To Catch a Predator

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Wolfeman

29-09-2006 22:15:37

I know its sick but I love how they ambush these fucks. They always have the most retarded excuses. They should do this 24/7 and take the pedophiles out back and just shoot them. I can't believe the things they say or want to do to these people they think are 13 or 14. Fucking sickos...

johnjimjones

29-09-2006 22:19:17

Are you refering to the Dateline Investigation? I watched those and laughed.

Wolfeman

29-09-2006 22:37:18

[quote2060c44ba9="johnjimjones"]Are you refering to the Dateline Investigation? I watched those and laughed.[/quote2060c44ba9]
Yes I am. They are too funny but these people are sick fucks...

johnjimjones

29-09-2006 22:47:21

Oh I agree. I just laugh at how the host talks to them like he's the bigshot that's caught them.

mnx12

29-09-2006 22:55:56

I watched Oprah yesterday and it was the same thing, and that was better. Mind you, I dont normall watch Oprah, it just came on...haha

JJPRO11

30-09-2006 00:15:21

undercover stings are always great to watch.

h3x

30-09-2006 01:12:53

[quote3e3327606e="johnjimjones"]Oh I agree. I just laugh at how the host talks to them like he's the bigshot that's caught them.[/quote3e3327606e]

You've never heard of Stone Phillips? Have you been living under a rock for the last 20 years?

I think it's great what NBC is doing... They might not catch every predator out there, but they are at least weeding them out and scaring would-be predators from commiting the act... They've caught some really sick fucks on there lately... Like this father who brought his 5 or 6 year old son to have sex with a 12 year old boy he met on the internet... and some Indian guy who wanted to have sex with a 13 year old and make her give oral sex with the house cat... It's complete humiliation at the same time, which they deserve...

ilanbg

30-09-2006 11:06:02

Does jail cure these problems? I think not.

Perhaps the media should be encouraging people to find a psychologist instead of humiliating them over a problem they can't control (at best, repress).

If this show existed fifty years ago it would be bustin' in on homosexuals. Look at it in perspective.

mnx12

30-09-2006 11:22:35

[quoted491de3f37="ilanbg"]Does jail cure these problems? I think not.

Perhaps the media should be encouraging people to find a psychologist instead of humiliating them over a problem they can't control (at best, repress).

If this show existed fifty years ago it would be bustin' in on homosexuals. Look at it in perspective.[/quoted491de3f37]Yeah, but at least its raising awareness.

TFOAF

30-09-2006 11:36:44

Shit. Did you see last night's? With the Mexican guy who drove three hours to come see this girl, and brought her a hamburger, rofl, and condoms.

They have major problems...and shouldn't...be here.

ilanbg

30-09-2006 11:42:05

[quote1d79ae32f2="mnx12"][quote1d79ae32f2="ilanbg"]Does jail cure these problems? I think not.

Perhaps the media should be encouraging people to find a psychologist instead of humiliating them over a problem they can't control (at best, repress).

If this show existed fifty years ago it would be bustin' in on homosexuals. Look at it in perspective.[/quote1d79ae32f2]Yeah, but at least its raising awareness.[/quote1d79ae32f2]

How, exactly?

tylerc

30-09-2006 11:51:33

Whoa whoa whoa, homosexuality between two adults is completely different than pedophilia.

TFOAF

30-09-2006 12:04:41

[quotef98ad4bcea="tylerc"]Whoa whoa whoa, homosexuality between two adults is completely different than pedophilia.[/quotef98ad4bcea]

Yea, but I think ilanbg is trying to prove a point. ;)

ilanbg

30-09-2006 12:20:51

Aye; my point is that fifty years ago homosexuality was considered as bad as pedophilia is considered now. In 1950 homosexuality was declared a disease, just like pedophilia is now considered a disease. In fifty years, for all we know we'll have pedophilia-pride parades. shrug

Either way, trying to humiliate people because of the urges they have is not an acceptable answer. Assuming pedophilia is wrong—and in today's society, it is—we should be encouraging people with such urges to get psychiatric help.

OldManWrigley

04-11-2006 18:08:08

Has anyone been watching this on Dateline? It's usually on every week with the same storyline. A shmuck talks dirty with a young teen on teh intarweb, plans to go to her house, goes to her house, and meets up with Mr. Hansen (?). I was watching it tonight, and most of the guys had said on the internet something about how they knew about the stories that are on Dateline. These people are so stupid, old guys trying to score young puss. Disgusting. Anyway, legally I don't think they can be persucuted simply because most didn't do anything wrong except maybe talk dirty to a kid. How is that worthly of 20 years jail time?

Discuss.....

TryinToGetPaid

04-11-2006 18:12:27

Been discussed before if I remember correctly.

Anyways, this is worth 20 years of jail time, they all have intent to have sex with underage boys or girls. They usually bring gifts/ condoms / rope / etc.

Also, they do not only get 20 years of jail, they probably sign their way to death. Most child molesters are killed in prison, so most prisons have to have separate sections for child molesters alone.

OldManWrigley

04-11-2006 18:19:50

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=46480

My mistake, it was the third page on the search, I only skimmed the first two then gave up on it being posted before, because I hadn't seen it.

Either way, there's new ones weekly, but yeah.

bruman

04-11-2006 18:19:55

This hasn't been on in a while, has it? I usually watch it every week but I thought the season was over with like a few weeks ago

benner410

04-11-2006 18:20:32

Did it come on tonight?

OldManWrigley

04-11-2006 18:23:26

It was on tonight, and it was on last week if I'm correct.

I'm not going to lie, they showed the girl on there tonight, in a towel. She was fine lol

Is it legal for say, two 14 year old kids to have sex? I was having this discussion with my mom, she said it'd be illegal, because I said I wanted to find some chat room and start talking to a girl like I was 40, then arrange to meet her, arrive and have some Dateline man try and get me arrested.....

Would it be illegal for a 17 year old + 14 year old to have sex?

TryinToGetPaid

04-11-2006 18:29:53

Yes. Depends on the state. In Louisiana 30 days after your 17th birthday you are considered an adult, and can be tried as one in court. So in Louisiana it WOULD be illegal for a 17 year old and a 13 year old to have sex.

bballp6699

04-11-2006 18:53:39

I actually made a thread about this about 6 months ago as well.

EatChex89

04-11-2006 20:56:24

i would go just to see who they have posing as the child and fuck her. because damn the girls they pick are hot and eligible ;)

mistertomlinson

05-11-2006 05:26:13

[quote8cebbd6386]old guys trying to score young puss[/quote8cebbd6386]

HAHAHAHAHAHA... Holy shit!

h3x

05-11-2006 08:17:56

Age of Consent varies from state to state...

For example, in my home state of Washington, the age of consent is 18. But in Alaska the age of consent is only [ba123308aea]16 years of age[/ba123308aea]. That's got to be the youngest in the country ?

What's even more strange and scary to me as an Icelander... That in Iceland the AoC is only [ba123308aea]14 years of age[/ba123308aea]. shock

VrExe

05-11-2006 08:56:27

"Boy, you're in Alabama Fool! An hour is all you get for touching a little girl."

tylerc

05-11-2006 09:12:20

Indiana's AoC is 16.

h3x

05-11-2006 09:55:41

[quote5ec88af2a5="tylerc"]Indiana's AoC is 16.[/quote5ec88af2a5]

Correction "one of the youngest in the country"

I don't think there's a civilized country out there with a younger AoC than Iceland shock

bruman

05-11-2006 10:46:23

Michigan's AOC is 16.

Canada's AOC is 14.

ilanbg

05-11-2006 11:08:33

As I said in the other thread, I think it's an awful show for various reasons, all of which fall under capitalising through exploitation.

Wolfeman

05-11-2006 12:54:29

I'm locking because a simple search would've found the existing thread...

Wolfeman

05-11-2006 12:55:17

On second thought I merged but use the search feature...

OldManWrigley

05-11-2006 14:39:40

[quote6c8efaece4="Wolfeman"]On second thought I merged but use the search feature...[/quote6c8efaece4]

Yeah I realized that, I did the regular search and i scanned two pages and found nothing, then I searched again on just the "off-topic" subforum and found it on the first page shrug

Sorry oops

Wolfeman

05-11-2006 14:41:04

Its cool. When is the next new one airing? They are the best dance

ilanbg

05-11-2006 14:52:27

Seriously, why do you guys like watching this stuff?

Wolfeman

05-11-2006 15:04:06

[quotea61f7d3b4a="ilanbg"]Seriously, why do you guys like watching this stuff?[/quotea61f7d3b4a]
I like to see the bad guys getting caught and their excuses are the funniest things ever...

ilanbg

05-11-2006 15:25:58

Convince me they are 'bad guys.'

Wolfeman

05-11-2006 15:27:04

[quote27c4c159ee="ilanbg"]Convince me they are 'bad guys.'[/quote27c4c159ee]
Um they are showing up trying to fuck pre-teens...

bballp6699

05-11-2006 15:27:32

Let's see. They want to have sex with 13 year old kids...?

TryinToGetPaid

05-11-2006 15:29:52

LOL. I am stating to think ilbabababa is one of these perverted old men.... I say standing up for a sick fuck is the same as being a sick fuck. Lemme guess, you stand up for cannibals too because it could be a disease?

mnx12

05-11-2006 15:30:41

I agree with ilanbag, they arent necessarily bad people, they just need some major help. I know im going to sound like a douche, but I think you should be legal to have sex as soon as you have the ability to reproduce.

bballp6699

05-11-2006 15:33:04

Yeah, you sound like a douche. Personally, I'd like to chop the nuts off of every one of them.

You could make the same excuse for murderers. They aren't necessarily bad, they just need help so they know not to kill. Horse shit.

bruman

05-11-2006 15:33:09

[quotea547efd2d1="TryinToGetPaid"]LOL. I am stating to think ilbabababa is one of these perverted old men....[/quotea547efd2d1]

Hah, damn straight. I can't believe ilanbg even said that

tylerc

05-11-2006 15:34:06

I don't know how much more wrong you can be, mnx.

First off, the age varies for when you are actually able to reproduce. Second, a 12 year-old girl getting coerced into sex by a 40+ year-old man is going to cause some serious psychological damage that will most likely last the rest of her life. Third, it's called 'age of consent' for a reason. That means that the government has decided at what age a human is aware, or at least more aware, of what they are actually doing. I'm not saying the government is always right, but I agree with them in this case.

Wolfeman

05-11-2006 15:36:09

[quotef107313daf="mnx12"]I agree with ilanbag, they arent necessarily bad people, they just need some major help. I know im going to sound like a douche, but I think you should be legal to have sex as soon as you have the ability to reproduce.[/quotef107313daf]
Yeah you sound like a douche. These aren't 16-17 year olds having sex with 18-19 year olds, these are men as old as their 50s trying to fuck kids that are 12-13. They are too immature to have sex you can tell by their decision to invite a total stranger to their house after 10 min. of IMing. The "they have a disease" argument is kinda bullshit. No one takes responsibility for their actions anymore...

tylerc

05-11-2006 15:37:53

Isn't that the beauty of America though, wolfe? Always push the blame on something else, couldn't be that they are sick fucks who should be locked away for good, they have a 'disease'.

TryinToGetPaid

05-11-2006 15:39:38

Yes TC it is.

No one is at fault for anything they do anymore. How often do you hear someone way, I am sorry it was my fault? Almost never.

theysayjump

05-11-2006 15:40:32

I can see the point that ilanbg is trying to make, but I think some of you are mixing up paedophilia with rape.

These guys didn't coerce anyone. As far as they knew, they would be engaging in consensual sex or sexual activities in the girls' house. It's kind of difficult to coerce someone on teh intrawebs, at least by my definition of the word.

theysayjump

05-11-2006 15:42:49

[quote1519cacbbc="Wolfeman"]Yeah you sound like a douche. These aren't 16-17 year olds having sex with 18-19 year olds, these are men as old as their 50s trying to fuck kids that are 12-13. [b1519cacbbc]They are too immature to have sex you can tell by their decision to invite a total stranger to their house after 10 min. of IMing.[/b1519cacbbc] The "they have a disease" argument is kinda bullshit. No one takes responsibility for their actions anymore...[/quote1519cacbbc]

So are the adults on sites like AdultFriendFinder who hook up with complete strangers in more dangerous places than their homes, too immature to have sex?

mnx12

05-11-2006 15:42:59

No, i dont mean that 50 year olds should be able to have sex with 13 year olds, i just mean that say an 18 or 19 year old and a 16 or 15 year old should have the same legality as a 30 year old with a 27 year old.

Wolfeman

05-11-2006 15:43:12

[quotec5521625ac="theysayjump"]I can see the point that ilanbg is trying to make, but I think some of you are mixing up paedophilia with rape.

These guys didn't coerce anyone. As far as they knew, they would be engaging in consensual sex or sexual activities in the girls' house. It's kind of difficult to coerce someone on teh intrawebs, at least by my definition of the word.[/quotec5521625ac]
They aren't "raping" the kids but it still isn't right...

bballp6699

05-11-2006 15:43:21

Like wolfe said, it's different if it were a 16-17 year old they were going after. The decoy acts like a 12-13 year old. You can't try to defend these crazy assholes that think its right...

Wolfeman

05-11-2006 15:46:43

[quote700b6e0bc8="theysayjump"][quote700b6e0bc8="Wolfeman"]Yeah you sound like a douche. These aren't 16-17 year olds having sex with 18-19 year olds, these are men as old as their 50s trying to fuck kids that are 12-13. [b700b6e0bc8]They are too immature to have sex you can tell by their decision to invite a total stranger to their house after 10 min. of IMing.[/b700b6e0bc8] The "they have a disease" argument is kinda bullshit. No one takes responsibility for their actions anymore...[/quote700b6e0bc8]

So are the adults on sites like AdultFriendFinder who hook up with complete strangers in more dangerous places than their homes, too immature to have sex?[/quote700b6e0bc8]
Kinda but they are old enough to make those risky decisions for themselves...

Wolfeman

05-11-2006 15:47:44

Just think if you'd be ok with your 12-13 year old daughter dating a 40 year old. I know I wouldn't be ok with that...

TryinToGetPaid

05-11-2006 15:50:46

Fuck no. I would beat the hell out of the old fuck.

OldManWrigley

05-11-2006 15:55:37

[quoteae91743939="mnx12"]No, i dont mean that 50 year olds should be able to have sex with 13 year olds, i just mean that say an 18 or 19 year old and a 16 or 15 year old should have the same legality as a 30 year old with a 27 year old.[/quoteae91743939]

You wouldn't think anything of an 19 year old dude having sex with a 15 year old teenier bopper? I disagree, I really wouldn't think that's right. When I first had sex with my girlfriend she was 19 and I was 16, and a few people rose eyebrows at that when they heard, but I do believe it's different when the girl is older. 19 year old girl and a 15 year old guy wouldn't be as bad, but still bad. Either way, there's a reason they don't do shows on teens attempting to fuck teens, they do it on these marines, ministers, and 50 year old men trying to have sex with a 12/13/14 year old girls.

It is rape.

You can't tell me that you honestly thought when you were 13 years old you knew the responsibilty and risks and everything else involved with sex. I do believe it's rape.

I don't enjoy watching this show, infact last night was the only full episode that I watched, and only because my mom had it on and I was exhausted on the couch. I don't like to see these old men crying, it's just not cool, but they desearve getting caught and arrested.


Not every old sick fuck who tries to bang some young vag has a "problem". It did look like a few of the guys had some mental disabilities last night, but not all of them. You don't have to be mentally deranged or have something physically or mentally wrong with you to want to bang someone that's 25-35 years younger then you. You're just a pervert.

TryinToGetPaid

05-11-2006 15:57:43

Unfortunately, wanting to have sex with small preteens in this country is looked down upon and warrants jail time and like I said before, being a child molester in jail is as good as lethal injection.

mnx12

05-11-2006 16:08:58

I guess I just wasnt explaining what I was saying very well. What I meant was if you are dating a 17 year old, and you just barely turn 18, all of a sudden you are a child molestor. I think there should also be a year or two buffer before that happens.

TryinToGetPaid

05-11-2006 16:10:05

Yeah, but on the show it is not 15 year olds wanting to fuck 12 year olds. It is men in their 30s , 40s, and so on. You are comparing apples and oranges my sweet friend.

bballp6699

05-11-2006 16:11:29

[quote98fd64aac2="mnx12"]I guess I just wasnt explaining what I was saying very well. What I meant was if you are dating a 17 year old, and you just barely turn 18, all of a sudden you are a child molestor. I think there should also be a year or two buffer before that happens.[/quote98fd64aac2]

That's not what you were saying at all. You were saying that 50 year old guys that want to fuck 12 year old boys aren't wrong, they just need help.

mnx12

05-11-2006 16:12:33

No, I was talking about two different things. I dont think that at all, thats really gross. On the first page people were talking about 17 year olds being tried as adults.

bballp6699

05-11-2006 16:13:35

Then what did you mean when you said they need major help?

mnx12

05-11-2006 16:16:53

[quote3545fb72e0="bballp6699"]Then what did you mean when you said they need major help?[/quote3545fb72e0]Cause they do.

theysayjump

05-11-2006 16:24:41

[quotec39d5b41a0="bballp6699"][quotec39d5b41a0="mnx12"]I guess I just wasnt explaining what I was saying very well. What I meant was if you are dating a 17 year old, and you just barely turn 18, all of a sudden you are a child molestor. I think there should also be a year or two buffer before that happens.[/quotec39d5b41a0]

That's not what you were saying at all. You were saying that 50 year old guys that want to fuck 12 year old boys aren't [bc39d5b41a0]wrong[/colorc39d5b41a0][/bc39d5b41a0], they just need help.[/quotec39d5b41a0]

Definition of the word "wrong" in this context would be what?

bballp6699

05-11-2006 16:27:55

Sorry, "bad people" is the wording he chose.

ilanbg

05-11-2006 16:29:52

[quotef9d760bb99="bruman"][quotef9d760bb99="TryinToGetPaid"]LOL. I am stating to think ilbabababa is one of these perverted old men....[/quotef9d760bb99]

Hah, damn straight. I can't believe ilanbg even said that[/quotef9d760bb99]

I am more interested in debate than in arguing the point I believe in.

[quotef9d760bb99="TryinToGetPaid"]Lemme guess, you stand up for cannibals too because it could be a disease?[/quotef9d760bb99]

Lemme guess, you are unable to make viable comparisons?

[quotef9d760bb99]You could make the same excuse for murderers. They aren't necessarily bad, they just need help so they know not to kill. Horse shit.[/quotef9d760bb99]

No, you couldn't make the same excuse for murderers. Murderers are generally capable of knowing what they are doing is wrong and why, or are caught up in the heat of anger, or whatever. If they truly don't understand it—and/or if they prove it in court—then they [if9d760bb99]are[/if9d760bb99] put in institutions.

No one is actually making a real point past "they are sick fucks." You are all assuming it is wrong; first, it should be stated that I think it's wrong as well. But I have actual reasons, and since I'm arguing against this show, I'll let those that are arguing for it announce those reasons. For the sake of this debate, I am looking at the situation from an uncultured and non-manipulated point of view. Fifty years ago homosexuality was called a disease; then science proved it's a predisposed condition, and then it was all right.

Now you act as if they have a choice in the manner, despite all science leading to it being a disease (despite, still, that in fifty years it may very well be discovered to be a trait since birth).

[quotef9d760bb99="OldManWrigley"]but I do believe it's different when the girl is older. 19 year old girl and a 15 year old guy wouldn't be as bad, but still bad. [/quotef9d760bb99]

That's because you're thinking from the socially-altered part of your thinking, in which you assume men have more sexual control over women.

[quotef9d760bb99]It is rape.[/quotef9d760bb99]

No, it's not.

[quotef9d760bb99]You can't tell me that you honestly thought when you were 13 years old you knew the responsibilty and risks and everything else involved with sex.[/quotef9d760bb99]

I can because that was the age I was first offered sex, and the first time I turned it down. And I did so in person, not to some faceless person online.

Instead of blaming the pedophiles for having sex with willing children, maybe you should blame the parents for failing to teach them.

[quotef9d760bb99]Not every old sick fuck who tries to bang some young vag has a "problem". It did look like a few of the guys had some mental disabilities last night, but not all of them. You don't have to be mentally deranged or have something physically or mentally wrong with you to want to bang someone that's 25-35 years younger then you. You're just a pervert.[/quotef9d760bb99]

If perversion isn't a mental or physical problem, then what is it?

bballp6699

05-11-2006 16:35:59

Let's put it this way. I've seen teachers on that show getting arrested. If you want to make the comparison to homosexuality than you could say that a homosexual person knows they are that way since birth or at a young age. In the same instance a person who fancies fucking young children knows this at a young age. If you know this, why would you get into a profession like that...? Mental or not, YOU MAKE the decision to be around something that sexually tempts you.

I really don't see how you can make a comparison to homosexuality, but I guess that helps your argument..

OldManWrigley

05-11-2006 16:41:40

OK, I'm a pervert in a sense, you should hear some of the things that come out of my mouth. There's many different "defintions" of a pervert, I was summing it up in a sense that it's just sickening.

[quote6dda9cb4a5]No, you couldn't make the same excuse for murderers. Murderers are generally capable of knowing what they are doing is wrong and why, or are caught up in the heat of anger, or whatever. If they truly don't understand it—and/or if they prove it in court—then they [i6dda9cb4a5]are[/i6dda9cb4a5] put in institutions.
[/quote6dda9cb4a5]
You're saying that these 50 year old men aren't capable of knowing what they are doing is wrong, and why it's wrong? Of course, most of them state in their chat logs about Dateline, and they don't want to fall into a trap. Why would they say that? Oh yeah, because they know it's wrong.

I wasn't offered sex until I was 16, but I was offered "other things" when I was in the 6th grade, not sure what age. I declined it for a few reasons. The girl was a slut, been to juvey, just not a good girl.

Like bball said, these ex-marines, army men, ministers, aren't so retarded that they don't know that it's wrong.....

You're right though, it's not the 50 year old man trying to [i6dda9cb4a5]Vulgar[/i6dda9cb4a5][/size6dda9cb4a5][/color6dda9cb4a5][spoiler6dda9cb4a5] shove his dick into[/spoiler6dda9cb4a5] a 13 year old girl, it's the girls parents fault. Duh roll


Edit As for the homosexuality 50 years ago, it's differnet with this case. Two males having sex may have been thought of as disgusting and as a desiease(sp?) yes, and yes, some of these men have a problem where their penis controls every part of them, and tells the person it needs some young teen. HOWEVER, not all of them are like that.

theysayjump

05-11-2006 16:42:45

[quote55e6c15d7f="bballp6699"]Let's put it this way. I've seen teachers on that show getting arrested. If you want to make the comparison to homosexuality than you could say that a homosexual person knows they are that way since birth or at a young age. In the same instance a person who fancies fucking young children knows this at a young age. If you know this, why would you get into a profession like that...? Mental or not, YOU MAKE the decision to be around something that sexually tempts you.

I really don't see how you can make a comparison to homosexuality, but I guess that helps your argument..[/quote55e6c15d7f]

He's comparing it to homosexuality based on the fact that 50 years ago, homosexuality was socially looked down upon, far moreso than it is today. In time, it was proven that it's not a disease and you can't contract it from people etc.

The same way that masturbation was thought of as a disease.

So he's saying that just because we believe what we believe at the moment, doesn't necessarily mean that;

a.) We are right,
b.) That it won't be disproven some time in the future, just as the social perception on masturbation and homosexuality were quashed.

I don't believe it's a disease, I don't believe it's a choice either.

I see it as human nature because if it wasn't, then there wouldn't be any humans who feel that way.

ilanbg

05-11-2006 16:43:00

[quote723a5cce23="bballp6699"]Let's put it this way. I've seen teachers on that show getting arrested. If you want to make the comparison to homosexuality than you could say that a homosexual person knows they are that way since birth or at a young age. In the same instance a person who fancies fucking young children knows this at a young age. If you know this, why would you get into a profession like that...? Mental or not, YOU MAKE the decision to be around something that sexually tempts you.[/quote723a5cce23]

Lots of homosexuals don't discover it until well into adult-hood. It is possible pedophiles are attracted to a teaching position before they discover their problem, and it is even likelier that they don't think it's a problem. Hence why they need psychological help.

[quote723a5cce23]I really don't see how you can make a comparison to homosexuality, but I guess that helps your argument..[/quote723a5cce23]

I compare it to homosexuality because homosexuals were treated almost the exact same way years ago, before there was sufficient evidence of what it was. Basically, when we had the same fear of homosexuals and the same lack of understanding of what they were, we treated them the same way. I am saying that we treat pedophiles this way because of our lack of understanding and the cultural/social imposition that says it's wrong.

Answer me this Hundreds of years ago, when it was common for 13 year old women/girls to marry older men, was pedophilia a rampant epidemic? Assuming traits are hereditary—which they are—did their bloodlines get cut off, making the trait less common? Or did people just learn to repress their attraction to younger people and/or find older people attractive, because they were taught and expected to?

EDIT Jump beat me to some of my points.

TryinToGetPaid

05-11-2006 16:45:33

"Lots of homosexuals don't discover it until well into adult-hood."

Fals-o.

My mom teaches 1st grade and has seen many young boys who are flaming. They are into princesses, dress in girls clothes, and want to do everything a girl does. Lemme guess? They weren't born that way?

And back then didn't younger people marry other younger people?

OldManWrigley

05-11-2006 16:46:49

IT'S THE WHOLE POINT THAT IT WILL NEVER BE ALRIGHT BECAUSE A YOUNG GIRL AT THE AGE OF 13 IS NOT DEVELOPED ENOUGH TO REALIZE WHAT SHE IS DOING IF SHE AGREES TO HAVE SEX WITH A 50 YEAR OLD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry for the caps, i don't feel like retyping it though....

read my previous post too lol

ilanbg

05-11-2006 16:47:15

[quote99556d963f="OldManWrigley"]OK, I'm a pervert in a sense, you should hear some of the things that come out of my mouth. There's many different "defintions" of a pervert, I was summing it up in a sense that it's just sickening. [/quote99556d963f]

But you don't say why.

[quote99556d963f][quote99556d963f]No, you couldn't make the same excuse for murderers. Murderers are generally capable of knowing what they are doing is wrong and why, or are caught up in the heat of anger, or whatever. If they truly don't understand it—and/or if they prove it in court—then they [i99556d963f]are[/i99556d963f] put in institutions.
[/quote99556d963f]
You're saying that these 50 year old men aren't capable of knowing what they are doing is wrong, and why it's wrong? Of course, most of them state in their chat logs about Dateline, and they don't want to fall into a trap. Why would they say that? Oh yeah, because they know it's wrong. [/quote99556d963f]

No, it's because they know that [i99556d963f]other people[/i99556d963f] think it's wrong.

[quote99556d963f]You're right though, it's not the 50 year old man trying to [i99556d963f]Vulgar[/i99556d963f][/size99556d963f][/color99556d963f][spoiler99556d963f] shove his dick into[/spoiler99556d963f] a 13 year old girl, it's the girls parents fault. Duh roll[/quote99556d963f]

Propaganda; you're using intentionally vulgar terms to make it seem worse than it is. Unless these people are forcing sex over the internet, then the girl has to have agreed to [i99556d963f]something[/i99556d963f], and if she's accepting [i99556d963f]anything[/i99556d963f] from people over the internet, her parent failed to teach her.

ilanbg

05-11-2006 16:48:52

[quote74fb576851="TryinToGetPaid"]"Lots of homosexuals don't discover it until well into adult-hood."

Fals-o.

My mom teaches 1st grade and has seen many young boys who are flaming. They are into princesses, dress in girls clothes, and want to do everything a girl does. Lemme guess? They weren't born that way?

And back then didn't younger people marry other younger people?[/quote74fb576851]

Therefore, your mother knows that those that [i74fb576851]aren't[/i74fb576851] into princesses and girls clothes are not also gay? Or that straight children can't act this way?

Or that they can act this way and realize that it isn't normal, and then stop, but not be aware that they were acting this way because they are gay? That is called repression, and some people repress their feelings so much that they themselves become homophobic.

theysayjump

05-11-2006 16:49:39

[quote54e0059ee3="OldManWrigley"]Like bball said, these ex-marines, army men, ministers, aren't so retarded that they don't know that it's wrong.....[/quote54e0059ee3]

It's only "wrong" because society has deemed it to be over time.

Some cultures believe that cannibalism is OK, but because our society deems it to be "not OK", why does that make them wrong? These are cultures who have been living this way for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

TryinToGetPaid

05-11-2006 16:49:45

Hm, so if your parents told you when you were 13 NOT to do something, you always listened? No one is saying it is ONLY the fault of the 50 year old sick fuck. The 13 year is at fault too, because they do not KNOW any better.

In Response Yeah, she has taught some "normal acting" children who have turned out to be gay later on. I never said that, but all of the ones who are acting like princesses and little girls all turn out gay and all know they are acting in a way that other little boys are NOT acting like.

In 1st grade almost all boys play with footballs, soccer balls, and dump trucks, would he not notice that he is the only little boy playing with barbie dolls and princesses?

ilanbg

05-11-2006 16:50:29

[quoted27ba09d15="TryinToGetPaid"]And back then didn't younger people marry other younger people?[/quoted27ba09d15]

Not generally, no.

[quoted27ba09d15="OldManWrigley"]IT'S THE WHOLE POINT THAT IT WILL NEVER BE ALRIGHT BECAUSE A YOUNG GIRL AT THE AGE OF 13 IS NOT DEVELOPED ENOUGH TO REALIZE WHAT SHE IS DOING IF SHE AGREES TO HAVE SEX WITH A 50 YEAR OLD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!![/quoted27ba09d15]

It has nothing to do with development; it's not like she's physically or mentally incapable of being taught that she should be aware of these things.

bballp6699

05-11-2006 16:52:12

I don't think it's a disease either. I think it's a matter of keeping your cock out of places it doesn't belong. I'm sure there are many other people that are attracted to children for whatever reasons, but don't act on it because they know it is wrong.

A 12, 13 year old kid cannot be mentally mature enough to make a decision of having sex. If they have it with someone their own age, it is wrong, in my opinion, but they are not being coerced into it in the same way as they would by a 50 year old man.

A 12, 13 year old child hundreds of years ago was put through a lot more than a child of that age in this day and age. They were forced to grow up faster and live a different life then the pampered kids of now a day.

I'm a little tipsy since it's football Sunday, so that was more of a rambling than anything else, but I think I got my point across in a round about way.

ilanbg

05-11-2006 16:52:45

[quoted29a80ae59="TryinToGetPaid"]Hm, so if your parents told you when you were 13 NOT to do something, you always listened? No one is saying it is ONLY the fault of the 50 year old sick fuck. The 13 year is at fault too, because they do not KNOW any better.[/quoted29a80ae59]

They do not KNOW any better because they were not TAUGHT to KNOW any better. KNOWLEDGE is LEARNED through TEACHING, not through AGING.

Are you catching on yet?

OldManWrigley

05-11-2006 16:53:30

I just can't believe what I'm reading. You're just defending everything by what you're saying. With your "type of debating style" you could find a way to defend murders, theifs, sexual predators, sex offenders, etc.... It's impossible to continue this arguement/debate/whatever it is because you're basically saying society says something is wrong, but people don't realize that. If you honestly belive that every fucking peice of shit prick that walks into that 13 year olds house on Dateline with full intention of having sex with the young girl [b692a292294]DOESN'T[/b692a292294] think he's doing anything wrong, then I do believe you need some physcological examination.


[quote692a292294]They do not KNOW any better because they were not TAUGHT to KNOW any better. KNOWLEDGE is LEARNED through TEACHING, not through AGING.

Are you catching on yet?[/quote692a292294]

Like I said, it's not the old mans fault, it's the parents fault.

idea
Let's make a show where we pretend to be the 50 year old guy, and try to find unsuspecting 13 year old girls who are being "corsed" into sex, and then when they agree to let us come to their house, let's arrest their parents.

ilanbg, you'd like this right? After all, it is all the parents fault, right?

ilanbg

05-11-2006 16:54:56

[quote23e7d464bf="bballp6699"]I don't think it's a disease either. I think it's a matter of keeping your cock out of places it doesn't belong. I'm sure there are many other people that are attracted to children for whatever reasons, but don't act on it because they know it is wrong. [/quote23e7d464bf]

Prove that it's wrong.

[quote23e7d464bf]A 12, 13 year old kid cannot be mentally mature enough to make a decision of having sex. If they have it with someone their own age, it is wrong, in my opinion, but they are not being coerced into it in the same way as they would by a 50 year old man.[/quote23e7d464bf]

You could say that this [i23e7d464bf]does[/i23e7d464bf] prove the first paragraph, but you don't prove how a 12-13 year old cannot be mentally mature enough to make a decision about having sex. Lots of them are. I was.

[quote23e7d464bf]A 12, 13 year old child hundreds of years ago was put through a lot more than a child of that age in this day and age. They were forced to grow up faster and live a different life then the pampered kids of now a day.[/quote23e7d464bf]

Plenty of them lived perfectly sheltered lives. Some of them were royalty, even.

theysayjump

05-11-2006 16:55:29

[quoteefb99efca4="OldManWrigley"]IT'S THE WHOLE POINT THAT IT WILL NEVER BE ALRIGHT BECAUSE A YOUNG GIRL AT THE AGE OF 13 IS NOT DEVELOPED ENOUGH TO REALIZE WHAT SHE IS DOING IF SHE AGREES TO HAVE SEX WITH A 50 YEAR OLD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry for the caps, i don't feel like retyping it though....

read my previous post too lol[/quoteefb99efca4]

So now you speak for all pubescent/pre-pubescent teens?

I have a "neice-in-law" (my wife's neice) who is 14. You'd look at her and think she's 19. Seriously.

She's far more mature than the majority of this forum, she reads, she educates herself, she works hard in school, she writes poetry and stories and is probably the most mature 14 year old I've ever met.

She knows what she's doing, what she wants to do and what she doesn't want to do, and for you to sit there and say that all 13 year old girls aren't developed enough to know what do in a sexual situation is ignorant.

Of course, your statement is probably for the most part true, but by no means lump every 13 year old girl into the same category.

TryinToGetPaid

05-11-2006 16:57:03

Hm so according to you, you can not learn through experience? It must be taught?

bballp6699

05-11-2006 16:57:27

[quotef6f0e4ddf7="theysayjump"][quotef6f0e4ddf7="OldManWrigley"]IT'S THE WHOLE POINT THAT IT WILL NEVER BE ALRIGHT BECAUSE A YOUNG GIRL AT THE AGE OF 13 IS NOT DEVELOPED ENOUGH TO REALIZE WHAT SHE IS DOING IF SHE AGREES TO HAVE SEX WITH A 50 YEAR OLD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry for the caps, i don't feel like retyping it though....

read my previous post too lol[/quotef6f0e4ddf7]

So now you speak for all pubescent/pre-pubescent teens?

I have a "neice-in-law" (my wife's neice) who is 14. You'd look at her and think she's 19. Seriously.

She's far more mature than the majority of this forum, she reads, she educates herself, she works hard in school, she writes poetry and stories and is probably the most mature 14 year old I've ever met.

She knows what she's doing, what she wants to do and what she doesn't want to do, and for you to sit there and say that all 13 year old girls aren't developed enough to know what do in a sexual situation is ignorant.

Of course, your statement is probably for the most part true, but by no means lump every 13 year old girl into the same category.[/quotef6f0e4ddf7]

...and what would you do if you walked in on a 50 year old guy on top of her in the sack. Be honest...

ilanbg

05-11-2006 16:58:58

[quote8905934409="OldManWrigley"]I just can't believe what I'm reading. You're just defending everything by what you're saying. With your "type of debating style" you could find a way to defend murders, theifs, sexual predators, sex offenders, etc.... It's impossible to continue this arguement/debate/whatever it is because you're basically saying society says something is wrong, but people don't realize that.[/quote8905934409]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that [i8905934409]our society[/i8905934409] has contradicted itself in the past. That it's done so in our parents' lifetimes, even. And because of this, it is not a reliable source of morality.

I am making inferences based on factual events. You are making inferences based on what you were taught to believe, which is only at times based on facts.

[quote8905934409] If you honestly belive that every fucking peice of shit prick that walks into that 13 year olds house on Dateline with full intention of having sex with the young girl [b8905934409]DOESN'T[/b8905934409] think he's doing anything wrong, then I do believe you need some physcological examination.[/quote8905934409]

I am not saying that he doesn't think what he's doing is wrong; I am saying that he thinks it's wrong because we think it's wrong, and since we have thought lots of things that are not right were wrong in the past, maybe we're wrong about this too.

bballp6699

05-11-2006 17:00:05

No offense ilanbg, but I don't think you can really understand this until you get out of that age range...

I'm personally more surprised that jump is defending it...

theysayjump

05-11-2006 17:00:50

[quote336d6731ee="bballp6699"][quote336d6731ee="theysayjump"][quote336d6731ee="OldManWrigley"]IT'S THE WHOLE POINT THAT IT WILL NEVER BE ALRIGHT BECAUSE A YOUNG GIRL AT THE AGE OF 13 IS NOT DEVELOPED ENOUGH TO REALIZE WHAT SHE IS DOING IF SHE AGREES TO HAVE SEX WITH A 50 YEAR OLD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry for the caps, i don't feel like retyping it though....

read my previous post too lol[/quote336d6731ee]

So now you speak for all pubescent/pre-pubescent teens?

I have a "neice-in-law" (my wife's neice) who is 14. You'd look at her and think she's 19. Seriously.

She's far more mature than the majority of this forum, she reads, she educates herself, she works hard in school, she writes poetry and stories and is probably the most mature 14 year old I've ever met.

She knows what she's doing, what she wants to do and what she doesn't want to do, and for you to sit there and say that all 13 year old girls aren't developed enough to know what do in a sexual situation is ignorant.

Of course, your statement is probably for the most part true, but by no means lump every 13 year old girl into the same category.[/quote336d6731ee]

...and what would you do if you walked in on a 50 year old guy on top of her in the sack. Be honest...[/quote336d6731ee]

You (people in general) may find this hard to believe and probably denounce my belief as me just saying what I'm saying to be consisten with my arguement, but if I walked in on her having sex with an older man (regardless of age) I'd only have a problem with it if she was being forced to do so, because that's what's wrong.

In any situation (not just pertaining to paedophilia) if someone is being forced to do something they don't want to do, then it's wrong.

ilanbg

05-11-2006 17:01:28

[quoteb378290d27="OldManWrigley"] idea
Let's make a show where we pretend to be the 50 year old guy, and try to find unsuspecting 13 year old girls who are being "corsed" into sex, and then when they agree to let us come to their house, let's arrest their parents. [/quoteb378290d27]

It's not illegal to be a poor/bad/stupid parent, generally.

[quoteb378290d27="bballp6699"]No offense ilanbg, but I don't think you can really understand this until you get out of that age range...[/quoteb378290d27]

Of course. I forgot my feeble brain is incapable of understanding such complicated issues.

[quoteb378290d27]I'm personally more surprised that jump is defending it...[/quoteb378290d27]

It must be because he has the intelligence, maturity, and life experience of a 16 year old, right?

bballp6699

05-11-2006 17:03:51

[quotec8310b966f="theysayjump"]
You (people in general) may find this hard to believe and probably denounce my belief as me just saying what I'm saying to be consisten with my arguement, but if I walked in on her having sex with an older man (regardless of age) I'd only have a problem with it if she was being forced to do so, because that's what's wrong.

In any situation (not just pertaining to paedophilia) if someone is being forced to do something they don't want to do, then it's wrong.[/quotec8310b966f]

If that's not just to support your argument, I think your morals are a little shitty...

theysayjump

05-11-2006 17:04:06

[quoteb1eea64236="TryinToGetPaid"]Hm, so if your parents told you when you were 13 NOT to do something, you always listened? No one is saying it is ONLY the fault of the 50 year old sick fuck. The 13 year is at fault too, because they do not KNOW any better.

In Response Yeah, she has taught some "normal acting" children who have turned out to be gay later on. I never said that, but all of the ones who are acting like princesses and little girls all turn out gay and all know they are acting in a way that other little boys are NOT acting like.

In 1st grade almost all boys play with footballs, soccer balls, and dump trucks, would he not notice that he is the only little boy playing with barbie dolls and princesses?[/quoteb1eea64236]

When I was a kid, I played with dolls and had a pram (I think you call them strollers here) and would walk the little doll around the park and shit with my parents. I'm not gay and have no attraction to other men, so your scientific research is flawed there I'm afraid.

OldManWrigley

05-11-2006 17:06:39

Generally, you're right, but you're placing most of the blame on the teens parent.

TSJ A 14 yearold girl like that is odd, I do suspect, but a man on a chatroom isn't look for a girl like that. He's looking for a girl who's mom is single, working two jobs, and doesn't have the time to teach her 12 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER the concequences and such of sex. You know why? She probably researves that for when her daughter is 14, because she probably knows that her daughet shouldn't run into any sexual situations at such a young age. I mean honestly ilanbg, when do you think parents should start teaching their kids about sex? 8 years old? Shit, something's not right there.

I'm going out to get food, but when I come back....Ohhhh when I come back......

TryinToGetPaid

05-11-2006 17:08:10

Yeah a doll. A My Buddy? I had one. But this kid plays with Barbies, and says "I want to be a pretty princess" and for his birthday asked for a girls dress.

I doubt you did any of that.

theysayjump

05-11-2006 17:09:46

[quote10e974391d="bballp6699"][quote10e974391d="theysayjump"]
You (people in general) may find this hard to believe and probably denounce my belief as me just saying what I'm saying to be consisten with my arguement, but if I walked in on her having sex with an older man (regardless of age) I'd only have a problem with it if she was being forced to do so, because that's what's wrong.

In any situation (not just pertaining to paedophilia) if someone is being forced to do something they don't want to do, then it's wrong.[/quote10e974391d]

If that's not just to support your argument, I think your morals are a little shitty...[/quote10e974391d]

Of course it's to support my arguement, but I also believe it too.

Morals are all based on the environment you were brought up in. I was brought up in an environment where the death penalty is very frowned upon. You may have been brought up otherwise.

I was brought up in an environment where sexual education was very important, not only by my school but my parents also, so when I was that age, I knew a lot more than what seems to be most people. Maybe because the majority of kids I grew up with were taught about sex that's shaped my view that age doesn't necessarily denote a lack of knowledge and rational thought.

ilanbg

05-11-2006 17:11:21

[quoteff4bb8f605="OldManWrigley"]Generally, you're right, but you're placing most of the blame on the teens parent.[/quoteff4bb8f605]

No, I'm only placing the teen's inability to block pedophiles on the internet on the parents.


[quoteff4bb8f605]I mean honestly ilanbg, when do you think parents should start teaching their kids about sex? 8 years old? Shit, something's not right there.[/quoteff4bb8f605]

If 8 year old children were being targeted by pedophiles, then that would be the age they should learn. At the moment, since it seems to be twelve year old children, then that should be the age, eh?

There is a reason behind my madness.

[quoteff4bb8f605="TryinToGetPaid"]Yeah a doll. A My Buddy? I had one. But this kid plays with Barbies, and says "I want to be a pretty princess" and for his birthday asked for a girls dress.

I doubt you did any of that.[/quoteff4bb8f605]

That's because you're close-minded.

theysayjump

05-11-2006 17:12:08

[quote2458e6d138="TryinToGetPaid"]Yeah a doll. A My Buddy? I had one. But this kid plays with Barbies, and says "I want to be a pretty princess" and for his birthday asked for a girls dress.

I doubt you did any of that.[/quote2458e6d138]

I never wanted to be a princess but I did have a dress. Well it was actually a nightie, but still.

Regardless, it didn't last for long and you can't judge someone on what they may be in the future, just by the way they act at this moment in time.

ilanbg

05-11-2006 17:13:23

[quote49f7ac7810="theysayjump"]I never wanted to be a princess but I did have a dress. Well it was actually a nightie, but still.[/quote49f7ac7810]

That's probably why you wear a kilt. roll

theysayjump

05-11-2006 17:17:23

[quote20c5e1fa37="ilanbg"][quote20c5e1fa37="theysayjump"]I never wanted to be a princess but I did have a dress. Well it was actually a nightie, but still.[/quote20c5e1fa37]

That's probably why you [b20c5e1fa37]wore[/b20c5e1fa37] a kilt. roll[/quote20c5e1fa37]

Fixed. wink

OldManWrigley

05-11-2006 17:17:58

[quote65ed850669="ilanbg"][quote65ed850669="OldManWrigley"]Generally, you're right, but you're placing most of the blame on the teens parent.[/quote65ed850669]

No, I'm only placing the teen's inability to block pedophiles on the internet on the parents.


[quote65ed850669]I mean honestly ilanbg, when do you think parents should start teaching their kids about sex? 8 years old? Shit, something's not right there.[/quote65ed850669]

If 8 year old children were being targeted by pedophiles, then that would be the age they should learn. At the moment, since it seems to be twelve year old children, then that should be the age, eh?

There is a reason behind my madness.

[quote65ed850669="TryinToGetPaid"]Yeah a doll. A My Buddy? I had one. But this kid plays with Barbies, and says "I want to be a pretty princess" and for his birthday asked for a girls dress.

I doubt you did any of that.[/quote65ed850669]

That's because you're close-minded.[/quote65ed850669]

For the love of ..... So we start teaching our 13 year old all about sex. Then the 50 year old men go to 12 year olds. So we lower the age. Then they go 11, then 10, then 9, then 8. So yeah, in about 10 years looks like before our kids are capable of recieting the alphabet we'll be giving them visuals on the dangers of sex at a young age. I'm, of course, not saying the parents are a little at fault. They shouldn't let their kids run wild on the web. However, these guys might appear in teen chat, kids chat, AOL member chat, whatever, which a parent may think safe for their child. These guys come out of nowhere, the girl is confused, she may have seen a video once on a 18 year old girl making out with a guy, think she'll be acting all grown up like a big girl and invite the guy over.....

Off note, when I was a youngin' my sister liked to dress me up like a girl, but when I was real young.....doesn't mean I like boys though. Although I never had like dolls (although I did and still do have some killer stuffed animals), voluntarily dressed like the opposite sex by myself, or pushed around a doll in a carriage??? ?

ilanbg

05-11-2006 17:21:10

[quoteb99c610be8="OldManWrigley"]For the love of ..... So we start teaching our 13 year old all about sex. Then the 50 year old men go to 12 year olds. So we lower the age. Then they go 11, then 10, then 9, then 8. So yeah, in about 10 years looks like before our kids are capable of recieting the alphabet we'll be giving them visuals on the dangers of sex at a young age.[/quoteb99c610be8]

Except that kids that age don't use AIM to talk to strangers.

Try applying logic to my reason, and you'll see that generally it makes a lot of sense.

theysayjump

05-11-2006 17:26:59

[quote45eba9853c="ilanbg"][quote45eba9853c="OldManWrigley"]For the love of ..... So we start teaching our 13 year old all about sex. Then the 50 year old men go to 12 year olds. So we lower the age. Then they go 11, then 10, then 9, then 8. So yeah, in about 10 years looks like before our kids are capable of recieting the alphabet we'll be giving them visuals on the dangers of sex at a young age.[/quote45eba9853c]

Except that kids that age don't use AIM to talk to strangers.

Try applying logic to my reason, and you'll see that generally it makes a lot of sense.[/quote45eba9853c]

But see he could say the same to you, but, you believe your reasoning makes sense because that's what you believe in (regardless of the amount of "logic head-on" applied to it). He (and others) believe that their reasoning makes sense because that's what they believe in.

We can't expect them to look at our logic and agree with us, just as they can't expect us to look at their logic and agree with them.

I can see where they're coming from, I just don't agree with them.

bballp6699

05-11-2006 17:29:26

I used aim when I was about 9... Just saying... shrug

bballp6699

05-11-2006 17:34:46

Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think of the repeated offenders that are caught on this show? What should be done with them? You're arguments seem to be more about whether or not it's wrong, however, it still is illegal. You might think that selling drugs is fine, but it's still illegal...

ilanbg

05-11-2006 17:37:29

[quote116cce2a82="theysayjump"][quote116cce2a82="ilanbg"][quote116cce2a82="OldManWrigley"]For the love of ..... So we start teaching our 13 year old all about sex. Then the 50 year old men go to 12 year olds. So we lower the age. Then they go 11, then 10, then 9, then 8. So yeah, in about 10 years looks like before our kids are capable of recieting the alphabet we'll be giving them visuals on the dangers of sex at a young age.[/quote116cce2a82]

Except that kids that age don't use AIM to talk to strangers.

Try applying logic to my reason, and you'll see that generally it makes a lot of sense.[/quote116cce2a82]

But see he could say the same to you, but, you believe your reasoning makes sense because that's what you believe in (regardless of the amount of "logic head-on" applied to it). He (and others) believe that their reasoning makes sense because that's what they believe in.

We can't expect them to look at our logic and agree with us, just as they can't expect us to look at their logic and agree with them.

I can see where they're coming from, I just don't agree with them.[/quote116cce2a82]

What I mean by that is that he created a situation in which my reasoning is absurd. But his situation is illogical, because children who are too young to use computers are in little danger of being targeted by someone online.

[quote116cce2a82="bballp6699"]I used aim when I was about 9... Just saying... shrug[/quote116cce2a82]

In that case, I'd say you should have learned how to be responsible about it at that age. Or your parents should have used the parental functions to only accept IMs from people on your buddy list, and make sure they know who is on your buddy list.

[quote116cce2a82="bballp6699"]Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think of the repeated offenders that are caught on this show? What should be done with them? You're arguments seem to be more about whether or not it's wrong, however, it still is illegal. You might think that selling drugs is fine, but it's still illegal...[/quote116cce2a82]

My original point way back on page 1 is that these people should be encouraged to seek psychological help on their own, and have those that don't be institutionalized. Because quite obviously this show and jail-time are not helping matters.

OldManWrigley

05-11-2006 17:55:51

So in this day in age........

When you start using the internet to communicate with others is the age you need to learn about sex? I'm looking for a yes or no from TSJ or ilanbg.

amir89630

05-11-2006 18:02:03

think about it this way,

if it were like a 13-15 year old boy, totally gettin some tang from like a really hot 35-40 year old woman. We would be like dayumn son, gimme a high five. So now we see that sexism too is also a factor.


Its kinda like in that south park episode w/ ike and his teacher.

ilanbg

05-11-2006 18:12:39

[quotef476a8b024="OldManWrigley"]So in this day in age........

When you start using the internet to communicate with others is the age you need to learn about sex? I'm looking for a yes or no from TSJ or ilanbg.[/quotef476a8b024]

Assuming the people you communicate with are people you don't know personally (and/or your parents are not monitoring who you are speaking to), yes.

[quotef476a8b024="amir89630"]think about it this way,

if it were like a 13-15 year old boy, totally gettin some tang from like a really hot 35-40 year old woman. We would be like dayumn son, gimme a high five. So now we see that sexism too is also a factor.[/quotef476a8b024]

Not in terms of that person still going to jail. Debra Lafave is an example.

amir89630

05-11-2006 18:52:36

[quotec6ab037ce9="ilanbg"][quotec6ab037ce9="OldManWrigley"]So in this day in age........

When you start using the internet to communicate with others is the age you need to learn about sex? I'm looking for a yes or no from TSJ or ilanbg.[/quotec6ab037ce9]

Assuming the people you communicate with are people you don't know personally (and/or your parents are not monitoring who you are speaking to), yes.

[quotec6ab037ce9="amir89630"]think about it this way,

if it were like a 13-15 year old boy, totally gettin some tang from like a really hot 35-40 year old woman. We would be like dayumn son, gimme a high five. So now we see that sexism too is also a factor.[/quotec6ab037ce9]

Not in terms of that person still going to jail. Debra Lafave is an example.[/quotec6ab037ce9]


ya, but people generally don't care about it as much as, lets say some man on boy pedofilia goin onz. Plus Debra Lafave is like a 4 or a 5. Im talkin 7s bro.

ilanbg

05-11-2006 19:19:26

If you're talking 7s, then you're being as sexist and objectifying as the "people that generally don't care as much."

In either case, you're right. Part of the reason for that might be that women are surrounded by sex so much that their sexual desires are less likely to build up to pedophilia. Plus, society considers it more acceptable for women to be attracted to older men, so they're already molded in the opposite direction.

OldManWrigley

05-11-2006 20:12:10

I don't think that a teenage kid under 17 having sex with an older women would be aplouded(sp?) by society. I mean his peers might give him high fives, but other then that, I don't see many people giving him a high five, I just see most people wanted to cut off the older womens boobies.

On a side note........

Brittany Spears sister is so hott......Shit.

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amir89630

05-11-2006 20:32:06

how old is she again?


i know i would applaud that kid.

theysayjump

05-11-2006 20:32:07

[quote3577f01868="OldManWrigley"]So in this day in age........

When you start using the internet to communicate with others is the age you need to learn about sex? I'm looking for a yes or no from TSJ or ilanbg.[/quote3577f01868]

I think kids should be sexually educated as soon as they're able to understand it, which of course, is different for everyone.

Dave82

06-11-2006 00:22:18

[quote435ba30ee0="ilanbg"][quote435ba30ee0="mnx12"][quote435ba30ee0="ilanbg"]Does jail cure these problems? I think not.

Perhaps the media should be encouraging people to find a psychologist instead of humiliating them over a problem they can't control (at best, repress).

If this show existed fifty years ago it would be bustin' in on homosexuals. Look at it in perspective.[/quote435ba30ee0]Yeah, but at least its raising awareness.[/quote435ba30ee0]How, exactly?[/quote435ba30ee0]I hope that show raises awareness to people who dont think they should monitor their kid's online usage because they have merely blocked chat or have not talked to their kids about strangers yet. I'm sure some parents are naieve to the whole chat thing. And do you think that every single AOL user really understands the internet and ways around blocks.


[quote435ba30ee0="ilanbg"]My original point way back on page 1 is that these people should be encouraged to seek psychological help on their own, and have those that don't be institutionalized. Because quite obviously this show and [b435ba30ee0]jail-time are not helping matters.[/b435ba30ee0][/quote435ba30ee0]I think it's a great idea. Hopefully it makes people think twice before they act on their "disease." The whole concept is to remove these men/women from society because they are committing crimes.
Jail is where they belong. They commited a crime. Get them mental help while they are in jail, but they still belong in jail! The thought of spending [i435ba30ee0]10 years in jail being raped in the ass by Bruno and his gang[/i435ba30ee0] is more of a deterant than spending it in padded walls, cotton sheets, television, and three square meals a day in an institution. [b435ba30ee0]If pedophiles knew that they would be going to an institution rather than jail, DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY MORE WOULD ACT ON THEIR "DISEASE" ?!?![/b435ba30ee0] Laws and punishments are there for a reason.


[quote435ba30ee0="ilanbg"]Aye; my point is that fifty years ago homosexuality was considered as bad as pedophilia is considered now. In 1950 homosexuality was declared a disease, just like pedophilia is now considered a disease. In fifty years, for all we know we'll have pedophilia-pride parades. shrug [/quote435ba30ee0]You are comparing apples to oranges. That is like saying that 200 years from now pro-rape marches will exisit. Homosexuality is not a crime, nor was it 50 years ago. 100 years ago marrying a 12 year old was not a crime. Statutory rape IS a crime. You are trying to say that an activity between two people that once disgusted people in the past, will eventually accepted. But how can you say that something[u435ba30ee0] illegal [/u435ba30ee0]between two people in the past will be accepted? The only acception would be if the law were removed, then only could i forsee parades of acceptance.


[quote435ba30ee0="bballp6699"][quote435ba30ee0="mnx12"]I agree with ilanbag, they arent necessarily bad people, they just need some major help. I know im going to sound like a douche, but I think you should be legal to have sex as soon as you have the ability to reproduce.[/quote435ba30ee0]Yeah, you sound like a douche. Personally, I'd like to chop the nuts off of every one of them.

You could make the same excuse for murderers. They aren't necessarily bad, they just need help so they know not to kill. Horse shit.[/quote435ba30ee0]"They have a disease" is the biggest load of crap. It is legal to have feelings (as sick as they may be), it is NOT legal to act on them.

[i435ba30ee0]I have a disease guys!!!! I have urges to stab 12 year old people!!!!!!! I cant control it!!!!!!!!! But i get permission from the 12 year old first!!!!!!! What is so wrong about stabbing people if they consent to it??????? Their parents should have taught them that being stabbed and loosing life is bad. Shame parents!!! I have a disease!!!!! It should be okay to stab a 12 year old if they are mature enough to make that decision. And please guys, dont humiliate my DISEASE!!!!![/i435ba30ee0]


[quote435ba30ee0]I can see the point that ilanbg is trying to make, but I think some of you are mixing up paedophilia with rape.

These guys didn't coerce anyone. As far as they knew, they would be engaging in consensual sex or sexual activities in the girls' house. It's kind of difficult to coerce someone on teh intrawebs, at least by my definition of the word.[/quote435ba30ee0]There is a reason we have a concept of Statutory Rape even though the act may be consentual. A 50 year old should not be trying to nail a 12 year old. It is wrong because the person may not be mature at that age.
The parents AND kid are not innocent, however they did not commit a crime.


[quote435ba30ee0]Fifty years ago homosexuality was called a disease; then science proved it's a predisposed condition, and then it was all right.

Now you act as if they have a choice in the manner, despite all science leading to it being a disease (despite, still, that in fifty years it may very well be discovered to be a trait since birth). [/quote435ba30ee0]homosexualtiy was never illegal though. And again... you may not have a choice in your sick tendencies, but you are responsible for acting upon them.


[quote435ba30ee0]Answer me this Hundreds of years ago, when it was common for 13 year old women/girls to marry older men, was pedophilia a rampant epidemic? [/quote435ba30ee0]100s of years ago they were not aware of the psychological damage of cause a 13 year old to marry a 50 year. Now we know and it is not allowed.


[quote435ba30ee0]It has nothing to do with development; it's not like she's physically or mentally incapable of being taught that she should be aware of these things. [/quote435ba30ee0][quote435ba30ee0]If 8 year old children were being targeted by pedophiles, then that would be the age they should learn. At the moment, since it seems to be twelve year old children, then that should be the age, eh? [/quote435ba30ee0][quote435ba30ee0]It has nothing to do with development; it's not like she's physically or mentally incapable of being taught that she should be aware of these things. [/quote435ba30ee0][quote435ba30ee0]For the love of ..... So we start teaching our 13 year old all about sex. Then the 50 year old men go to 12 year olds. So we lower the age. [/quote435ba30ee0]Pedophiles are targeting kids who dont know better. If you teach 10 years olds, they will target 8 year olds etc.
Also, children dont learn right away. They dont always grasp concepts immediately. You dont tell your kids not to talk to strangers once and then it is done and over with. You reiderate concepts. It may take an 8 year time to grasp the concept of inappropriate touching. Parents can teach their children, but doesnt just hit like magic. A child may learn to communicate faster than they can grasp the concept of people talking to them and gaining their trust only to do bad things.
But yes, parents should supervise and block, use "parental functions to only accept IMs from people on your buddy list, and make sure they know who is on your buddy list."


[quote435ba30ee0]I have a "neice-in-law" (my wife's neice) who is 14.

She's far more mature than the majority of this forum, she reads, she educates herself, she works hard in school, she writes poetry and stories and is probably the most mature 14 year old I've ever met. [/quote435ba30ee0]Do you honestly think these men are attracted to a particular girl because of her mind. These pedophiles busted are purposely seeking out young girls to have sex with, they are not going to meet someone on the internet that they are in love with.
And Just because someone is mature does not mean they are ready for sex. even if they think they are.
[u435ba30ee0]The reason we have laws is because our kids are not made from molds and they all are not mature beyond their years. The law is there for protection of the children, because not all are capable of making a sound decision at that age. You cant say that the law is [i435ba30ee0]no sex with minors, unless the minor is mature (and by mature we mean writes poetry and stories)[/i435ba30ee0]. The law tries to encompass the norm. They set the standard to 18 years of age (varies state to state yadda).[/u435ba30ee0]



Some argue that if a child is mature at age 11, there is nothing wrong with the guy who wants to have consentual sex with the mature 11 year old. I just dont get that. Maybe it is my view from society.
Do they think it is wrong for a man and a sheep to have consentual sex.... even if the sheep is mature? [b435ba30ee0] Some things are just "wrong."[/b435ba30ee0]

Devil's advocate i hear you, but no amount of arguing will convince me that it is okay for a 50 year old to sleep with a 12 year old.

ilanbg

06-11-2006 10:34:53

[quotedd1bccf948="Dave82"][quotedd1bccf948="ilanbg"][quotedd1bccf948="mnx12"][quotedd1bccf948="ilanbg"]Does jail cure these problems? I think not.

Perhaps the media should be encouraging people to find a psychologist instead of humiliating them over a problem they can't control (at best, repress).

If this show existed fifty years ago it would be bustin' in on homosexuals. Look at it in perspective.[/quotedd1bccf948]Yeah, but at least its raising awareness.[/quotedd1bccf948]How, exactly?[/quotedd1bccf948]I hope that show raises awareness to people who dont think they should monitor their kid's online usage because they have merely blocked chat or have not talked to their kids about strangers yet. I'm sure some parents are naieve to the whole chat thing. And do you think that every single AOL user really understands the internet and ways around blocks.[/quotedd1bccf948]

Well, I agree with you there, although I imagine there are more effective ways of teaching parents. Dateline isn't exactly a PSA.

[quotedd1bccf948][bdd1bccf948]If pedophiles knew that they would be going to an institution rather than jail, DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY MORE WOULD ACT ON THEIR "DISEASE" ?!?![/bdd1bccf948] [/quotedd1bccf948]

No, I don't, and neither do you. There have been lots of arguments that crooks do not think about the consequences until after the act, and the fact that people spend life in prison after three strikes is a good example.


[quotedd1bccf948][quotedd1bccf948="ilanbg"]Aye; my point is that fifty years ago homosexuality was considered as bad as pedophilia is considered now. In 1950 homosexuality was declared a disease, just like pedophilia is now considered a disease. In fifty years, for all we know we'll have pedophilia-pride parades. shrug [/quotedd1bccf948]You are comparing apples to oranges. That is like saying that 200 years from now pro-rape marches will exisit. Homosexuality is not a crime, nor was it 50 years ago. 100 years ago marrying a 12 year old was not a crime. Statutory rape IS a crime. You are trying to say that an activity between two people that once disgusted people in the past, will eventually accepted. But how can you say that something[udd1bccf948] illegal [/udd1bccf948]between two people in the past will be accepted? The only acception would be if the law were removed, then only could i forsee parades of acceptance. [/quotedd1bccf948]

And the laws may very well change. Continuing with my homosexuality comparison, laws are changing [idd1bccf948]right now[/idd1bccf948] over whether or not it should be legal for them to get married.

Laws change to fit the system, the system doesn't change to fit the laws.

[quotedd1bccf948][idd1bccf948]I have a disease guys!!!! I have urges to stab 12 year old people!!!!!!! I cant control it!!!!!!!!! But i get permission from the 12 year old first!!!!!!! What is so wrong about stabbing people if they consent to it??????? Their parents should have taught them that being stabbed and loosing life is bad. Shame parents!!! I have a disease!!!!! It should be okay to stab a 12 year old if they are mature enough to make that decision. And please guys, dont humiliate my DISEASE!!!!![/idd1bccf948][/quotedd1bccf948]

People who have urges to kill should be encouraged to institutionalize themselves. Not be tricked into acting on those urges in order to be arrested.

Assisted suicide is a current issue as well.

So maybe try making comparisons that make sense, eh?
[quotedd1bccf948]Pedophiles are targeting kids who dont know better. If you teach 10 years olds, they will target 8 year olds etc. [/quotedd1bccf948]

Pedophiles target kids who don't know better that are [idd1bccf948]online[/idd1bccf948]. If we make sure parents teach their children about this before teaching them how to use the internet, or restricting who they can talk to, pedophiles will not have access to children, barring elementary teachers and kidnappers.

[quotedd1bccf948]Do they think it is wrong for a man and a sheep to have consentual sex.... even if the sheep is mature? [bdd1bccf948] Some things are just "wrong."[/bdd1bccf948][/quotedd1bccf948]

Psychologists have recently discussed whether or not bestiality is a pathology or a sexual orientation. This is another example of society's mold on your thinking; if there eventually exists scientific evidence that a man is attracted to animals in the same way a man can be attracted to another man, you're just discriminating based on your own conceptions. Nothing is "just wrong," or "just right"; there is a reason behind these things. My point is that you should try to look past society's expectations, if you want to reform it.

amir89630

06-11-2006 12:25:02

these are some very FGR-esque responses.

ronmm

06-11-2006 13:16:58

[quote256942b0dc="ilanbg"]All your gibberish bullshit[/quote256942b0dc]

I'm not going to bother going over all the comments but regardless of any of it. It illegal and immoral, all your post are bullshit and stupid thinking like this is what leads us to allow guys to get married.

Serious if you want to compare the homo aspect. It is a sickness, regardless if we accept it now its a sickness. Most guys hate the fact they think that way when they figure it out. Guy on guy wasn't meant to be, that is obvious. Anus's were meant as an exit point, just because they use it for other purposes doesn't mean guys were meant to be with guys.

I don't belive in God or any of that commercialized religion but there is nothing that fits guy to guy. Makes no sense but we have stupid debates like this so people are like ohhhh we better let them be themselves.

Then comes them being able to adopt and raise kids. Are those kids going to have a choice in being normal? Very unlikely, they are going to be raised in a gay household so what's the chances of them not being gay? Most people are products of their environment. Being raised by some trailer trash normally leads to you being trailer trash yourself. Raised by country or rednecks you normally grow up and drive trucks and wear cowboy hats. True not everyone does but more times then not your will.

So your right let's not fix the problem cause they deserve help. If a calf is born lame you kill it for obvious reasons. Idiot thinking is corrupting our society and people like you just keep making it worse.

Who cares why they do it, the point is they do it. Stop them and you stop the problem or people like you will try and convince people it might be ok for them to do it.

If someone like you came around my house talking dumb shit like that you wouldn't make it very long. Yeah I know blah blah internet threat but not meaning it that way.

You might not have a kid but I do. If someone even entertained the fact that it was alright for some sick fuck to bring a kid over to my house to have sex with him or do so himself. Good luck on walking out on your own, even with just a stupid debate like this one.

Kids get molested and then they become molesters. Your right don't stop the chain let it keep building.

Alot of gays were taught that at a young age from being molested by older guys, not all of them were born that way. Way to debate for them, good job there moron.

Anyways to recap, your way of thinking is one of the leading causes in the deterioration of society. Regardless if things are now acceptable, it doesn't mean they should be.

Millions of kids dissappear to these sick guys.

I have thoughts that are know are right to have(no not sexual kiddie stuff lol). I have walked passed things and thought hmm I can grab that. Walked passed females and thought damn I'd like to tear that up but I don't just go and take what I want. Do I act on them? No it's called self control and everyone has it. Tempation is harder for some to control but it's part of life. If you can't control it then you have a problem. Quit being a sissy ass society and making excuses for sick problems like this.

Who cares if the freaking queen of England had sex at 12. That should show you it's a problem anyways. Learn from the mistakes of the past. We left them because of their arrogant ways and that's was one of them. We didn't become a super power of the world by following the idiotic ideals of others. We would still be ruled by some moronic king married to some relative of some sort that is chosen when they are born.

ronmm

06-11-2006 13:31:12

[quote97f6f91a9d="ilanbg"][quote97f6f91a9d="Dave82"][quote97f6f91a9d="ilanbg"][quote97f6f91a9d="mnx12"][quote97f6f91a9d="ilanbg"]Does jail cure these problems? I think not.

Perhaps the media should be encouraging people to find a psychologist instead of humiliating them over a problem they can't control (at best, repress).

If this show existed fifty years ago it would be bustin' in on homosexuals. Look at it in perspective.[/quote97f6f91a9d]Yeah, but at least its raising awareness.[/quote97f6f91a9d]How, exactly?[/quote97f6f91a9d]I hope that show raises awareness to people who dont think they should monitor their kid's online usage because they have merely blocked chat or have not talked to their kids about strangers yet. I'm sure some parents are naieve to the whole chat thing. And do you think that every single AOL user really understands the internet and ways around blocks.[/quote97f6f91a9d]

Well, I agree with you there, although I imagine there are more effective ways of teaching parents. Dateline isn't exactly a PSA.

[quote97f6f91a9d][b97f6f91a9d]If pedophiles knew that they would be going to an institution rather than jail, DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY MORE WOULD ACT ON THEIR "DISEASE" ?!?![/b97f6f91a9d] [/quote97f6f91a9d]

No, I don't, and neither do you. There have been lots of arguments that crooks do not think about the consequences until after the act, and the fact that people spend life in prison after three strikes is a good example.


[quote97f6f91a9d][quote97f6f91a9d="ilanbg"]Aye; my point is that fifty years ago homosexuality was considered as bad as pedophilia is considered now. In 1950 homosexuality was declared a disease, just like pedophilia is now considered a disease. In fifty years, for all we know we'll have pedophilia-pride parades. shrug [/quote97f6f91a9d]You are comparing apples to oranges. That is like saying that 200 years from now pro-rape marches will exisit. Homosexuality is not a crime, nor was it 50 years ago. 100 years ago marrying a 12 year old was not a crime. Statutory rape IS a crime. You are trying to say that an activity between two people that once disgusted people in the past, will eventually accepted. But how can you say that something[u97f6f91a9d] illegal [/u97f6f91a9d]between two people in the past will be accepted? The only acception would be if the law were removed, then only could i forsee parades of acceptance. [/quote97f6f91a9d]

And the laws may very well change. Continuing with my homosexuality comparison, laws are changing [i97f6f91a9d]right now[/i97f6f91a9d] over whether or not it should be legal for them to get married.

Laws change to fit the system, the system doesn't change to fit the laws.

Only because of lame thinking like this. You guys cause the laws to change. Ahhh, have pitty on them, they can't help themselves. Bahhh, cut off their balls, they will think twice before touching any kid again. We have gotten way to lax in society, giving everyone so many rights. Keeping serial killers on death row for 30 years while they try and get out of it. Waste of money, just kill him like he did his victims. But no, we have people that think like this and ohhh no it might not be their fault. WHO CARES!

[quote97f6f91a9d][i97f6f91a9d]I have a disease guys!!!! I have urges to stab 12 year old people!!!!!!! I cant control it!!!!!!!!! But i get permission from the 12 year old first!!!!!!! What is so wrong about stabbing people if they consent to it??????? Their parents should have taught them that being stabbed and loosing life is bad. Shame parents!!! I have a disease!!!!! It should be okay to stab a 12 year old if they are mature enough to make that decision. And please guys, dont humiliate my DISEASE!!!!![/i97f6f91a9d][/quote97f6f91a9d]

People who have urges to kill should be encouraged to institutionalize themselves. Not be tricked into acting on those urges in order to be arrested.

Assisted suicide is a current issue as well.

So maybe try making comparisons that make sense, eh?
[quote97f6f91a9d]Pedophiles are targeting kids who dont know better. If you teach 10 years olds, they will target 8 year olds etc. [/quote97f6f91a9d]

Pedophiles target kids who don't know better that are [i97f6f91a9d]online[/i97f6f91a9d]. If we make sure parents teach their children about this before teaching them how to use the internet, or restricting who they can talk to, pedophiles will not have access to children, barring elementary teachers and kidnappers.

You could also say the parents of the pedophiles are to blame then. Just because their parents didn't teach them any better doesn't put the blame on other parents. Stop things from occuring, stop society from decaying and you wouldn't need any of this.

If you raise cattle and get rid of the lame ones you have a very strong herd in the end. Don't pamer the lame.

[quote97f6f91a9d]Do they think it is wrong for a man and a sheep to have consentual sex.... even if the sheep is mature? [b97f6f91a9d] Some things are just "wrong."[/b97f6f91a9d][/quote97f6f91a9d]

Psychologists have recently discussed whether or not bestiality is a pathology or a sexual orientation. This is another example of society's mold on your thinking; if there eventually exists scientific evidence that a man is attracted to animals in the same way a man can be attracted to another man, you're just discriminating based on your own conceptions. Nothing is "just wrong," or "just right"; there is a reason behind these things. My point is that you should try to look past society's expectations, if you want to reform it.[/quote97f6f91a9d]

Who wants to reform that? It has nothing to do with society's thinking, you keep playing that like some black people play the race card. Having sex with animals is a problem no matter how any one views it. Can we reporduce with an animal? No!!!!, so there is no purpose at all with having sex with it. True we don't only have sex to reproduce but if we were suppose to have sex with an animal for any reason there would be some sort of outcome or reason. Just because someone goes and has sex with with a bowl of Jello doesn't mean they are normal.

Thank god you are just some fool posting on a forum. Hopefully when you grow up you get some lame job with no influence, especially influence on our youth.

ilanbg

06-11-2006 13:33:43

[quote753b89de40="ronmm"]I'm not going to bother going over all the comments but regardless of any of it. It illegal and immoral, all your post are bullshit and stupid thinking like this is what leads us to allow guys to get married. [/quote753b89de40]

From this point on, I knew your post was going to be stupid.

[quote753b89de40]Serious if you want to compare the homo aspect. It is a sickness, regardless if we accept it now its a sickness. Most guys hate the fact they think that way when they figure it out. Guy on guy wasn't meant to be, that is obvious. Anus's were meant as an exit point, just because they use it for other purposes doesn't mean guys were meant to be with guys. [/quote753b89de40]

Homosexuality develops during the zygote phase, in which the physical body differentiates into one sex, and the hormones differentiate into the other.

You can argue against science all you want, but it makes you look like an idiot.

In truth, it's probably a defect or mutation, but that's also why we aren't monkeys anymore. (Assuming you believe in darwinism.)

[quote753b89de40]Then comes them being able to adopt and raise kids. Are those kids going to have a choice in being normal? Very unlikely, they are going to be raised in a gay household so what's the chances of them not being gay? Most people are products of their environment. Being raised by some trailer trash normally leads to you being trailer trash yourself. Raised by country or rednecks you normally grow up and drive trucks and wear cowboy hats. True not everyone does but more times then not your will. [/quote753b89de40]

Again, you are wrong.[=http//www.progressiveu.org/015306-do-gay-parents-brainwash-their-children-to-become-gay]you are wrong.

[quote753b89de40]So your right let's not fix the problem cause they deserve help. If a calf is born lame you kill it for obvious reasons. Idiot thinking is corrupting our society and people like you just keep making it worse. [/quote753b89de40]

A lame calf will not serve any function. A gay person can and has contributed to society.

[quote753b89de40]Kids get molested and then they become molesters. Your right don't stop the chain let it keep building. [/quote753b89de40]

Sigh... please try reading my arguments before you try disagreeing with them. I did not say pedophiles are acceptable in our society.

[quote753b89de40]Millions of kids dissappear to these sick guys. [/quote753b89de40]

Wrong again.[=http//www.nospank.net/bogorad.htm]Wrong again.


In short, you make a few valid points, but you make up a lot of crap also, and your passion prevents you from actually reading what I'm saying. I am not advocating pedophilia.

ilanbg

06-11-2006 13:37:53

[quote6cb6216e04="ronmm"]Who wants to reform that? It has nothing to do with society's thinking, you keep playing that like some black people play the race card. Having sex with animals is a problem no matter how any one views it. Can we reporduce with an animal? No!!!!, so there is no purpose at all with having sex with it. True we don't only have sex to reproduce but if we were suppose to have sex with an animal for any reason there would be some sort of outcome or reason. Just because someone goes and has sex with with a bowl of Jello doesn't mean they are normal.[/quote6cb6216e04]

So you're against having protected sex? It obviously doesn't serve any purpose, if it's not for reproducing.

[quote6cb6216e04]Thank god you are just some fool posting on a forum. Hopefully when you grow up you get some lame job with no influence, especially influence on our youth.[/quote6cb6216e04]

) lol

ronmm

06-11-2006 13:40:19

[quoted9cdb7825b="ilanbg"][quoted9cdb7825b="ronmm"]I'm not going to bother going over all the comments but regardless of any of it. It illegal and immoral, all your post are bullshit and stupid thinking like this is what leads us to allow guys to get married. [/quoted9cdb7825b]

From this point on, I knew your post was going to be stupid.

[quoted9cdb7825b]Serious if you want to compare the homo aspect. It is a sickness, regardless if we accept it now its a sickness. Most guys hate the fact they think that way when they figure it out. Guy on guy wasn't meant to be, that is obvious. Anus's were meant as an exit point, just because they use it for other purposes doesn't mean guys were meant to be with guys. [/quoted9cdb7825b]

Homosexuality develops during the zygote phase, in which the physical body differentiates into one sex, and the hormones differentiate into the other.

You can argue against science all you want, but it makes you look like an idiot.

In truth, it's probably a defect or mutation, but that's also why we aren't monkeys anymore. (Assuming you believe in darwinism.)

That is your way of thinking again, you have no proof of this besides what someone has published. If you take a boy at an early age and and have sex with him all the time do you not think he will see this as normal. Of course he would, just stupid to think otherwise.


[quoted9cdb7825b]Then comes them being able to adopt and raise kids. Are those kids going to have a choice in being normal? Very unlikely, they are going to be raised in a gay household so what's the chances of them not being gay? Most people are products of their environment. Being raised by some trailer trash normally leads to you being trailer trash yourself. Raised by country or rednecks you normally grow up and drive trucks and wear cowboy hats. True not everyone does but more times then not your will. [/quoted9cdb7825b]

Again, you are wrong.[=http//www.progressiveu.org/015306-do-gay-parents-brainwash-their-children-to-become-gay]you are wrong.


I don't care what that ways. People are products of their environments most of the time. If your raised by rednecks there is a very high chance of you being a redneck. Just stupid and obvouis. Never said they would brainwash them, they would see it as being normaly and natural which it isn't

[quoted9cdb7825b]So your right let's not fix the problem cause they deserve help. If a calf is born lame you kill it for obvious reasons. Idiot thinking is corrupting our society and people like you just keep making it worse. [/quoted9cdb7825b]

A lame calf will not serve any function. A gay person can and has contributed to society.

Says you, depends on how you think of it. The lame calf could be pampered and healed like you seems to think theese sick molestors can be.

[quoted9cdb7825b]Kids get molested and then they become molesters. Your right don't stop the chain let it keep building. [/quoted9cdb7825b]

Sigh... please try reading my arguments before you try disagreeing with them. I did not say pedophiles are acceptable in our society.

[quoted9cdb7825b]Millions of kids dissappear to these sick guys. [/quoted9cdb7825b]

Wrong again.[=http//www.nospank.net/bogorad.htm]Wrong again.

Yeah but your weay of thinking leads things to becoming acceptable.

In short, you make a few valid points, but you make up a lot of crap also, and your passion prevents you from actually reading what I'm saying. I am not advocating pedophilia.[/quoted9cdb7825b]

You make no valid points. I don't care what you advocate, why would you even care to debate their actions?

ronmm

06-11-2006 13:43:18

[quoteaddcb12c13="ronmm"]Who wants to reform that? It has nothing to do with society's thinking, you keep playing that like some black people play the race card. Having sex with animals is a problem no matter how any one views it. Can we reporduce with an animal? No!!!!, so there is no purpose at all with having sex with it. True we don't only have sex to reproduce but if we were suppose to have sex with an animal for any reason there would be some sort of outcome or reason. Just because someone goes and has sex with with a bowl of Jello doesn't mean they are normal.[/quoteaddcb12c13]

So you're against having protected sex? It obviously doesn't serve any purpose, if it's not for reproducing.

I didn't say that. Read it again, I said there is an outcome if we choose there to be. Me having sex with an animal has no legitimate purpose besides me following an urge. Same with me sticking it in some guys booty, there is no purpose in that besides urges.

I can control my urges.

ilanbg

06-11-2006 13:43:50

[quoteadef8c57ef="ronmm"]You make no valid points. I don't care what you advocate, why would you even care to debate their actions?[/quoteadef8c57ef]

Because I learn best through debate. For me, it has nothing to do with pedophilia. I've never even seen Dateline or whatever the show is called.

But I was the only one in this entire debate to actually back up my arguments with outside links and sources and facts, so I don't know how you're going on about no valid points.

ronmm

06-11-2006 13:46:23

[quoteac631eaf45="ilanbg"][quoteac631eaf45="ronmm"]You make no valid points. I don't care what you advocate, why would you even care to debate their actions?[/quoteac631eaf45]

Because I learn best through debate. For me, it has nothing to do with pedophilia. I've never even seen Dateline or whatever the show is called.

But I was the only one in this entire debate to actually back up my arguments with outside links and sources and facts, so I don't know how you're going on about no valid points.[/quoteac631eaf45]

All your links don't mean much. I bet you I could find links that say having sex with animals and kids is Gods will. This is the internet googling an article to back what you say doesn't mean much.

Also wtf, you got into a debate just to debate. That's my point, why???? I never thought you were trying to say it was ok but the point it your debating the other side of a real problem just for the sake of debating. LOL, that's a huge problem in our society, "let's debate the other side just for the sake of it." NO let's not, let's fix the problems instead of making excuses.

I have a kid and if some idiot came over my house "just debating" an issue like that they would not be walking back to their car in the same condition they came in. You just as bad as the problem itself.

ilanbg

06-11-2006 13:51:38

[quotec47278bcc7="ronmm"]I didn't say that. Read it again, I said there is an outcome if we choose there to be. Me having sex with an animal has no legitimate purpose besides me following an urge. Same with me sticking it in some guys booty, there is no purpose in that besides urges.

I can control my urges.[/quotec47278bcc7]

There is no point to having sex with your wife besides following your physical and emotional urges. Most of what we do is based on urges.

[quotec47278bcc7="ronmm"]All your links don't mean much. I bet you I could find links that say having sex with animals and kids is Gods will. This is the internet googling an article to back what you say doesn't mean much.[/quotec47278bcc7]

I never used any links that said anything about God; they were all scientific sources. My links are reputable, and your hypothetical "God's will" link is not.

[quotec47278bcc7="ronmm"]Also wtf, you got into a debate just to debate. That's my point, why????[/quotec47278bcc7]

Because I can see things from two sides. It also develops the skill of rhetoric.

I'm going into politics, mate, and I'll be able to counter anything anyone throws at me. You would just resort to "If you were at my house, I would kick your ass."

[quotec47278bcc7] I never thought you were trying to say it was ok but the point it your debating the other side of a real problem just for the sake of debating. LOL, that's a huge problem in our society, "let's debate the other side just for the sake of it." NO let's no, let's fix the problems instead of making excuses.[/quotec47278bcc7]

You can be sure I would not be debating in favor of pedophilia anywhere important. This is an internet forum; it's practice for the real world, as far as I'm concerned.

[quotec47278bcc7]I have a kid and if some idiot came over my house "just debating" an issue like that they would not be walking back to their car in the same condition they came in. [/quotec47278bcc7]

I know. You're a real tough guy, I can tell.

[quotec47278bcc7]You just as bad as the problem itself.[/quotec47278bcc7]

Let's see... you resorted to physical threats, you just compared me to a pedophile in the quote above, and you think that gay parents will produce gay children. I made hypothetical arguments as a way to of learning, and I remained levelheaded and passionless throughout. If I had any respect for you whatsoever, I might be offended by that, but for the reasons listed in this stanza, I don't. Sorry, mate.

ronmm

06-11-2006 13:54:47

[quote020a42d5df="ilanbg"]
There is no point to having sex with your wife besides following your physical and emotional urges. Most of what we do is based on urges.[/quote020a42d5df]

Umm sure there is reasons, just because we have sex for enjoyment it obvouisly wasn't meant for that reason. If it was just for urges babies woulnd't appear 9 months later.

[quote020a42d5df="ilanbg"]
I never used any links that said anything about God; they were all scientific sources. My links are reputable, and your hypothetical "God's will" link is not.[/quote020a42d5df]

Any info found dealing with issues like these are opinions. There is no way to 100% back up an opinion about things like this. God was just a word, I was just saying this is the internent, I can find some site that says its cool to do.

ilanbg

06-11-2006 14:00:39

[quote1b30ecc286="ronmm"]Any info found dealing with issues like these are opinions. There is no way to 100% back up an opinion about things like this. God was just a word, I was just saying this is the internent, I can find some site that says its cool to do.[/quote1b30ecc286]

Statistics such as how often children are abducted by pedophiles, the source of homosexuality, and historical events are not opinions.

ronmm

06-11-2006 14:11:05

[quote50fde718ce="ilanbg"]

Because I can see things from two sides. It also develops the skill of rhetoric.

I'm going into politics, mate, and I'll be able to counter anything anyone throws at me. You would just resort to "If you were at my house, I would kick your ass."[/quote50fde718ce]

Damn right I have an 8 year old son I don't need some political ass spewing retarded statements. Unfortunately we are stuck with political rejects. They take a huge responsiblity in the decay of our society but hey let's not say that, they might not be able to help it LOL.
[quote50fde718ce="ilanbg"]
You can be sure I would not be debating in favor of pedophilia anywhere important. This is an internet forum; it's practice for the real world, as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah that makes alot of sense. Let's debate a horrible issue cause your online and it has no repurcussions on you. Some sick guy might be reading your gibberish, take responsablity liek your telling the parents to.
[/quote50fde718ce]
[quote50fde718ce="ilanbg"]
I know. You're a real tough guy, I can tell.[/quote50fde718ce]

Like I said I knew that comment was coming but yeah at my house we don't play sissy ass debating. There is only one way to solve a argument as a man but oh once again society says would should talk our problems through. Good thing for all you little sissy guys that society went that route and that's a fact.

[quote50fde718ce="ilanbg"]
Let's see... you resorted to physical threats, you just compared me to a pedophile in the quote above, and you think that gay parents will produce gay children. I made hypothetical arguments as a way to of learning, and I remained levelheaded and passionless throughout. If I had any respect for you whatsoever, I might be offended by that, but for the reasons listed in this stanza, I don't. Sorry, mate.[/quote50fde718ce]

I said if someone came to my house spewing that garbage that would be the end result yes. You obviously don't have kids to even start this debate. I said your just as bad of a problem as sick people on our society, didn't day you were one but your just as bad.

Any yes just like a lawyer defending of our degenerates you can say 'hey I'm just saying his side of the story'. Defending a murderer, molester, rapist but oh hey I didn't do anything myself. That's a great way of thinking and will definitely be a benefit in politics lol.

ronmm

06-11-2006 14:14:54

[quotefb5fe60089="ilanbg"][quotefb5fe60089="ronmm"]Any info found dealing with issues like these are opinions. There is no way to 100% back up an opinion about things like this. God was just a word, I was just saying this is the internent, I can find some site that says its cool to do.[/quotefb5fe60089]

Statistics such as how often children are abducted by pedophiles, the source of homosexuality, and historical events are not opinions.[/quotefb5fe60089]

'the source of homosexuality' has many opinions just like any other issue such as problems like 'schizophrenia'. Yes there are some published opinions and some are believed by many but they are not problems that can be proven 100% by anyone. Some traits can be genetic and learned and 'I believe' homosexuality is one of them but that's not really the issue here.

Also don't bother anymore. I'm not even coming back to this thread. You already showed how retarded you are by admitting your just arguing for the sake of arguing. Sure enough your in the right profession, hopefully you get stuck in some crap position. This is a waste of my time and everyone elses.

This whole thread was pointless. Someone comments on some sick guys and your posted all this pointless info and didn't even see the show your trying to downplay. Kind of defeats your argument that everyone should looks at both sides, you didn't even do that yourself.

ilanbg

06-11-2006 14:24:22

[quotea187a009f6="ronmm"]Yeah that makes alot of sense. Let's debate a horrible issue cause your online and it has no repurcussions on you. Some sick guy might be reading your gibberish, take responsablity liek your telling the parents to. [/quotea187a009f6]

If there [ia187a009f6]is[/ia187a009f6] a pedophile reading this, perhaps you should make more compelling arguments. I'm sure your threats to beat him up are going to deter him.

(By the way, Mr. Pedophile PM me on how to get a free iPod!)

[quotea187a009f6]Like I said I knew that comment was coming but yeah at my house we don't play sissy ass debating. There is only one way to solve a argument as a man but oh once again society says would should talk our problems through. Good thing for all you little sissy guys that society went that route and that's a fact. [/quotea187a009f6]

Yep, it's a good thing "logic," "reason," and "facts" reign.

By your logic, Mike Tyson is more fit to make statements than you are.

Oh, here's a question You have no idea what sort of physical condition I'm in, or what fighting abilities I have. Are you saying that if I beat you up, you would admit you were wrong?

[quotea187a009f6]I said if someone came to my house spewing that garbage that would be the end result yes. You obviously don't have kids to even start this debate. I said your just as bad of a problem as sick people on our society, didn't day you were one but your just as bad.[/quotea187a009f6]

I fail to see how I'm as bad as a pedophile if I'm not actually molesting anyone.

[quotea187a009f6]Any yes just like a lawyer defending of our degenerates you can say 'hey I'm just saying his side of the story'. Defending a murderer, molester, rapist but oh hey I didn't do anything myself. That's a great way of thinking and will definitely be a benefit in politics lol.[/quotea187a009f6]

Yeah, the justice system is fucking awful. Whoever created that whole "Constitution" was pretty messed up in the head, eh? Too bad we didn't have some powerful man who could fight his way to the top and get things right.

[quotea187a009f6="ronmm"]'the source of homosexuality' has many opinions just like any other issue such as problems like 'schizophrenia'. Yes there are some published opinions and some are believed by many but they are not problems that can be proven 100% by anyone. Some traits can be genetic and learned and 'I believe' homosexuality is one of them but that's not really the issue here.[/quotea187a009f6]

You can choose to believe anything, but I'm curious as to why you believe that over the other theories.

ronmm

06-11-2006 14:33:44

[quoteb751dd69f1="ilanbg"]
Yep, it's a good thing "logic," "reason," and "facts" reign.

By your logic, Mike Tyson is more fit to make statements than you are.[/quoteb751dd69f1]

There you go, that's a political way of dealing with a problem. Turn it around on someone else. LOL Typical.

[quoteb751dd69f1="ilanbg"]
I fail to see how I'm as bad as a pedophile if I'm not actually molesting anyone. [/quoteb751dd69f1]

That's my point, you don't see it.
[quoteb751dd69f1="ilanbg"]
Yeah, the justice system is fucking awful. Whoever created that whole "Constitution" was pretty messed up in the head, eh? Too bad we didn't have some powerful man who could fight his way to the top and get things right.[/quoteb751dd69f1]

Yes it is but long ago people decided it was going to be ran that way.

[quoteb751dd69f1="ilanbg"]
You can choose to believe anything, but I'm curious as to why you believe that over the other theories.[/quoteb751dd69f1]

I have read both sides and they both make valid points. Common sense comes into play too, somethings are genetic of course but they can also be learned. Seriously look at 90% of your friends, their parents and friends they met young played a huge role of who they are becoming.

ilanbg

06-11-2006 14:43:27

[quotee957b085a1="ronmm"][quotee957b085a1="ilanbg"]
Yep, it's a good thing "logic," "reason," and "facts" reign.

By your logic, Mike Tyson is more fit to make statements than you are.[/quotee957b085a1]

There you go, that's a political way of dealing with a problem. Turn it around on someone else. LOL Typical.[/quotee957b085a1]

You're ignoring my point.

[quotee957b085a1][quotee957b085a1="ilanbg"]
I fail to see how I'm as bad as a pedophile if I'm not actually molesting anyone. [/quotee957b085a1]

That's my point, you don't see it.[/quotee957b085a1]

I spent four pages defending a point of view; why don't you enlighten me with your bountiful wisdom as to why I am a threat to your children?

Is it so hard for you to imagine that if someone were arguing in favor of pedophilia, I would argue against it? I would, and I would have an easier time doing so, because that is in fact what I believe in. The more reasons you can come up with that oppose your beliefs, the more reasons you are forced to come up with that support it, and thus your understanding and conviction in said beliefs increases.

[quotee957b085a1][quotee957b085a1="ilanbg"]
Yeah, the justice system is fucking awful. Whoever created that whole "Constitution" was pretty messed up in the head, eh? Too bad we didn't have some powerful man who could fight his way to the top and get things right.[/quotee957b085a1]

Yes it is but long ago people decided it was going to be ran that way.[/quotee957b085a1]

All right, sarcasm aside If you are ever accused of murder or rape, and are acquitted, I'd like you to tell me that again.

[quotee957b085a1][quotee957b085a1="ilanbg"]
You can choose to believe anything, but I'm curious as to why you believe that over the other theories.[/quotee957b085a1]

I have read both sides and they both make valid points. Common sense comes into play too, somethings are genetic of course but they can also be learned. Seriously look at 90% of your friends, their parents and friends they met young played a huge role of who they are becoming.[/quotee957b085a1]

You are letting your own observations, which have been observed in an unscientific environment, and which are also influenced by your own interactions and affects with the environment, prevent you from getting an accurate conclusion. An easy example of that is how you throw random statistics around as if they are real, and as if they help your argument. "90%," eh? How did you come up with that number?

Also, saying you believe something because it is "common sense" is not a reason. Facts, please.

ronmm

06-11-2006 15:00:08

You go ahead and argue with yourself. I find it very pointless to argue with someone especially when they are arguing about something they don't even believe in just for the sake of arguing. As bad as listening to my girlfriend, LOL. Bye!

ilanbg

06-11-2006 15:03:13

shrug

OldManWrigley

06-11-2006 15:46:39

[quoteb3d054f7c5="ronmm"][quoteb3d054f7c5="ilanbg"]All your gibberish bullshit[/quoteb3d054f7c5]

I'm not going to bother going over all the comments but regardless of any of it. It illegal and immoral, all your post are bullshit and stupid thinking like this is what leads us to allow guys to get married. [/quoteb3d054f7c5]

Case closed. Best statement in the whole thread.

Not every case of homosexuality is because the person has some sort of different structure then straight people. What about gay people who turn straight? How does that happen if there's something in their body that literally tells them to fuck guys? No offense, I know we strongly despise of eachother, although I'd never do what you did to me (believe it or not, that "Jenny Rose" myspace belonged to me, you dick.), but all grudges aside, you are really missing something here. Dateline 50 years ago, or whatever news show was around then, wouldn't be setting up cameras and police crews in a 25 year old mans house because he was meeting to have sex with another 25 year old man. If a cop walked on on two 30 somthings having sex (of the same gender), they wouldn't be arrested. I know I'm not much older then you, and I don't think you "growing up" has anything to do with the fact that you'll change your mind, I just don't think you're seeing the whole picture. Just like Dave said about the guy wanting to stab the girl. The girl doesn't know any better and wants to be stabbed, but that doesn't make it ok for anyone to stab her? Just because she's consenting to it, doens't make it right.

amir89630

06-11-2006 17:56:30

sooo.....


its.

pedofilia=bad
homosexuality=bad
gay marriage= good


?

theysayjump

06-11-2006 18:13:46

lisighli

So much bigotry, hate, ignorance, narrow-mindedness, judging and immaturity.

I don't understand why someone deserves to have the shit kicked out of them because they want to debate something. Very immature and shows that someone is led more by their testosterone and "manly" upbringing than logic and rationale.

[quote0234ca292b="Dave82"]Do they think it is wrong for a man and a sheep to have consentual sex.... even if the sheep is mature? [b0234ca292b] Some things are just "wrong."[/b0234ca292b][/quote0234ca292b]

I'd love for you to explain how a sheep would give you it's consent to have sex with it in the first place.

bballp6699

06-11-2006 20:25:59

Bahhh = Do me.

ronmm

06-11-2006 22:03:50

[quote162720fcac="theysayjump"]lisighli

So much bigotry, hate, ignorance, narrow-mindedness, judging and immaturity.

I don't understand why someone deserves to have the shit kicked out of them because they want to debate something. Very immature and shows that someone is led more by their testosterone and "manly" upbringing than logic and rationale.[/quote162720fcac]

Sorry man, we are cool but when it comes to issues like this I will be what you call a narrow minded bigot. I 'hate', yes hate molesters and anyone that will stand for them. Most will feel the same once they have kids and will do whatever it takes to protect them. Debating for someone with those mind issues are just as bad as the ones with the issues in my book.

theysayjump

06-11-2006 22:17:34

[quote3b293b653a="ronmm"][quote3b293b653a="theysayjump"]lisighli

So much bigotry, hate, ignorance, narrow-mindedness, judging and immaturity.

I don't understand why someone deserves to have the shit kicked out of them because they want to debate something. Very immature and shows that someone is led more by their testosterone and "manly" upbringing than logic and rationale.[/quote3b293b653a]

Sorry man, we are cool but when it comes to issues like this I will be what you call a narrow minded bigot. I 'hate', yes hate molesters and anyone that will stand for them. Most will feel the same once they have kids and will do whatever it takes to protect them. Debating for someone with those mind issues are just as bad as the ones with the issues in my book.[/quote3b293b653a]

Molestors I agree are peices of shit. Nobody should be assaulted, molested, raped or otherwise because it's being done without the consent of both parties involved.

I don't hate anyone, but I dislike a lot of types of people, mainly the ones who intetionally do harm to others, which is the point I was trying to make in regards to your comment.

Pacisifism doesn't make anyone less of a person, in my book, it makes you more of a person, but not everyone is like that.

Your views are your views, it just struck me as a little "extreme" when you said you'd kick the shit out of your son if debated just for the sake of it. But again, you may think my views are extreme as well as my actions pertaining to them.

It's all good, I enjoy debates and discussions as long as they're not filled with senseless, ignorance and flaming.

Dave82

07-11-2006 00:00:15

i was making a point jump. i didnt think anyone would take it seriously.


anyways, agree to disagree all.

bballp6699

07-11-2006 07:09:28

I really can't believe we had a 4 page debate on whether it was alright for a 50 year old to have sex with a 13 year old kid. I hope you two never have kids.

ronmm

07-11-2006 10:39:52

[quote23ab51b4e3="theysayjump"]

Molesters I agree are pieces of shit. Nobody should be assaulted, molested, raped or otherwise because it's being done without the consent of both parties involved.

I don't hate anyone, but I dislike a lot of types of people, mainly the ones who intensionally do harm to others, which is the point I was trying to make in regards to your comment.

Pacisifism doesn't make anyone less of a person, in my book, it makes you more of a person, but not everyone is like that.

Your views are your views, it just struck me as a little "extreme" when you said you'd kick the shit out of your son if debated just for the sake of it. But again, you may think my views are extreme as well as my actions pertaining to them.

It's all good, I enjoy debates and discussions as long as they're not filled with senseless, ignorance and flaming.[/quote23ab51b4e3]

There is nothing wrong with a debate but debating about a subject like this is ignorant. I don't think it was extreme, if anyone comes to my house and even make a hint of ignorance toward a subject that deals with my son he deserves what he gets.

There are plenty of things to debate, go debate God or the meaning of freaking life not if some sick SOBs should be humiliated.

In the end it turns out he has never even watched the show. He also admits in the end that he would never debate this in real life but this is some internet forums so basically who cares. All that after telling parents to man up and teach their children, hmmm they should take responsibility for their kids actions but doesn't care about his own. hmmmm, yeah that makes alot of sense.

As for Pacisifism, yeah it's not like I go around fighting. I have only been in a dozen or so in my lifetime but if some jackass was at my house spewing ignorance such as this yeah he deserves it.

Like I said if you like to freaking argue, debate God or politics. Every one has different views there, there is no need for debating sick issues like this. They should just castrate them when they get caught the first time, save all the bullshit.

ilanbg

07-11-2006 10:45:40

Some of the things I argued I [i576c5b02e3]do[/i576c5b02e3] believe in, such as that parents have the responsibility to teach their children about the dangers of the internet.

But my fucking point is that debating is a skill, and by intentionally choosing a side that is harder to argue, I am likelier to improve on that skill.

You are saying this as if no one could possibly agree with my point of view. There are entire organizations[=http//216.220.97.17/]There are entire organizations that support the point I was arguing, so stop making threats for a second and open your eyes.

ronmm

07-11-2006 13:49:22

[quotec6c879eac1="ilanbg"]Some of the things I argued I [ic6c879eac1]do[/ic6c879eac1] believe in, such as that parents have the responsibility to teach their children about the dangers of the internet.

But my fucking point is that debating is a skill, and by intentionally choosing a side that is harder to argue, I am likelier to improve on that skill.

You are saying this as if no one could possibly agree with my point of view. There are entire organizations[=http//216.220.97.17/]There are entire organizations that support the point I was arguing, so stop making threats for a second and open your eyes.[/quotec6c879eac1]

Slow down there killer, I never once made a threat. I stated if someone was at my house and make jackass comments like that what I would do. Would you go to a black mans house and call him the N word? Damn right you wouldn't cause you know what would happen. Pretty simple, as you have shown ignorance can be portrayed online because you don't own up to what comes out of your mouth. You know you wouldn't be dumb enough to debate that side in front of any parents so why would you do it here.

Yes parents should but they should also teach them not to grow up to be moronic politians but hey can't win them all.

My eyes are open on many things and this will never be one of them.

Alot of things are skills but using them in certain situations is pretty stupid, you even said yourself you would never debate this in real life. [bc6c879eac1]Your arguments should only have come from the sick guys lawyer in court or a fellow kiddie lover.[/bc6c879eac1]

Also just went to that link, look at the guy on the front fk-ing page man. POINT MADE!!! LOL, Glad some of them are so obvious looking so they definitely don;t get close to our kids.

bballp6699

11-11-2006 17:21:21

It's on right now.

Wolfeman

11-11-2006 17:28:29

[quoteb906c2f242="bballp6699"]It's on right now.[/quoteb906c2f242]
Sweet! More pederasts going down...

Powerbook

11-11-2006 17:55:19

[quote36c7783764="Wolfeman"][quote36c7783764="bballp6699"]It's on right now.[/quote36c7783764]
Sweet! More pederasts going down...[/quote36c7783764]

Too bad. It was a repeat. DAMN! cry

J4320

20-03-2007 12:50:28

Here's an interesting video that I just found on TCAP ---

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4hXfpdj2x4&NR

manOFice

20-03-2007 12:55:30

The freebie scene isn't even safe from sex offenders..keep a close eye on your kids!!

Wolfeman

20-03-2007 13:24:36

This guy makes a few good points but overall is kinda dumb...

aseastar

23-03-2007 08:11:11

[quotea9fb6b403b="ilanbg"]Does jail cure these problems? I think not.

Perhaps the media should be encouraging people to find a psychologist instead of humiliating them over a problem they can't control (at best, repress).

If this show existed fifty years ago it would be bustin' in on homosexuals. Look at it in perspective.[/quotea9fb6b403b]

HOLY SHIT, are you comparing homosexuals to child molestors? I sincerly HOPE NOT. x

ilanbg

31-05-2007 19:24:49

Oh look, it seems[=http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6710531.stm]Oh look, it seems the chief of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre agrees with me that jail is not necessary the best solution for pedophilia.

JUNIOR6886

31-05-2007 19:40:34

chris What do you think should happen to you?

jerk I think i should go home and you know, learn from this

hahah yeah fucking right you're going to JAIL son!

A Hart

31-05-2007 20:06:28

[quote8442add2e9="mnx12"]I watched Oprah yesterday and it was the same thing, and that was better. Mind you, I dont normall watch Oprah, it just came on...haha[/quote8442add2e9]

Yeah right. you tivo Oprah!

ffactoryxx

31-05-2007 20:38:38

One of the guys on the first show lived right down the street from me. My brothers were best friends with his son for like 15 years. I met him many times

Fr1zzank

31-05-2007 21:10:04

[quote0a995fde36="ilanbg"]Oh look, it seems[=http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6710531.stm]Oh look, it seems the chief of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre agrees with me that jail is not necessary the best solution for pedophilia.[/quote0a995fde36]

I don't want to sound like I know it all (because I think I know jack), but I'm a Criminology major and it didn't take long for me to learn that jail is very rarely the best solution for ANY criminal/criminal behaviour.

Basically, all I've learned in support of incarceration is in extremely atypical cases (the ones the media loves to show most frequently) where the offender has undergone extensive psychotherapy (among many other therapies), and still has a penchant for committing criminal behaviour. In these instances, jail doesn't help the criminal in any way, it simply segregates a person who is thought to be uncureable from the rest of society.

The prison system, frankly, sucks horrendously. But, it makes our governments money, and it's easier than trying to figure out another way to deal with criminal offenders.

doylnea

31-05-2007 21:32:54

one of the better threads of all time on FiPG http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=59835

tjwor

01-06-2007 11:40:27

i didn't wanna re-read all of this, but i'm gonna put my 2 cents anyways...

So, I think this show is good, not because it help sthe people the catch as you are saying, embarassing them on tv isn't going to stop their urges, but what it may do is cause people who go online and talk to little kids to try to "hook up" with them, may think twice about doing it knowing they could be running into a trap, the more people that see this show, the less likley for someone to try it... and it does stop the people who have done it for a while anyways, i bet they won't be on the show again...

JUNIOR6886

03-06-2007 08:41:30

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tylerc

03-06-2007 16:56:49

Too fast to read what's being said.

moviemadnessman

03-06-2007 17:01:12

[quote0440abef16="tylerc"]Too fast to read what's being said.[/quote0440abef16]Here you go http//i170.photobucket.com/albums/u249/moviemadnessman/What.png[" alt=""/img0440abef16]

Wolfeman

03-06-2007 20:03:42

I'll pretend you said 18, that'll hold up in court...