Just how insignifigant are we?

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burritopunk

30-10-2006 17:58:15

It is not often that I come across something that is rather remarkable, and leaves me utterly speechless in terms of who we are and what we mean in the grand scheme of things. This video, which is a quick 3-min take on the Hubble Deep Field Image, leaves me with that feeling or utter insignificance.

http//geeksaresexy.blogspot.com/2006/10/hubble-deep-field-most-important-image.html

OldManWrigley

30-10-2006 17:59:20

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zdub08

30-10-2006 17:59:39

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burritopunk

30-10-2006 18:00:45

Link Fixed.

theysayjump

30-10-2006 18:25:34

Wow that was cool.

I knew we were insignificant on the grand scale of things, but that's unreal.

OldManWrigley

30-10-2006 18:26:32

That is intense, the whole way through I was just saying to myself, "There's no way."

bballp6699

30-10-2006 18:27:17

I think this pretty much proves that Alf is out there...

Somewhere...

ilanbg

30-10-2006 18:37:28

"We live on one of eight planets in this galaxy. (We'll miss you, Pluto.)" Hehe.

That was quite awesome. It's kind of ironic that the entire video is about how insignificant people are, and yet the closing sentence is that the featured picture is "the most important picture ever taken by humanity."

theysayjump

30-10-2006 18:38:45

Yeah I was surprised he used that phrase, but it's probably because there's no proof to us yet of the existence of other life-forms, so to us, it's the most important picture ever taken.

Jams44

30-10-2006 18:48:13

I still don't understand how they put a distance on the universe. Last time I checked, wasn't it infinite? I was always told it was like what we see in the universe is in the core of a proverbial soccer ball, each facet (from the inside) is like a mirror, reflecting our galaxy and then in turn being iside its own "soccer ball". Wierd thought, but that's what I was taught.

burritopunk

30-10-2006 18:53:11

I think the universe is finite, although it is exponentially expanding.

JennyWren

30-10-2006 18:54:29

I work for the Astronomy Dept at UBC, so I'm pretty used to cool images, but the Hubble Deep Field images still blow me away. Gotta love galaxy pics! The new image of the Antennae galaxies is my current desktop at work

http//hubblesite.org/gallery/album/galaxy_collection/pr2006046a/[]http//hubblesite.org/gallery/album/galaxy_collection/pr2006046a/

These are two colliding spiral galaxies; this is something like what it might look like when our galaxy collides with M31 (Andromeda Galaxy).

Another cool place for daily Astro beauty is apod (not NOT ipod, get your minds off that one track) the Astronomy Picture of the Day here

http//antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html[]http//antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

burritopunk

30-10-2006 19:07:56

Thanks for the link JennyWren, the picture for today showing Venus and the Earth's moon is great!

YourGiftsFree

30-10-2006 19:17:20

[quote37df0637eb="Jams44"]I still don't understand how they put a distance on the universe. Last time I checked, wasn't it infinite? I was always told it was like what we see in the universe is in the core of a proverbial soccer ball, each facet (from the inside) is like a mirror, reflecting our galaxy and then in turn being iside its own "soccer ball". Wierd thought, but that's what I was taught.[/quote37df0637eb]

I agree with my coder for 2 reasons.

1.) Hes right, I always thought that. It just cant END? Is there a big wall that goes up and up and up?

2.) Hes my coder and smart P

Jams44

30-10-2006 19:18:59

[quote019ed9e65f="YourGiftsFree"]
I agree with my coder for 2 reasons.

1.) Hes right, I always thought that. It just cant END? Is there a big wall that goes up and up and up?

2.) Hes my coder and smart P[/quote019ed9e65f]

8====D while you're at it, you might as well suck it.

YourGiftsFree

30-10-2006 19:20:23

[quoteb43372614d="Jams44"][quoteb43372614d="YourGiftsFree"]
I agree with my coder for 2 reasons.

1.) Hes right, I always thought that. It just cant END? Is there a big wall that goes up and up and up?

2.) Hes my coder and smart P[/quoteb43372614d]

8====D while you're at it, you might as well suck it.[/quoteb43372614d]

That is private information!!!!11

theysayjump

30-10-2006 19:21:14

[quote173eb0f521="JennyWren"]I work for the Astronomy Dept at UBC, so I'm pretty used to cool images, but the Hubble Deep Field images still blow me away. Gotta love galaxy pics! The new image of the Antennae galaxies is my current desktop at work

http//hubblesite.org/gallery/album/galaxy_collection/pr2006046a/[]http//hubblesite.org/gallery/album/galaxy_collection/pr2006046a/

These are two colliding spiral galaxies; this is something like what it might look like when our galaxy collides with M31 (Andromeda Galaxy).

Another cool place for daily Astro beauty is apod (not NOT iPod, get your minds off that one track) the Astronomy Picture of the Day here

http//antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html[]http//antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html[/quote173eb0f521]

The picture for today is cool as shit! +karma for the link. )

Jams44

30-10-2006 19:21:31

[quote4355dcc5fc="YourGiftsFree"]
That is private information!!!!11[/quote4355dcc5fc]

OMG topic hiJax0rz. anyway, yah i almost feel sick thinking about the topic. I always think, "Well whats at the end of infinite?"

YourGiftsFree

30-10-2006 19:22:37

[quote3ad3cc9fad="Jams44"][quote3ad3cc9fad="YourGiftsFree"]
That is private information!!!!11[/quote3ad3cc9fad]

OMG topic hiJax0rz. anyway, yah i almost feel sick thinking about the topic. I always think, "Well whats at the end of infinite?"[/quote3ad3cc9fad]

/ back on topic.

Yea my brain goes WTF when I try to picture an end

dmorris68

30-10-2006 19:23:57

[quote95cdaf026c="Jams44"]I still don't understand how they put a distance on the universe. Last time I checked, wasn't it infinite? I was always told it was like what we see in the universe is in the core of a proverbial soccer ball, each facet (from the inside) is like a mirror, reflecting our galaxy and then in turn being iside its own "soccer ball". Wierd thought, but that's what I was taught.[/quote95cdaf026c]
156 billion light years across might as well be "infinite" as far as what our feeble brains can comprehend, but science has taught us that the universe began from a single point and exploded outward, i.e. the "Big Bang." It is still expanding from that single explosion to this day, and thus has an outer edge. Ergo, it has a boundary and thus is not "infinite." But that's splitting hairs because we can't even wrap our human mind around the distance of a single light year, let alone 156 billion of them. So yeah, call it infinite. ;)

YourGiftsFree

30-10-2006 19:29:24

But whats at those boundries?

Killer722

30-10-2006 19:30:10

Wow, amazing. I want the song in that video, but I can't find it. It's called Ride On from Celtic Panpipes.

Jams44

30-10-2006 19:30:56

[quote018c29f5c3="dmorris68"]156 billion light years across might as well be "infinite" as far as what our feeble brains can comprehend, but science has taught us that the universe began from a single point and exploded outward, i.e. the "Big Bang." It is still expanding from that single explosion to this day, and thus has an outer edge. Ergo, it has a boundary and thus is not "infinite." But that's splitting hairs because we can't even wrap our human mind around the distance of a single light year, let alone 156 billion of them. So yeah, call it infinite. ;)[/quote018c29f5c3]

Nice explanation. +Karmel

Jams44

30-10-2006 19:31:56

[quoteb8b258c9cb="YourGiftsFree"]But whats at those boundries?[/quoteb8b258c9cb]

Results from the explosions I would suppose, nothingness and some sort of atomic matter, which in turn can form some sort of galaxy within itself.

burritopunk

30-10-2006 19:32:03

Nicely said dmorris.

Like I said, finite but exponentially expanding.

Nimh

30-10-2006 19:36:45

Impressive. I love the use of that fat kid dancing to that song. Kind of points out how stupid we are. Wonderful video.

theysayjump

30-10-2006 19:37:54

[quote2ea8515d84="YourGiftsFree"]But whats at those boundries?[/quote2ea8515d84]

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bballp6699

30-10-2006 19:41:24

Watch it. I've got dmorris on the REO Speedwagon - wagon with me now.

Jams44

30-10-2006 19:59:24

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Stroid

30-10-2006 20:01:06

http//hubblesite.org/gallery/wallpaper/pr2005037a/1280_wallpaper i really like this one and this is the one i just picked for my wallpaper simply amazing http//hubblesite.org/gallery/wallpaper/pr2003028a/ ...and yeah i have no idea whats out there but i dont doubt it

kdollar

30-10-2006 20:57:27

the ol' big bang theory.....sounds reliable. roll

burritopunk

30-10-2006 21:10:16

[quote045434ba21="kdollar"]the ol' big bang theory.....sounds reliable. roll[/quote045434ba21]

Elaborate a little.

kdollar

30-10-2006 21:18:20

nah its not the discussion, im not goin to thread crap, i couldnt get the video to load, so ill just stay out of it.

theysayjump

30-10-2006 21:20:28

[quoted73a2954e8="kdollar"]nah its not the discussion, im not goin to thread crap, i couldnt get the video to load, so ill just stay out of it.[/quoted73a2954e8]

Correct, this is the discussion http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=17850

wink

kdollar

30-10-2006 21:23:09

[quotec7a7834290="theysayjump"][quotec7a7834290="kdollar"]nah its not the discussion, im not goin to thread crap, i couldnt get the video to load, so ill just stay out of it.[/quotec7a7834290]

Correct, this is the discussion http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=17850

wink[/quotec7a7834290]

exactly, we should prolly put it next to the thread of driving or walking, wink

Allen626

30-10-2006 21:32:00

The big bang is pretty amazing when you look at it. That is where you get the cool terms like red shift and blue shift and quasars (sp?). I get more of a "infinite" sensation when I go camping and sleep under the stars on a nice not cloudy night. I live in the city so I usually don't see stars (.

UniPrize Media

30-10-2006 22:18:06

Our world is like the island on that show LOST. Some one is doing an experiment on us, lol. Does any one else ever try to think back to a time/place when there was nothing. Nothing meaning when there was no universe or anything. It's mind boggling to think about it bc it just seems impossible to even think about it. Anyways, I just wish I was born a couple thousand years ahead...things would have been much clearer.

VrExe

31-10-2006 12:42:59

Jeez you guys, don't you know that space is flat? If you keep going, you'll end up falling off.

Jams44

31-10-2006 15:15:29

Well, technically there has always been something. Our "universe" (not to be confused with galaxies) is just one of INFINITELY MANY that have/are/will be in existence. It's just how long they lasted. To get a universe like ours, is a one in who knows chance. To get elements perfectly stable to sustain an environment like our universe. If it isn;t stable, it collapses again starting the cycle over. When will the universe restart? At the time where the "big bang" can know longer create somthing stable to sustain life, thus the universe collapsing and restarting again. In some cases it can be easily understood but in other case like "As space exponentially increases, what is it increasing into? Some say another universe, others say nothingness, what it truly is? WHo knows. I;ve read all the theorems about it, which all state their reason as being truew but who the fuck could comprehend something as magnificent as the universe.

VrExe

31-10-2006 15:26:06

You are right, but one thing you have to keep in mind is that the definition of life-sustaining environment may not apply to all life matter. A different form of life might require different elements to be kept alive. Afterall, EVERYTHING is made up of matter.

EatChex89

31-10-2006 15:36:48

if there were other life forms out there, wouldn't they access the intraweb??!(one!!1!

Darkside

31-10-2006 15:45:13

Short and to the point more effective in my opinion

http//atinyglimpse.ytmnd.com/

burritopunk

31-10-2006 17:02:54

Thanks for the link Darkside. +kma

MyungChunHa

02-11-2006 11:39:32

[quote32963a0a23="Darkside"]Short and to the point more effective in my opinion

http//atinyglimpse.ytmnd.com/[/quote32963a0a23]
Yea, there was a good discussion about this in another thread, I don't see how so many members missed it though shrug

Anyways, like I was saying in the other thread, I think that the universe and inverse are both infinte, meaning that things keep getting bigger and keep going out (because I honestly don't see how there can be nothing) and things keep getting smaller and keep going in (i.e. atoms, quarks, whateverthefuckismakingupquarks)...

Think about everything that is in existence, humans, trees, atoms, molecules, etc., all have something making it up and to think about something existing without having something making up that existance is beyond logic....In order to have something, there has to be something that makes whatever you have up....You can't just have bread in your hand without having something making that bread up in the first place, and you can't have an atom without quarks making it up and you can't have quarks without something making that up....

So, invertly, you can't have the universe in existence without it existing in something else, it just wouldn't work if you just had the universe there...What, is there a wall that we reach and can't pass like in Halo or Turok? No, there has to be something there so that the universe can exist in it...It's not logically possible to hav eit any other way to me....Then again that universe in the video above has a galaxy larger than physically possible so anything to me is possible...

Confusing argument, I know, but it makes sense if you think about it....If you want to go even further in depth in my mind, then you would have a universe in everything that is in existence, isn't that weird to fathom?

Our universe is just a fragment of some other living being and that living being is in a universe that is really just a fragment of another living being, freaking insane and I think it's plausible

jordan90

03-11-2006 19:16:13

[quote222bc3dd3d="Jams44"]Well, technically there has always been something. Our "universe" (not to be confused with galaxies) is just one of INFINITELY MANY that have/are/will be in existence. It's just how long they lasted. To get a universe like ours, is a one in who knows chance. To get elements perfectly stable to sustain an environment like our universe. If it isn;t stable, it collapses again starting the cycle over. When will the universe restart? At the time where the "big bang" can know longer create somthing stable to sustain life, thus the universe collapsing and restarting again. In some cases it can be easily understood but in other case like "As space exponentially increases, what is it increasing into? Some say another universe, others say nothingness, what it truly is? WHo knows. I;ve read all the theorems about it, which all state their reason as being truew but who the fuck could comprehend something as magnificent as the universe.[/quote222bc3dd3d]

I found out something interesting though. In order for there to be enough mutations for a human to develop from practically nothing, you would have to have hundreds of good mutations every second from the beginning of the big bang in order for us to exist. I just can't see how people can watch a video like that and think that we are just the result of an accident.

OldManWrigley

03-11-2006 19:18:52

[quotee54d6ae737="jordan90"][quotee54d6ae737="Jams44"]Well, technically there has always been something. Our "universe" (not to be confused with galaxies) is just one of INFINITELY MANY that have/are/will be in existence. It's just how long they lasted. To get a universe like ours, is a one in who knows chance. To get elements perfectly stable to sustain an environment like our universe. If it isn;t stable, it collapses again starting the cycle over. When will the universe restart? At the time where the "big bang" can know longer create somthing stable to sustain life, thus the universe collapsing and restarting again. In some cases it can be easily understood but in other case like "As space exponentially increases, what is it increasing into? Some say another universe, others say nothingness, what it truly is? WHo knows. I;ve read all the theorems about it, which all state their reason as being truew but who the fuck could comprehend something as magnificent as the universe.[/quotee54d6ae737]

I found out something interesting though. In order for there to be enough mutations for a human to develop from practically nothing, you would have to have hundreds of good mutations every second from the beginning of the big bang in order for us to exist. I just can't see how people can watch a video like that and think that we are just the result of an accident.[/quotee54d6ae737]

Congrats on your first karma, it was from me.

Tholek

03-11-2006 20:02:39

[quote6738ab50da="OldManWrigley"][quote6738ab50da="jordan90"][quote6738ab50da="Jams44"]Well, technically there has always been something. Our "universe" (not to be confused with galaxies) is just one of INFINITELY MANY that have/are/will be in existence. It's just how long they lasted. To get a universe like ours, is a one in who knows chance. To get elements perfectly stable to sustain an environment like our universe. If it isn;t stable, it collapses again starting the cycle over. When will the universe restart? At the time where the "big bang" can know longer create somthing stable to sustain life, thus the universe collapsing and restarting again. In some cases it can be easily understood but in other case like "As space exponentially increases, what is it increasing into? Some say another universe, others say nothingness, what it truly is? WHo knows. I;ve read all the theorems about it, which all state their reason as being truew but who the fuck could comprehend something as magnificent as the universe.[/quote6738ab50da]

I found out something interesting though. In order for there to be enough mutations for a human to develop from practically nothing, you would have to have hundreds of good mutations every second from the beginning of the big bang in order for us to exist. I just can't see how people can watch a video like that and think that we are just the result of an accident.[/quote6738ab50da]

Congrats on your first karma, it was from me.[/quote6738ab50da]

Wow, I think you both need to see the video that puts [i6738ab50da]time[/i6738ab50da] into perspective. )

TryinToGetPaid

03-11-2006 20:03:23

Link?