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x323smostwantedx

05-09-2006 18:41:18

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Gooogler

05-09-2006 18:41:38

[quote6e728b9ea7="johnjimjones"][quote6e728b9ea7="doylnea"]Anyone else not surprised to see OMW and Googler as the first two posts in this thread?[/quote6e728b9ea7][/quote6e728b9ea7]

Last I checked, that warranted a 1 day ban... wink

OldManWrigley

05-09-2006 18:44:20

I don't get it.....

Just forget it, I'll just go google it.

J4320

05-09-2006 18:46:40

I think there's nothing wrong with masturbating.

KeithA

05-09-2006 18:51:01

Here's your paper. Call it "Knowing thyself...in private."

[quote5ae60a36c8]Karl Marx once compared philosophy to masturbation, essentially seeing both as privative, idealistic, & impractical activities. Indeed, many lay folk see philosophers as "wankers." While the present state of universities does throw doubt on the liberatory character of contemporary philosophy, Marx's jibe nonetheless mischaracterizes masturbation. This paper is a brief attempt to correct Marx's characterization of masturbation by drawing on the work of a thinker often associated with "intellectual onanism" Martin Heidegger. Speaking ontologically, Heidegger's theories can be developed to show that masturbation it is not privative, but "stretched" in time & place. Moreover, masturbation plays a practical role in the creative development of the self, including the self's essential bodiliness. While not necessarily defending philosophy against Marx's charges, this paper does show how even so-called "onanistic" philosophy might be redeemed. Adapted from the source document.[/quote5ae60a36c8]

OldManWrigley

05-09-2006 18:53:09

Thank you very, very much. I'll take that, switch a few words around, and hopefully get a good grade.....

+KMA

JordanE

05-09-2006 18:53:33

masturbating is fine.

michae229

05-09-2006 18:55:59

i dont see a problem if you dont do it you will get a wet dream anyway

JUNIOR6886

05-09-2006 18:57:30

As long as its done in private.... its fine

Daggoth

05-09-2006 18:57:48

I don't really see any negative side effects to this. Like stated above, I really rather not have a wet dream every week or so.

Jams44

05-09-2006 19:34:21

[quote93a4b0be70="OldManWrigley"](Who's a [b93a4b0be70]nut[/b93a4b0be70] job)[/quote93a4b0be70]

am i immature?

MyungChunHa

05-09-2006 19:44:38

[quote4a3689cf5d="J4320"]As I always say -

Masturbation is like cancelling offers. Everyone does it yet no one talks about it.[/quote4a3689cf5d]
LMAO lol , so true...

CougarKid

05-09-2006 19:50:02

When I'm in a pissy mood and can't get it from elsewere I give hangela a little ring.

JOSHBOX

05-09-2006 19:56:02

If you're human, you have done it.

OldManWrigley

05-09-2006 20:00:14

[quote4be1341c3a="CougarKid"]When I'm in a pissy mood and can't get it from elsewere I give hangela a little ring.[/quote4be1341c3a]

Hangela?

Daggoth

05-09-2006 20:02:43

I swear if this thread hits two pages...

Aurelius

05-09-2006 20:02:47

[quote8e9e18b165="JOSHBOX"]If you're human, you have done it.[/quote8e9e18b165]

damn right.. i love how in middle school some super devout catholic kid swore he never did anything unchaste and all and then the teacher found a maxim mag in his desk... roll

Gooogler

05-09-2006 20:03:39

Really? lol

Admin

05-09-2006 20:19:29

[quotec0183d6b1e="JUNIOR6886"]As long as its done in private.... its fine[/quotec0183d6b1e]

"private" as in "not in public" or "private" as in "solo"?

OldManWrigley

05-09-2006 20:25:50

[quotec6da0cf51f="Admin"][quotec6da0cf51f="JUNIOR6886"]As long as its done in private.... its fine[/quotec6da0cf51f]

"private" as in "not in public" or "private" as in "solo"?[/quotec6da0cf51f]

tylerc

05-09-2006 20:35:33

As long as it doesn't interfere with other aspects of your life, it's a good thing.

My vast amount of research has failed to yield anything other than the above sentence.

Plus, you can't get STDs from yourself and you can't impregnate yourself (well, you can, maybe, but in general, no).

egyptianruin

05-09-2006 22:48:53

[quote2f9529a32a="J4320"]As I always say -

Masturbation is like cancelling offers. Everyone does it yet no one talks about it.[/quote2f9529a32a]

lmao lol

kdollar

05-09-2006 22:52:49

in religion, masturbation is a sin.

tylerc

05-09-2006 22:54:23

So is going out to dinner, it's a waste of money to some people since you can cook yourself.

CougarKid

05-09-2006 23:11:30

[quote80086a3972="OldManWrigley"][quote80086a3972="CougarKid"]When I'm in a pissy mood and can't get it from elsewere I give hangela a little ring.[/quote80086a3972]

Hangela?[/quote80086a3972]

Think it out. shock

ilanbg

06-09-2006 00:00:10

Guys it is so bad don't ever do it or you'll go blind it's been scientifically proven.

h3x

06-09-2006 01:42:01

.... this board is becoming more and more dead to me each day ... ?

KeithA

06-09-2006 03:30:30

[quote803b63c9e6="h3x"].... this board is becoming more and more dead to me each day ... ?[/quote803b63c9e6]

Thanks for the update

h3x

06-09-2006 03:37:51

[quoteabb86a0658="KeithA"][quoteabb86a0658="h3x"].... this board is becoming more and more dead to me each day ... ?[/quoteabb86a0658]

Thanks for the update[/quoteabb86a0658]

Verða Gòður.

DIABLO

06-09-2006 04:36:17

[quotea823eb5bb4="ilanbg"]Guys it is so bad don't ever do it or you'll go blind it's been scientifically proven.[/quotea823eb5bb4]

Your stupid.

CollidgeGraduit

06-09-2006 04:47:28

I love how sarcasm / subtlety is lost on people

JUNIOR6886

06-09-2006 04:55:20

[quotec55c001201="Admin"][quotec55c001201="JUNIOR6886"]As long as its done in private.... its fine[/quotec55c001201]

"private" as in "not in public" or "private" as in "solo"?[/quotec55c001201]

Private as in solo and not in public. I dont see the point of doing it near anyone else; even in a bedroom.

J4320

06-09-2006 08:54:35

[quotea6525dc1fe="DIABLO"][quotea6525dc1fe="ilanbg"]Guys it is so bad don't ever do it or you'll go blind it's been scientifically proven.[/quotea6525dc1fe]

Your stupid.[/quotea6525dc1fe]

At least he knows how to differentiate between "your" and "you're" lolz.

And he's totally right. You also grow hairy palms.

Admin

06-09-2006 09:04:58

[quote91ed871bbb="JUNIOR6886"]Private as in solo and not in public. I dont see the point of doing it near anyone else; even in a bedroom.[/quote91ed871bbb]

oh junior, you have so much to learn

CollidgeGraduit

06-09-2006 09:05:46

[quote1ceeab49ad="Admin"][quote1ceeab49ad="JUNIOR6886"]Private as in solo and not in public. I dont see the point of doing it near anyone else; even in a bedroom.[/quote1ceeab49ad]

oh junior, you have so much to learn[/quote1ceeab49ad]

Shhhhhh! playful

kdollar

06-09-2006 09:35:04

Guys seriously........this is not a game or a laughing matter.

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irannaked

06-09-2006 10:09:21

i heard that masturbating once a day if you arent sexualy active, makes the semen normal looking and feeling, not stringy...

zr2152

06-09-2006 10:28:03

If youre looking at masturbation from a religious perspective then yes it is immoral and sinful, but so are a lot of things in God's eyes that all humans do. I personally believe that ALMOST every male has done it (i know a few who have not). I have heard a case where a man wacked off soo much that when he got married he couldnt even get it up on his wedding night.

And that's sad. (

Wolfeman

06-09-2006 11:45:00

[quote87db50209e="Admin"][quote87db50209e="JUNIOR6886"]As long as its done in private.... its fine[/quote87db50209e]

"private" as in "not in public" or "private" as in "solo"?[/quote87db50209e]
You can do it in public, sometimes you get an urge...

OldManWrigley

06-09-2006 12:09:21

[quote6995bd5872="DIABLO"][quote6995bd5872="ilanbg"]Guys it is so bad don't ever do it or you'll go blind it's been scientifically proven.[/quote6995bd5872]

Your stupid.[/quote6995bd5872]

Funny you call him stupid because he doesn't want people to masturbate yet you can't even spell correctly......

liliYou're

DIABLO

06-09-2006 12:19:17

My apostrophe key is broken. I am getting a new keyboard today. That would mean that having sex would make you go blind. He's only 11 or something, how would he know?

Back to topic...

Since most of the people here are computer nerds it should be fine once a day, that is, if, and only if irannaked is correct.

By the way, nobody trade with him, he did True.com on multiple sites and has banned from the InstantDollarz network, he gets every offer on their network reversed. I have proof to back it if you feel like complaining.

OldManWrigley

06-09-2006 13:45:22

Me?

and lol on the "he's only 11" comment ;)

Berky34

06-09-2006 13:49:17

[quote065c8bede2="CollidgeGraduit"]I love how sarcasm / subtlety is lost on people[/quote065c8bede2]
srsly, QFT

DIABLO

06-09-2006 15:24:35

[quote994c24952f="OldManWrigley"]Me?[/quote994c24952f]

No, I was talking about irannaked...

I just had gotten my new keyboard so I edited my post so you wouldn't keep complaining -_-

theysayjump

06-09-2006 16:03:48

[quote397ca2bdc3="DIABLO"]My apostrophe key is broken. I am getting a new keyboard today. That would mean that having sex would make you go blind. He's only 11 or something, how would he know?

Back to topic...

Since most of the people here are computer nerds it should be fine once a day, that is, if, and only if irannaked is correct.

By the way, nobody trade with him, he did True.com on multiple sites and has banned from the InstantDollarz network, he gets every offer on their network reversed. I have proof to back it if you feel like complaining.[/quote397ca2bdc3]

Is your E key broken also?

Don't bring "scammer" complaints into here, this isn't the place.

Also, was your computer nerd comment made in the same sarcastic vein as others have been, or do you really believe the stereotypical view that "computer nerds" can't get teh gurlz?

Wolfeman

06-09-2006 16:05:46

[quotedf42f00fde="theysayjump"][quotedf42f00fde="DIABLO"]My apostrophe key is broken. I am getting a new keyboard today. That would mean that having sex would make you go blind. He's only 11 or something, how would he know?

Back to topic...

Since most of the people here are computer nerds it should be fine once a day, that is, if, and only if irannaked is correct.

By the way, nobody trade with him, he did True.com on multiple sites and has banned from the InstantDollarz network, he gets every offer on their network reversed. I have proof to back it if you feel like complaining.[/quotedf42f00fde]

Is your E key broken also?

Don't bring "scammer" complaints into here, this isn't the place.

Also, was your computer nerd comment made in the same sarcastic vein as others have been, or do you really believe the stereotypical view that "computer nerds" can't get teh gurlz?[/quotedf42f00fde]
I'm a computer nerd and my GF is fucking hot and we bang all the time dance

BD2006BD

06-09-2006 16:08:49

[quotecf09feb7a9="DIABLO"]My apostrophe key is broken. I am getting a new keyboard today. That would mean that having sex would make you go blind. [bcf09feb7a9]He's[/bcf09feb7a9] only 11 or something, how would he know?

Back to topic...

Since most of the people here are computer nerds it should be fine once a day, that is, if, and only if irannaked is correct.

By the way, nobody trade with him, he did True.com on multiple sites and has banned from the InstantDollarz network, he gets every offer on their network reversed. I have proof to back it if you feel like complaining.[/quotecf09feb7a9]

lol am I the only one who noticed this?? [bcf09feb7a9]He's[/bcf09feb7a9]

YourGiftsFree

06-09-2006 16:13:51

[quote2a8fef8514="Admin"][quote2a8fef8514="JUNIOR6886"]Private as in solo and not in public. I dont see the point of doing it near anyone else; even in a bedroom.[/quote2a8fef8514]

oh junior, you have so much to learn[/quote2a8fef8514]

Thats why his name is Junior! ;)

ilanbg

06-09-2006 17:19:07

The only way this thread could have gotten better was if it got completely off-topic, so thank god for this, at least.

DIABLO

06-09-2006 18:49:21

[quotedc99424620="BD2006BD"][quotedc99424620="DIABLO"]My apostrophe key is broken. I am getting a new keyboard today. That would mean that having sex would make you go blind. [bdc99424620]He's[/bdc99424620] only 11 or something, how would he know?

Back to topic...

Since most of the people here are computer nerds it should be fine once a day, that is, if, and only if irannaked is correct.

By the way, nobody trade with him, he did True.com on multiple sites and has banned from the InstantDollarz network, he gets every offer on their network reversed. I have proof to back it if you feel like complaining.[/quotedc99424620]

lol am I the only one who noticed this?? [bdc99424620]He's[/bdc99424620][/quotedc99424620]

Read my other post... roll Read before you post & complain.

Veek

06-09-2006 19:05:23

Some people here complain more than girls, and I'm surprised why those same people haven't asked "...how many fingers are you guys using?"

OldManWrigley

06-09-2006 19:07:14

Even if your " ' " worked, it wouldn't matter, you spelt it your....it should be you're - and if it didn't work it should be youre......

Sorry shrug

ilanbg

06-09-2006 19:07:30

[quote7e18206a03="Veek"]Some people here complain more than girls, and I'm surprised why those same people haven't asked "...how many fingers are you guys using?"[/quote7e18206a03]

I always assumed they'd be using vibrators. shrug

J4320

06-09-2006 20:18:20

...Because every mom/dad wants their daughter to have a vibrator...

ilanbg

06-09-2006 20:38:11

Josh, I don't think you read my post in context to Veek's sarcastic one.

J4320

06-09-2006 20:40:09

[quote4b9f218f4d="ilanbg"]Josh, I don't think you read my post in context to Veek's sarcastic one.[/quote4b9f218f4d]

Oh I get it now. P

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Daggoth

06-09-2006 20:41:06

The amount of sarcasm in this thread is amazing.

ilanbg

06-09-2006 22:21:35

[quotebf92866e48="Daggoth"]The amount of sarcasm in this thread is amazing.[/quotebf92866e48]

Suuuurrrreee it is...

Bentley

07-09-2006 02:57:13

If jacking off is wrong wouldnt sex just be wrong? Jacking off is like a past time/sport/hobby/job/group activity a lot of people including myself do it every day before I go to bed even after sex. Even my cat and dog jack off its not big deal just the clean up.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 06:49:54

What I can't believe is that people are actually seriously debating this.

It's not a debate if everyone disagrees with one another, and considering the age demographic of this forum everyone is going to be in support of it.

irannaked

07-09-2006 11:46:29

[quoteb9f30079ec="Bentley"]If jacking off is wrong wouldnt sex just be wrong? Jacking off is like a past time/sport/hobby/job/group activity a lot of people including myself do it every day before I go to bed even after sex. [bb9f30079ec]Even my cat and dog jack off[/bb9f30079ec] its not big deal just the clean up.[/quoteb9f30079ec]

LMFAO!!!!

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 12:10:44

[quote5c0d2917bd="Bentley"]If jacking off is wrong wouldnt sex just be wrong? Jacking off is like a past time/sport/hobby/job/group activity a lot of people including myself do it every day before I go to bed even after sex. Even my cat and dog jack off its not big deal just the clean up.[/quote5c0d2917bd]

I doubt a lot of people do it every night, even after they have sex......

I actaully think you're one, if not the only one, of a few.....

Perhaps you were being sarcastic?

And ilanbg - It doesn't matter the age group, or if you do it or not.....I know a lot of people that do it but know it's not right and it's "immoral" if you will......I just wanted opinions for a paper, which is already wrote thanks to a BIG help from two people on here, so whatever.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 12:12:46

Oh yeah, I forgot there was a point to this thread (your paper). oops

Bentley

07-09-2006 13:45:48

[quote1cf5f5875d="OldManWrigley"][quote1cf5f5875d="Bentley"]If jacking off is wrong wouldnt sex just be wrong? Jacking off is like a past time/sport/hobby/job/group activity a lot of people including myself do it every day before I go to bed even after sex. Even my cat and dog jack off its not big deal just the clean up.[/quote1cf5f5875d]

I doubt a lot of people do it every night, even after they have sex......

I actaully think you're one, if not the only one, of a few.....

Perhaps you were being sarcastic?

And ilanbg - It doesn't matter the age group, or if you do it or not.....I know a lot of people that do it but know it's not right and it's "immoral" if you will......I just wanted opinions for a paper, which is already wrote thanks to a BIG help from two people on here, so whatever.[/quote1cf5f5875d]

No one is being sarcastic in the thread because its not a topic to joke about Im just trying to prove how can it be immoral if its part of the reproductive cycle.

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 13:51:50

If you're catholic, and a do believe a lot of other religions, God does not want you to have sex outside of marraige, and never wants you to masturbate.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 15:44:16

I'm pretty sure Catholicism and maybe a few Christian sects are the only ones.

J4320

07-09-2006 15:47:47

Where in the Bible does it say that you can't masturbate?

You'll be looking for a while. ;)

It just says not to lust over other women. There is no talk about masturbation being bad in the Bible.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 15:59:07

Just because it's not in the Bible doesn't mean the church condones it.

dmorris68

07-09-2006 16:48:15

[quoteff16c0fc5a="J4320"]Where in the Bible does it say that you can't masturbate?[/quoteff16c0fc5a]
It's been too long (sorry, I'm a backslidden heathen) but there is something mentioned in the Bible to the effect of "man shall not spill his seed upon the ground" which is oft interpreted as forbidding masturbation, i.e. "wasting" the... um... "fruits" of your labor, so to speak. I would ask my wife who has a degree in Theology/Christain Education, but that would probably be an awkward question to ask her. lol

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 17:10:05

[quote560497d50a="dmorris68"][quote560497d50a="J4320"]Where in the Bible does it say that you can't masturbate?[/quote560497d50a]
It's been too long (sorry, I'm a backslidden heathen) but there is something mentioned in the Bible to the effect of "man shall not spill his seed upon the ground" which is oft interpreted as forbidding masturbation, i.e. "wasting" the... um... "fruits" of your labor, so to speak. I would ask my wife who has a degree in Theology/Christain Education, but that would probably be an awkward question to ask her. lol[/quote560497d50a]

Exactly, I had just opened a new tab in FF to quote JJ's question and respond with just that quote about spilling the seed.....

That is mentioned in the bible.....

However, we can't be 100% sure that it is referring to whacking it.

theysayjump

07-09-2006 17:15:46

[quote4e66287d83="Bentley"][quote4e66287d83="OldManWrigley"][quote4e66287d83="Bentley"]If jacking off is wrong wouldnt sex just be wrong? Jacking off is like a past time/sport/hobby/job/group activity a lot of people including myself do it every day before I go to bed even after sex. Even my cat and dog jack off its not big deal just the clean up.[/quote4e66287d83]

I doubt a lot of people do it every night, even after they have sex......

I actaully think you're one, if not the only one, of a few.....

Perhaps you were being sarcastic?

And ilanbg - It doesn't matter the age group, or if you do it or not.....I know a lot of people that do it but know it's not right and it's "immoral" if you will......I just wanted opinions for a paper, which is already wrote thanks to a BIG help from two people on here, so whatever.[/quote4e66287d83]

No one is being sarcastic in the thread because its not a topic to joke about Im just trying to prove how can it be immoral if its part of the reproductive cycle.[/quote4e66287d83]

If you believe it's part of the reproductive cycle, and you do it every day, you must have alot of kids.

I've never heard of anyone who had a wank and then out popped a wee baby.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 17:20:35

[quote80b0b51111="dmorris68"][quote80b0b51111="J4320"]Where in the Bible does it say that you can't masturbate?[/quote80b0b51111]
It's been too long (sorry, I'm a backslidden heathen) but there is something mentioned in the Bible to the effect of "man shall not spill his seed upon the ground" which is oft interpreted as forbidding masturbation, i.e. "wasting" the... um... "fruits" of your labor, so to speak. I would ask my wife who has a degree in Theology/Christain Education, but that would probably be an awkward question to ask her. lol[/quote80b0b51111]

Incidentally, this is why God always wants man to come on woman's tits.

J4320

07-09-2006 17:43:51

I believe the story of the spilling of the seed was God getting angry at this guy for pulling out instead of being reproductive and having kids.

And it was just for that certain case, not for everyone. That's my impression of it.

Daggoth

07-09-2006 17:46:26

There are soo many typos/false information in the Bible, don't even get me started....

And by false information, I don't mean "God created world in 7 days"

J4320

07-09-2006 17:54:23

[quote0a385d3edd]Masturbation is not a sin. God provided masturbation for man. Physically stimulating one's self to orgasm in privacy is not a sin. God speaks of it in Leviticus 1516. If you also read verse 18 the message is clear. God is speaking of two ways to have an orgasm alone or with a woman. He compares them on an equal with each other. There is no sin offering specified for either one.

God connected uncleanness (social quarantine) with both ways of having an orgasm. This was not a punishment, but a way to encourage his people to do it at the right time of day. If it were done at the end of the day, followed with a bath, just before sunset, His people would gain the greatest benefit from the release of endorphins to promote better sleep and the uncleanness would be virtually null. By this timing method, God is allowing a person to have an orgasm as much as once a day without suffering any significant uncleanness. It also discourages a person from neglecting his sexual feelings until he has a wet dream that would make him unclean and quarantined for the whole next day. Paul supports the principle of frequent sexual attentions in 1 Cor. 75.

There is a concern though, in the New Testament Jesus warns about what is going on in the imagination. He stated that lusting for a woman in one's mind is adultery. So, thankfully enjoy the great sensations that God created into your sexual organs for you to delight in and let those great feelings bring you up to orgasm without imagining any forbidden relationships.

The idea is not to hurry things. Remember that God is the Creator of your sexual organs. He is the Great Physician. He can help you discover your body. That is why He turned on your hormones long before you are old enough to get married and have children. He would not have designed your body to start producing the hormones that create sexual desire so long before you should marry if He had intended sex to be for procreation only. He turned on your hormones early because He has provided a way for you to take care of them and intended for you to do so. In doing so, He also intends for you to discover how your body works and what will bring you the most pleasure. Your future wife should be doing the same thing, so when you are married, you can show each other the things that will bring you both the greatest delights. Proverbs 515-20 metaphorically tells us to satisfy our thirst for sex from our own fountain, not to do it with anyone else; then, when we marry, we may enjoy it to the fullest with our wife.

Remember, Satan can cause you to feel guilty. The Bible says he is the accuser of mankind. Wouldn't he want to make you feel guilty about masturbating so you would avoid it and have no escape from his temptations when your hormones built up? You bet! So, now you can send the Devil and his false guilt on his way with the assurance that God's Word has clearly provided for you to masturbate. This is what 1 Cor. 1013 is speaking of, because without the provision of masturbation, man's hormones could drive him beyond his ability to resist the real temptation to commit sexual sin upon another person.

Contributed by Roy Dalby, USA[/quote0a385d3edd]

There's a little article for those wondering about masturbation and religion.

Source[=http//members.optusnet.com.au/~austbua/masturbation-sin.htm]Source

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 17:59:44

[quotee38de9dc7f="ilanbg"][quotee38de9dc7f="dmorris68"][quotee38de9dc7f="J4320"]Where in the Bible does it say that you can't masturbate?[/quotee38de9dc7f]
It's been too long (sorry, I'm a backslidden heathen) but there is something mentioned in the Bible to the effect of "man shall not spill his seed upon the ground" which is oft interpreted as forbidding masturbation, i.e. "wasting" the... um... "fruits" of your labor, so to speak. I would ask my wife who has a degree in Theology/Christain Education, but that would probably be an awkward question to ask her. lol[/quotee38de9dc7f]

Incidentally, this is why God always wants man to come on woman's tits.[/quotee38de9dc7f]

Seriously, crossed the line....

[quotee38de9dc7f="Daggoth"]There are soo many typos/false information in the Bible, don't even get me started....

And by false information, I don't mean "God created world in 7 days"[/quotee38de9dc7f]

How do we know that however long ago He created the Earth (What was it, like 5,000, 10,000 years ago?), how long the day was? Hundred bucks says it wasn't a '24 hour day' like it is now....Perhaps when he was creating the world each day was 10,000 years? HUH! HOW ABOUT THAT!

J4320

07-09-2006 18:05:15

Daggoth -

Typos in the Bible? As in spelling and grammar problems?

Daggoth

07-09-2006 18:15:51

PNAA - The day was measured in Israeli time, so yes, the day was still approximetly what it is in today's world.

J4320 - Just go to google and type in Mistakes in the Bible. You will find tons of articles on it.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 18:17:20

There are apparently more mistakes than words in the Bible.

JUNIOR6886

07-09-2006 18:24:08

this thread is 3 pages long? shock lol

unlabeledbooze

07-09-2006 18:35:46

lol, yeah 3 pages, this always happens when random stuff like this is posted.

Akademikz

07-09-2006 18:38:46

And it's probably about to get buck-wild now that people will probably take sides on that mistakes in the bible statement.

Bentley

07-09-2006 18:50:18

[quote179a3bba0f="theysayjump"][quote179a3bba0f="Bentley"][quote179a3bba0f="OldManWrigley"][quote179a3bba0f="Bentley"]If jacking off is wrong wouldnt sex just be wrong? Jacking off is like a past time/sport/hobby/job/group activity a lot of people including myself do it every day before I go to bed even after sex. Even my cat and dog jack off its not big deal just the clean up.[/quote179a3bba0f]

I doubt a lot of people do it every night, even after they have sex......

I actaully think you're one, if not the only one, of a few.....

Perhaps you were being sarcastic?

And ilanbg - It doesn't matter the age group, or if you do it or not.....I know a lot of people that do it but know it's not right and it's "immoral" if you will......I just wanted opinions for a paper, which is already wrote thanks to a BIG help from two people on here, so whatever.[/quote179a3bba0f]

No one is being sarcastic in the thread because its not a topic to joke about Im just trying to prove how can it be immoral if its part of the reproductive cycle.[/quote179a3bba0f]

If you believe it's part of the reproductive cycle, and you do it every day, you must have alot of kids.

I've never heard of anyone who had a wank and then out popped a wee baby.[/quote179a3bba0f]

Of course that can't happen because its only "part" of the cycle. Like I said this is not something to be sarcastic about.

benner410

07-09-2006 18:55:20

....back to masturbation?

tylerc

07-09-2006 18:59:55

[quote35fbdb5169="benner410"]....back to masturbation?[/quote35fbdb5169]

Go ahead and post your thesis on how you can't stop doing it.

egyptianruin

07-09-2006 19:18:45

masturbation and the bible...thank goodness I'm agnostic.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 19:24:28

Thank God I'm atheist.

theysayjump

07-09-2006 19:27:15

[quote44f962d1e0="Bentley"][quote44f962d1e0="theysayjump"][quote44f962d1e0="Bentley"][quote44f962d1e0="OldManWrigley"][quote44f962d1e0="Bentley"]If jacking off is wrong wouldnt sex just be wrong? Jacking off is like a past time/sport/hobby/job/group activity a lot of people including myself do it every day before I go to bed even after sex. Even my cat and dog jack off its not big deal just the clean up.[/quote44f962d1e0]

I doubt a lot of people do it every night, even after they have sex......

I actaully think you're one, if not the only one, of a few.....

Perhaps you were being sarcastic?

And ilanbg - It doesn't matter the age group, or if you do it or not.....I know a lot of people that do it but know it's not right and it's "immoral" if you will......I just wanted opinions for a paper, which is already wrote thanks to a BIG help from two people on here, so whatever.[/quote44f962d1e0]

No one is being sarcastic in the thread because its not a topic to joke about Im just trying to prove how can it be immoral if its part of the reproductive cycle.[/quote44f962d1e0]

If you believe it's part of the reproductive cycle, and you do it every day, you must have alot of kids.

I've never heard of anyone who had a wank and then out popped a wee baby.[/quote44f962d1e0]

Of course that can't happen because its only "part" of the cycle. Like I said this is not something to be sarcastic about.[/quote44f962d1e0]

I'm completely baffled as to why you think masturbation is an issue where sarcasm should be left at the door. ?

burritopunk

07-09-2006 19:28:28

I usually jerk it once a day.

Veek

07-09-2006 19:29:54

[quote49e4549eb0="theysayjump"]
I'm completely baffled as to why you think masturbation is an issue where sarcasm should be left at the door. ?[/quote49e4549eb0]

LOL. I've always loved you, bb.

Gooogler

07-09-2006 19:36:27

[quotebfa1c91e56="Daggoth"]There are soo many typos/false information in the Bible, don't even get me started....

And by false information, I don't mean "God created world in 7 days"[/quotebfa1c91e56]

The bible may be sprinkled with contradictions here and there, but all of them are filled with gray-area and open to interperation, please show me just 1 that is a rock solid contradiction and is not merely historical info like how someone was killed or what generation they were from. Show me something important, like a command or advice from God, something that we could still apply to our lives today. I bet that you can't find a single one of those that has a contradiction in it.

Daggoth

07-09-2006 19:38:04

[quoted9862129ed="Gooogler"][quoted9862129ed="Daggoth"]There are soo many typos/false information in the Bible, don't even get me started....

And by false information, I don't mean "God created world in 7 days"[/quoted9862129ed]

The bible may be sprinkled with contradictions here and there, but all of them are filled with gray-area and open to interperation, please show me just 1 that is a rock solid contradiction and is not merely historical info like how someone was killed or what generation they were from. Show me something important, like a command or advice from God, something that we could still apply to our lives today. I bet that you can't find a single one of those that has a contradiction in it.[/quoted9862129ed]

http//personal.bgsu.edu/~roberth/bible.html

I just gave you 17.

Gooogler

07-09-2006 19:44:09

[quotebaae9f5482="Daggoth"][quotebaae9f5482="Gooogler"][quotebaae9f5482="Daggoth"]There are soo many typos/false information in the Bible, don't even get me started....

And by false information, I don't mean "God created world in 7 days"[/quotebaae9f5482]

The bible may be sprinkled with contradictions here and there, but all of them are filled with gray-area and open to interperation, please show me just 1 that is a rock solid contradiction and is not merely historical info like how someone was killed or what generation they were from[/sizebaae9f5482]. Show me something important, like a command or advice from God, something that we could still apply to our lives today. I bet that you can't find a single one of those that has a contradiction in it.[/quotebaae9f5482]

http//personal.bgsu.edu/~roberth/bible.html

I just gave you 17.[/quotebaae9f5482]

Every one of those is exactly what I said not to give me. ?

Daggoth

07-09-2006 19:46:08

Either way, it is a mistake or contradiction in the bible. My point is still proven, there are many mistakes and contradictions in the bible.

Edit Also, if they were those types of contradictions, why would people still believe in the bible?

ilanbg

07-09-2006 19:53:25

Not to mention before the printing press the church would deliberately add or remove passages of the Bible to serve them politically. And not to mention that before the printing press it was monks who copied the Bible, all of whom would change it slightly to serve their own interests (this is where the mistakes originated from).

Unless I have the original copy of the Bible, it would not be possible for me to find areas where it's been dramatically changed, but every historical copy of it is slightly different and frankly the result of all these changes was a document that doesn't make a shred of sense.

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 19:58:36

[quote121a476b09="Daggoth"]PNAA - The day was measured in Israeli time, so yes, the day was still approximetly what it is in today's world.

J4320 - Just go to google and type in Mistakes in the Bible. You will find tons of articles on it.[/quote121a476b09]

Seriously? You're going to tell me that 10,000 years ago, we had 24 hour days? Well I'll tell you right now you're wrong, because I'm taking ancient history and I know that the 60 minute or whatever numbering day system bullshit wasn't created until like 1,000BC or sooner.....so don't hand me that bullshit..........

and ilanbg - you may be atheist, but please try to refrain from really pissing people off with your horseshit comments about God.

[quote121a476b09="Gooogler"]Show me something important, like a command or advice from God, something that we could still apply to our lives today. I bet that you can't find a single one of those that has a contradiction in it.[/quote121a476b09]

Let's look at the 10 Commandments? How about Thou Shalt Not Steal? I mean come on.

michae229

07-09-2006 19:58:44

you guys ever seen the ep. of m,oral oral when he kept masterbating i think he dad gave a good example why but i mean no one can ever just sit there and say i am not releasing no semen cause it they will get wet dreams isnt it the same thing?

ilanbg

07-09-2006 20:03:40

[quote0fab1a3c2e="OldManWrigley"]
and ilanbg - you may be atheist, but please try to refrain from really pissing people off with your horseshit comments about God.[/quote0fab1a3c2e]

I'm not saying people are not stupid to believe the stuff in the Bible (I still keep an open mind about religion and the Bible) but if you look at it from a logical point of view the entire story sounds like a bad acid trip or something. shrug

Daggoth

07-09-2006 20:03:46

[quote493e7da62e]Seriously? You're going to tell me that 10,000 years ago, we had 24 hour days? Well I'll tell you right now you're wrong, because I'm taking ancient history and I know that the 60 minute or whatever numbering day system bullshit wasn't created until like 1,000BC or sooner.....so don't hand me that bullshit..........
[/quote493e7da62e]
So you are telling me the world was created 10,000 years ago. Maybe you should drop history roll

Gooogler

07-09-2006 20:04:02

[quote80a341b565="ilanbg"]Not to mention before the printing press the church would deliberately add or remove passages of the Bible to serve them politically. And not to mention that before the printing press it was monks who copied the Bible, all of whom would change it slightly to serve their own interests (this is where the mistakes originated from).

Unless I have the original copy of the Bible, it would not be possible for me to find areas where it's been dramatically changed, but every historical copy of it is slightly different and frankly the result of all these changes was a document that doesn't make a shred of sense.[/quote80a341b565]

Some churches may have done that, but most did not. Also, please don't rip on the bible with your pointless opinions. Do you really believe that the bible makes no sense?

[quote80a341b565="Daggoth"][quote80a341b565]Seriously? You're going to tell me that 10,000 years ago, we had 24 hour days? Well I'll tell you right now you're wrong, because I'm taking ancient history and I know that the 60 minute or whatever numbering day system bullshit wasn't created until like 1,000BC or sooner.....so don't hand me that bullshit..........
[/quote80a341b565]
So you are telling me the world was created 10,000 years ago. Maybe you should drop history roll[/quote80a341b565]

No, he is stating that our systems have not always been the same.

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 20:09:06

[quotea9264cb084="Daggoth"][quotea9264cb084]Seriously? You're going to tell me that 10,000 years ago, we had 24 hour days? Well I'll tell you right now you're wrong, because I'm taking ancient history and I know that the 60 minute or whatever numbering day system bullshit wasn't created until like 1,000BC or sooner.....so don't hand me that bullshit..........
[/quotea9264cb084]
So you are telling me the world was created 10,000 years ago. Maybe you should drop history roll[/quotea9264cb084]

I am not doing well in history, I'll tell you that, but I was just using that as an example. Even if the world was created 5,000 years ago, 4,000, or probably even 3,000 I doubt it was the same system as we have now....

And thank you Gooogler for actually using your brain in this debate.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 20:09:08

[quote53aae0d1da="Gooogler"]Some churches may have done that, but most did not. Also, please don't rip on the bible with your pointless opinions. Do you really believe that the bible makes no sense?[/quote53aae0d1da]

I didn't mean individual churches, I meant the Vatican and the Pope. Part of Christianity's popularity is due to its political affiliations; it remained popular by changing to stay relevant to modern times. In order to do this the Bible was often tweaked to work in the Church's favor.

As for the Bible not making any sense I haven't read all of it firsthand so I can't really say with much validity. But its vagueness and contradictions make it difficult to comprehend in a sound manner.

Daggoth

07-09-2006 20:10:37

[quote06a96a594e]
How do we know that however long ago He created the Earth [b06a96a594e](What was it, like 5,000, 10,000 years ago?)[/b06a96a594e], how long the day was? Hundred bucks says it wasn't a '24 hour day' like it is now....Perhaps when he was creating the world each day was 10,000 years? HUH! HOW ABOUT THAT!
[/quote06a96a594e]
Yes, he did.

[quote06a96a594e]
Some churches may have done that, but most did not. Also, please don't rip on the bible with your pointless opinions. Do you really believe that the bible makes no sense? [/quote06a96a594e]

Some churches? There are two branches Catholicism and Protestant. I am not even going to argue with Protestant bible's because they pick-and-choose which passages they want and since there are so many branches of Protestant, it would be impossible to argue about each and every type.

Catholics
21
When he drank some of the wine, he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent.
22
Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness, and he told his two brothers outside about it.
23
Shem and Japheth, however, took a robe, and holding it on their backs, they walked backward and covered their father's nakedness; since their faces were turned the other way, they did not see their father's nakedness.
24
When Noah woke up from his drunkenness and learned what his youngest son had done to him,
25
he said "Cursed be Caanan! The lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers."

We are so sure that God wanted that to happen. That part was added so that people could justify cannanites as slaves.

Edit

[quote06a96a594e]And thank you Gooogler for actually using your brain in this debate.[/quote06a96a594e]

If you resort to ad hominems, what is the point of debating?

Gooogler

07-09-2006 20:14:05

[quote9969e4e191="ilanbg"][quote9969e4e191="Gooogler"]Some churches may have done that, but most did not. Also, please don't rip on the bible with your pointless opinions. Do you really believe that the bible makes no sense?[/quote9969e4e191]

I didn't mean individual churches, I meant the Vatican and the Pope. Part of [b9969e4e191]Christianity's[/b9969e4e191] popularity is due to its political affiliations; it remained popular by changing to stay relevant to modern times. In order to do this the Bible was often tweaked to work in the Church's favor.

As for the Bible not making any sense I haven't read all of it firsthand so I can't really say with much validity. But its vagueness and contradictions make it difficult to comprehend in a sound manner.[/quote9969e4e191]

All of that corruption and political influence was in Catholisism, which may be considered Christian, but is in a league of it's own when compared to other Christian demoninations. And you are correct, the bible can be difficult to comprehend at times, and it [i9969e4e191]does[/i9969e4e191] sometimes frustrate me, but most of the time I am glad it is that way, I can't really explain why...

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 20:14:23

Daggoth - WTF? What does that have to do with anything? I think your karma score is actually your age.

And I was just kidding about the brain thing, obvioulsy......

If you weren't using your brain, you wouldn't be on a computer so......

Gooogler

07-09-2006 20:17:58

I don't understand your point with all of those quotes Daggoth.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 20:17:59

[quote681b6fe95f="Gooogler"]All of that corruption and political influence was in Catholisism, which may be considered Christian, but is in a league of it's own when compared to other Christian demoninations.[/quote681b6fe95f]
Before the Great Schizm, Catholicism was the only type of Christianity around, and during that time it was changing the Bible. All the other sects began with a tainted bible.

[quote681b6fe95f] And you are correct, the bible can be difficult to comprehend at times, and it [i681b6fe95f]does[/i681b6fe95f] sometimes frustrate me, but most of the time I am glad it is that way, I can't really explain why...[/quote681b6fe95f]

What I want to know is how you can allow yourself to live by a book if you don't even know why you do it. That's nothing more than blind faith. (And in regards to that, I turn you towards a verse in your own faith Romans 1017[=http//www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ro%201017&version=8;]Romans 1017)

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 20:20:25

[quote8a28fd39f5="ilanbg"][quote8a28fd39f5="Gooogler"]All of that corruption and political influence was in Catholisism, which may be considered Christian, but is in a league of it's own when compared to other Christian demoninations.[/quote8a28fd39f5]
Before the Great Schizm, Catholicism was the only type of Christianity around, and during that time it was changing the Bible. All the other sects began with a tainted bible.

[quote8a28fd39f5] And you are correct, the bible can be difficult to comprehend at times, and it [i8a28fd39f5]does[/i8a28fd39f5] sometimes frustrate me, but most of the time I am glad it is that way, I can't really explain why...[/quote8a28fd39f5]

What I want to know is how you can allow yourself to live by a book if you don't even know why you do it. That's nothing more than blind faith.[/quote8a28fd39f5]

Faith is what most people who believe in God, or a God, go by.......

And Catholicism was not the only form of Christianity around......Christianity developed from Judahism (spelling?) and I believe something that begines with a P.....at least that's what my teacher told us today.

Basically....... I think it's Protastant and Catholicism came from Judahism.....Now how with Catholicism be the only form of Christianity? It wasn't...Ever.

Daggoth

07-09-2006 20:22:09

My first quote was about ODW actually did say that was when the world was created.

Second quote meant that the bible is full of mistakes and contradictions due to alot of tampering with it.

And once again, ODW stop insulting people, instead of their arguments.

Gooogler

07-09-2006 20:25:49

[quotecb0901dee7="ilanbg"][quotecb0901dee7="Gooogler"]All of that corruption and political influence was in Catholisism, which may be considered Christian, but is in a league of it's own when compared to other Christian demoninations.[/quotecb0901dee7]
Before the Great Schizm, Catholicism was the only type of Christianity around, and during that time it was changing the Bible. All the other sects began with a tainted bible.

[quotecb0901dee7] And you are correct, the bible can be difficult to comprehend at times, and it [icb0901dee7]does[/icb0901dee7] sometimes frustrate me, but most of the time I am glad it is that way, I can't really explain why...[/quotecb0901dee7]

What I want to know is how you can allow yourself to live by a book if you don't even know why you do it. That's nothing more than blind faith.[/quotecb0901dee7]

lol I guess you aren't quite as educated about religion as you think. Christianity requires blind faith at one point or another. But my faith is no longer blind, I have seen the lord in very large ways multiple times in my life, and I have no doubt that my faith is true.

Also, Catholisism was not the only type of Christianity, just the most prominent; so the bible is not as tainted as you believe.

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 20:25:58

I'm guessing ODW is supposed to be OMW (myself), and I'm only guessing your 12 because of the fact you're like 15.........

I have no idea when the world was created, anytime I referenced that I was just throwing the fact out there that there's no way in hell that our system we use now to measure time was the same even at around 100BC, or probably 100AD. And the bible might be full of mistakes, but until you read the original, and know the language so you don't have to translate it, then you can start saying it's horseshit.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 20:27:22

[quoted399f483d4="OldManWrigley"]Faith is what most people who believe in God, or a God, go by.......[/quoted399f483d4]

Romans 1017[=http//www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ro%201017&version=8;]Romans 1017

[quoted399f483d4]Basically....... I think it's Protastant and Catholicism came from Judahism.....Now how with Catholicism be the only form of Christianity? It wasn't...Ever.[/quoted399f483d4]

Protestantism was a sect that developed off of Catholicism after Martin Luther posted his 95 Theses.

Catholicism developed from Judaism, but what defined it as different was it believed Jesus was the Messiah (further changes developed from there).

Catholicism was the first Christian sect; the others branched off of it and its own branches.

Daggoth

07-09-2006 20:29:34

[quotebf279799a4="OldManWrigley"]I'm guessing ODW is supposed to be OMW (myself), and I'm only guessing your 12 because of the fact you're like 15.........

I have no idea when the world was created, anytime I referenced that I was just throwing the fact out there that there's no way in hell that our system we use now to measure time was the same even at around 100BC, or probably 100AD. And the bible might be full of mistakes, but until you read the original, and know the language so you don't have to translate it, then you can start saying it's horseshit.[/quotebf279799a4]

So are you saying that you have read the [ibf279799a4]original[/ibf279799a4] I don't even think it exists anymore, just mass prints that have been changed by the Church (even in Hebrew). Once again, if you want to resort to insults, do it to someone who cares. You don't see me saying "Hey, why don't you stfu, you have been banned like 8 times, and are known as the Condom kid"

ilanbg

07-09-2006 20:29:54

[quotee50fc93862="Gooogler"]Also, Catholisism was not the only type of Christianity, just the most prominent; so the bible is not as tainted as you believe.[/quotee50fc93862]

The other types of Christianity branched from Catholicism; it was the first Christian sect. It changed passages of the Bible (and sometimes said whatever it wanted, since only priests and monks could actually understand it as it was in Latin), which was later used by the other sects. The original was tainted, both intentionally and unintentionally, and all the other sects used the altered version afterwards.

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 20:30:16

Yeah well I wasn't thinking of Protestantism, but it was something. I know for a fact two religions branched off of Judaism....

And your little Romans "verse" doesn't prove anything........
[quote3267860742]So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.[/quote3267860742]

Daggoth

07-09-2006 20:31:58

[quote47ba04f65d]

Also, Catholisism was not the only type of Christianity, just the most prominent; so the bible is not as tainted as you believe.[/quote47ba04f65d]

In what language is it not tainted? If you read the catholic version, you can find at least a few places where people added their own parts to justify some political controversial topic in their time period.

OldManWrigley

07-09-2006 20:31:58

[quote956077fc4f="Daggoth"][quote956077fc4f="OldManWrigley"]I'm guessing ODW is supposed to be OMW (myself), and I'm only guessing your 12 because of the fact you're like 15.........

I have no idea when the world was created, anytime I referenced that I was just throwing the fact out there that there's no way in hell that our system we use now to measure time was the same even at around 100BC, or probably 100AD. And the bible might be full of mistakes, but until you read the original, and know the language so you don't have to translate it, then you can start saying it's horseshit.[/quote956077fc4f]

So are you saying that you have read the [i956077fc4f]original[/i956077fc4f] I don't even think it exists anymore, just mass prints that have been changed by the Church (even in Hebrew). Once again, if you want to resort to insults, do it to someone who cares. You don't see me saying "Hey, why don't you stfu, you have been banned like 8 times, and are known as the Condom kid"[/quote956077fc4f]

That's not insulting to me, whatsoever. I'm not saying I've read the original, but you haven't either. I'm also not the one saying it has a bunch of mistakes.....If you wrote a paper about abortion right now, and then in 3,000 years somebody tried to decipher it and translate it into whatever the language be.....I'm sure it'd be quite different then what you wrote, with probably many mistakes and contridictions, even though it was a perfect paper now.......

A lot gets lost in translation.

(Sorry for the double post, I didn't see Daggoths comment, only ilanbgs)

ilanbg

07-09-2006 20:32:45

[quote9d06c4afaa]And your little Romans "verse" doesn't prove anything........
[quote9d06c4afaa]So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.[/quote9d06c4afaa][/quote9d06c4afaa]

The verse means you can't have faith in the Bible until you've heard the word of God. (Gooogler already settled this though.)

J4320

07-09-2006 20:32:53

Damn Ilan. How do you know so much about these matters? I'm very impressed. I've been raised in a Christian private school all my life(now going to public) so I know a lot about these matters and what my teachers think about these things. If anyone wants to know what Christians think about certain things just ask me because I've heard it for years and years and years.

As for this discussion, I've done things like this before and it's pointless to argue about IMO. So if anyone wants to know anything about Christians/Christianity that doesn't make sense to them, ask me but I'm not going to argue about anything as it's troublesome and not worth my time.

Daggoth

07-09-2006 20:33:31

[quotec5d3ef4cdc]That's not insulting to me, whatsoever. I'm not saying I've read the original, but you haven't either. I'm also not the one saying it has a bunch of mistakes.....If you wrote a paper about abortion right now, and then in 3,000 years somebody tried to decipher it and translate it into whatever the language be.....I'm sure it'd be quite different then what you wrote, with probably many mistakes and contridictions, even though it was a perfect paper now.......

A lot gets lost in translation.
[/quotec5d3ef4cdc]

I agree that parts get lost in translation, but you don't add a verse like "Cannonites are slaves now because Canon saw Noah naked" because of translation mistakes.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 20:36:11

[quote13ef89f7a5="J4320"]Damn Ilan. How do you know so much about these matters? I'm very impressed.[/quote13ef89f7a5]

I've probably learned more from debating than anything else; that's why I love it. I've had this debate more than once, and every time I do I can refute more points.

Also, I've been using google every time I post. This is basically how I learn; I debate and argue with people (or myself) until I can't argue any more, and then I research the blank points so I can do it better next time.

Gooogler

07-09-2006 20:39:35

[quotec6c15b56df="ilanbg"][quotec6c15b56df="J4320"]Damn Ilan. How do you know so much about these matters? I'm very impressed.[/quotec6c15b56df]

I've probably learned more from debating than anything else; that's why I love it. I've had this debate more than once, and every time I do I can refute more points.

Also, I've been using google every time I post. This is basically how I learn; I debate and argue with people (or myself) until I can't argue any more, and then I research the blank points so I can do it better next time.[/quotec6c15b56df]

Why would you have any desire to mess yourself up with drugs and crap (I think that was you, and if it was I don't remember what kind) you seem to be an extremely intelligent person. ?

Daggoth

07-09-2006 20:40:59

[quote7cf68913cd="Gooogler"][quote7cf68913cd="ilanbg"][quote7cf68913cd="J4320"]Damn Ilan. How do you know so much about these matters? I'm very impressed.[/quote7cf68913cd]

I've probably learned more from debating than anything else; that's why I love it. I've had this debate more than once, and every time I do I can refute more points.

Also, I've been using google every time I post. This is basically how I learn; I debate and argue with people (or myself) until I can't argue any more, and then I research the blank points so I can do it better next time.[/quote7cf68913cd]

Why would you have any desire to mess yourself up with drugs and crap (I think that was you, and if it was I don't remember what kind) you seem to be an extremely intelligent person. ?[/quote7cf68913cd]

h3x is about to own you xD

Gooogler

07-09-2006 20:42:58

I don't remember what ilan was doing, but some can really mess you up (I don't consider pot to be one of them)

ilanbg

07-09-2006 20:43:18

[quote2d5d9185aa="Gooogler"]Why would you have any desire to mess yourself up with drugs and crap (I think that was you, and if it was I don't remember what kind) you seem to be an extremely intelligent person. ?[/quote2d5d9185aa]

I smoke weed about once a month (only drug I do). I'm making sure I don't start getting too smoked up to stay sharp.

In all honestly I decided to try it so I could know what all the hype is about. I figured I can't judge it until I've tried it. Now I just smoke it every once in a while as a way to relax and socialize.

Gooogler

07-09-2006 20:45:17

[quote095188c0b7="ilanbg"][quote095188c0b7="Gooogler"]Why would you have any desire to mess yourself up with drugs and crap (I think that was you, and if it was I don't remember what kind) you seem to be an extremely intelligent person. ?[/quote095188c0b7]

I smoke weed about once a month. I'm making sure I don't start getting too smoked up to stay sharp.

In all honestly I decided to smoke it so I could know what all the hype is about. I figured I can't judge it until I've tried it. Now I just smoke it every once in a while as a way to relax and socialize.[/quote095188c0b7]

That's cool then... Enjoy!

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J4320

07-09-2006 20:45:45

To be on topic with this thread what I don't understand is how Christians say masturbating is okay as long as you aren't lusting over someone. Yeah okay that's great but what do you expect people to masturbate to? The wall?

Gooogler

07-09-2006 20:50:56

[quote6dadfa43b1="J4320"]To be on topic with this thread what I don't understand is how Christians say masturbating is okay as long as you aren't lusting over someone. Yeah okay that's great but what do you expect people to masturbate to? The wall?[/quote6dadfa43b1]

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I don't know much about the topic myself, but I find it hard to believe that the bible says it is ok.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 20:51:25

[quote3d73766f89="J4320"]To be on topic with this thread what I don't understand is how Christians say masturbating is okay as long as you aren't lusting over someone. Yeah okay that's great but what do you expect people to masturbate to? The wall?[/quote3d73766f89]

Masturbate to the love you have for Jesus, of course. wink

J4320

07-09-2006 20:52:24

I didn't say the Bible said it was okay I said Christians say it's okay(btw not all Christians say it's okay).

Did you read that article I posted before we got drowned with a religious debate?

liEDITli

--in reference to Gooogler's post above Ilans--

Gooogler

07-09-2006 20:52:46

Dude, you are almost at 4320 posts, you have to make a topic honoring J4 when you hit it ;)

J4320

07-09-2006 20:54:29

Too late.

Gooogler

07-09-2006 20:55:56

No, he is only at 4200.

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EDIT I felt the smiley was appropriate.

J4320

07-09-2006 20:57:12

Oh yeah duh...

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I glanced at it and thought he passed it.

ilanbg

07-09-2006 21:09:14

I'll try to remember to post about it.

lol there were like 10 posts a minute in this thread and then the debate just suddenly stopped.

Wolfeman

07-09-2006 21:09:34

Lets keep this on point to avoid a

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Akademikz

08-09-2006 10:41:57

Religious debates have no place in this thread, or in general in my opinion. I've had the same debate myself a lot times with religious people and it always comes down to their faith and the lack of mine (in their opinion) - whether it be blind faith or not, that's the same thing I get everytime.

But I can see why Wolfeman wants it on topic, otherwise this could get a tad out of control.

ilanbg

08-09-2006 13:08:27

The conversation changes; if it's constructive why should it get redirected?

Try having a conversation like that in real life. There's nothing more annoying than someone who keeps saying, "But anyway, as we were saying before..."

OldManWrigley

08-09-2006 13:34:49

[quote1fe853798f="ilanbg"]Now I just smoke it every once in a while as a way to relax and socialize.[/quote1fe853798f]

See, it's stupid people like that that piss me off. Anyone who says they smoke as a way to socialize just completely loses my respect........

You don't have to smoke in order to socialize, basically you're just saying that you smoke to be cool, so that's cool.

-And the debate stopped because I went to sleep, not sure about Gooogler, but I passed out the minute after I posted my last "post"........

As hard as I tried, I couldn't have an LD (

ilanbg

08-09-2006 17:02:44

Nope. Smoking becomes the pivotal point of the afternoon; even though the group I'll be with only spends a few minutes smoking and then a few minutes stoned, we'll spend hours together hanging out. The smoking is just the fulcrum and the thing we have in common.

Not to mention people I don't know well are not very fun to hang out with until I'm stoned. It's a great way to meet people.

Bentley

08-09-2006 17:43:31

[quote49217267bd="ilanbg"]Nope. Smoking becomes the pivotal point of the afternoon; even though the group I'll be with only spends a few minutes smoking and then a few minutes stoned, we'll spend hours together hanging out. The smoking is just the fulcrum and the thing we have in common.

Not to mention people I don't know well are not very fun to hang out with until I'm stoned. It's a great way to meet people.[/quote49217267bd]

Hell Yeah! Blaze it!

theysayjump

08-09-2006 18:14:49

[quote0d152c3b73="Bentley"][quote0d152c3b73="ilanbg"]Nope. Smoking becomes the pivotal point of the afternoon; even though the group I'll be with only spends a few minutes smoking and then a few minutes stoned, we'll spend hours together hanging out. The smoking is just the fulcrum and the thing we have in common.

Not to mention people I don't know well are not very fun to hang out with until I'm stoned. It's a great way to meet people.[/quote0d152c3b73]

Hell Yeah! Blaze it![/quote0d152c3b73]

Ok, now I'm convinced you were being sarcastic in regards to the "no sarcasm in a Masturbation thread" comments.

chillywilly

08-09-2006 18:16:46

[quotef13af2deab="Wolfeman"]Yeah I see this going bad fast but might as well give a real answer...

Its totally natural and it should be encouraged.[/quotef13af2deab]
I agree. And I like the new avatar, wolfe.

(work has kept me busy.... had to curb my non-work web surfing)

Bentley

08-09-2006 18:19:16

[quoteada4098c92="theysayjump"][quoteada4098c92="Bentley"][quoteada4098c92="ilanbg"]Nope. Smoking becomes the pivotal point of the afternoon; even though the group I'll be with only spends a few minutes smoking and then a few minutes stoned, we'll spend hours together hanging out. The smoking is just the fulcrum and the thing we have in common.

Not to mention people I don't know well are not very fun to hang out with until I'm stoned. It's a great way to meet people.[/quoteada4098c92]

Hell Yeah! Blaze it![/quoteada4098c92]

Ok, now I'm convinced you were being sarcastic in regards to the "no sarcasm in a Masturbation thread" comments.[/quoteada4098c92]

Hehe took you awhile 8)

Dr. Doom

23-10-2006 00:15:59

liResurrecting an old threadli

[quote9491f94d0e="ilanbg"]Not to mention before the printing press the church would deliberately add or remove passages of the Bible to serve them politically. And not to mention that before the printing press it was monks who copied the Bible, all of whom would change it slightly to serve their own interests (this is where the mistakes originated from).

Unless I have the original copy of the Bible, it would not be possible for me to find areas where it's been dramatically changed, but every historical copy of it is slightly different and frankly the result of all these changes was a document that doesn't make a shred of sense.[/quote9491f94d0e]

I believe that what is mentioned in the post above can only apply to the New Testament.

It's unlikely for the above to be true in the Old Testament for a number of reasons, the most important being that the version we have today (in Hebrew) is virtually unchanged from the one that existed approximately 2000 years ago (before the establishment of the Catholic Church). Most modern tranlations, such as the New International version, where derived from the King James version of the Bible, which itself was translated from the Latin Vulgate (used by the Catholic Church after they translated the Greek Septuagint, which came directly from the Hebrew Torah). Interestingly enough, if you compare any modern or King James translation of the Old Testament to a Hebrew version, it's very unlikely that you'll find blatant omissions/additions to the former. The differences are actually very small, having to do with translating issues.

In general, you will NOT find added or removed passages when comparing different versions the Old Testament because they are all quite similar; it is not plausible that all the editions floating around at that time were altered in an identical manner to serve the agenda of a person or organization.

unknown uchiha

23-10-2006 00:26:17

...

THANK YOU FOR BUMPING A MONTH OLD THREAD!

It's still Caps Lock Day, I think.

By the way, have you heard of the term "History is not about what really happened, it's about who won and what they wrote down."

I'd prefer if we refrain from political/religious talk. It gets us all riled up like that Prizebook thread.

Gigante

23-10-2006 13:28:59

God must be hella horny since he can't jack it off.

ilanbg

23-10-2006 13:45:29

[quote60bd161857="Gigante"]God must be hella horny since he can't jack it off.[/quote60bd161857]

I bet God gives good head, though.

OldManWrigley

23-10-2006 16:55:58

[quote838ca31724="ilanbg"][quote838ca31724="Gigante"]God must be hella horny since he can't jack it off.[/quote838ca31724]

I bet God gives good head, though.[/quote838ca31724]

Seriously, wtf is wrong with the both of you....

Do you realize your stupid little words can offend 75% of this board?

Honestly, especially from a mod roll

[i838ca31724]
-hard to believe we were having that debate Sept. 7th, time's flying by this senior year )[/size838ca31724][/i838ca31724]

TFOAF

23-10-2006 17:09:12

I was kind of offended a little bit by it.

Thanks OMW. ;)

unknown uchiha

23-10-2006 17:17:52

liTaken from a standup act I heard

People get offended when others make fun of their religion. What about atheists? Don't they get offended when someone says "PRAISE THE LORD!"? Isn't it the same when someone says "Thank Allah" to a Christian?

/standup act

TFOAF

23-10-2006 17:20:05

It's not just religion. It's G-d we're talking about. You don't have to be in a religion, culture, or society to believe in G-d, or a G-d. Making a comment about he/she/it (whatever your belief) can be very offensive to people, even if it was meant to be a funny joke.

geej86

23-10-2006 17:23:34

why do you write G-d?

TFOAF

23-10-2006 17:24:55

Out of habit and personal beliefs.

Allen626

23-10-2006 17:37:44

[quote1ecd87a4f9="TFOAF"]It's not just religion. It's G-d we're talking about. You don't have to be in a religion, culture, or society to believe in G-d, or a G-d. Making a comment about he/she/it (whatever your belief) can be very offensive to people, even if it was meant to be a funny joke.[/quote1ecd87a4f9]

That was a EXTREMELY narrow minded and hypocritical statement. Please rethink it.

TFOAF

23-10-2006 17:40:24

What I was trying to say was...G-d doesn't have to be part of a religion. It's just someone/something that someone might or might not believe in.

geej86

23-10-2006 17:53:45

okay thats cool. the reason i asked is because alot of people dont like to use gods name in vain and i totally understand that.. but i didn't really get why you wouldn't want to type the word god.

i would just say... you really can't take offense to every little thing people say. everyone has different beliefs. if i were to say, 'god is a pos' it would be pretty idiotic not to mention annoying to some people but what can you do; nothin so just ignore it - i try not to take really stupid statements on internet forums to heart. thats to say one [i7cf565cacc]can[/i7cf565cacc] go overboard and say something so offensive that it would bother many members of the forum. just my opinion

Allen626

23-10-2006 17:58:49

You are using the word religion pretty conservatively though. If you believe in anything supernatural it falls into religion.

Im sorry my statement was out of place though and purposefully mean. Tolerance is the best way to preservere on the internet where it is basically a open forum. I try not to get offended at something unless it directly attacks someone and not there beliefs.

OldManWrigley

23-10-2006 18:57:04

[quote30f2f6fd76="geej86"]okay thats cool. the reason i asked is because alot of people dont like to use gods name in vain and i totally understand that.. but i didn't really get why you wouldn't want to type the word god.

i would just say... you really can't take offense to every little thing people say. everyone has different beliefs. if i were to say, 'god is a pos' it would be pretty idiotic not to mention annoying to some people but what can you do; nothin so just ignore it - i try not to take really stupid statements on internet forums to heart. thats to say one [i30f2f6fd76]can[/i30f2f6fd76] go overboard and say something so offensive that it would bother many members of the forum. just my opinion[/quote30f2f6fd76]

If someone where to say they did not believe in God, I wouldn't take offense. If someone even did say "God is shit", I would be offended, but wouldn't make a stink about it. Using aweful, vulgar, sexual references is just terrible, and I'm sure offensive to many people.

ilanbg

23-10-2006 19:01:02

[quote723163d590="OldManWrigley"][quote723163d590="ilanbg"][quote723163d590="Gigante"]God must be hella horny since he can't jack it off.[/quote723163d590]

I bet God gives good head, though.[/quote723163d590]

Do you realize your stupid little words can offend 75% of this board?[/quote723163d590]

At least you can take solace in knowing my heresy will send me to hell for all eternity.

Seriously though (heh), I stand by my statement. If God is omnipotent, or even just holy, then God must have the skills required to give good head (rhythm, no gag reflex, etc). Are you trying to tell me that God is capable of miracles, but not capable of great head?

[quote723163d590][i723163d590]
-hard to believe we were having that debate Sept. 7th, time's flying by this senior year )[/size723163d590][/i723163d590][/quote723163d590]
lol, I know.

[quote723163d590="TFOAF"]It's not just religion. It's G-d we're talking about. You don't have to be in a religion, culture, or society to believe in G-d, or a G-d. Making a comment about he/she/it (whatever your belief) can be very offensive to people, even if it was meant to be a funny joke.[/quote723163d590]

That's just because people take religion too personally. If I said something like, "weather doesn't exist," you wouldn't say that could be offensive, because you would just accept that I'm wrong and weather [i723163d590]does[/i723163d590] exist. If God exists, and you know this to be a fact, why do you feel compelled to be insulted when someone says something you take to be ignorant?

Same thing goes for insulting God.

[quote723163d590="Allen626"]If you believe in anything supernatural it falls into religion.[/quote723163d590]

The definitions of "supernatural" and "religion" disagree with that statement.

Allen626

23-10-2006 21:42:09

[quote0730e9775c="Allen626"]If you believe in anything supernatural it falls into religion.[/quote0730e9775c]

The definitions of "supernatural" and "religion" disagree with that statement.

Look up the definitions again. It is widely accepted by scholars that religion has to do with a belief in the supernatural in most forms.

Aurelius

23-10-2006 22:00:25

[quote90dc39e250="TFOAF"]What I was trying to say was...G-d doesn't have to be part of a religion. It's just someone/something that someone might or might not believe in.[/quote90dc39e250]

I definitely agree with that. I went to a Catholic school for 9 years but I'm not Christian or associated with any religion at all. I definitely think that there's a God out there but I don't see the point of having religion there since if I need to communicate with God, I don't necessarily need the aid of a priest or minister to do so. I understand that many people use religion to get more in touch with God and I totally respect that. In my mind, I think Ilanbg is a bit out of line because even if he doesn't believe in God, it doesn't give him the right to bash something that lots of people hold to be true in such an inflammatory way. Religion and similar stuff is always a touch subject and I think people should try to tread lightly without stepping on others' toes too hard.