Microsoft is banning 360 firmware modders

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Xplic1T

29-10-2006 23:33:52

Hmmm

Saw this article on Digg.com

After several months of silence it was more or less accepted that Microsoft wasn’t going to do anything about the firmware hacks that allow Xbox 360s to play backups. Rather surprising, considering the ‘inventor’ of the hack confirmed in March already that the mods are easily detectable, and the reports that piracy is running rampant in countries like China. It appears that Microsoft is finally taking action against them though, although they may be hitting the wrong persons.

This thread on the official Xbox.com forums was started by Furydog, who posts with a completely empty gamer profile

I have two xbox 360’s and since Friday October 13 2006 I have not been able to connect with my two 360’s. According to MS customer support my status codes indicate that I have MODDED 360’s which I don’t. I have contacted several different people and I only one person (GreenJohnny) has responded to me but he was not able to assist me. Although, he did confirm that the status codes I received indicate that my systems Mac addresses are banned because their supposedly MODDED.

Xbox Support stating there are status codes that indicate a machine was banned for modding? That’s a new one. To further confirm the story ILBCNU from Xbox Support Staff responds to his post stating they are investigating the issue and apologizing for the problem. No denial or anything, so yep, your modded Xbox 360 is now officially in risk of getting banned from Live or worse.

HackerThe fundamental problem with the firmware hack is that it’s a so-called Man in the Middle attack on the system’s security. Imagine a phone call between 2 English speaking people, and you’ve got control over the line in between. By cutting in at the right moments, you can make it appear to one of the participants that the other one is saying something to him, but it’s actually you saying something else and making him believe that it’s a valid response. That’s a simplified explanation of how the hacked firmware works it lies to the 360 kernel about what the disc is saying about its authenticity. Now imagine if both the speakers on that phone line suspected you were in the middle, and switched to speaking a slightly modified dialect. If you’re still breaking in with the original dialect, it’s easily detectable that you’re trying to fool around. Back to the 360, since Microsoft still has absolute control over disc contents and the kernel code, they can simply change the dialect on both sides and thus detect firmware hacks. If they wish, they can take any action they want upon detection, ranging from the simple Xbox Live ban to even bricking your 360 or disabling it to run any newly released games.

There is something slightly fishy about the report though, being that it says the 360 is banned based on MAC address. Those of us familiar with the OSI model and common network implementations will immediately know this is not true, because MAC addresses are part of the Ethernet protocol and live on Layer 2, and never get routed over the internet. In simple terms your 360s MAC address is not remotely identifiable. An option could be that the Xbox Live login code sends the MAC address itself to the Live servers to be able to uniquely identify the 360, but that would be plain silly since MAC addresses are known not to be unique they only need to be unique within their physical subnet. A far more obvious solution on Microsoft’s part would be to use the console serial number for this, which is embedded in the system anyway and truly unique.

Drowning firmware chips in epoxy didn’t stop the modders…

Whatever the details, we can probably consider it a fact that MS is currently acting against modded Xbox 360s, and you should start worrying if you’ve got a firmware replacement in your concave box the Empire is Striking Back.

Digg Article

Commander

30-10-2006 03:37:17

This is just on XBOXLIVE though right? They can't do shit if it's just modded and you play single player right?

Mine is modded, every game I have is copied lol.

PsychoAU

30-10-2006 04:13:55

Those people act like the console is worthless without xbox live. I would gladly give up multiplayer if it meant I could copy all of the games for free. Multiplayer is over rated anyway. (Mainly because I suck at multiplayer games. hehehe)

hehehhehe

30-10-2006 08:10:03

Xbox scene says it is fake. Every time there is a new game, some idiot reports they are banned from live so I guess this is no exception. It might happen for real eventually though.

michae229

30-10-2006 10:30:37

yea proven fake and yea i copy my games and if i get banned from live i wouldn't give a damn

bruman

30-10-2006 10:34:09

I can't wait to mod my Nintendo Wii

michae229

30-10-2006 10:35:18

i think a hacked PS3 will be like the xbox1 when it was hacked

h3x

30-10-2006 16:32:52

XBOX 360 firmware modding doesn't mean shit to me... I don't care about playing pirated games... All I care about is homebrew (i.e. XBMC, Linux, DVD2XBOX). That's probably why I don't have an XBOX 360. I'm still busy with my XBOX 1.

Xplic1T

30-10-2006 18:31:08

there has been work on running that unsigned code off that xbox 1 emulator inside the console but again

ms signed xbe's with no real deav kit

CollidgeGraduit

30-10-2006 18:31:49

take the referral link out of your sig now, Xplic1t

Xplic1T

30-10-2006 19:10:52

sorry collidge ;D

fixed now