North Korea Test Nuclear Weapon

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Just reported 15 minutes ago http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/6032525.stm

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They (the people in charge over there) are such crazy bastards...

Wow. I just don't understand.

Yeah they are crazy. Did you hear about the soldiers from the North and South firing shots at each other over the border during the week?

I'll tell you what though, I'm glad Bush and his henchmen are spending nearly $,2,000,000,000 a [b6deb85284b]week[/color6deb85284b][/b6deb85284b] on the war in Iraq and letting these lunatics carry on.

[quote158e5b8031="theysayjump"]Yeah they are crazy. Did you hear about the soldiers from the North and South firing shots at each other over the border during the week?

I'll tell you what though, I'm glad Bush and his henchmen are spending nearly $,2,000,000,000 a [b158e5b8031]week[/color158e5b8031][/b158e5b8031] on the war in Iraq and letting these lunatics carry on.[/quote158e5b8031]

off-topic but, I got a question for you jump. I saw Dj dangermouse in your sig and I was wondering if youve listened to they grey album yet. Its great.

I can't believe those bastards actually did it.

[quote1b29b65362="hovigga"][quote1b29b65362="theysayjump"]Yeah they are crazy. Did you hear about the soldiers from the North and South firing shots at each other over the border during the week?

I'll tell you what though, I'm glad Bush and his henchmen are spending nearly $,2,000,000,000 a [b1b29b65362]week[/color1b29b65362][/b1b29b65362] on the war in Iraq and letting these lunatics carry on.[/quote1b29b65362]

off-topic but, I got a question for you jump. I saw Dj dangermouse in your sig and I was wondering if youve listened to they grey album yet. Its great.[/quote1b29b65362]

That's what he was listening to.

Damn....I really wanted to see the next season of Dr Who too. (

sigh

How cute though, DPRK tested on the 8th anniversary of Kim Jong Il rising to power...nice fireworks.

At the risk of sounding dire...this test marks the beginning of a new world order.

uh oh

I don't believe anything they (NK) say...

[quote01019a539c="Wolfeman"]I don't believe anything they (NK) say...[/quote01019a539c]

A South Korean official said an explosion had been detected in the north-east of North Korea, measuring 3.5 on the Richter scale.


I believe that though... Hope to God this doesn't mean a third front of the war on terror... ?

yeah, I thought about NK lying too. But the US could easily find out if they did this, and NK knows this, so why lie.

[quotea0a5139d10="justinag06"]yeah, I thought about NK lying too. But the US could easily find out if they did this, and NK knows this, so why lie.[/quotea0a5139d10]

it doesnt help them to lie though. does it?

[quotedc2dd5877f="Aurelius"][quotedc2dd5877f="Wolfeman"]I don't believe anything they (NK) say...[/quotedc2dd5877f]

A South Korean official said an explosion had been detected in the north-east of North Korea, measuring 3.5 on the Richter scale.


I believe that though... Hope to God this doesn't mean a third front of the war on terror... ?[/quotedc2dd5877f]

USGS has detected 4.2 scale tremors; NK isn't bluffing. We've known for a long time the exact location of their test facilities. There are li.kmz files around that are annotated to even identify the facilities for the layman.

This will not bring WWIII, but it's going to provide fodder for W to start yapping about DPRK again. There's little the world can do about DPRK's weapons, beyond economic sanctions.

It will be interested to see what President Abe's response is duing the meetings later today.

I don't know how it would help them to lie, but maybe someone could. I didn't want to assume there was no benefit to it.

Who is NK's main target, Japan and China?

Japan. China is an ally.

I don't think they'd target South Korea. I think they still believe they will retake it someday.

[quote0ad32e659f="doylnea"][quote0ad32e659f="hovigga"][quote0ad32e659f="theysayjump"]Yeah they are crazy. Did you hear about the soldiers from the North and South firing shots at each other over the border during the week?

I'll tell you what though, I'm glad Bush and his henchmen are spending nearly $,2,000,000,000 a [b0ad32e659f]week[/color0ad32e659f][/b0ad32e659f] on the war in Iraq and letting these lunatics carry on.[/quote0ad32e659f]

off-topic but, I got a question for you jump. I saw Dj dangermouse in your sig and I was wondering if youve listened to they grey album yet. Its great.[/quote0ad32e659f]

That's what he was listening to.[/quote0ad32e659f]

Actually it's an early mix tap of his from about '99, but yeah I've heard and have The Grey Album and I think it's amazing.

/back on topic

world war 3 mother fucker i thought you knew


[quote9217118394="Killer722"]I can't believe those bastards actually did it.[/quote9217118394]

anyone has snakes number i heard metal gear was used also lol

Grrr.

Kim Jong Il is a retard. At least he doesn't have a grudge against the UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AT SANTA CRUZ! I mean, whoo! That would be one heckuva specific target to bomb!

"Take out those fucking bastards at UC Santa Cruz! We'll waste all our resources taking them out!"

[quoteaee3115bf7="justinag06"]I don't know how it would help them to lie, but maybe someone could. I didn't want to assume there was no benefit to it.

Who is NK's main target, Japan and China?[/quoteaee3115bf7]

China is their ally.

The DPRK isn't going to do shit. Like doylnea said, this was politically motivated "fireworks" to commemorate Kim Jong Il's 8th anniversary.

All the DPRK wants is bilateral talks with the U.S., we did it during the Clinton administration (remember Madeleine Albright's visit to the DPRK?)... It's the Bush administration that is ultimately causing all of this shit... He's pissing off Kim Jong Il and sanctioning the country...

Now don't get me wrong... I don't condone the DPRK or Kim Jong Il's actions in any way, shape or form... But I have to say that Bush is the one that's causing all of this mess in the Korean Peninsula...

[quote5db57f1746="Tholek"]Grrr.[/quote5db57f1746]

...and there was 5 minutes there where I thought there would be an intelligent conversation about world politics on FiPG. I now know better. oops

[quote0b054c7211="doylnea"][quote0b054c7211="Tholek"]Grrr.[/quote0b054c7211]

...and there was 5 minutes there where I thought there would be an intelligent conversation about world politics on FiPG. I now know better. oops[/quote0b054c7211]

this is for sure.

My "grr" was aimed at those who didn't let me edit my post in time enough to look flawless. ;)

[quote60ca34b313="doylnea"][quote60ca34b313="Tholek"]Grrr.[/quote60ca34b313]

...and there was 5 minutes there where I thought there would be an intelligent conversation about world politics on FiPG. I now know better. oops[/quote60ca34b313]

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1. NK will never consider attacking SK again or Japan for that matter. Those who are saying, "OMG they are going to nuke us!" or "WW III." Fvcking please, oh, and calm down. It's funny how S. Koreans are calmer and live right next to NK, yet people here living thousands of miles away are freaking out.

2. Geopolitics of NK is much more complicated than, say, Iraq and Afghanistan. Thus, drop pre-emptive strike jingoistic bull$hit now. NK has barrages of missles and artilleries aimed at Seoul, a metropolis, not to mention Tokyo as well. Just imagine your state as SK and a state next, top, or below you as NK with artelleries and missles aimed at you.

3. China would not allow a war. It will pay HEAVILY with economic repercussions. Although it does not want to see a U.S. ally on its border, if a war breaks lose, it will most likely side with the U.S. and SK due to ramifications. Because the other choice would be siding with a starving nation and going to war against the world with little chance to win.

NK wants attention and leverage. It's also very afraid, because it just witnessed the U.S. wiping out the Taliban and then pre-emptive striking Iraq with lies. Kim Jong-Il is scared shitless right now.

I thought Kim Jong-Il might be emboldened by Hugo Chavez, Iran and Hezbollah's recent activities. I think he still isn't living in the real world.

[quote5ee8a8a92d="ffactoryxx"]1. NK will never consider attacking SK again or Japan for that matter. Those who are saying, "OMG they are going to nuke us!" or "WW III." Fvcking please, oh, and calm down. It's funny how S. Koreans are calmer and live right next to NK, yet people here living thousands of miles away are freaking out.

2. Geopolitics of NK is much more complicated than, say, Iraq and Afghanistan. Thus, drop pre-emptive strike jingoistic bull$hit now. NK has barrages of missles and artilleries aimed at Seoul, a metropolis, not to mention Tokyo as well. Just imagine your state as SK and a state next, top, or below you as NK with artelleries and missles aimed at you.

3. China would not allow a war. It will pay HEAVILY with economic repercussions. Although it does not want to see a U.S. ally on its border, if a war breaks lose, it will most likely side with the U.S. and SK due to ramifications. Because the other choice would be siding with a starving nation and going to war against the world with little chance to win.

NK wants attention and leverage. It's also very afraid, because it just witnessed the U.S. wiping out the Taliban and then pre-emptive striking Iraq with lies. Kim Jong-Il is scared shitless right now.[/quote5ee8a8a92d]

If it really comes down to a war, China isn't going to take the U.S. side. I'm not saying they are going to take the DPRK's side either; but it is a possibility, but a very slim possibilty much like a war occuring from this. If there was a war to come from this, the blame will solely be placed on us... We would be the one to make the first move.

Our relations to China are very poor... Our relationship is strictly about the money... Do you know we owe China close to $300,000,000,000? No... China would not take our side in a Second Korean War.

The only nations that would join in would be the U.S. and the ROK (though you could say Japan as well [but it is a country that we militarize, so that's kind of a moot point])... The U.K. is also a possible ally in the war... But it just won't happen.

Some discussion I found regarding the shots being fired in the DMZ...

[quote37ffd68953]BBC news 24 is currently reporting that south korean army have shot at the KPA soldiers near Panjumon. This was an unprovoked attack in response to speculation of a missile test by the DPRK.

has anyone heard any more information about this incident?[/quote37ffd68953]

[quote37ffd68953]I've read that 5 KPA soldiers 'infiltrated' the demilitarised zone for about 30 meters, they retreated after South Korean soldiers fired warning shots.

Personally I've got some question marks about the matter. Why would 5 KPA soldiers step into the demilitarised zone, there is clearly nothing to gain from such action. To me it seems that maybe the South Koreans are trying to give the DPRK a bad image, hoping more countries will condemn North Korea's nuclear ambitions.

p.s. A part of me hopes that the DPRK will only use the nuclear test as a threat and actually does it. Nuclear testing, no matter how controlled, is always bad for the enviroment and people living nearby. [/quote37ffd68953]

[quote37ffd68953]Itīs only to build up a bad image and to make fear against the DPRK. Such a bad propaganda message from the western media. Everyone should know that the DMZ is watcht by hundreds of video cameras and the south part is taking fotos of each bird flying across. So if this message was true, they would have taken pictures from the KPA soldiers. Did you see some? No! So everyone using his brain shoul know that itīs just there way to struggle against the DPRK.[/quote37ffd68953]

The last message does make somewhat of a valid point... There are lots of video cameras all over the DMZ... If that really happened, they would've of released it.

Why can't North Korea or any other non super power nation have advanced weapons??? It is a really retarded policy... If they really want peace in the world then the US and its buddies should get rid of their thousands of nucrlear warheads and all the other mass killing weapons they got.

I saw a special about the DMZ a few years back, and it clearly showed how provocative the North Koreans are. While this incident may not have happened, I find it easy to believe they "test" the South Koreans.

NK is all about provocation. This is why they're dangerous.

[quote4c485f493d="ulenie"]Why can't North Korea or any other non super power nation have advanced weapons??? It is a really retarded policy... If they really want peace in the world then the US and its buddies should get rid of their thousands of nucrlear warheads and all the other mass killing weapons they got.[/quote4c485f493d]

We should, but this isn't like Greenland or Ireland developing them. This country has officially stated that it is still in a state of war with the United States.

[quotef3f6b73053="Tholek"][quotef3f6b73053="ulenie"]Why can't North Korea or any other non super power nation have advanced weapons??? It is a really retarded policy... If they really want peace in the world then the US and its buddies should get rid of their thousands of nucrlear warheads and all the other mass killing weapons they got.[/quotef3f6b73053]

We should, but this isn't like Greenland or Ireland developing them. This country has officially stated that it is still in a state of war with the United States.[/quotef3f6b73053]

... and vice versa.

China has voiced its opposition to NK's tests, as has the U.S. If (or rather, when) we go to war with NK, it seems likely that China would actually ally with us, ā la Stalin. This sudden economic surge might help them stray away from communism (as they're already slowly doing) or push them back further into it. If the former, something good may yet come of this, and if the latter, I foresee [i62e1dd24f4]another[/i62e1dd24f4] war with China once the NK fiasco is done with.

I'm also wondering how this will affect our presidential elections.

It's funny how media works these days. If one thing happens people jump all over it. People always worry about things when it just happens and then forgets about it later on.

[quoteee31607676]If confirmed, the test would make North Korea the ninth country known to have nuclear weapons. [/quoteee31607676]

They aren't the only ones capable of starting a war. If there really were to be a war following this event. It would take place years after. North Korea wouldn't be that stupid to start a war they would lose from US and Canada. Of course, Canada would kick ass.

[quotebe352000ba="VrExe"]They aren't the only ones capable of starting a war. If there really were to be a war following this event. It would take place years after. North Korea wouldn't be that stupid to start a war they would lose from US and Canada. Of course, Canada would kick ass.[/quotebe352000ba]

Well, without going into too much detail, DPRK still doesn't have the ability fire a missle at anyone - any weapon they deploy would have to be dropped from a plane...

Further, there is nothing that says DPRK isn't stupid enough to go to war. In my opinion, this test is a call for help and attempt to restart the 6 party talks...I would expect to see further attempts to destablize DPRK in the comings months though.

[quote73cb82b5cc="h3x"][quote73cb82b5cc="doylnea"][quote73cb82b5cc="Tholek"]Grrr.[/quote73cb82b5cc]

...and there was 5 minutes there where I thought there would be an intelligent conversation about world politics on FiPG. I now know better. oops[/quote73cb82b5cc]

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[quotecf26a6b24a="doylnea"]Well, without going into too much detail, DPRK still doesn't have the ability fire a missle at anyone - any weapon they deploy would have to be dropped from a plane...

Further, there is nothing that says DPRK isn't stupid enough to go to war. In my opinion, this test is a call for help and attempt to restart the 6 party talks...I would expect to see further attempts to destablize DPRK in the comings months though.[/quotecf26a6b24a]

You are right, in the events that has occured in the past, what North Korea did was to get attention. For example, when media was paying too much attention on Iraq and Iran, they fired those missile tests which were all failures that dropped into the sea.

North Korea knows they are going to lose against the states. Not giving up the nuclear weapons just proves that they know it is the only leverage they have against US.

I just say give them the bilaterral talks... This is all it boils down to... The U.S. only agreeing to six-party talks (because Bush does not want any U.S.-DPRK relations forming) and the DPRK wants to talk with the U.S. one-on-one like in the days of the Clinton administration.

Bush and Kim Jong Il are both acting like children... Just have the damn bilaterral talks already! Though it isn't going to happen... Because the Bush administration will manipulate this and drive the DPRK into further mandatory economic sanctions... He's basically trying to kill them off (and you wonder why rural parts of the nation is starving roll). Though it isn't nearly as bad as they make it sound... It will be here pretty soon if further sanctions take place.

I don't see what North Korea can do other than be a threat. Even their allies have voiced against them having nuclear weapons so if they start some thing (war) it's them versus the world.

Damn. Just call the G-Unit, have them pop a few heads, bring the gat to Kim Jong Il's place, and serve him already.

[quote0cf11d9652="h3x"]Because the Bush administration will manipulate this and drive the DPRK into further mandatory economic sanctions... He's basically trying to kill them off (and you wonder why rural parts of the nation is starving roll)[/quote0cf11d9652]

Bush is why people starve n NK??? roll

I'm no Bush fan, but that's sheer insanity. NK, like some third world nations, get aid destined for the population, but due to corruption, it goes to those in power. If we lifted sanctions, it wouldn't change. The people might get some more food, but the lion's share of the economic boom will benefit the same corrupt regime.

This is not Cuba. Kim will not just sit there. If we ignore him, he [i0cf11d9652]will[/i0cf11d9652] try to provoke us to action again. It will likely be an attack on a ship near their territorial waters, or shooting down an aircraft near their airspace, claiming it was spies or something. That's what they do. They're too cowardly to attack their enemies outright.

i saw this posted already!
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oh and screw snake, we need these guys!
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[quote912efd51aa="h3x"][quote912efd51aa="justinag06"]I don't know how it would help them to lie, but maybe someone could. I didn't want to assume there was no benefit to it.

Who is NK's main target, Japan and China?[/quote912efd51aa]

China is their ally.

The DPRK isn't going to do shit. Like doylnea said, this was politically motivated "fireworks" to commemorate Kim Jong Il's 8th anniversary.

All the DPRK wants is bilateral talks with the U.S., we did it during the Clinton administration (remember Madeleine Albright's visit to the DPRK?)... It's the Bush administration that is ultimately causing all of this shit... He's pissing off Kim Jong Il and sanctioning the country...

Now don't get me wrong... I don't condone the DPRK or Kim Jong Il's actions in any way, shape or form... But I have to say that Bush is the one that's causing all of this mess in the Korean Peninsula...[/quote912efd51aa]

Wow I thought you were just a dumb pothead. You surprised me with your high-level understanding of this situation. Great job

[quote3b99422c5c="doylnea"][quote3b99422c5c="VrExe"]They aren't the only ones capable of starting a war. If there really were to be a war following this event. It would take place years after. North Korea wouldn't be that stupid to start a war they would lose from US and Canada. Of course, Canada would kick ass.[/quote3b99422c5c]

Well, without going into too much detail, DPRK still doesn't have the ability fire a missle at anyone - any weapon they deploy would have to be dropped from a plane...

Further, there is nothing that says DPRK isn't stupid enough to go to war. In my opinion, this test is a call for help and attempt to restart the 6 party talks...I would expect to see further attempts to destablize DPRK in the comings months though.[/quote3b99422c5c]

I think the govt is worried about DPRK transfering or selling their weapons to al quida or other terrorist factions since they both see America as a common enemy. Also the US doesnt want to lose geopolitical dominance in that region. A domino effect may occur as Japan will find reasons to defend itself now and will try to push for its own military and may even try to produce its own wmd's. Something Im sure America doesnt want. if anyone has the right to use wmds' it's japan and we should be scared shitless if they ever get wmds.

[quote9809907c86="VrExe"]It's funny how media works these days. If one thing happens people jump all over it. People always worry about things when it just happens and then forgets about it later on.[/quote9809907c86]

Um, the media and people have been worrying about NK's possible possession of nukes for quite a while now. For a few years, you know. This is not some new hype.

[quote9809907c86][quote9809907c86]If confirmed, the test would make North Korea the ninth country known to have nuclear weapons. [/quote9809907c86]

They aren't the only ones capable of starting a war. If there really were to be a war following this event. It would take place years after. North Korea wouldn't be that stupid to start a war they would lose from US and Canada. Of course, Canada would kick ass.[/quote9809907c86]

But NK is one of the most erratic countries in power. It will take a while for them to be capable of threatening us, but if Bush decides another preemptive strike is in order then we could be ready to go fairly soon. NK is scared of the U.S. and that is exactly why they could be stupid enough to fire missiles at it or its allies.

Something that I have a problem with and that pulls at me when it comes to the USA and our foreign policy with countries seeking nuclear power and nuclear arms.
On one side I think that we need to keep nuclear arms and therefore enriched uranium out of the hands of countries that have the opportunity to use them for harm.
On the other side, I think that when it comes to our foreign policy we often are invasive, often overly invasive, and deny countries the right to establish economic or technological footholds and advances.

Of course in this case nuclear arms mean possible use of these when in the hands of the NK leader.

[quotecd7553e654="Tholek"][quotecd7553e654="h3x"]Because the Bush administration will manipulate this and drive the DPRK into further mandatory economic sanctions... He's basically trying to kill them off (and you wonder why rural parts of the nation is starving roll)[/quotecd7553e654]

Bush is why people starve n NK??? roll

I'm no Bush fan, but that's sheer insanity. NK, like some third world nations, get aid destined for the population, but due to corruption, it goes to those in power. If we lifted sanctions, it wouldn't change. The people might get some more food, but the lion's share of the economic boom will benefit the same corrupt regime.

This is not Cuba. Kim will not just sit there. If we ignore him, he [icd7553e654]will[/icd7553e654] try to provoke us to action again. It will likely be an attack on a ship near their territorial waters, or shooting down an aircraft near their airspace, claiming it was spies or something. That's what they do. They're too cowardly to attack their enemies outright.[/quotecd7553e654]

No, Bush is not the reason for starvation in the DPRK... What I'm trying to say is Bush is pushing for more and more economic sanctions against the DPRK, driving them further into isolation. He's basically making the situation worst... Starvation in the DPRK has been an occurance even in the Clinton administration, but the Bush administration is provoking it further... Yes, Kim Jong Il shouldn't be threatening us with nuclear weapons... But, we shouldn't be cutting them off from necessities either [such as food]... During the first year of the Bush administration, he cut the food aid to the DPRK by half. I'm not even sure what the figure is now (or if we are even giving them any food now)... But his administration is making things worst over there... Again, not 100% to blame.. But a major contributor. I hope that clarifies things a bit.

[quote26fdc41053="h3x"]No, Bush is not the reason for starvation in the DPRK... What I'm trying to say is Bush is pushing for more and more economic sanctions against the DPRK, driving them further into isolation. He's basically making the situation worst... Starvation in the DPRK has been an occurance even in the Clinton administration, but the Bush administration is provoking it further... Yes, Kim Jong Il shouldn't be threatening us with nuclear weapons... But, we shouldn't be cutting them off from necessities either [such as food]... During the first year of the Bush administration, he cut the food aid to the DPRK by half. I'm not even sure what the figure is now (or if we are even giving them any food now)... But his administration is making things worst over there... Again, not 100% to blame.. But a major contributor. I hope that clarifies things a bit.[/quote26fdc41053]

The factors that are causing starvation in NK are due to Kim's leadership and his dissent for the people. Sending food over there does very little in the long run, or even the short run. There are too many people there, and the dictator's hold on the people is too great. Until that is addressed there is very little any outside help can do without intervening with NK's governing policies.

[quote86356960a0="ilanbg"][quote86356960a0="h3x"]No, Bush is not the reason for starvation in the DPRK... What I'm trying to say is Bush is pushing for more and more economic sanctions against the DPRK, driving them further into isolation. He's basically making the situation worst... Starvation in the DPRK has been an occurance even in the Clinton administration, but the Bush administration is provoking it further... Yes, Kim Jong Il shouldn't be threatening us with nuclear weapons... But, we shouldn't be cutting them off from necessities either [such as food]... During the first year of the Bush administration, he cut the food aid to the DPRK by half. I'm not even sure what the figure is now (or if we are even giving them any food now)... But his administration is making things worst over there... Again, not 100% to blame.. But a major contributor. I hope that clarifies things a bit.[/quote86356960a0]

The factors that are causing starvation in NK are due to Kim's leadership and his dissent for the people. Sending food over there does very little in the long run, or even the short run. There are too many people there, and the dictator's hold on the people is too great. Until that is addressed there is very little any outside help can do without intervening with NK's governing policies.[/quote86356960a0]

Well the starvation is only occuring in the rural areas of the DPRK... and you are right... Kim's lack of financial support in the rural provinces of the DPRK is not helping at all... But economic sanctions would still drive the country into complete starvation... It's only in a few small areas of the DPRK now... But if the country is to be completely sanctioned, you will start to see it spreading throughout the country... It's inhumane to impose U.N. sanctions. We won't be any better than Kim Jong Il if we do that... In fact, we would be a lot worst.

For those interested in arms control stuff... http//www.armscontrolwonk.com/ has great coverage of the DPRK test. ACW and others are now suggesting, either the test was a dud, or was faked...

as that assclown drudge reports

...developing

Here's something interesting I found on the DPRK website... A song.

http//www.korea-dpr.com/no_motherland_without_you.mp3[]http//www.korea-dpr.com/no_motherland_without_you.mp3

I'll have a translation available in 15 minutes.

[Translation]

Sana un ko pung do cho mol anaeko
You pushed away the severe storm

Shin nyeom ul an kyeojun Kim Jong Il changun
You gave us belief, Comrade Kim Jong Il

Tangshin I eops eu myeon uri do op ko
We cannot live without you

Tangshin I eops eu myeon, choguk do op ta!
Our country can not exist without you!

Miredo shi mang do da mat a chun un
Our future and hope depend on you

Min chok eun myeong in Kim Jong Il changun
People's fate depends on you, Comrade Kim Jong Il!

Tangshin I eops eu myeon uri do op ko
We cannot live without you

Tangshin I eops eu myeon, choguk do op ta!
Our country can not exist without you!

Sesang i yeol bek pon piong han da hae do
Even if the world changes hundreds of times

Inmin eun mit neun da Kim Jong Il changun
People believe in you, Comrade Kim Jong Il

Tangshin I eops eu myeon uri do op ko
We cannot live without you

Tangshin I eops eu myeon, choguk do op ta!
Our country can not exist without you!

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Instead of starting a brand new topic about the song, heres the link to download the song (in case someone stumbles upon this thread and wants to listen to it)

http//www.big.or.jp/~jrldr/w/ipd01.html

The first MP3 is performed by the DPRK military (KPA [Korean People's Army]), the second MP3 is performed by Pochonbo Electric Ensemble (a DPRK band).

So, the fact that the test was generally a dud appears to have upset DPRK, because they didn't get the media coverage they wanted...

Perhaps a statement like this will attract the coverage they desire.

[quote704600cb1e]N Korean official says US could face nuke missile
Agencies / Seoul October 10, 2006
A North Korean official warned that the communist nation could fire a nuclear-tipped missile unless the US acts to resolve its standoff with Pyongyang, Yonhap news agency reported today.

"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes," the unnamed official said yesterday, according to a Ynhap report from Beijing.

"That depends on how the US will act." Yonhap didn't say how or where it contacted the official, why no name was given or why it delayed reporting until today.[/quote704600cb1e]

Now that said, I still don't believe DPRK has the technology to build, let alone deploy a nuclear warhead via a missle.

[quote48ce833c28="doylnea"]So, the fact that the test was generally a dud appears to have upset DPRK, because they didn't get the media coverage they wanted...

Perhaps a statement like this will attract the coverage they desire.

[quote48ce833c28]N Korean official says US could face nuke missile
Agencies / Seoul October 10, 2006
A North Korean official warned that the communist nation could fire a nuclear-tipped missile unless the US acts to resolve its standoff with Pyongyang, Yonhap news agency reported today.

"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes," the unnamed official said yesterday, according to a Ynhap report from Beijing.

"That depends on how the US will act." Yonhap didn't say how or where it contacted the official, why no name was given or why it delayed reporting until today.[/quote48ce833c28]

Now that said, I still don't believe DPRK has the technology to build, let alone deploy a nuclear warhead via a missle.[/quote48ce833c28]

Which we've both concluded... The DPRK is not a threat. They will make threats, but the threats aren't valid. If anything, [b48ce833c28]I[/b48ce833c28] should be worrying about this because they can only reach Alaska with their Taepodong 2 missles.

So everyone can quit having a panic attack about this. http//forum.freeipodguide.com/smilies_mod/upload/6309177bbdce1878dd071699e49d58ee.gif[" alt=""/img48ce833c28]

[quote62551bb1be="h3x"][quote62551bb1be="doylnea"]So, the fact that the test was generally a dud appears to have upset DPRK, because they didn't get the media coverage they wanted...

Perhaps a statement like this will attract the coverage they desire.

[quote62551bb1be]N Korean official says US could face nuke missile
Agencies / Seoul October 10, 2006
A North Korean official warned that the communist nation could fire a nuclear-tipped missile unless the US acts to resolve its standoff with Pyongyang, Yonhap news agency reported today.

"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes," the unnamed official said yesterday, according to a Ynhap report from Beijing.

"That depends on how the US will act." Yonhap didn't say how or where it contacted the official, why no name was given or why it delayed reporting until today.[/quote62551bb1be]

Now that said, I still don't believe DPRK has the technology to build, let alone deploy a nuclear warhead via a missle.[/quote62551bb1be]

Which we've both concluded... The DPRK is not a threat. They will make threats, but the threats aren't valid. If anything, [b62551bb1be]I[/b62551bb1be] should be worrying about this because they can only reach Alaska with their Taepodong 2 missles.

So everyone can quit having a panic attack about this. http//forum.freeipodguide.com/smilies_mod/upload/6309177bbdce1878dd071699e49d58ee.gif[" alt=""/img62551bb1be][/quote62551bb1be]

WTH would they be proving by bombing Alaska?

"Over 2 million tons of snow was evaporated instantly."

Alaska is like Canada. Who cares?

As far as the people go, just keep living your oh-so-high lifestyle and nothing will faze you.

[quote0f1d8dab2c="Killer722"][quote0f1d8dab2c="h3x"][quote0f1d8dab2c="doylnea"]So, the fact that the test was generally a dud appears to have upset DPRK, because they didn't get the media coverage they wanted...

Perhaps a statement like this will attract the coverage they desire.

[quote0f1d8dab2c]N Korean official says US could face nuke missile
Agencies / Seoul October 10, 2006
A North Korean official warned that the communist nation could fire a nuclear-tipped missile unless the US acts to resolve its standoff with Pyongyang, Yonhap news agency reported today.

"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes," the unnamed official said yesterday, according to a Ynhap report from Beijing.

"That depends on how the US will act." Yonhap didn't say how or where it contacted the official, why no name was given or why it delayed reporting until today.[/quote0f1d8dab2c]

Now that said, I still don't believe DPRK has the technology to build, let alone deploy a nuclear warhead via a missle.[/quote0f1d8dab2c]

Which we've both concluded... The DPRK is not a threat. They will make threats, but the threats aren't valid. If anything, [b0f1d8dab2c]I[/b0f1d8dab2c] should be worrying about this because they can only reach Alaska with their Taepodong 2 missles.

So everyone can quit having a panic attack about this. http//forum.freeipodguide.com/smilies_mod/upload/6309177bbdce1878dd071699e49d58ee.gif[" alt=""/img0f1d8dab2c][/quote0f1d8dab2c]

WTH would they be proving by bombing Alaska?

"Over 2 million tons of snow was evaporated instantly."

Alaska is like Canada. Who cares?

As far as the people go, just keep living your oh-so-high lifestyle and nothing will faze you.[/quote0f1d8dab2c]

We have a Missile Launch Complex in Alaska... That's why they would care. China and Russia cares very much, because they are easy targets from Alaska.

You assume it's all snow, when it's in fact the opposite. (It's 53 degrees right now... Not a single snow flake in sight. In fact, it's sunny with only a few clouds right now.).. Of course, it will get nippy in the winter all over Alaska, but it's nothing in comparison to places like New York in the winter.

All the snow and coldness is in Northern Alaska, not Southern Alaska where civilization lives. Do you have any clue just how big Alaska is?

[img="0f1d8dab2c]http/" alt=""/img142.imageshack.us/img="142/8185/akusajt5.jpg[" alt=""/img0f1d8dab2c]

Here's an interview with the DPRK Special Delegate of the Committee for Cultural Relations with Foreign Countries, Alejandro Cao De Benos

[quote3afb674465]> 1) What is the reason for the test?

The reason is uniquely for the purpose of self-defense. The DPR of Korea
has been under continuous threatening from the USA for more than half a
century.
The testing of our nuclear device serve us to further enhance such
technology, to speed up the building of deterrence against USA invasion
and to demonstrate the world that we possess such power.


> 2) Does DPR Korea have any intentions of using the weapons against
> its neighbours?


Absolutely not. A nuclear weapon in the DPRK is a thousand times safer
than one in Washington. We shall remember that the only country in the
world that used it was USA themselves. Also it's obvious that Bush is the
Leader of a new imperialist power that do not hesitate to kill civilians
and destroy the cultures of Afghanistan or Iraq for instance.
The DPRK cannot remain a mere spectator and let Washington to blockade our sovereign nation threatening our government and people.
The nuclear deterrence is to safeguard the nation. If USA knows that we
have such capacity (nuclear) and that we can deliver it at any part of
their territory (intercontinental missiles), they will think twice before
doing it.
We consider USA like an arrogant bully that pressures and wishes to
control all countries in the world. But once a small nation can have
strong weapons, it can remain independent and prevent any attack, so
increasing the peace and stability in the zone.
DPRK always wishes the peace, but will not beg for it. It's not the North
Korean troops that are in Alaska, but the american ones that occupied
South Korea and wish to accomplish the global domination.

3) What do you think of the other nations critique of the tests?

The DPRK is a sovereign nation, so it has all the rights to defend its
sovereignty in any manner as long as it doesn't harm other countries.
Israel, UK or France have nuclear weapons. Why our country has not the
right to possess them?
Many nations talk so much about peace and progress critizicing the DPRK.
But when USA attacked Iraq, who did something to prevent it?
This is a complete hipocrisy. Nobody will protect North Korea if USA wants to invade it, so we have to rely in our own forces and find all means to protect the society, the government chosen by its people.
A father will do anything for protecting his children. The DPRK is exactly
doing that. It's completely logical.
In North Korea we have a saying 'Although the dog barks, the train runs'.
This means, no matter how many critiques or blockades, we will continue
the path chosen by us.[/quote3afb674465]

Here's the shocker... The DPRK Special Delegate is a Spanyard shock

http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Alejandro_cao_de_benos.png[" alt=""/img3afb674465]

... and a video clip from the DPRK Central Television of him talking about the DPRK and he even sings that song I posted (It's been translated to English) lol

[url=]http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7020315941569660600&hl=en[]http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7020315941569660600&hl=en[/url]

[quotea282e33a17="h3x"][quotea282e33a17="Killer722"][quotea282e33a17="h3x"][quotea282e33a17="doylnea"]So, the fact that the test was generally a dud appears to have upset DPRK, because they didn't get the media coverage they wanted...

Perhaps a statement like this will attract the coverage they desire.

[quotea282e33a17]N Korean official says US could face nuke missile
Agencies / Seoul October 10, 2006
A North Korean official warned that the communist nation could fire a nuclear-tipped missile unless the US acts to resolve its standoff with Pyongyang, Yonhap news agency reported today.

"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes," the unnamed official said yesterday, according to a Ynhap report from Beijing.

"That depends on how the US will act." Yonhap didn't say how or where it contacted the official, why no name was given or why it delayed reporting until today.[/quotea282e33a17]

Now that said, I still don't believe DPRK has the technology to build, let alone deploy a nuclear warhead via a missle.[/quotea282e33a17]

Which we've both concluded... The DPRK is not a threat. They will make threats, but the threats aren't valid. If anything, [ba282e33a17]I[/ba282e33a17] should be worrying about this because they can only reach Alaska with their Taepodong 2 missles.

So everyone can quit having a panic attack about this. http//forum.freeipodguide.com/smilies_mod/upload/6309177bbdce1878dd071699e49d58ee.gif[" alt=""/imga282e33a17][/quotea282e33a17]

WTH would they be proving by bombing Alaska?

"Over 2 million tons of snow was evaporated instantly."

Alaska is like Canada. Who cares?

As far as the people go, just keep living your oh-so-high lifestyle and nothing will faze you.[/quotea282e33a17]

We have a Missile Launch Complex in Alaska... That's why they would care. China and Russia cares very much, because they are easy targets from Alaska.

You assume it's all snow, when it's in fact the opposite. (It's 53 degrees right now... Not a single snow flake in sight. In fact, it's sunny with only a few clouds right now.).. Of course, it will get nippy in the winter all over Alaska, but it's nothing in comparison to places like New York in the winter.

All the snow and coldness is in Northern Alaska, not Southern Alaska where civilization lives. Do you have any clue just how big Alaska is?

[img="a282e33a17]http/" alt=""/img142.imageshack.us/img="142/8185/akusajt5.jpg[" alt=""/imga282e33a17][/quotea282e33a17]

I was obviously being a stereotypical jerkass...

But I appreciate the enlightening response. wink

[quote7321120f6e="Killer722"][quote7321120f6e="h3x"][quote7321120f6e="Killer722"][quote7321120f6e="h3x"][quote7321120f6e="doylnea"]So, the fact that the test was generally a dud appears to have upset DPRK, because they didn't get the media coverage they wanted...

Perhaps a statement like this will attract the coverage they desire.

[quote7321120f6e]N Korean official says US could face nuke missile
Agencies / Seoul October 10, 2006
A North Korean official warned that the communist nation could fire a nuclear-tipped missile unless the US acts to resolve its standoff with Pyongyang, Yonhap news agency reported today.

"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes," the unnamed official said yesterday, according to a Ynhap report from Beijing.

"That depends on how the US will act." Yonhap didn't say how or where it contacted the official, why no name was given or why it delayed reporting until today.[/quote7321120f6e]

Now that said, I still don't believe DPRK has the technology to build, let alone deploy a nuclear warhead via a missle.[/quote7321120f6e]

Which we've both concluded... The DPRK is not a threat. They will make threats, but the threats aren't valid. If anything, [b7321120f6e]I[/b7321120f6e] should be worrying about this because they can only reach Alaska with their Taepodong 2 missles.

So everyone can quit having a panic attack about this. http//forum.freeipodguide.com/smilies_mod/upload/6309177bbdce1878dd071699e49d58ee.gif[" alt=""/img7321120f6e][/quote7321120f6e]

WTH would they be proving by bombing Alaska?

"Over 2 million tons of snow was evaporated instantly."

Alaska is like Canada. Who cares?

As far as the people go, just keep living your oh-so-high lifestyle and nothing will faze you.[/quote7321120f6e]

We have a Missile Launch Complex in Alaska... That's why they would care. China and Russia cares very much, because they are easy targets from Alaska.

You assume it's all snow, when it's in fact the opposite. (It's 53 degrees right now... Not a single snow flake in sight. In fact, it's sunny with only a few clouds right now.).. Of course, it will get nippy in the winter all over Alaska, but it's nothing in comparison to places like New York in the winter.

All the snow and coldness is in Northern Alaska, not Southern Alaska where civilization lives. Do you have any clue just how big Alaska is?

[img="7321120f6e]http/" alt=""/img142.imageshack.us/img="142/8185/akusajt5.jpg[" alt=""/img7321120f6e][/quote7321120f6e]

I was obviously being a stereotypical jerkass...

But I appreciate the enlightening response. wink[/quote7321120f6e]

You had me fooled... lol

You have no clue how many times I've been asked me so many stereotypical questions like... "Have you seen any penguins yet?", "Is it really true that it's -50 degrees in Alaska?", "How many igloos are there where you live?"

Haha, yea, I live in NJ. Nothing but radiation jokes, basically, but its all true. I'm sure I've made a polar bear joke at you before, too, hahah, but it was of course, a joke.

This is hilarious

http//youtube.com/watch?v=VH3HXV_DrGY[]http//youtube.com/watch?v=VH3HXV_DrGY

I love how one of the reporters say this is the closest you'll get without being shot and those North Korean civilians walk right past him lol

just saw on the news that japan has reported NK testing another nuke. SK says it's seen nothing so lishrugsli

LMAO... Some idiot hitting on DPRK waitresses and getting ridiculed by fellow tourists

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbgnNd2JOus&NR[]http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbgnNd2JOus&NR

[quoted8047bbfb4="h3x"]You have no clue how many times I've been asked me so many stereotypical questions like... "Have you seen any penguins yet?", "Is it really true that it's -50 degrees in Alaska?", "How many igloos are there where you live?"[/quoted8047bbfb4]

Yeah... that must suck.

Seriously though Are the penguins cute? I bet they're cute.

If you don't find this to be cute (no homo), you're a communist.

http/" alt=""/img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/MunirHarb/emperor-chick.jpg[/img6650c14953]

Seriously, that isn't cute.

Baby Penguins are ugly ducklings.

[quote7330950040="johnjimjones"]Seriously, that isn't cute.[/quote7330950040]

Communist and Communist.

http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6057718.stm

It's all about provocation with them. Kim's going to regret this in the end.

America, FUCK YEAH!

[quoteb7279d1a86="Tholek"]It's all about provocation with them. Kim's going to regret this in the end.[/quoteb7279d1a86]

The argument is of course "Until he sells his "bombs" to Iran."

He's not going to test again, unless his underlings are so stupid as to not report that the first test failed (relatively speaking). The only thing testing again could do is further strengthen the view that DPRK is still a ways away from a fully functional bomb.

Of course, if the implosion of the plutonium was ill-timed, and they just got royally screwed, then all bets are off. I don't know if they can look at the trace results and determine what caused their failure.

Either way, what they have now is less marketable than it was before it was tested. And if Iran really wants to buy a bomb, AQ Khan's network is still selling the components.

[quoteef6726732a="doylnea"][quoteef6726732a="Tholek"]It's all about provocation with them. Kim's going to regret this in the end.[/quoteef6726732a]

The argument is of course "Until he sells his "bombs" to Iran."

He's not going to test again, unless his underlings are so stupid as to not report that the first test failed (relatively speaking). The only thing testing again could do is further strengthen the view that DPRK is still a ways away from a fully functional bomb.

Of course, if the implosion of the plutonium was ill-timed, and they just got royally screwed, then all bets are off. I don't know if they can look at the trace results and determine what caused their failure.

Either way, what they have now is less marketable than it was before it was tested. And if Iran really wants to buy a bomb, AQ Khan's network is still selling the components.[/quoteef6726732a]

I'm really concerned where China stands on the issue. At first they weren't going to tolerate it and now it seems like they've softened up a bit when they refused to check the cargo from North Korea. I understand that NK is their biggest trading partner, but they seem to be moving away from the rest of the world's demands for sanctions and cargo checking.

http//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061017/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_nuclear

[quote5defe6659a]
SEOUL, South Korea -
North Korea said Tuesday the United Nations effectively declared war on the country when it imposed sanctions for the North's nuclear test.

North Korea wants "peace but is not afraid of war," the North's Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

The U.N. Security Council "resolution cannot be construed otherwise than a declaration of a war," the ministry said, calling the sanctions "a product of the U.S. hostile policy toward" North Korea.

The ministry warned that if anyone used the U.N. resolution to infringe on the country's sovereignty, North Korea "will deal merciless blows at him through strong actions."

The U.N. sanctions, approved Saturday, bans the sale of major arms to the North and orders the inspection of cargo to and from the country. It also calls for the freezing of assets of business supplying the North's nuclear and ballistic weapons programs.

The North "will closely follow the future U.S. attitude and take corresponding measures," the statement said, without specifying what those measures would be.
[/quote5defe6659a]

Along with http//www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/17/nkorea.sanctions/index.html
"U.S. officials N. Korea may be planning 2nd nuclear test"

http//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_kim_nuclear[quoteebf5cba09d]SEOUL, South Korea - North Korean leader Kim Jong Il expressed regret about his country's nuclear test to a Chinese delegation and said Pyongyang would return to international nuclear talks if Washington backs off a campaign to financially isolate the country, a South Korean newspaper reported Friday.

"If the U.S. makes a concession to some degree, we will also make a concession to some degree, whether it be bilateral talks or six-party talks," Kim was quoted as telling a Chinese envoy, the mass-circulation Chosun Ilbo reported, citing a diplomatic source in China.[/quoteebf5cba09d]

[quote2f3486a7c4="doylnea"]http//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_kim_nuclear[quote2f3486a7c4]SEOUL, South Korea - North Korean leader Kim Jong Il expressed regret about his country's nuclear test to a Chinese delegation and said Pyongyang would return to international nuclear talks if Washington backs off a campaign to financially isolate the country, a South Korean newspaper reported Friday.

"If the U.S. makes a concession to some degree, we will also make a concession to some degree, whether it be bilateral talks or six-party talks," Kim was quoted as telling a Chinese envoy, the mass-circulation Chosun Ilbo reported, citing a diplomatic source in China.[/quote2f3486a7c4][/quote2f3486a7c4]

Just watch. He'll test another nuke just to piss off the world. This is all going to plan for him.

[quote416556869b="johnjimjones"][quote416556869b="doylnea"]http//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_kim_nuclear[quote416556869b]SEOUL, South Korea - North Korean leader Kim Jong Il expressed regret about his country's nuclear test to a Chinese delegation and said Pyongyang would return to international nuclear talks if Washington backs off a campaign to financially isolate the country, a South Korean newspaper reported Friday.

"If the U.S. makes a concession to some degree, we will also make a concession to some degree, whether it be bilateral talks or six-party talks," Kim was quoted as telling a Chinese envoy, the mass-circulation Chosun Ilbo reported, citing a diplomatic source in China.[/quote416556869b][/quote416556869b]

Just watch. He'll test another nuke just to piss off the world. This is all going to plan for him.[/quote416556869b]

I doubt it. China laid the smack down in the past couple of days.

And, as much as you can say a nuclear explosion was a dud, his last test was a dud. Someone got something wrong, and the yield from their test was MUCH lower than they would have expected (unless they skipped gen 1 nuclear bombs).