the gay marriage issue. However, I don't think illegals should be granted any amnesty. You broke the law, and if you want to become a citizen, great, but wait like everyone else. Abortions should be a woman's choice, it's her life, and if she wants to deal with it, so be it.

It's surprising hearing that from someone in Georgia, considering that's down near the heart of the Bible belt.

Not everyone here in Georgia (or the South, for that matter) is a right-wing, Bible-thumping, militia-member, racist nutter. ;) It's all Yankee propaganda, I tell ya. P

I'm actually quite religious at heart (haven't been very devout for awhile, but still have the same moral base). However my religious upbringing was one of tolerance, not intolerance.

What I don't get is why do you have to register to a certain party to be able to vote?

In the U.K., you get your voters registration card in the mail, it tells you where to go, you show up, put an X next to who you want to vote for and you're done. You don't have to register to a certain party. We do have quite a few parties though. Like the Monster Raving Loony Party. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party

Bush came to our town for the 2004 Elections to give some speech and after 30 minutes of waiting in a huge line to get tickets to see him (I had plans to protest it), I overheard the people in front of me saying you have to have proof that you're a registered Republican to get in. It floored me.

shrug

[quote6f40d89401="tylerc"]I agree with dmorris on the gun control issue, as well as the gay marriage issue. However, I don't think illegals should be granted any amnesty. You broke the law, and if you want to become a citizen, great, but wait like everyone else. Abortions should be a woman's choice, it's her life, and if she wants to deal with it, so be it.

It's surprising hearing that from someone in Georgia, considering that's down near the heart of the Bible belt.[/quote6f40d89401]

I see what you're saying, but the people who will be applying under the so-called "amnesty" would have to wait just a long as people who are abroad. That's what Bush and the comprehensive immigration reform supporters tried to get accross. No one would cut "in line." Also, I have met some very interesting individuals who were brought here as kids, unaware they were breaking the law. They are an example of why the immigration system must be fixed to cover situations many people can't think of. People usually think "border jumpers."

As for abortion, I seem to support it when it comes to specific situations. Health of the baby or mother is at risk, illness, deformation, etc. I don't support abortion to those teenagers who can't seem to educate themselves about sex before going ahead with it.

I don't believe you don't have to register to a certain party in most states, unless maybe you want to vote in the primaries (in which case it makes sense, because the primaries are the elections for the party nominees). I don't ever recall indicating a party preference when registering, although I've been registered for so many years I could have forgotten. I know my voter registration card doesn't indicate party preference.

I never vote in primaries anyway, and I almost always cross party lines on some candidates. I never vote, say, a GOP ticket just because I consider myself conservative. Hell, no.

I remember seeing someone on YouTube mention it and when my Mother-in-law got her voters registration card it had a big "Democrat" sticker on the front of it. shrug

[quotee06e0c3211="dmorris68"]I don't believe you don't have to register to a certain party in most states, unless maybe you want to vote in the primaries (in which case it makes sense, because the primaries are the elections for the party nominees). I don't ever recall indicating a party preference when registering, although I've been registered for so many years I could have forgotten. I know my voter registration card doesn't indicate party preference.

I never vote in primaries anyway, and I almost always cross party lines on some candidates. I never vote, say, a GOP ticket just because I consider myself conservative. Hell, no.[/quotee06e0c3211]

I agree, it should be just primaries where you can only vote for your party.

Anyways, I'm a big fan of the Clintons, but I'd be pretty torn if it was down to Hillary and Giuliani.

[quote09323b163c="johnjimjones"][quote09323b163c="dmorris68"]I don't believe you don't have to register to a certain party in most states, unless maybe you want to vote in the primaries (in which case it makes sense, because the primaries are the elections for the party nominees). I don't ever recall indicating a party preference when registering, although I've been registered for so many years I could have forgotten. I know my voter registration card doesn't indicate party preference.

I never vote in primaries anyway, and I almost always cross party lines on some candidates. I never vote, say, a GOP ticket just because I consider myself conservative. Hell, no.[/quote09323b163c]

I agree, it should be just primaries where you can only vote for your party.

Anyways, I'm a big fan of the Clintons, but I'd be pretty torn if it was down to Hillary and Giuliani.[/quote09323b163c]

Here you only vote for your party in Primaries (however, if you register yourself as Undeclared... Which you can do at anytime, even after initial registration.) you can vote for any party that you like in the Primary. That's what I did.

I'm not crazy about Giuliani... and I sure as hell don't want Hilary for president... If that ever happened, I'm going to vote for myself.

[quote0562248712="Veek"][quote0562248712="zr2152"]like was said before,

if Hilary ran our country, it would fall to ruins[/quote0562248712]

Elaborate on why.[/quote0562248712]

Personally, I just dont think that a woman has what it takes to run a country. Its not that im sexist or anything, I mean she does make a great senator.

Being raised in a religious family, I was just taught (and understood biblically) that woman are not meant to have high leadership roles. God never summoned a woman to lead the Israelites out of Egypt, none of his disciples were women. I just dont think that God intended women to run a country, especially of this magnitude.

I may take a lot of heat for this but I just dont think that a woman could run this country, period. Doesnt matter who it was.

Hey and if she can prove me wrong, then so be it.

Wow....I can't agree with that at all.

[quote2cea722598="dmorris68"][quote2cea722598="JordanE"][quote2cea722598="Tholek"][quote2cea722598="JordanE"]Guliani is actually quite liberal[/quote2cea722598]

Ok, [i2cea722598]that's[/i2cea722598] a stretch. lol Overall, he's a moderate.[/quote2cea722598]

Pro Amnesty,
Pro Gun Control,
Pro Choice,
Pro Gay Marriage,

On the most domestically Important issues hes as liberal as it gets. [/quote2cea722598]

I'm what you would call a moderate conservative, and as I understand it, so is Guliani. McCain certainly is.

I would need to know more on those issues, as none of them are black & white. You can't just quote those points as you did and paint him as "liberal" because there's a lot of gray area that I'm sure you (or at least the vast majority of the reasonable population) would support.

For example, here would be my views on those 4 items
[list2cea722598][li2cea722598][b2cea722598]Amnesty[/b2cea722598] I oppose blanket amnesty, but would be in favor of a semi-amnesty along the lines of what Bush proposed, i.e. if you've been here for X years (let's say 5), have not been in trouble with the law, held a job, and paid taxes, then you pay a $2000 (or whatever) fee, and you can stay. That way it isn't free and automatic to everyone. If you've proved yourself a productive citizen in the time you've been here, I welcome you.
[li2cea722598][b2cea722598]Gun Control[/b2cea722598] I'm a huge gun fan, have been shooting all my life, and I am licensed to carry a concealed weapon (which I do pretty frequently). However I recognize the need for certain restrictions while still adhering to the spirit of the 2nd Amendment. As such, I support a limited amount of gun control, primarily mandatory instant background checks and prohibition of convicted felons, violent offenders, substance abusers, and mental patients to possess firearms. I also support holding gun owners responsible for securing their weapons from children and anybody else untrained in proper handling. I could possibly even be swayed to support a minimal waiting period, if I could be convinced that it would have a positive effect on crime, but I'm not convinced it would be statistically effective. Although it could be argued that, statistics be damned, if it saved only a single life per year, it would be worth it -- you'd surely think so if that life saved was a loved one.
[li2cea722598][b2cea722598]Choice[/b2cea722598] I oppose abortions of convenience, but am willing to support a woman's right to choose under certain specific circumstances, such as severe risk to mother's health, rape/incest, or severe child deformities that could seriously impact a child's quality of life.
[li2cea722598][b2cea722598]Gay Marriage[/b2cea722598] Why not? A lot of people have a hang-up on the word "marriage," as if that word had a religious etymology (it doesn't). But if you want to oppose it on religious grounds, that's fine -- however IMO the government shouldn't be passing laws based on religious grounds (separate of church & state, remember), therefore the government should sanction civil unions that grant the same rights to any couple that want to live together as partners. I could care less whether it's called "marriage" or not, as long as they have the same rights. A man and woman athiest can be married by a judge or JOP and not have any religious connotations or meanings whatsoever, yet they are as legally married as a couple in a Christian church, so why must we exclude homosexuals on religious grounds? I can never understand why people oppose the concept of civil unions and equal rights.[/listu2cea722598] So you see, while I'm a conservative -- I'm also pro-death penalty, pro-military -- I'm a moderate on a lot of issues that aren't black and white. Everything has a gray area and room for compromise, only zealots polarize themselves all the way to the right or left and think their way is the only right way. Without knowing the [i2cea722598]specifics[/i2cea722598] of Guliani's views on those subjects, I can't consider him too "liberal."[/quote2cea722598]

Well said. Giuliani [i2cea722598]is[/i2cea722598] a moderate, not a liberal. Like myself, he has views on certain issues that fall on either side of the line, but overall, he's not as liberal as democrats are.

[quote2cea722598="theysayjump"]I remember seeing someone on YouTube mention it and when my Mother-in-law got her voters registration card it had a big "Democrat" sticker on the front of it. shrug[/quote2cea722598]

There's been some malfeasance in regards to registrations, at least in my (blue) state. I know some republicans who registered as such, and ended up as democrats. It may be an error, but it happens far too often for me to believe so. The same may be true for democrats in red states.

roll

Maggie Thatcher was the U.K. Prime Minister for 11 years and the country went to shit.

However, she was an evil cunt from the get-go.

[quote4593f70d9e="theysayjump"]roll

Maggie Thatcher was the U.K. Prime Minister for 11 years and the country went to shit.

However, she was an evil cunt from the get-go.[/quote4593f70d9e]

Yeah, she's a stupid twat. No wonder why the IRA wanted her head on a stick... She's a cold hearted bitch with no compassion.

Iceland was the first country to have a woman for President and look where the country stands today... One of the richest countries in the world (even richer than the U.S.), [b4593f70d9e]socialized medicine[/b4593f70d9e] and the country has a [b4593f70d9e]100% literacy rate[/b4593f70d9e].

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AMEN!!!!!!!![/quoteb143c43d16]

Actually Senator Barack H. Obama is someone we should discuss. He is riding a big wave of popular support right now and could make a bid if he decides to. Last time I heard about they were "investigating the possibility" of his bid for pres. Personally I would need to see him develop his issue stances a little bit more before I pass judgement on him as a candidate.

http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6153002.stm