Building a new AM2 Rig--techies help me out
Crynos
27-07-2006 08:52:09
None of your links work, hehe, but seems pretty good to me.
Crynos
27-07-2006 09:05:31
[quoteec387c1fc8="Psyc"]None of your links work, hehe, but seems pretty good to me.[/quoteec387c1fc8]fixed
Crymson
27-07-2006 09:06:37
I would recommend the 4400. It is what I'm using, and the 2x1mb cache really makes a difference. Plus I have it overclocked to well over what a 4800 can do. If that is too pricey, I would just go for another X2 that has the 2x1mb cache. If you are running multi-monitors like me (or you just like to multitask a lot) X2 dual core is a must.
KnightTrader
27-07-2006 09:17:25
Get a SLI mobo, Just incase you want Dual graphics card later, small bit extra for future upgrades. I'm thinking of upgrading my A64 3000+ to a X2 4400+ I do a lot of video editing / rendering, So it should help XD. But Yea the mobo needs sli =P
Crynos
27-07-2006 09:21:00
[quote95d228aec1="KnightTrader"]Get a SLI mobo, Just incase you want Dual graphics card later, small bit extra for future upgrades. I'm thinking of upgrading my A64 3000+ to a X2 4400+ I do a lot of video editing / rendering, So it should help XD. But Yea the mobo needs sli =P[/quote95d228aec1]I debated that, but i dont think im going SLI in the near future.
AstonisheD
27-07-2006 09:51:46
i was gonna get sli but then all the asus, athlon 64 x2, socket 939 sli motherboards went gone for a while, so im probably getting non-sli. it snot like im gonna need it anyays, maybe in the near future
EDIT-
looks pretty good, i suggest another video card if have the money and youre a hardcore gamer (bf2 and such)
Brok3n_Sword
27-07-2006 10:05:16
Why not go conroe?
I got a MSI mobo with SLI. I got it just incase I want to upgrade to 2 cards in the future. Now that AMD said AM3 will be compatible with AM2 boards, even better.
Wolfeman
27-07-2006 10:39:47
I agree, get an SLI board just in case. I wish my last board I had gotten PCI-E and now I am bummed.
Also, G.Skill is not that great. I'd spend the extra $40 and get the OCZ
OCZ Platinum 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model OCZ2P8002GK - Retail
http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227089
Watch out with the OCZ ram, might cause a some problems when trying to install windows, but it's easily fixed. I just had to change the voltage.
Wolfeman
27-07-2006 10:53:50
[quote876044c103="Psyc"]Watch out with the OCZ ram, might cause a some problems when trying to install windows, but it's easily fixed. I just had to change the voltage.[/quote876044c103]
Really? Thats lame. If I really had the money I'd go with mushkin
mushkin eXtreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail
http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146108
I guess Corsair is good too if OCZ is going to be lame
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail
http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145590
Ya rly. I went through this whole ordeal trying to install windows. I finally found the solution on another forum.
http//hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1076328
http//www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?p=178735
http//www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22133
The last thread makes it seem like all the PC2-6400 sticks are doing it. I just think OCZ is the one most bought.
drummer_kew_03
27-07-2006 17:54:41
With the intel/amd price war going on, I really wish I had the money right now to build a new rig. I'd take the one I have right now and turn it into a media pc for my tv. I need to get a laptop before I go building a new desktop though.
AstonisheD
27-07-2006 21:59:41
[quote6efc90b987="drummer_kew_03"]With the intel/amd price war going on, I really wish I had the money right now to build a new rig. I'd take the one I have right now and turn it into a media pc for my tv. I need to get a laptop before I go building a new desktop though.[/quote6efc90b987]
amd prices dropped alot, my amd went from $354 to $199, so i ordered it as soon as i saw the drop, D its here already
KnightTrader
27-07-2006 22:04:25
I want an X2 4200+ Bad now, But Figure its too much hassle, [Flashing my mobo... taking off the dang heat sink, Taking out cpu, Putting new one in, installing new heatsink, and Resetting Cmos] May stick with my A64 3000+ For a little longer. Just gotta go afk for 30 mins + When video editing or just web browse slowly P. I'll build a whole new computer later.
AstonisheD
27-07-2006 22:09:42
[quote502fac540d="KnightTrader"]I want an X2 4200+ Bad now, But Figure its too much hassle, [Flashing my mobo... taking off the dang heat sink, Taking out cpu, Putting new one in, installing new heatsink, and Resetting Cmos] May stick with my A64 3000+ For a little longer. Just gotta go afk for 30 mins + When video editing or just web browse slowly P. I'll build a whole new computer later.[/quote502fac540d]
ha thats the one i ordered and got yesterday, athlon 64 x2 4200+
turpentinedreams
27-07-2006 22:37:07
intel prices got cut today.
and conroe is way faster than any amd available
Crynos
27-07-2006 23:02:41
[quote41d440bf79="turpentinedreams"]intel prices got cut today.
and conroe is way faster than any amd available[/quote41d440bf79]Are conroe prices competive with AMD X2? Havent read much
Brok3n_Sword
27-07-2006 23:10:49
[quotec5a618acd5="Crynos"][quotec5a618acd5="turpentinedreams"]intel prices got cut today.
and conroe is way faster than any amd available[/quotec5a618acd5]Are conroe prices competive with AMD X2? Havent read much[/quotec5a618acd5]
The $200 Conroe (E6300) can out perform AMD's FX-62. Intel has really done a good job this time and has convinced me to switch. http//www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802
Wolfeman
27-07-2006 23:11:37
Get an Alienware, those are fucking TIGHT!
Crynos
27-07-2006 23:22:09
[quote1b93d9fe79="Brok3n_Sword"][quote1b93d9fe79="Crynos"][quote1b93d9fe79="turpentinedreams"]intel prices got cut today.
and conroe is way faster than any amd available[/quote1b93d9fe79]Are conroe prices competive with AMD X2? Havent read much[/quote1b93d9fe79]
The $200 Conroe (E6300) can out perform AMD's FX-62. Intel has really done a good job this time and has convinced me to switch. http//www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802[/quote1b93d9fe79]Yeah, shit, i might have to change this to conroe, the e6300 is tempting.
Crynos
27-07-2006 23:29:01
Wolfeman
27-07-2006 23:36:26
Is the Conroe even available yet?
AstonisheD
27-07-2006 23:36:34
i suggest you look around for some benchmarks first before you change your mind.
http//www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/18/would_you_buy_core_2_duo_today/
they say its pretty much a [b75468ec019]tie[/b75468ec019]
and check this out
http//www.tomshardware.com/2006/06/05/first_benchmarks_conroe_vs_fx-62/page5.html
conroe vs amd fx-62 in gaming..
[b75468ec019]conroe beats amd in LOW quality but loses in HIGH quality?[/b75468ec019]
LMFAO.
Crynos
28-07-2006 08:03:30
On anandtech the benchmarks showed the e6300 crushing even in X2 4400, let alone just the 3800
Aurelius
28-07-2006 08:55:33
the benchmarks there are sh owing the 6300 and an fx-62.... i doubt crynos is gonna drop a four spot on the proc.... overclocking headroom on the 6300 looks good too but maybe not with the generic intel mobo you're looking at
my personal experience with OCZ memory is outstanding. one of my stikcs of memory got zapped by a power surge and OCZ was not only willing to replace it but they also sent me a dual channel kit that cost twice as much as the one i bought. their customer service was prompt and friendly and i have nothing but good things to say about them.
AstonisheD
28-07-2006 11:31:40
yeah it was a fx-62, not x2 4400, or 3800 (of course coonroe would beat those because conroe is the newest best intel processor).. but i dont think youre gonna get that, you were gonna get the other amd.. and yeah core duo 2 is better than the one you were gonna get, but if you read the whole article of the benchmarks it would say that theyre pretty much tied for now.
for now because intel claims to release the top line core duo 2.
Aurelius
28-07-2006 15:40:08
if you're building a rig right now. it'd be way smarter to get a conroe. the only thing am2 has going for it is that there are better motherboards out there for it but if you're willing to wait a bit until asus, abit, or dfi get some decent (performance and price-wise) boards... the low-end conroe would definately serve you much better no matter what you do.
Wolfeman
03-08-2006 12:55:31
Where can you even buy Conroe except for Dell right now?
ffactoryxx
03-08-2006 14:04:06
Hey why not opt out of the AMD setup and go with a INTEL chip
The Pentium D is $97 from newegg. Its dual core and with a good after market heatsink/fan or water cooling, the chip will do around 4ghz.
This chip doesnt run hot either. My friend got one and is at 4ghz rock solid stable
Use the $ saved to juice up the power supply or for case fans or a good hsf
The chip outperforms the fastest processors from AMD (Athlon 64 FX-60) and Intel (Pentium Extreme Edition 965), each of which costs over $1,000.
NEWEGG
http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116001
Review of chip at toms hardware with comparison charts compared to tons of other cpus
http//www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/
AstonisheD
03-08-2006 14:11:14
[quotebb8cb72fe1="ffactoryxx"]Hey why not opt out of the AMD setup and go with a INTEL chip
The Pentium D is $97 from newegg. Its dual core and with a good after market heatsink/fan or water cooling, the chip will do around 4ghz.
This chip doesnt run hot either. My friend got one and is at 4ghz rock solid stable
Use the $ saved to juice up the power supply or for case fans or a good hsf
The chip outperforms the fastest processors from AMD (Athlon 64 FX-60) and Intel (Pentium Extreme Edition 965), each of which costs over $1,000.
NEWEGG
http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116001
Review of chip at toms hardware with comparison charts compared to tons of other cpus
http//www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/[/quotebb8cb72fe1]
http//www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=329&chart=68&model2=328
that pentium EE 965 does not beat fx-60.. not even close in gaming at least.. -.-.
pretty sure fx-60 would beat pentium ee 965 in other benchmarks too
Wolfeman
03-08-2006 14:34:10
OK I need to build a new system like now, what should I do?
Also, my old system will be up for sale )
AstonisheD
03-08-2006 14:43:41
[quote363454e370="Wolfeman"]OK I need to build a new system like now, what should I do?
Also, my old system will be up for sale )[/quote363454e370]
Depends on what you're looking for and how much you're willing to pay for the whole thing.
Wolfeman
03-08-2006 14:50:10
[quote797983be74="AstonisheD"][quote797983be74="Wolfeman"]OK I need to build a new system like now, what should I do?
Also, my old system will be up for sale )[/quote797983be74]
Depends on what you're looking for and how much you're willing to pay for the whole thing.[/quote797983be74]
<$1500 (including shipping & tax). Don't need anything crazy for video, 2GB RAM, 2 HDD (1 smaller faster one for system files and 1 storage drive), no monitor...
FecalEagle
03-08-2006 16:24:00
Get the 3800+ x2, it's an overclocking beast. You can clock it to 4200+ frequencies easily, and more if you have good cooling
edit Regarding the conroe processor, from what I've gathered, the x2 is better with multimedia type stuff, while the core 2 duo (conroe) is better at office type applications.