Astral Projection.
TFOAF
07-09-2006 21:12:08
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No need to hijack YGF's thread about Lucid Dreaming, as AP and LD are completely different.
I've almost done it, and it's weird as hell. I've gotten to the point where I feel my body exiting. It doesn't hurt, but it becomes scary, because you're going to an "outside world." I don't find AP religion related at all.
Has anyone here ever done it? And if you have, please tell us your techniques and experiences. )
[b5e15631915]Edit My Tutorial. Sorry if it looks crappy. Just pasting an AIM convo. I might fix it up some other time[/b5e15631915]
[u5e15631915]The Tutorial[/u5e15631915][/size5e15631915]
TFOAF (121946 AM) well here's how i do it
TFOAF (121953 AM) first of all, it's best if you lay on your stomach
TFOAF (122004 AM) oh also, you can travel anywhere you want
TFOAF (122006 AM) in real time
TFOAF (122014 AM) anywhere in the planet..universe...you name
TFOAF (122014 AM) ;)
TFOAF (122023 AM) no one can see you but other "spirits"
TFOAF (122024 AM) anywho
TFOAF (122028 AM) You have to lay on your stomach.
TFOAF (122057 AM) Now, you have to gather energy in your body. Don't ask how. It just happens. Just concentrate on only that. You cannot think about ANYTHING. You have to literally clear your mind.
TFOAF (122117 AM) Start gathering energy in your feet, and then you can move it, just by thinking it. It's pretty neat.
TFOAF (122129 AM) Move it around your body, and then after it's all over, move it to your head
TFOAF (122200 AM) (eyes closed the whole time)
TFOAF (122219 AM) Now start to think about getting out of your body, without actually thinking about it.
TFOAF (122242 AM) "pretend there's a rope above you, and you try to grab on to it and pull yourself up, without moving, and without thinking"
TFOAF (122311 AM) after you try that, you start to feel this feeling in your body, it's like the feeling of your hand or foot falling asleep...except 100 times stronger.
TFOAF (122314 AM) It doesn't hurt at all
TFOAF (122317 AM) It's soothing.
TFOAF (122332 AM) You get into this state of mild paralysis. Which...you can move if you want to, but you don't want to. ll
TFOAF (122343 AM) After that, just continue trying to exit.
TFOAF (122349 AM) And then...you'll feel it.
TFOAF (122405 AM) And I have yet to exit. Probably because I'm scared of what's there. Even though nothing can happen.
TFOAF (122411 AM) yea...and that's that ;)
Question (122442 AM) wasnt there some branch of the government that trained spies to do that kinda thing?
TFOAF (122514 AM) yes
TFOAF (122518 AM) except it was called remote viewing.
TFOAF (122529 AM) and they were able to see where people were without actually going somewhere
TFOAF (122534 AM) but they never exited their body
TFOAF (122542 AM) I forgot the project name
TFOAF (122619 AM) http//paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa123002a.htm
TFOAF (122729 AM) ah that's what it was
TFOAF (122730 AM) i remembered
TFOAF (122732 AM) Project Stargate.
TFOAF (122751 AM) http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project
TFOAF (122907 AM) I find it rather interesting.
TFOAF (122914 AM) Just imageine what else the government doesn't tell us. -D
TFOAF (122923 AM) Uhh...
TFOAF (122924 AM) few days
TFOAF (122931 AM) and I've been stuck in that same position ever since
TFOAF (122931 AM) lol
bruman
07-09-2006 21:18:53
Are you stupid? How can you not find it spiritual? The whole idea and method of it is highly related to spirituality.
Do you not think going into an 'outside world' isn't spiritual?
TFOAF
07-09-2006 21:25:01
My bad. I removed the word "spiritual". I didn't mean to put that there.
ilanbg
07-09-2006 21:26:17
Heh, I don't believe in spirituality and I've had one. Just because it's no longer on a physical plane doesn't mean it isn't on a secular plane.
J4320
07-09-2006 21:26:42
[quote5e2b77fca5="TFOAF"]My bad. I removed the word "spiritual". I didn't mean to put that there.[/quote5e2b77fca5]
Mmmmhmmm...
Sure...
P
bruman
07-09-2006 21:57:20
[quoteb52e0bf3ac="ilanbg"]Heh, I don't believe in spirituality and I've had one. Just because it's no longer on a physical plane doesn't mean it isn't on a secular plane.[/quoteb52e0bf3ac]
secular plane? wtf is that?
TFOAF
07-09-2006 22:01:32
Secular Things not regarded as religious or spiritual.
bruman
07-09-2006 22:04:46
Pfft
stupid westerners
TFOAF
07-09-2006 22:07:52
[quote212b7dabcc="bruman"]Pfft
stupid westerners[/quote212b7dabcc]
Huh?
hairyferry
07-09-2006 22:14:42
[quote0d75e233b1="bruman"]Are you stupid? How can you not find it spiritual? The whole idea and method of it is highly related to spirituality.
Do you not think going into an 'outside world' isn't spiritual?[/quote0d75e233b1]
[quote0d75e233b1="bruman"]hey asshole no referral links[/quote0d75e233b1]
Bruman I think you should start being nice. The past few threads you've posted in you sure have been mean.
Bentley
07-09-2006 23:26:10
I remember one day I blazed it fat, I mean took bongloads, smoked 2 blunts and hotboxed the room. This was at my friends house and I sat in the corner and he looked at me and he was like man your fucking blown I was like I know and I exited my body it felt SOOOOO wierd.
ilanbg
07-09-2006 23:30:49
I'm always dubious about intoxicated-induced OOBEs because their vary nature is that your judgment and analytical abilities are impaired.
That said, I've never had an OOBE while stoned, so I dunno about its validity.
JUNIOR6886
08-09-2006 05:53:34
[quote4fbad2ee6d="TFOAF"]No need to hijack YGF's thread about Lucid Dreaming, as AP and LD are completely different.
I've almost done it, and it's weird as hell. I've gotten to the point where I feel my body exiting. It doesn't hurt, but it becomes scary, because you're going to an "outside world." I don't find AP religion related at all.
Has anyone here ever done it? And if you have, please tell us your techniques and experiences. )[/quote4fbad2ee6d]
Everytime i get close and feel the vibrations i get scared shitless cry
I dont think AP has to necessarily religious but its definetly spritual...
TFOAF
08-09-2006 06:38:00
[quote035c6ceed9="JUNIOR6886"][quote035c6ceed9="TFOAF"]No need to hijack YGF's thread about Lucid Dreaming, as AP and LD are completely different.
I've almost done it, and it's weird as hell. I've gotten to the point where I feel my body exiting. It doesn't hurt, but it becomes scary, because you're going to an "outside world." I don't find AP religion related at all.
Has anyone here ever done it? And if you have, please tell us your techniques and experiences. )[/quote035c6ceed9]
Everytime i get close and feel the vibrations i get scared shitless cry
I dont think AP has to necessarily religious but its definetly spritual...[/quote035c6ceed9]
Me too. D
And guys, please don't discuss "drug related OBEs". They just aren't real. This topic is about the real thing.
KnightTrader
08-09-2006 09:48:41
Stupid Westerners? Thats an all out flame, Fuck you!
dmorris68
08-09-2006 10:07:21
Easy people. Keep flaming and this gets locked. Keep flaming in other threads and you get banned. This also goes for you who respond in kind when somebody acts like an asshole.
bruman
08-09-2006 11:22:01
heh, yeah, sorry. I think I was just in a bad mood yesterday.
Lightliquid
08-09-2006 12:15:10
I've been really close alot but never been out of my body. What I usually think about into doing it is like what if my parents didnt have me? Where would I be and would I know if I was different than I am today? And today I was imagining myself falling on a skateboard and how it looked and I almost went out also.
TFOAF
08-09-2006 12:15:53
[quotedf7d0824e1="Lightliquid"]I've been really close alot but never been out of my body. What I usually think about into doing it is like what if my parents didnt have me? And today I was imagining myself falling on a skateboard and how it looked and I almost went out also.[/quotedf7d0824e1]
Why do you think about your parents not having you? cry
Lightliquid
08-09-2006 12:18:14
Lol dont get the wrong Idea... there was a topic in the car one day(Dont remember waht is was) and it made me think about that and it made me almost go out. So now I just think about that from time to time and it works.
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 12:18:47
Whats an AP do? Or what can you do.
Lightliquid
08-09-2006 12:20:52
Im not sure but it feels really weird.
TFOAF
08-09-2006 12:21:50
[quotefe0c5baf59="YourGiftsFree"]Whats an AP do? Or what can you do.[/quotefe0c5baf59]
Anything you want to do. You could travel literally across world instantly, you could fly, walk, go through walls. Whatever pleases you.
See other "spirits/ghosts". You communicate via telepathy. Phyiscal beings such as humans/animals can not see you, but you can see them. There's an entire world out...it's like amazing. Animals might be able to see you, I'm not too sure, but I know that animals have some sort of other senses that we don't.
If I think of more things I'll post it.
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 12:23:16
So basically were a ghost?
What a coincidence, I also have a sound file for Astral Projection.... Haven't tried it though ?
Gooogler
08-09-2006 13:55:22
[quotecd16597379="TFOAF"]No need to hijack YGF's thread about Lucid Dreaming, as AP and LD are completely different.
I've almost done it, and it's weird as hell. I've gotten to the point where I feel my body exiting. It doesn't hurt, but it becomes scary, because you're going to an "outside world." I don't find AP religion related at all.
Has anyone here ever done it? And if you have, please tell us your techniques and experiences. )[/quotecd16597379]
You are insane, I would never ever try that. shock
TFOAF
08-09-2006 13:57:49
Insane, nah. It's probably the coolest experience you could ever have once you succeed in actually doing it. D
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 14:00:18
I'll stick to LDingfor now, heh. Im a bit scared!
Ok let the comments come...
"0MGZ3R5 YGF 15 5C4R3D 0F S0M3TH1NG!1111!!oNE!11
Gooogler
08-09-2006 14:00:22
[quote24fa21924c="TFOAF"]Insane, nah. It's probably the coolest experience you could ever have once you succeed in actually doing it. D[/quote24fa21924c]
No, that kind of stuff is not a good idea. When you do that you are messing with stuff you shouldn't be.
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 14:04:58
If its there to be done, then it should be done.
Akademikz
08-09-2006 14:06:50
[quote087cd2df47="Gooogler"][quote087cd2df47="TFOAF"]Insane, nah. It's probably the coolest experience you could ever have once you succeed in actually doing it. D[/quote087cd2df47]
No, that kind of stuff is not a good idea. When you do that you are messing with stuff you shouldn't be.[/quote087cd2df47]
And Mr. Genius please share with me the repercussions of Astral Projection? You seem to be an expert.
PM me if you want the Astral Projection sound file... follow the instructions in the zip file and please let me know if you used it and what happened.....
[quotef46d479747]Disclaimer USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. If you exit your body and can't get back in... That's not my problem P[/quotef46d479747]
Akademikz
08-09-2006 14:12:58
Not being able to get back in and stuck in some stage of 'limbo' would probably be pretty sweet for a while, then get old.
dmorris68
08-09-2006 14:14:15
[quote818c3209f3="h3x"]PM me if you want the Astral Projection sound file... follow the instructions in the zip file and please let me know if you used it and what happened.....
[quote818c3209f3]Disclaimer USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. If you exit your body and can't get back in... That's not my problem P[/quote818c3209f3][/quote818c3209f3]
Hit me with it, I'd love to try this out. ;)
BD2006BD
08-09-2006 14:15:04
Bruman is really getting on my nerves.. he is always a dick to people.
Gooogler
08-09-2006 14:16:48
[quote9129219466="Akademikz"][quote9129219466="Gooogler"][quote9129219466="TFOAF"]Insane, nah. It's probably the coolest experience you could ever have once you succeed in actually doing it. D[/quote9129219466]
No, that kind of stuff is not a good idea. When you do that you are messing with stuff you shouldn't be.[/quote9129219466]
And Mr. Genius please share with me the repercussions of Astral Projection? You seem to be an expert.[/quote9129219466]
Yeah, I guess anyone with an opinion is an expert, thanks for helping to to see that. I always thought that in order for one to be considered an expert you actually needed to know more than just a few things about the topic.
But anyway... I really don't know to much about it, what I [i9129219466]do[/i9129219466] know is that it is commonly associated with evil, IMO it is an easy way to get yourself into some real demonic crap.
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 14:17:17
Dmorris, if your serious let us know how it is!
TFOAF
08-09-2006 14:52:09
[quote7929fbda57="h3x"]PM me if you want the Astral Projection sound file... follow the instructions in the zip file and please let me know if you used it and what happened.....
[quote7929fbda57]Disclaimer USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. If you exit your body and can't get back in... That's not my problem P[/quote7929fbda57][/quote7929fbda57]
The part being stuck out of your body. It's just not possible. If you think about returning to your body, you'll return. It just could take a while before you're able to think it. P
And also, if someone were to nudge you while you were doing this, you'd instantly return...so there's really nothing to worry about. ;)
bruman
08-09-2006 15:00:58
Yea the good ol astral cord will keep you connected to your physical body. I <3 my astral cord.
J4320
08-09-2006 15:03:27
There are a ton of people who claim to have OBE's but many of them are just hallucinations and such.
It is a very hard thing to achieve and I have a hard time believing TFOAF saying that he "almost did it".
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 15:09:11
Believe it or not, I'm almost positvie AP is easier to do then a LD.
TFOAF
08-09-2006 15:09:11
Why do you have a hard time believe that "I almost did it," [b0877cdfe0b]J4320[/b0877cdfe0b]? I don't get it...
I've felt it...I felt myself leaving my body...literally. Whatever. Believe what you want.
bruman
08-09-2006 15:09:50
TONS AND TONS (a large majority) of near-death experiences reports include an OBE as the first thing that happens when you die.
Your soul disconnects from your body and floats above your physical body.. and you can see your body from below. I read this one report where this person was in a hospital and she was getting operated on.. i guess it was something really severe. She ended up dieing (flat bar) and she reported having an OBE, looking at her body and the doctors still operating on her. She could hear what the doctors were saying and everything. Later they somehow brought her back to life and she told the doctors what they were saying and what was happening while she was dead (which would have been impossible.. since she was dead). And tons of other similiar cases (the person died, could see there body and surroundings) and then came back to life.
J4320
08-09-2006 15:16:54
[quote927da648bf="TFOAF"]Why do you have a hard time believe that "I almost did it," [b927da648bf]J4320[/b927da648bf]? I don't get it...
I've felt it...I felt myself leaving my body...literally. Whatever. Believe what you want.[/quote927da648bf]
Well it's not because it's just you, I just have a hard time believing people when they say stuff like this. I'm sure you could have and it's possible but I was under the impression that it was kind of rare to happen.
Your mind and imagination are tricky things. You may have had a dream about having an OBE when not actually having one.
TFOAF
08-09-2006 16:24:40
It's not rare though. Many people AP, and the success rate only increases. )
bruman
08-09-2006 16:32:17
This looks like a really good site. I didn't read much but the pictures look cool.
http//www.lucidcrossroads.co.uk/astral.htm
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 16:47:34
So whos trying this tonight?
TFOAF
08-09-2006 16:49:05
I try almost every night, I seem to get further the more I do it. I just can't overcome that fear of exiting...that's what's holding me back. ?
J4320
08-09-2006 16:50:56
So how do people even try to achieve it? You get lucid and then do what?
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 16:51:51
You dont do it in a LD. You could but you dont. TFOAF, post how you do it!
TFOAF
08-09-2006 16:52:10
[quote492f43d1ce="J4320"]So how do people even try to achieve it? You get lucid and then do what?[/quote492f43d1ce]
No. Don't get into lucid. That would be a bad choice. I mean, you could possibly achieve AP from a lucid dream, but you might slip away in a deep sleep.
lisighli
Let YGF tell you. I told him. I'm too lazy to copy/write my tutorial. rofl.
ilanbg
08-09-2006 16:54:33
I've read about people who do it after becoming lucid in a dream, and others who do it as they fall asleep. The time I came pretty close I was still awake, but in a meditative state.
I'll give this a shot again tonight.
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 16:54:40
Here it is. If you feel your too "scared" or not ready for it. Just try LDing tonight, thats still awesome D.
TFOAF (121946 AM) well here's how i do it
TFOAF (121953 AM) first of all, it's best if you lay on your stomach
TFOAF (122004 AM) oh also, you can travel anywhere you want
TFOAF (122006 AM) in real time
TFOAF (122014 AM) anywhere in the planet..universe...you name
TFOAF (122014 AM) ;)
TFOAF (122023 AM) no one can see you but other "spirits"
TFOAF (122024 AM) anywho
TFOAF (122028 AM) You have to lay on your stomach.
TFOAF (122057 AM) Now, you have to gather energy in your body. Don't ask how. It just happens. Just concentrate on only that. You cannot think about ANYTHING. You have to literally clear your mind.
TFOAF (122117 AM) Start gathering energy in your feet, and then you can move it, just by thinking it. It's pretty neat.
TFOAF (122129 AM) Move it around your body, and then after it's all over, move it to your head
TFOAF (122200 AM) (eyes closed the whole time)
TFOAF (122219 AM) Now start to think about getting out of your body, without actually thinking about it.
TFOAF (122242 AM) "pretend there's a rope above you, and you try to grab on to it and pull yourself up, without moving, and without thinking"
TFOAF (122311 AM) after you try that, you start to feel this feeling in your body, it's like the feeling of your hand or foot falling asleep...except 100 times stronger.
TFOAF (122314 AM) It doesn't hurt at all
TFOAF (122317 AM) It's soothing.
TFOAF (122332 AM) You get into this state of mild paralysis. Which...you can move if you want to, but you don't want to. ll
TFOAF (122343 AM) After that, just continue trying to exit.
TFOAF (122349 AM) And then...you'll feel it.
TFOAF (122405 AM) And I have yet to exit. Probably because I'm scared of what's there. Even though nothing can happen.
TFOAF (122411 AM) yea...and that's that ;)
Question (122442 AM) wasnt there some branch of the government that trained spies to do that kinda thing?
TFOAF (122514 AM) yes
TFOAF (122518 AM) except it was called remote viewing.
TFOAF (122529 AM) and they were able to see where people were without actually going somewhere
TFOAF (122534 AM) but they never exited their body
TFOAF (122542 AM) I forgot the project name
TFOAF (122619 AM) http//paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa123002a.htm
TFOAF (122729 AM) ah that's what it was
TFOAF (122730 AM) i remembered
TFOAF (122732 AM) Project Stargate.
TFOAF (122751 AM) http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project
TFOAF (122907 AM) I find it rather interesting.
TFOAF (122914 AM) Just imageine what else the government doesn't tell us. -D
TFOAF (122923 AM) Uhh...
TFOAF (122924 AM) few days
TFOAF (122931 AM) and I've been stuck in that same position ever since
TFOAF (122931 AM) lol
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 16:55:59
ilan please let us now how it goes, should I make an "Officail AP/LD blog topic"? Where all you do is post your dream or AP experience?
TFOAF
08-09-2006 16:57:59
Yes! Make a Log topic. Except make rules for it. It's specifcally for logs only. Other chitchat about Astral Projection goes in here.
I added the tutorial to the first post on the first page. Thanks YGF. )
And no dreams. Just any Lucid Dream of Astral Projection experience. NO DRUG RELATED OBEs are allowed either.
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 17:06:31
Made one
schf0ol3d
08-09-2006 17:08:28
Wasn't there some middle school level book that related to this in a way?
EDIT I never knew there was a specific term for this. I've never accomplished actually getting out of my body (the thought of not being able to get back in scares me), but it is a weird experience to try, as whenever I do, I just see darkness from my eyes being closed, but then I see the "darkness" turned into a tunneling, somewhat fogged vision. I then start to feel some sensation in my body, but as the sensation becomes more apparent, I quickly get out of it, because the thought of "leaving" my body just scares me.
ilanbg
08-09-2006 17:10:59
I use a different strategy than TFOAF. I use a mantra to get into a meditative state (which clears the mind) (I don't have enough experience meditating to have developed an actual mantra, so for now I've just been using, "Now I'm out-of-body"). Once your mind is cleared you can concentrate on leaving your body until you start feeling a tingling. Just take your time and concentrate on it as you make progress.
The biggest hindrance for me was that every time I made progress I would think of my body and it would all stop, and I would have to start over.
YourGiftsFree
08-09-2006 17:12:29
Well tonight hopefully I'll have a LD, and ilan will have a AP! Same with the others. Post in the blog if you guys do!
TFOAF
08-09-2006 17:14:55
[quotea8da85ff11="ilanbg"]I use a different strategy than TFOAF. I use a mantra to get into a meditative state (which clears the mind) (I don't have enough experience meditating to have developed an actual mantra, so for now I've just been using, "Now I'm out-of-body"). Once your mind is cleared you can concentrate on leaving your body until you start feeling a tingling. Just take your time and concentrate on it as you make progress.
The biggest hindrance for me was that every time I made progress I would think of my body and it would all stop, and I would have to start over.[/quotea8da85ff11]
What's a mantra? ?
ilanbg
08-09-2006 17:16:45
Something you repeat over and over in order to help achieve a meditative state. Everyone uses different words, apparently, but I don't know how they go about choosing which one.
cwncool
08-09-2006 17:34:27
can someone link me to other tutorials/methods besides TFOAFS (not saying it's not good) and should I be really tired before I do it or at least a little tired? is it hard? this seems cooler than LD's...
Bentley
08-09-2006 17:41:26
They should make a movie out of this kind of stuff. Do they have any documentaries on this kind of stuff or motion picture movies?
TFOAF
08-09-2006 20:27:55
They probably have documentaries on it. I don't know about motion pictures. I know there's a hell of a lot of books on it though. )
geej86
08-09-2006 20:40:34
when i was younger I had an out of body experience after I ingested some dxm. I layed down on the couch, and suddently I relized that i was infact floating in the air above my body, i was able to consciously turn my head and look down at my body (lying on the couch) as well as the room around me. Without going into detail i can say that I will definitly never do that drug again, but i am very glad I did it.
that was a little offtopic, but this OOBE talk really interests me because it was the most unique feeling i've ever experienced. i'm going to look into this AP stuff
bruman
08-09-2006 21:00:32
[quote047fb09c0e="Bentley"]They should make a movie out of this kind of stuff. Do they have any documentaries on this kind of stuff or motion picture movies?[/quote047fb09c0e]
Well, first of all, unlike lucid dreaming, astral projection isn't scientifically proven. That kills its validity a lot right there in most people.
TFOAF
08-09-2006 21:12:05
But AP is phyiscally impossible to "scientifically" prove with the technology that we have available today.
bruman
08-09-2006 21:28:09
[quote9da1dfe8e8="TFOAF"]But AP is phyiscally impossible to "scientifically" prove with the technology that we have available today.[/quote9da1dfe8e8]
It would be rather simple. I haven't really looked into it that much so I don't know. But all they would need to do is have one person in one room (the astral projector). And in the other room, in a locked door.. have a piece of paper or writing or some kind of object of some kind. If astral projection was real, the man would be able to astrally project, take his astral body into the other room and look/analyze the object. When he is back in his physical body, he would, theoretically, be able to describe the object in full detail/what the paper said.
It doesn't take that much technology to do that, does it?
TFOAF
08-09-2006 21:33:16
It's been done with OBEs. There was a sign on top of a hospital room, that you could only read either by climbing up there with a latter, or by having an OBE. There was a person who had an OBE and was able to read the sign.
bruman
08-09-2006 21:37:38
[quoteabcfe4aa1b="TFOAF"]It's been done with OBEs. There was a sign on top of a hospital room, that you could only read either by climbing up there with a latter, or by having an OBE. There was a person who had an OBE and was able to read the sign.[/quoteabcfe4aa1b]
link?
TFOAF
08-09-2006 21:45:28
TV. P
ilanbg
08-09-2006 23:10:26
[quote0562b9907b="cwncool"]can someone link me to other tutorials/methods besides TFOAFS (not saying it's not good) and should I be really tired before I do it or at least a little tired? is it hard? this seems cooler than LD's...[/quote0562b9907b]
If you fall asleep, then wake up for about half an hour, then fall asleep again, it will greatly increase your chances of having a lucid dream.
[quote0562b9907b="bruman"][quote0562b9907b="TFOAF"]But AP is phyiscally impossible to "scientifically" prove with the technology that we have available today.[/quote0562b9907b]
It would be rather simple. I haven't really looked into it that much so I don't know. But all they would need to do is have one person in one room (the astral projector). And in the other room, in a locked door.. have a piece of paper or writing or some kind of object of some kind. If astral projection was real, the man would be able to astrally project, take his astral body into the other room and look/analyze the object. When he is back in his physical body, he would, theoretically, be able to describe the object in full detail/what the paper said.
It doesn't take that much technology to do that, does it?[/quote0562b9907b]
The CIA funded a project that basically did this for a while. Instead of a piece of paper, though, they has the APers describe enemy military bases. They had a 10-30% accuracy rate, which is why too high to be dumb luck (but too low to warrant further funding, so they killed the project).
cwncool
09-09-2006 05:41:53
[quotecac0621c91="ilanbg"][quotecac0621c91="cwncool"]can someone link me to other tutorials/methods besides TFOAFS (not saying it's not good) and should I be really tired before I do it or at least a little tired? is it hard? this seems cooler than LD's...[/quotecac0621c91]
If you fall asleep, then wake up for about half an hour, then fall asleep again, it will greatly increase your chances of having a lucid dream.
[/quotecac0621c91]
I already know how to LD and have done it before. i was asking about AP...
TFOAF
09-09-2006 05:42:09
[quote2b503b252c="ilanbg"]The CIA funded a project that basically did this for a while. Instead of a piece of paper, though, they has the APers describe enemy military bases. They had a 10-30% accuracy rate, which is why too high to be dumb luck (but too low to warrant further funding, so they killed the project).[/quote2b503b252c]
Ohhh...heheh. I thought the government only funded a project called the "
Stargate Project[=http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project]Stargate Project" about Remote Viewing.
Do you know the Government's AP project name?
[quote2b503b252c="YourGiftsFree"]Well tonight hopefully I'll have a LD, and ilan will have a AP! Same with the others. Post in the blog if you guys do![/quote2b503b252c]
Wow. More telepathy, rofl. ilan had an AP. D
YourGiftsFree
09-09-2006 07:08:58
ilan had an AP last night?
ilanbg
09-09-2006 11:57:31
I slept like a fucking hobo last night. ( No AP.
ilanbg
09-09-2006 11:59:08
[quotef005a35603="TFOAF"][quotef005a35603="ilanbg"]The CIA funded a project that basically did this for a while. Instead of a piece of paper, though, they has the APers describe enemy military bases. They had a 10-30% accuracy rate, which is why too high to be dumb luck (but too low to warrant further funding, so they killed the project).[/quotef005a35603]
Ohhh...heheh. I thought the government only funded a project called the "
Stargate Project[=http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project]Stargate Project" about Remote Viewing.
Do you know the Government's AP project name?[/quotef005a35603]
I think that was the project I was thinking about. I was under the impression that remote viewing involved AP but maybe not.
JUNIOR6886
09-09-2006 17:54:50
after last night im really feeling hopeful that i'll be able to fully AP tonight )
http//www.astralvoyage.com/
hands down one of the best Ap resources on the net
TFOAF
09-09-2006 19:04:37
w00t. It even has a beginners guide. D
ilanbg
09-09-2006 19:49:21
Took a look at that site and it looks like a godsend. Thanks for that.
DIABLO
09-09-2006 20:18:47
No way I'm doing this O.o
I've never even had an LD (
ilanbg
09-09-2006 22:55:26
Something very interesting is happening to me as I immerse myself in all this AP information.
I'm regaining the fear I used to have of nightmares. For a while now I've been able to control my fear, even in the scariest of situations (both dreamt and real, though the dream ones are usually scarier). I completely freak out for about four seconds and then I go into a deep calm, the likes of which I never experience otherwise.
However, just now I was thinking about the possibility of having a nightmare and I could feel adrenaline being released into my body. I'm speculating this is because astral projection is far more real than regular dreaming, and that now the thought of having a nightmare is scarier because the things that happen at night are potentially far more real.
Just thought this was a bit interesting, and plays into a theory I have about all subjects The most ignorant and the more knowledgeable always agree on the same things, but for completely different reasons. Though in this case I don't think it applies very well, since I'm sure I'll 'conquer' my fear again once I experience APs in full.
J4320
09-09-2006 23:02:51
Good luck Ilan. I know don't think I'll be trying it but I would really like to read about your experiences.
TFOAF
10-09-2006 04:50:58
[quote5d2eac86af="ilanbg"]I slept like a fucking hobo last night. ( No AP.[/quote5d2eac86af]
My bad, I thought you did. P
Read something wrong. ;)
ilanbg
10-09-2006 04:57:07
Well, I tried it for about half an hour, and I came pretty close; I could feel my legs and arms and torso leave my body (not all at the same time, though). I came really close at one point but my excitement caused me to smile and it all went downhill.
However, just this half an hour really energized me. I haven't gotten a lick of sleep but I still feel pretty decent.
AP is supposedly more relaxing than actual sleep, and based on only this I believe it.
DIABLO
10-09-2006 05:04:01
I was just trying to sleep and I kept having them ? It's so weird. I just think of a blank white wall and close my eyes then 30 seconds later I'm floating. Every time I tried to do anything I got back into my body (
TFOAF
10-09-2006 05:06:04
I can see many of us are stuck at the same point
- vibrations
- paralysis
- eyes vibrating
- tingly feeling
And then we all feel ourselves rising...but we can't get past that point. We either do something that distracts us, or we have too much fear contained in our heads. ? And there's nothing to fear. (
JUNIOR6886
10-09-2006 06:00:23
im hoping with time, i wont get too excited/anxious everytime i get close to an AP. Last night i was too tired to try anything..... (
cwncool
10-09-2006 06:58:44
man. i haven't had the chance to try this yet, but I hope tonight i will. are all of you guys using the technique TFOAF posted?
irannaked
10-09-2006 08:48:15
DUDE!!
Is there a tingly sensation in you'r eye's when you "open" them?
Cuz that's what i got last night, and my arms were tingling like crazy, and it made me scared a little bit.
JUNIOR6886
10-09-2006 09:19:38
[quote0bab3ea452="cwncool"]man. i haven't had the chance to try this yet, but I hope tonight i will. are all of you guys using the technique TFOAF posted?[/quote0bab3ea452]
I use my own technique.... of course its very similar to one of the techniques posted on astralvoyage
TFOAF
10-09-2006 09:54:59
A lot of people create their own technique. Some people could use mine. It all depends on what they feel more comfortable doing. )
J4320
10-09-2006 11:35:01
Okay so you guys could actually see your bodies? And you guys could see your room? It'd be sweet if you guys could actually walk through a wall and look inside of it or something.
TFOAF
10-09-2006 11:37:04
Yea. You can. You can go through...anything you want. D
And you can communicate with other APers or other "spirits" via Clairaudience. (Through thought)
J4320
10-09-2006 11:55:34
Well I know it's been reported before. I just think it'd be cool if you FiPG'ers are actually doing it after most of you are just learning about it. I never thought it was that simple.
I'm sort of a skeptic at this and I'd love to see someone prove me wrong. If someone here did it I'd believe him(well I'd believe some people here, not everyone).
I know lying about it would just be pointless. Anyway, good luck to everyone.
DIABLO
10-09-2006 12:24:03
[quote453bb0fa37="J4320"]Okay so you guys could actually see your bodies? And you guys could see your room? It'd be sweet if you guys could actually walk through a wall and look inside of it or something.[/quote453bb0fa37]
I was able to see my body but when I tried to move I couldn't and then I heard a noise and then I as back in my body (
BOW TO ME!!! I didn't even fall asleep when I did it!
bow
irannaked
10-09-2006 14:20:01
I got a question, exactly what way do you lay down to relax?
I cant do my stomach, i focus too much on my reathing and it mess' me up.
On my back, idk same thing.
You do any exercies to relax?
How long since you first tried AP'ing did you get it to work?
TFOAF
10-09-2006 14:27:15
It's easiest on your stomach, since I've heard you exit through your back. But if you're comfortable on your back, then lay like that. Maybe you're supposed to lay on your back, I forget. I lay on my back.
You could lay on your side, but it will be hard, because you'll be uncomfortable.
And don't focus on your breathing, don't stop breathing though. P You want to disregard your breathing. Eventually, you'll breathe without even knowing it, just like when you sleep.
And there's nothing to worry about. So get all that fear out of your mind. ;)
ilanbg
10-09-2006 14:45:58
Huh, I'll dry doing it on my stomach tonight; I've been doing it on my back every time.
Killer722
10-09-2006 14:47:58
[quote197b71d894="ilanbg"]Huh, I'll dry doing it on my stomach tonight; I've been doing it on my back every time.[/quote197b71d894]
Well, I was doing it on my side. The articles I read never said you have to be on your back. Worked on the side for me, till I chickened out.
TFOAF
10-09-2006 15:20:59
[quote61e61178d2="ilanbg"]Huh, I'll dry doing it on my stomach tonight; I've been doing it on my back every time.[/quote61e61178d2]
I could be wrong. As I stated before, the proper position might be your back. I find the back position more comforting.
cwncool
10-09-2006 15:32:26
have any of you guys done it when you were only a little tired and not even wanting to really go to sleep?
btw, killer, that's cool how your post count is at 911 and tomorrow is the day to remember. lol.
Killer722
10-09-2006 15:35:15
[quote89c71bbcdb="cwncool"]have any of you guys done it when you were only a little tired and not even wanting to really go to sleep?
btw, killer, that's cool how your post count is at 911 and tomorrow is the day to remember. lol.[/quote89c71bbcdb]
Heh, very observant. It happened to me about 10 minutes after getting in bed. I was very tired and it was about 4 AM. I didn't end up leaving ym body though, just vibrated. And from what I read, after vibrating it's a sinch if you can overcome your fears. I might go for it tonight..
cwncool
10-09-2006 15:58:33
[quote3a2fd1dff6="Killer722"][quote3a2fd1dff6="cwncool"]have any of you guys done it when you were only a little tired and not even wanting to really go to sleep?
btw, killer, that's cool how your post count is at 911 and tomorrow is the day to remember. lol.[/quote3a2fd1dff6]
Heh, very observant. It happened to me about 10 minutes after getting in bed. I was very tired and it was about 4 AM. I didn't end up leaving ym body though, just vibrated. And from what I read, after vibrating it's a sinch if you can overcome your fears. I might go for it tonight..[/quote3a2fd1dff6]
are you using your own techinique or TFOAFS... If you aren't using his, can you tell me what YOUR technique is? Thanx
Killer722
10-09-2006 16:02:24
[quotef4d079b4b1="cwncool"][quotef4d079b4b1="Killer722"][quotef4d079b4b1="cwncool"]have any of you guys done it when you were only a little tired and not even wanting to really go to sleep?
btw, killer, that's cool how your post count is at 911 and tomorrow is the day to remember. lol.[/quotef4d079b4b1]
Heh, very observant. It happened to me about 10 minutes after getting in bed. I was very tired and it was about 4 AM. I didn't end up leaving ym body though, just vibrated. And from what I read, after vibrating it's a sinch if you can overcome your fears. I might go for it tonight..[/quotef4d079b4b1]
are you using your own techinique or TFOAFS... If you aren't using his, can you tell me what YOUR technique is? Thanx[/quotef4d079b4b1]
Well, I went to bed on my side and I kinda thought about what TFOAF said about building energy. I somehow kinda created my way of doing this by just thinking it. Then when my eyes opened, I didn't move, i read somewhere not to move and just fall back asleep. This reapeted about 3 times before I started vibrating.
TFOAF
10-09-2006 16:27:45
w00t. Killer722, and you have to keep that vibration process going for a good amount of time. Don't think about anything, don't move, don't scratch and itch, don't try and listen for noises. Eventually, you'll feel that rising feeling that I get to, which is that part I can't get passed...?
mushybubbler
10-09-2006 16:31:34
so im sorta trying to do this and I get really relaxed but after getting relaxed i try to "focus" my energy and nothing happens..what do I do? I liketry to build it up but i dont think im doing it right.. lol..i also try to clear my mind and I think i do but idk..this is hard.
JUNIOR6886
10-09-2006 18:54:41
building up your energy? shock
the key to AP is having your body fall asleep while your mind remains awake. Dont just have your body relax... put it to sleep
TFOAF
11-09-2006 04:57:17
Energy as in chakras, internal "not physical" energy. Because in order to release yourself, you have to have enough "not physical" energy. ;)
TFOAF
13-09-2006 14:53:50
Bumpy? Anyone else going to talk about AP?
ilanbg
13-09-2006 15:24:50
I tried a few nights unsuccessfully; in fact, I slept terribly.
I smoked ganja (heh, I'm stoned now, even) today so I'm hoping it will somehow help later today.
mushybubbler
13-09-2006 19:18:50
So I was reading on the Astral Voyage site and he said that you can time travel..is this true? And if so, whats stopping people from getting tomorrows Powerball numbers and scoring 150 mil? )
TFOAF
14-09-2006 12:44:23
[quotee000052b71="ilanbg"]I tried a few nights unsuccessfully; in fact, I slept terribly.
I smoked ganja (heh, I'm stoned now, even) today so I'm hoping it will somehow help later today.[/quotee000052b71]
Drug related AP is not such a great idea. You don't get the full effects...plus it may not even be real. ?
ilanbg
14-09-2006 18:02:45
[quoted07fabb9db="TFOAF"][quoted07fabb9db="ilanbg"]I tried a few nights unsuccessfully; in fact, I slept terribly.
I smoked ganja (heh, I'm stoned now, even) today so I'm hoping it will somehow help later today.[/quoted07fabb9db]
Drug related AP is not such a great idea. You don't get the full effects...plus it may not even be real. ?[/quoted07fabb9db]
I thought the MJ might relax me. I was definitely not stoned enough to hallucinate; I had smoked like four or five hours earlier.
TFOAF
22-09-2006 21:30:14
bumpy?
YourGiftsFree
22-09-2006 21:53:53
Im doing it tonight with others.
Berky34
25-09-2006 16:03:23
I got to the vibration stage last night and felt as though I were rising but I got scared as fuck and decided to stop. ugh, I'll try again tonight.
mushybubbler
25-09-2006 21:23:23
http//www.astralpulse.com/
very good astral projection site. Im still trying to do it but I can never clear my mind lol..it like starts then I think of something. Meh
x323smostwantedx
25-09-2006 21:29:32
I tried it 2 nights ago, I felt like my arms and feet rising a little bit and I wasnt scared but I couldnt get out of my body. Then after a long while I stopped trying and just went to sleep
TFOAF
23-10-2006 20:38:13
Uber long dated bumpy bump. D
ilanbg
23-10-2006 20:51:54
Hah, awesome. I'll try it again tonight.
x323smostwantedx
23-10-2006 20:52:35
I kinda gave up, im not good at it (
bruman
23-10-2006 21:03:46
[quoted1b8ac1216="x323smostwantedx"]I kinda gave up, im not good at it ([/quoted1b8ac1216]
It's not gonna come easy. It might take a couple years if you do it frequently enough.
TFOAF
14-11-2006 17:13:41
Any new APing success stories?
ilanbg
14-11-2006 18:35:31
Interesting that you bring this up. I went into the dentist's this morning to have a cavity filled and I felt all tingly while under the gas. I did not think to AP but I wish I had, as I'm certain I could have done so.
I realize drug-induced AP are suspect but I would have gone to another room in the dentist's office and found something specific that I couldn't have known was there (like a magazine or something), and verified that it was there after I recovered.
Anyway, no, none for me. I've been too busy to spend the time before going to bed. (I'll try again tonight, though, since I'm relatively rested and it's early.)
TFOAF
14-11-2006 18:37:41
Heh. Cool. Good luck for tonight's attempt. ^_^
TFOAF
06-06-2007 15:53:41
Bump yo.
aviendha47
06-06-2007 16:14:16
So can you do this AP without meaning to? Like if something calls you out of your body?
TFOAF
06-06-2007 16:26:48
[quoteffe3bc99b9="aviendha47"]So can you do this AP without meaning to? Like if something calls you out of your body?[/quoteffe3bc99b9]
It's a rarity, but it [iffe3bc99b9]could[/iffe3bc99b9] happen.
aviendha47
06-06-2007 16:48:28
I've had it happen if that is in fact what it was. I was going to sleep and I heard something and got up, but not physically. I went to the living room. A couple of my friends were talking about the current at the time relationship and what an idiot I was for being in it. They didn't notice me and I stood there listening for a good five minutes. I started to get mad and when I started to have the strong emotions I ended up back in my body. I got up, for real this time and went to confront my friends. I told them what I had heard and they didn't believe me, they couldn't understand why I knew and could quote the crap they spewing about my life. Anyways, I don't know if that qualifies but it was really freaky nonetheless. It's never happened since, I mostly LD if anything.
TFOAF
06-06-2007 17:00:36
Nope, aviendha47, that wasn't a LD. That was a real AP/OBE. )
aviendha47
06-06-2007 17:28:55
Now I just have to figure out how to do it on command. )
TFOAF
07-06-2007 16:39:29
Heh, I've been trying for three years, and I havn't had any success yet. (
ilanbg
07-06-2007 17:13:56
Grr, I can't tell if the effort I'm putting into AP is worth the payoff compared to lucidity, which I can achieve fairly easily (and, more importantly, can experiment with; even if I [i4ee1072721]were[/i4ee1072721] able to start projecting, I can only imagine how long it'd take to start doing unique things).
aviendha47
07-06-2007 17:28:50
[quote3e17d167d6="ilanbg"]Grr, I can't tell if the effort I'm putting into AP is worth the payoff compared to lucidity, which I can achieve fairly easily (and, more importantly, can experiment with; even if I [i3e17d167d6]were[/i3e17d167d6] able to start projecting, I can only imagine how long it'd take to start doing unique things).[/quote3e17d167d6]
I'd say keep trying. It's a great feeling. Keep calm.
J4320
02-08-2008 13:09:28
Well I just involuntarily experienced this earlier this morning and it was absolutely bizarre. At first I was very uncomfortable with it but then I embraced it and kept going. It's really really fucking weird and I've never felt anything like it. I could feel whatever this "consciousness" was leaving my body as a "ghost." That's as best as I can describe it. I was laying on my side and I started pulling myself out of my body with my mind. It started getting sort of "metaphysically painful" and I couldn't pull my consciousness all the way out. Eventually I started losing focus and I couldn't do it anymore.
Everything is so confusing for me right now. When I randomly feel like looking at the time it's always, 1111, 444, and etc. Last night in my bathroom, there was a clock that wasn't even set properly said 222 when I went to go take a piss. I've read about it before. It's called synchronicity but I never thought it'd happen to me.
And then before I was astrally projecting this morning I was in some sort of deep trance and I was flying through this tunnel colored with black and white checkers. My mind felt like the stomach when it's falling. And no, none of this stuff was while I was sleeping. This was after I woke up. I was just meditating by myself.
All of this stuff is happening so suddenly it's almost overwhelming. I have never been on this turf in my mind. There is a whole extra dimension of the mind that I've never utilized and something just randomly forced me into it this morning.
I told my parents and then they start getting angry and yelling at me me for "getting into demonic and new age crap" then they start making fun of me. What the fuck? I didn't choose for this to happen. I'm glad it did though. It's given me a whole new angle on everything. I told them that I'm never telling them about any of these experiences ever again and now they're acting all sorry and etc. and they want me to tell them. Too late.
TravMan162
02-08-2008 13:17:15
that's a pretty sweet story.
i'm a firm believer that there are parts of our brain that go unused by the average person, but are able to be used with focused concentration by someone willing to put in the effort. That's pretty sweet to know that something like that actually does exist.
I've heard of this synchronicity thing before, and I've heard of a few examples, such as putting two pendulum clocks together will eventually cause them to tick in sync with each other and like if women spend all day every day together, their menstrual cycles will become closer and closer together until they occur at virtually the same time and all this other weird shit.
there's so much stuff we just don't know of yet.
TFOAF
02-08-2008 13:25:59
[quotec1ee44a794="J4320"]Well I just involuntarily experienced this earlier this morning and it was absolutely bizarre. At first I was very uncomfortable with it but then I embraced it and kept going. It's really really fucking weird and I've never felt anything like it. I could feel whatever this "consciousness" was leaving my body as a "ghost." That's as best as I can describe it. I was laying on my side and I started pulling myself out of my body with my mind. It started getting sort of "metaphysically painful" and I couldn't pull my consciousness all the way out. Eventually I started losing focus and I couldn't do it anymore.
Everything is so confusing for me right now. When I randomly feel like looking at the time it's always, 1111, 444, and etc. Last night in my bathroom, there was a clock that wasn't even set properly said 222 when I went to go take a piss. I've read about it before. It's called synchronicity but I never thought it'd happen to me.
And then before I was astrally projecting this morning I was in some sort of deep trance and I was flying through this tunnel colored with black and white checkers. My mind felt like the stomach when it's falling. And no, none of this stuff was while I was sleeping. This was after I woke up. I was just meditating by myself.
All of this stuff is happening so suddenly it's almost overwhelming. I have never been on this turf in my mind. There is a whole extra dimension of the mind that I've never utilized and something just randomly forced me into it this morning.
I told my parents and then they start getting angry and yelling at me me for "getting into demonic and new age crap" then they start making fun of me. What the fuck? I didn't choose for this to happen. I'm glad it did though. It's given me a whole new angle on everything. I told them that I'm never telling them about any of these experiences ever again and now they're acting all sorry and etc. and they want me to tell them. Too late.[/quotec1ee44a794]
Awesome man. D
J4320
02-08-2008 13:35:20
[quote5cff59eeb9="J4320"][quote5cff59eeb9="TFOAF"]Why do you have a hard time believe that "I almost did it," [b5cff59eeb9]J4320[/b5cff59eeb9]? I don't get it...
I've felt it...I felt myself leaving my body...literally. Whatever. Believe what you want.[/quote5cff59eeb9]
Well it's not because it's just you, I just have a hard time believing people when they say stuff like this. I'm sure you could have and it's possible but I was under the impression that it was kind of rare to happen.
Your mind and imagination are tricky things. You may have had a dream about having an OBE when not actually having one.[/quote5cff59eeb9]
This was not a hallucination. There is no "believing" in astral projection. I was in my right mind and actually thinking and using logic while doing this. I was "sober" per se. Not drowsy and dreaming. I was awake but in sort of lucid trance that I calmly brought myself into. I don't know what the fuck it is but it is real. It doesn't have to be "spiritual" or anything. It exists. Maybe there will be some kind of scientific explanation sometime. It'd be pretty hard to test and observe because it's all an inside experience of the user. But damn. It feels good to have something special like this happen to me.