help me w/ a paper

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amir89630

12-09-2006 18:25:39

look, here is the theme


PERSUASIVE ESSAY

This essay is to be a persuasive essay. You are to select a topic about which there is some ability for debate. Then, you are to write a 1 1/2 page essay attempting to persuade the reader to "adopt" your stance on the issue at hand. Keep in mind several points when writing this essay

li The reasons you use MUST BE OBJECTIVE. That is, they must have some relevance and rationale outside of YOUR belief system. "Because I said so" is NOT a valid reason.
li NO I STATEMENTS. Using I statements gives the reader the impression that your argument is based solely on opinion, with no support from objective fact.
li Avoid any statements where you try to prove YOUR point by making a negative statement about an opposing viewpoint.

In addition, you must provide a quotation from an outside article, most likely a newspaper or magazine article, supporting your position. You must cite the quotation using proper parenthetical citation format, and provide a works cited page entry, also in proper format.

I was thinking about writing about how sharing music is ok, but i think its kinda a crappy choice.

Any ideas?

Jeorgius

12-09-2006 18:27:13

Support for Gay Marriage
Marijuana Legalization
Death Penalty
Gun Laws
War in Iraq
Abortion

to name a few

nobody2000

12-09-2006 18:28:04

$100 I'll write you a B or better, $150 if it's an A

ilanbg

12-09-2006 18:29:59

I wrote my research paper last year on why Santa Claus is bad for society. Most people will think that's a lame topic though.

bballp6699

12-09-2006 18:31:34

Santa Claus is the man. The tooth fairy, on the other hand, is a filthy slut.

nobody2000

12-09-2006 18:33:44

[quote9d40d0b18c="ilanbg"]I wrote my research paper last year on why Santa Claus is bad for society. Most people will think that's a lame topic though.[/quote9d40d0b18c]

Santa claus is an awesome concept

Simply put...it encourages kids to behave and they get rewarded. What's bad about that?


But yeah...the offer is still on the table.

amir89630

12-09-2006 18:35:15

[quotedb8041c804="nobody2000"]$100 I'll write you a B or better, $150 if it's an A[/quotedb8041c804]

no, im good.



I would need to have some outside sources as well.

Are there any sources on why Santa Claus is bad for society?

willr91

12-09-2006 18:41:44

[quotee04b5a67b8="nobody2000"][quotee04b5a67b8="ilanbg"]I wrote my research paper last year on why Santa Claus is bad for society. Most people will think that's a lame topic though.[/quotee04b5a67b8]

Santa claus is an awesome concept

Simply put...it encourages kids to behave and they get rewarded. What's bad about that?


But yeah...the offer is still on the table.[/quotee04b5a67b8]
Because it instills the idea that the only reason to behave is to be rewarded.

ilanbg

12-09-2006 18:41:55

[quote7d2356c522="nobody2000"]Simply put...it encourages kids to behave and they get rewarded. What's bad about that?
.[/quote7d2356c522]

Simply put, I disagree. Perhaps its intent is to do this, but it fails now.

[quote7d2356c522="amir89630"]Are there any sources on why Santa Claus is bad for society?[/quote7d2356c522]

I've found dozens, but I've been researching this topic on and off for over a year now.

nobody2000

12-09-2006 18:46:04

I think society has ruined santa claus. The WWII generation began spoiling their kids after the war, and smart marketing took clear advantage of that, and the Santa Claus aspect of christmas is a greedy concept and encourages bratty kid greed, and pushover, non-strict parents.

Fundamentally, Santa Claus is a good lie, and if you aren't a shitty parent, you can make it work.

OldManWrigley

12-09-2006 18:49:38

I think that Santa Claus is bad for society because of parents keep up that lie for long enough, then when the kids are 14 or so and they realize it's fake, they might start thinking God is fake also, just another ploy to get you to behave.....

ilanbg

12-09-2006 18:55:56

[Man, I carry controversy everywhere I go.]

[quotea319eab4bc="nobody2000"]I think society has ruined santa claus. The WWII generation began spoiling their kids after the war, and smart marketing took clear advantage of that, and the Santa Claus aspect of christmas is a greedy concept and encourages bratty kid greed, and pushover, non-strict parents. [/quotea319eab4bc]

Society ruined Santa Claus by creating it. Almost every incarnation of Santa Claus put him to negative use. Ours is the most blatant due to marketing schemes, however marketing only takes advantage of our own perpetuation of his negative applications.

[quotea319eab4bc]Fundamentally, Santa Claus is a good lie, and if you aren't a shitty parent, you can make it work.[/quotea319eab4bc]

I disagree. From a psychological point of view, one's parents are expected to be the most trusting people a children can have. The fact that parents go to extreme lengths to make their children believe in Santa Claus destroys some of the trust. Furthermore, statistically most children learn of Santa's nonexistence through a friend, as, statistically, their parents expect them do. In other words, not only do parents lie to their children, they expect the truth to be unveiled by someone else.

[quotea319eab4bc="OldManWrigley"]I think that Santa Claus is bad for society because of parents keep up that lie for long enough, then when the kids are 14 or so and they realize it's fake, they might start thinking God is fake also, just another ploy to get you to behave.....[/quotea319eab4bc]

Indeed. Using Santa as a method of leading children towards faith is also flawed.

nobody2000

12-09-2006 19:12:51

do you think that society would maintain more filial piety without Santa Claus?

ilanbg

12-09-2006 19:25:56

[quotebfb5c1956d="nobody2000"]do you think that society would maintain more filial piety without Santa Claus?[/quotebfb5c1956d]

There are other factors that play against filial piety but I think in general people would not be so rebellious. I know the biggest reason I resent my parents is because of all the lying and manipulating they did to me when I was younger; once I got old enough to analyze what they said I was pretty pissed to find out a lot of what they said/did was out of convenience. My parents didn't really lie any more than other parents—less, perhaps—but if you listen to a mother talk to her child for just a minute you're bound to hear something changed or lied to suit the mother's needs in that instance.

Santa Claus is such an instance, but it is so complex that it extends past just a white lie. People have lost their jobs over him and laws have been made that protect his existence.

amir89630

12-09-2006 19:31:23

[quote91fe1e13a6="ilanbg"]
statistically most children learn of Santa's nonexistence through a friend, as, statistically, their parents expect them do. In other words, not only do parents lie to their children, they expect the truth to be unveiled by someone else.



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can you cite that mamajama right thea, i think it makes a good point, and i wanna use it.

ilanbg

12-09-2006 19:46:07

[quote5a88a52a5c="amir89630"][quote5a88a52a5c="ilanbg"]
statistically most children learn of Santa's nonexistence through a friend, as, statistically, their parents expect them do. In other words, not only do parents lie to their children, they expect the truth to be unveiled by someone else.
[/quote5a88a52a5c]


can you cite that mamajama right thea, i think it makes a good point, and i wanna use it.[/quote5a88a52a5c]

Did you decide to debate against Santa Claus?

Here's the link

http//atheism.about.com/od/christmasholidayseason/p/SantaMyth.htm[]http//atheism.about.com/od/christmasholidayseason/p/SantaMyth.htm

nobody2000

12-09-2006 19:49:13

[quote2c3595a5c0="amir89630"]look, here is the theme


PERSUASIVE ESSAY

This essay is to be a persuasive essay. You are to select a topic about which there is some ability for debate. Then, you are to write a 1 1/2 page essay attempting to persuade the reader to "adopt" your stance on the issue at hand. Keep in mind several points when writing this essay

li The reasons you use MUST BE OBJECTIVE. That is, they must have some relevance and rationale outside of YOUR belief system. "Because I said so" is NOT a valid reason.
li NO I STATEMENTS. Using I statements gives the reader the impression that your argument is based solely on opinion, with no support from objective fact.
li Avoid any statements where you try to prove YOUR point by making a negative statement about an opposing viewpoint.

In addition, you must provide a quotation from an outside article, most likely a newspaper or magazine article, supporting your position. You must cite the quotation using proper parenthetical citation format, and provide a works cited page entry, also in proper format.

I was thinking about writing about how sharing music is ok, but i think its kinda a crappy choice.

Any ideas?[/quote2c3595a5c0]

Let's unhijack this thread.

amir89630

12-09-2006 19:53:56

[quote1d826f6b77]Did you decide to debate against Santa Claus?[/quote1d826f6b77]


It became inevitable as soon as you brought the topic up.
It has a lot of facts supporting both sides of the arguement.


have u read

http//www.webmd.com/content/Article/97/104275.htm?pagenumber=2[]http//www.webmd.com/content/Article/97/104275.htm?pagenumber=2

ilanbg

12-09-2006 19:54:40

Um, it was amir that asked me for that link; if he's interested in using it as a topic I would say discussion on it is still on topic, no?

Anyway, the link I posted above wasn't actually the right one (although it's still pretty useful). The statistic I mentioned above came from a document on a server that isn't publicly accessible.

amir89630

12-09-2006 20:03:20

thanks,

the about.com link was pretty damn useful to say the least.


[quote644843ce4b]The statistic I mentioned above came from a document on a server that isn't publicly accessible.[/quote644843ce4b]

damn.