What is the appropriate punishment?
hairyferry
04-09-2006 09:04:19
True story....
So a 6 year old brother and a 9 year old sister get caught naked in each others bed one morning by their mother. The mother asks them what they are doing and they break down crying telling them that their 15 year old aunt made them have intercourse with each other and perform oral sex on each other. I'm pretty sure a 6 year old can't get a boner but o well.
The Aunt is a 15 year old (the family has 10 brothers and sisters so this 15 year old was the youngest babysitting her oldest sisters kids who is 29).
So no one wanted to do anything legally, which I'm not sure too much could happen so the 15 year old ended up getting punished for 4 months. No phone, no friends, no internet, house lock down for 4 months.
Do you think this is enough of a punishment? If they were my kids heads would be rolling that's for sure. I was a little stunned by the lack of punishment. Please no flamming.
tml09
04-09-2006 09:06:47
What the fuck? lol
sorry lol. The 15 yr old should get punished. Those kids are gonna be scarred for life cry
Im not sure theyd do anything legally (i may be wrong ? ), but that 15 year old needs help somehow.
hairyferry
04-09-2006 09:10:22
hmmm no, how bout put your opinion in or don't post.
CollidgeGraduit
04-09-2006 09:12:59
I can see the lack of legal punishment, but that's not a good punishment. No grounding or taking away of priveliges can fix it though. There needs to be some counseling involved.
PsychoAU
04-09-2006 09:13:02
hairyferry... I never knew you had such a horrible experience as a child. But it is good to let it out. I'm proud of you. )
EnergyDrinks4Free
04-09-2006 09:17:00
Well, that's disturbing.
Seems an indicator of problems later on in life.
FreeOffersNow
04-09-2006 09:17:59
It's difficult to establish a reasonable punishment as one must consider what the 15 year old's motivation was. While there is no justification for something like this, does it seem she was "just curious" or that she had malicious intent? Perhaps some counseling would help. Additionally, if the parents were to take legal action, there are long-term implications which could very well stick with the 15 year old throughout her life. All I can say is I hope I'm never faced with a decision like this...it could tear a family apart.
hairyferry
04-09-2006 09:20:44
FON you are so right, I can't even imagine what kind of life the brother and sister are going to have. But, there are 10 kids in the 15 year olds family, so I have a feeling no one will ever forget it let alone leave their kids with her. The mother of the children I have a feeling will blame all the problems the kids have in life on the aunt.
And I did forget she is going to be having counseling
TFOAF
04-09-2006 09:21:27
[quotef0dfe677a5="tml09"]What the fuck?[/quotef0dfe677a5]
kdollar
04-09-2006 09:29:09
i got disturbed just reading this thread, its a sick world we leave in! (quote from sinbad in jingle all the way)
Jams44
04-09-2006 09:39:16
[quote350f550af5="kdollar"](quote from sinbad in jingle all the way)[/quote350f550af5]
I just watched that on HBO
TryinToGetPaid
04-09-2006 10:01:17
Personally, the aunt should have to go to the psychologist, and see if anything is wrong with her. Then she should have to pay for the kids psychologist visit, if the problems are not talked about - they will be repressed. And when they get repressed, later in life, bad things could happen.
cwncool
04-09-2006 10:04:07
no offence, i would make that 4 months like a a year. seriously. that's sick. i doubt she was "just curious" more like just a freak. i don't want to sound harsh, but that makes me sick.
YourGiftsFree
04-09-2006 10:05:19
That is horrible. That is such a light punishment for that.
ilanbg
04-09-2006 10:11:54
She would be in a therapist's office that afternoon if she were my kid.
TigerShark
04-09-2006 10:13:30
[quote6b29691684="PsychoAU"]hairyferry... I never knew you had such a horrible experience as a child. But it is good to let it out. I'm proud of you. )[/quote6b29691684]
I second that ) Glad that you were finally able to come out of the closet )
hairyferry
04-09-2006 10:37:19
umm, ok
Tsmith10803
04-09-2006 11:00:24
That's sick, hell if those were my kids, I'd probably move away from my family, just take my wife, and my kids. But can you imagine the, for lack of a better term, sexual tension the kids will have later in life?
If you don't mind me asking, do you know these people personally?
YourGiftsFree
04-09-2006 11:08:41
I believe Hairyferry is a cop.
BD2006BD
04-09-2006 11:26:11
[quote6d7e1c2b8d="ilanbg"]She would be in a therapist's office that afternoon if she were my kid.[/quote6d7e1c2b8d]
definately.. this could be because that girl is just freakin sick or she was sexually abused as a kid.
cwncool
04-09-2006 11:31:33
[quotee96a0ee444="YourGiftsFree"]I believe Hairyferry is a cop.[/quotee96a0ee444]
he is.
kwesi1
04-09-2006 16:19:10
the aunt should get treatment,and maybe they should find out if she had been abused when she was younger by a family member.
Daggoth
04-09-2006 16:21:11
[quote373fead24e="TFOAF"][quote373fead24e="tml09"]What the fuck?[/quote373fead24e][/quote373fead24e]
Well, I just got scarred for life.
nobody2000
04-09-2006 16:24:14
hairyferry's only 15?
I do agree that punishment was a bit too linient... However, she was a minor and should be tried as one. I personally believe she should have been court ordered into an inpatient-type counseling program and probation until she's 18 or 21.
Also, a court-ordered restraining order should have also been issued against the 15 year old to prevent this type of abuse from happening again...
But here's what I don't understand... The mother walked in and saw the two children naked in the room and they blamed it on the aunt... But the aunt was not even present? I don't get that...? The only thing I could think of is that they were re-enacting what their aunt previously forced them to do out of confusion... ?
ffactoryxx
04-09-2006 17:29:09
Thats sick. Do your really think 4 months time out is gonna help. If this girl is doing this kind of shit at the age of 15, she has mental problems that will only continue to get worse as the years progress. I would seek professional or psychiatric help immediately for this girl.
I mean look at half these sicko's out there. They go to jail for years which is 10000x worse than the 4 month timeout and do your think that stops 90% of them from being repeat offenders
DesperateForAss
04-09-2006 17:59:53
My question to you hairy, is did she admit to it?
irannaked
04-09-2006 18:07:18
am i the only one that see's that a 15 year old AUNT(!!!) is used to babysit, is weird?
some things to realize here...
15 yo getting legally punished will likely mean more help for her problems than anything.
i think that being lenient without seeking legal punishment is a cop out. no way in hell is anyone doing these younger kids any favors nor the kids the 15 year old preys on next any favors by NOT seeking legal retribution.
DesperateForAss
04-09-2006 18:14:27
[quote771af5562e="jy3"]some things to realize here...
15 yo getting legally punished will likely mean more help for her problems than anything.
i think that being lenient without seeking legal punishment is a cop out. no way in hell is anyone doing these younger kids any favors nor the kids the 15 year old preys on next any favors by NOT seeking legal retribution.[/quote771af5562e]
See, I don't agree with you there. I think that the 4 month punishment is enough... I think she think about it and realize what the fuck she was doing was sick and hopefully not do it again. If it happens somehow again later in the future then, yes, she needs some harsher punishments, or some therapy of some sort.
zdub08
04-09-2006 18:17:38
[quote5e72c9e24b="irannaked"]am i the only one that see's that a 15 year old AUNT(!!!) is used to babysit, is weird?[/quote5e72c9e24b]
how so?
unknown uchiha
04-09-2006 18:27:26
[quote56dea17a4c="DesperateForAss"]
See, I don't agree with you there. I think that the 4 month punishment is enough... I think she think about it and realize what the fuck she was doing was sick and hopefully not do it again. If it happens somehow again later in the future then, yes, she needs some harsher punishments, or some therapy of some sort.[/quote56dea17a4c]
Excuse me? I believe you are responsibile for your actions at 15. Being grounded for four months is a slap on the wrist.
I'm not saying that she should be punished with jailtime or something, but she should at least see a therapist about this matter. Also, there should be a restraining order placed on the aunt.
DesperateForAss
04-09-2006 18:32:36
[quote018390d707="unknown uchiha"][quote018390d707="DesperateForAss"]
See, I don't agree with you there. I think that the 4 month punishment is enough... I think she think about it and realize what the fuck she was doing was sick and hopefully not do it again. If it happens somehow again later in the future then, yes, she needs some harsher punishments, or some therapy of some sort.[/quote018390d707]
Excuse me? I believe you are responsibile for your actions at 15. Being grounded for four months is a slap on the wrist.
I'm not saying that she should be punished with jailtime or something, but she should at least see a therapist about this matter. Also, there should be a restraining order placed on the aunt.[/quote018390d707]
Um...................................... Excuse what? I simply gave my opinion. Everyone has different opinions on matters like this, that's one reason hairyferry posted here. He's getting everyones reactions. I do believe 4 months is punishment enough! I believe that therapy will be needed if it happens AGAIN, but shit happens, it's sick but I've seen sicker. Thanks!
My criteria is fair and just... She should be on probation until she's 18 or 21 and be court-ordered into inpatient counseling..
... and ESPECIALLY a court-ordered restraining order to prevent this from happening again...
She is a sick pedophile (even though she's considered a minor herself).. and sick pedophiles don't get any better when they get a slap on the wrist... They will just go back to attacking little children..
She isn't learning her lesson from a 4 month "ground"... She's just learning to find another way to get away with abusing children.
ilanbg
04-09-2006 18:40:24
15 or not, this is not something that a time-out fixes. This is not like eating desert before your dinner. Anyone that age who tries to impose that kind of thing can be suffering from a host of problems; it can be construed as sadism, rape, incest, and I'd say pedophilia but the kid is still a minor. No amount of having time to think will solve that; she needs a therapist.
Maybe the problem didn't even begin with her, but nonetheless grounding a person over something like this does not even address the issue.
She needs more than a therapist... She needs [b7169bdd583]inpatient[/b7169bdd583] counseling.
She needs a "timeout" from society to get better... Jail is obviously not the answer, but a mental health facility is the answer... She needs to get better and come to realize what she did was truly wrong..
not to mention the impact this had on the kids she molested. it is not like she went and flashed people, she had young kids act out sex acts on each other.
Daggoth
04-09-2006 19:08:51
I don't think it had a big impact on the little children. Yes, it is a big thing for a couple of months, but it isn't something that will scar them forever. I have done alot of stupid things when I was 6-10 (not at this level), and I forgot them.
ilanbg
04-09-2006 19:16:41
[quoteed17b6780c="Daggoth"]I don't think it had a big impact on the little children. Yes, it is a big thing for a couple of months, but it isn't something that will scar them forever. I have done alot of stupid things when I was 6-10 (not at this level), and I forgot them.[/quoteed17b6780c]
Basic psychology will prove you otherwise. If your only experience with sex was scary and forced and unpleasant, you'll have problems with it later in life when everyone else expects you to love it and want it.
hairyferry
04-09-2006 19:38:14
Hey guys, man I step away for a sec and i get some great responses. Yeah I know the girl personally. No I'm not 15, I'm 24. I heard today that if the girl at all talks to a friend, gets on the internet, talks on the phone, anything, she breaks the contract that she made with her mother and the parents. If she breaks the contract the father will get a court order for her to be put in a home for kids that have those problems.
Also, she had to get in front of her whole family, 10 kids, plus the kids they have and spouses, and tell them what she did and what her "punishment" was.
If I did something like that and I had to tell all those people I'd be scared outta my mind, but then again she deserves it.
tylerc
04-09-2006 19:42:27
Sex is like spinach, if you're forced to have it as a child you won't like it as an adult.
jadem
05-09-2006 08:54:00
Here's the thing...if the kids were telling the truth, then the aunt NEEDS counseling. Children who are abused tend to become abusers and it doesn't always manifest as adults. There are several studies that show this trend.
If she doesn't receive HELP, it might not stop. Her behavior suggests that someone did this to her, and she is acting out by having these children behave in this manner.
I could be wrong...God, I hope I'm wrong and that she wasn't abused, but those children will grow up, and possibly force their younger siblings to do the same.
It is a vicious cycle and will ONLY be stopped when someone opens their eyes to it and realizes that counseling is needed.
johnjimjones
05-09-2006 08:59:48
As much as "what the fuck" covers it, I don't think punishment is more vital than couseling/therapy. It's not like she didn't clean or room or didn't come home before midnight. Here's a really twisted act and the message really needs to get through to her from someone that what she did was horribly wrong. From my stand point the punishment was somewhat just, but then again, I've never hear of something like this occuring.
i think by legal punishment i meant that it HAS to go thru the courts for something definitive to happen.
hairyferry
05-09-2006 14:38:47
Jadem, No she wasn't abused. I know the whole family extremely well. Spent most of my time at the families house.