Greetings from Lebanon!!!

Hey guys i am leaving the country for a month tonight at 9pm and i need to know if my laptop can handle 240v without the use of a watt converter. on the laptop power cord the writing say 120~240v but i dont know if i can just buy a plug converter and it will work or not. i know that my sisters macbook doesnt need a watt converter but i need to know about my computer i have a Compaq Presario R3000 the one with the AMD64. If anyone knows the answer to this i would really appreciatte it. Thanks
Stroid

If your PSU says 240v, then you just need a plug adapter. Most laptop PSU's are auto-ranging.

thats what i figured i just wanted to be safe about it and i dont wanna get there and be screwed

Where you going?

im going to Lebanon that's where i am originaly from all my family is still over there plus it's an awesome place to go vacation

Overloadddddddd.

[quote0d61ba53fa="Veek"]Overloadddddddd.[/quote0d61ba53fa] what does that mean i dont get what you are trying to say?

Greetings from Lebanon whats up FIPG!.....i didnt want to create a new thread ;-)

WHOA! You're from Lebanon too? My brother is there right now. I was gonna go but I decided I'd rather get a job. Kick ass, man.

100% Lebanese and you should have gone this place is so much fun and the women are amazing!

Please pick me up a copy of some hot Lebanese porno on your way back.

I really want to see how they make porno in Lebanon.

ill see what i can do but most videos you find here are imported and porno is frowned upon in this country its a very religious country both the Christians and Muslims are very strict when it comes to porno

Stroid I lived there for 4 years. D

Hi! So what are you doing over there? What's it like?

that is sweet. hope you are getting to relax!

PICS!!!!!!

once my cousin gets his wireless setup on monday i will try to post some pics. lebanon is a crazy place tons of partying and beautiful beaches. on the 5th i am going to go to a Sean Paul concert and July 22nd i am going to see Snoop Dogg which will be awesome. I will definitly keep people posted when i have better internet access which should be tomorrow.

July 22 is my brithday!!!

/me pulls out a map to figure out where Lebanon is....

dude beirut is amazahzing, went there last year

Pss, noobs. I lived there for 4 years...

[quote26067a8fa4="Killer722"]Pss, noobs. I lived there for 4 years...[/quote26067a8fa4]

we heard you the first 50 times..kthx

ya rly

Pss, noobs. I heard me for 4 years...

Please, please, you're embarasssing yourself.

[quote82cdf5fb25="tylerc"]Please, please, you're embarasssing yourself.[/quote82cdf5fb25]

i was in damascus for 4 years shrug

Isn't Lebanon dangerous or am I still thinking of 70s and 80s Lebanon?

used to be insanely bombed by israel and still happens a bit but no where near as much as back then

South Lebanon is still a terrorist haven, so they fire at Israel, and Israel retaliates on occasion.

Are there still bombed out buildings, or did they pull all those down?

[quotefbaf159ace="Tholek"]Are there still bombed out buildings, or did they pull all those down?[/quotefbaf159ace] for the most part everything is rebuilt but there are areas that are still bomed out and its crazy looking overall its safe here but its very different then the states because you have military and tanks and shit like that all over the place and you have check points. but once you get used to that its cool. ill try to take pictures of the bomed out buildings

On second thought.. Forget the Lebanese porn.. Bring me back a nice chunk of Lebanese hash. I've heard that it's pretty good... or both if you're feeling generous D

just to give you guys an idea of what it looks like here these are a couple pictures i snapped with my treo the first is just of the hwy and the second picture is Jounieh bay looking up at the mountains at night

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Um, stroid im there too lol, u likin it? i hate the internet speed, but my parents had connections to one of the universities so thats where im at now. i like that theres starbucks here

ill prolle be in monot tonight maybe you will see me there lol and ill be at edesands on thursday

Those are some really nice pictures, especially the mountains in the background.

Do you know what your country's marijuana cultivation/possession laws are? I'm just curious to know what their stance is on the issue.

Eat some shwarama for me!! I've never been to Lebanon, but when I lived in Ottawa, I used to eat at Shawarma Palace[=http//www.shawarmapalace.com/]Shawarma Palace, and now that I'm in Florida, I miss that the most I think -P and of course Schwartzs[=http//www.schwartzsdeli.com/]Schwartzs Smoked Meat in Montreal

[quotec03b5bbc31="h3x"]Do you know what your country's marijuana cultivation/possession laws are? I'm just curious to know what their stance is on the issue.[/quotec03b5bbc31] It is very illegal drugs in general are not really tolerated in this country a small possesion of any illegal drug could cause years of jail time. Ive heard as little as a gram can lead to 3 years in prison but then again i just heard that.

From the AP

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah militants crossed into
Israel on Wednesday and captured two Israeli soldiers. Israel responded in southern Lebanon with warplanes, tanks and gunboats, and said seven of its soldiers had been killed in the violence.


Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called the soldiers' capture "an act of war," and his Cabinet prepared to approve more military action in Lebanon — a second front in the fight against Islamic militants by Israel, which already is waging an operation to free a captured soldier in the
Gaza Strip.

The Israeli army said three soldiers were killed in the initial raid, and four others were killed when their tank went over a land mine in southern Lebanon.

Olmert said he held the Lebanese government responsible for the two soldiers' safety, vowing that the Israeli response "will be restrained, but very, very, very painful."

Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said he will not release the captives except as part of a prisoner swap. He said the two soldiers were "in a safe and very far place."

"No military operation will return them," he told a news conference in Beirut. "The prisoners will not be returned except through one way indirect negotiations and a trade."

Israeli jets struck deep into southern Lebanon, blasting bridges and Hezbollah positions and killing two civilians, the Lebanese officials said.

The Israeli military planned to call up thousands of reservists, and residents of Israeli towns on the border with Lebanon were ordered to seek cover in underground bomb shelters.

The Israeli stock market plunged on word that two more soldiers were captured and that Israel was getting entangled in a second front against Lebanese guerrillas. The exchange's TA-25 blue chip index sank as much as 4.9 percent in exceptionally heavy trading. It rose slightly in afternoon trading to close down 4.2 percent.

The United States, U.N.,
European Union, France and Germany expressed deep concern about the fighting. U.N. Secretary-General
Kofi Annan called for the immediate release of kidnapped Israeli soldiers and condemned Israel's retaliation in southern Lebanon.

Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice said the Hezbollah action went against the interest of the Lebanese people, and that
Syria has a "special responsibility" to resolve the crisis.

"All sides must act with restraint to resolve this incident peacefully and to protect innocent life and civilian infrastructure," she said ahead of meetings in Paris.

Separately, Israel escalated its Gaza assault, dropping a quarter-ton bomb on a home before dawn to try to kill top Hamas fugitives. Palestinian hospital officials said the blast killed nine members of a family — seven children and two parents.

After initially claiming its leaders had escaped harm, Hamas militants took over the intensive care unit of Gaza City's main hospital, where doctors said seven militants were in critical condition. The gunmen refused to say who was being treated.

The Israeli military said Mohammed Deif, the leader of the Hamas military wing and No. 1 on Israel's wanted list for more than a decade, was among the wounded.

The Shiite Lebanese Hezbollah said it captured the two soldiers to help win the release of prisoners held in Israel. Hamas had made identical demands in seizing Cpl. Gilad Shalit on June 25.

A top Hamas leader said his movement did not coordinate with Hezbollah over the capture of the soldiers but said it was "natural" for the groups to work together against Israel.

"Now Israeli has to decide on its choices," Osama Hamdan, Hamas' spokesman in Lebanon, told The Associated Press. "It is early to talk about details of the exchange, but no doubt the operation carried out by Hezbollah today will strengthen our demands to exchange the captives."

Israel, however, appeared determined to win freedom for its troops with a show of force.

Army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz warned the Lebanese government that the Israeli military will target infrastructure and "turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years," if the soldiers were not returned, Israeli TV reported.

Israeli troops crossed into a southwestern sector of Lebanon, across the border from where the soldiers were seized, trying to keep their captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli security officials said.

Israeli warplanes and gunboats blasted bridges and Hezbollah positions in south Lebanon, killing two civilians, the Lebanese security officials said.

The Israeli jets made their deepest foray in an afternoon strike on a road in the Zahrani region along the Mediterranean coast — about halfway between the border and the capital of Beirut. Anti-aircraft guns opened fire on jets flying over the coastal city of Sidon.

The Arab League planned an urgent meeting on the crisis Thursday amid "fears of widening of tension and possible Israeli strike against Syria," which backs Hezbollah, a senior league official in Cairo said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Syrian Vice President Farouk al-Sharaa blamed Israel for the escalating violence in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories and denied his country had a role in either abduction.

"It's up to the resistance — both the Lebanese and the Palestinian — to decide what they are doing and why are they fighting," he told reporters in Damascus.

U.S. Assistant Secretary of State David Welch, visiting Cairo, said the capture of the two Israeli soldiers was "a very dangerous escalation" that "puts at risk all the effort that's being put forth by many to find a solution to the current situation."

Jubilant residents of south Beirut, a stronghold of Hezbollah, and Palestinians in the Ein el-Hilwa refugee camp fired guns in the air and set off firecrackers in celebration after the capture of the Israeli soldiers was announced.

The top U.N. official in Lebanon, Geir Pedersen, met with Lebanon's prime minister and denounced Hezbollah's incursion across the border into northern Israel, known as the Blue Line.

"Hezbollah's action escalates the already tense situation along the Blue Line and is an act of very dangerous proportions," he said in a statement.

Elsewhere, Israeli troops killed a Hezbollah guerrilla as he tried to infiltrate a military base in northern Israel. The army said Hezbollah also fired rockets toward the Israeli border. There were no reports of injuries.

Hezbollah's military arm said its fighters captured two Israeli soldiers "on the border with occupied Palestine, fulfilling the promise to liberate its prisoners" held by Israel.

Hamas-linked militants have demanded the release of at least some of the estimated 9,000 prisoners held by Israel in exchange for Shalit's freedom. Israel has carried out several prisoner swaps with Hezbollah in the past to free captured Israelis.

Israel occupied a small strip of southern Lebanon for 18 years before withdrawing in 2000 amid public complaints in Israel. Hezbollah fighters have controlled the Lebanese side of the border with Israel since then. Israel and Hezbollah have been clashing for two decades and still fight over a small sliver of border territory — Chebaa Farms.

Lebanon is under U.N. and U.S. pressure to disarm the Shiite guerrilla group and move its own military into the south, but the government has refused to do so, calling Hezbollah a legitimate resistance group.

Yeah I'm not going near that place...

Not my kind of place for a vacation at all lol.

I think I prefer to go to a non middle east country on vacation. Even the UAE which has been built up for tourism I'd probably be afraid to go to.

Boom goes the dynamite

http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5175160.stm

Hopefully you're ok Stroid. I wonder which part he's in. (

Doesn't sound like a fun vacation

israel thinks that if they blow the crap out of arabs
it will get them to do what they want, and all it really does
is piss them off and draw more people aganist israel

[quote4bbc80d4b1="syriandoode"]israel thinks that if they blow the crap out of arabs
it will get them to do what they want, and all it really does
is piss them off and draw more people aganist israel (besides the US government).[/quote4bbc80d4b1]

Fixed.

Whatever, the Israelis are protecting their soldiers. If Mexican or Canadian rebels kidnapped our soldiers we'd go kick their asses too...

I wouldn't call killing 27 civilians and firing rockets at an airport, "protecting their soldiers". If they want to protect their soldiers, maybe locking them in a safe and hiding it under a table would be more effective. shrug

Civilian casualties are a part of war which the terrorists started. There was relative peace lately until they kidnapped this soldier.

yeah things are not good in this part of the world (

why cant we all get along!

Greetings from a war zone!!!

So does this mean snoop dogg isn't going to play there next week?

[quote51b7c5e46f="Wolfeman"]Whatever, the Israelis are protecting their soldiers. If Mexican or Canadian rebels kidnapped our soldiers we'd go kick their asses too...[/quote51b7c5e46f]

You have it wrong, hizbulla and hamas are not rebels, they are part of the government. It was an act of war against israel.

This is not an issue of Israelis hating arabs, if Israel does not retaliate, why would they stop. Rockets have been fired into Israel on a daily basis for years, and they are lucky this was not done earlier. Whether the arabs will finally realize that they will only be killed if they continue to kill is irrelevant. If it just makes them angrier, that is their right, but it will just continue the cycle of violence. It has only been the past few weeks that Israeli soldiers have begun being targeted. Previously, it was civilians, including women and children. When Israel retaliates, they target militants. The fact that the militants make sure to surround themselves with civilians is irrelevant. It just further proves the Palestinian disregard for life, and their attempt to manipulate the media in their favor.

Name another country other than Israel that would get flamed for targeted killings of known terrorists, that not only openly call upon the destruction of the state, but also try to carry it out?

To prove my point, what kind of "opressed people" can get away with trying to negotiate an exchange of a soldier for thousands of killers and terrorists.

Don't get me wrong, not all palestinians are terrorists, and I'm sure some would like to live in peace, but they continue to support those which are opressing them. The Palestinians have chosen to live in refugee camps for the past 58 years to try and make the world feel bad for them. Clearly it has worked, but their plight has been created artificially by their leaders, not imposed on them by Israel.

some would argue that the israelis have no business being where they have been for 58 years (playing devils advocate here)

[quoteb5b40eb7f3="jy3"]some would argue that the israelis have no business being where they have been for 58 years (playing devils advocate here)[/quoteb5b40eb7f3]

How is it not their place to be there? They developed the whole country, both infrastructure and agriculture, since well before 1948. You also have to remember that Israel accepted the UN partition plan, which the palestinians rejected. The palestinians started the war in 1948. They have decided to put themselves in the position of living in shitty refugee camps, rather than living side-by-side in peace.

i believe that there were parts of the country that were lived in before the UN partition plan. a compromise usually involved acceptance by all parties (playing devils advocate here)

stroid got bombed.

that sucks.

I wonder if he was supposed to fly out of the Beirut airport that got bombed. It's worrying that he hasn't checked in but he has more important things to do and more important people in his life to assure I am sure.

[quote578e0d4b50="freedesktoppc"][quote578e0d4b50="Wolfeman"]Whatever, the Israelis are protecting their soldiers. If Mexican or Canadian rebels kidnapped our soldiers we'd go kick their asses too...[/quote578e0d4b50]

You have it wrong, hizbulla and hamas are not rebels, they are part of the government. It was an act of war against israel.

This is not an issue of Israelis hating arabs, if Israel does not retaliate, why would they stop. Rockets have been fired into Israel on a daily basis for years, and they are lucky this was not done earlier. Whether the arabs will finally realize that they will only be killed if they continue to kill is irrelevant. If it just makes them angrier, that is their right, but it will just continue the cycle of violence. It has only been the past few weeks that Israeli soldiers have begun being targeted. Previously, it was civilians, including women and children. When Israel retaliates, they target militants. The fact that the militants make sure to surround themselves with civilians is irrelevant. It just further proves the Palestinian disregard for life, and their attempt to manipulate the media in their favor.

Name another country other than Israel that would get flamed for targeted killings of known terrorists, that not only openly call upon the destruction of the state, but also try to carry it out?

To prove my point, what kind of "opressed people" can get away with trying to negotiate an exchange of a soldier for thousands of killers and terrorists.

Don't get me wrong, not all palestinians are terrorists, and I'm sure some would like to live in peace, but they continue to support those which are opressing them. The Palestinians have chosen to live in refugee camps for the past 58 years to try and make the world feel bad for them. Clearly it has worked, but their plight has been created artificially by their leaders, not imposed on them by Israel.[/quote578e0d4b50]

1.

hamas is not part of the lebanese gov. if that is what you were implying it is part of the recently formed palestinian government in gaza

hezabollah, is also a group independent of the lebanese government, BUT is supported by the lebanese government.


2.

the cycle of violence circulating in the Arab-Israeli conflict is not driven by arab retaliation, it is driven by the fact that each side believes them to be the victim.


3.

When Israel retaliates they do not target only militants, they have been known to target Palestinain refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria and sometimes civilians like the attack on the airport.


4.

Palestinians have no disregard for life or else they wouldnt be trying to fight, and if you havnt noticed the media here in america is much much more biased towards israel


5.

The USA is a country that gets flamed for targeted killings of known terrorists almost every week in the media


6.

Palestinians did NOT choose to live in refugee camps they were forced out by the 1948 war and the Six-Day War, with the choice of either getting in the way of a crossfire or fleeing to Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria



phew!

FYI Seriously, I hope he is OK, looking on the news, Lebanon is getting bombed the flilik out of by Israel.

Yeah, this is becoming a more pressing issue each day it goes on. I feel really bad for him considering he is trapped there at the wrong time.

Hope Stroid is ok.

Yeah, it's been a while since we heard from him. I hope he thinks to pop online and check in if he's able to.

i hope he is ok as well. I hope that he is able to get to a safe place and/or return to his home thru another airport now that his lacks an airstrip

http//www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/14/mideast/index.html

He probably has no internet access. They are targeting all sorts of communication as well I believe.

[quote034f5e22f7="jy3"]i believe that there were parts of the country that were lived in before the UN partition plan. a compromise usually involved acceptance by all parties (playing devils advocate here)[/quote034f5e22f7]

Yes, palestinians did live there before 1948, but there leaders told them to leave until they were able to kill every jew, and then they would be able to return. They voluntarily left, and that is why they are in camps.

[quote9b1fe28df8="syriandoode"]
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... hezabollah, is also a group independent of the lebanese government, BUT is supported by the lebanese government.
[/quote9b1fe28df8]

Sorry man, but this is the type of response I would expect from someone named syriandoode. It's well-documented that hezbollah is funded by both Syria and Iran. They actually do have a number of members in the Lebanese Parliament (23 according to wikipedia).

[quote9b1fe28df8="syriandoode"]
2.

the cycle of violence circulating in the Arab-Israeli conflict is not [b9b1fe28df8]solely[/b9b1fe28df8] driven by arab retaliation, it is driven by the fact that each side believes them to be the victim.
[/quote9b1fe28df8]

Well put, I agree wholeheartedly. EDIT I did have to make a minor edit to your point to agree with it wholeheartedly.

[quote9b1fe28df8="syriandoode"]
3.

When Israel retaliates they do not target only militants, they have been known to target Palestinain refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria and sometimes civilians like the attack on the airport.
[/quote9b1fe28df8]

This is a totally one-sided statement and if you try to deny it, in my eyes, you have lost all credability. In these two cases, Hamas and Hezbollah attacks have involved kidnapping of soldiers, but to say that they strictly attack only military targets would probably be insulting to those groups, let alone anyone that has read a paper.

[quotea1c58abfca="freedesktoppc"][quotea1c58abfca="Wolfeman"]Whatever, the Israelis are protecting their soldiers. If Mexican or Canadian rebels kidnapped our soldiers we'd go kick their asses too...[/quotea1c58abfca]

You have it wrong, hizbulla and hamas are not rebels, they are part of the government. It was an act of war against israel.

This is not an issue of Israelis hating arabs, if Israel does not retaliate, why would they stop. Rockets have been fired into Israel on a daily basis for years, and they are lucky this was not done earlier. Whether the arabs will finally realize that they will only be killed if they continue to kill is irrelevant. If it just makes them angrier, that is their right, but it will just continue the cycle of violence. It has only been the past few weeks that Israeli soldiers have begun being targeted. Previously, it was civilians, including women and children. When Israel retaliates, they target militants. The fact that the militants make sure to surround themselves with civilians is irrelevant. It just further proves the Palestinian disregard for life, and their attempt to manipulate the media in their favor.

Name another country other than Israel that would get flamed for targeted killings of known terrorists, that not only openly call upon the destruction of the state, but also try to carry it out?

To prove my point, what kind of "opressed people" can get away with trying to negotiate an exchange of a soldier for thousands of killers and terrorists.

Don't get me wrong, not all palestinians are terrorists, and I'm sure some would like to live in peace, but they continue to support those which are opressing them. The Palestinians have chosen to live in refugee camps for the past 58 years to try and make the world feel bad for them. Clearly it has worked, but their plight has been created artificially by their leaders, not imposed on them by Israel.[/quotea1c58abfca]
[quotea1c58abfca]
1.

hamas is not part of the lebanese gov. if that is what you were implying it is part of the recently formed palestinian government in gaza

hezabollah, is also a group independent of the lebanese government, BUT is supported by the lebanese government. [/quotea1c58abfca]
hezbolla is not just supported by the government, they are a part of it as well. Also, it is a fact that hezbolla and hamas cooperate and work together (along with the syrian, iranian, and lebanese governments), so I don't see how you can separate them.

[quotea1c58abfca]
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the cycle of violence circulating in the Arab-Israeli conflict is not driven by arab retaliation, it is driven by the fact that each side believes them to be the victim. [/quotea1c58abfca]
That shows where you are wrong again, I can tell you from the Israeli POV, that we don't see ourselves as victims. We see ourselves, a sovereign nation, hearing all of our neighbors announce they want to kill everyone of us. That kind of sounds like hitler, I'd like to hear any enlightened person give their sympathy to hitler. Throughout history, we have offered our hand in peace many times, just to have our hand blown off.

[quotea1c58abfca]
3.

When Israel retaliates they do not target only militants, they have been known to target Palestinain refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria and sometimes civilians like the attack on the airport. [/quotea1c58abfca]
Can you take a guess of what is in the refugee camps? Can you take a guess why they are there? These camps are filled with terrorists, and they stay in the camps because they are small, and narrow, and they think it will be difficult for them to be hunted down without civilian casualties. Civilian casualties are unfortunate, but if there are a few civilian casualties to kill a known terrorist who has had his hand in the killing of 100s of innocent Israeli civilians, it is worth it. When Israel goes into the camps or into gaza, you have to realize it is not as if they go door to door looking for anyone with a gun or bomb making material, just because it would take too long, and it would be impossible to get through the camp without many soldiers being killed. When they go in, they have set targets, and they take them out. People should know to stay away from the terrorists if they don't want to risk getting hurt.

The fact that you bring up the lebanon airstrips just shows you have no clue what you are talking about. No people were targeted, only the infrastructure. this was to prevent that transport of the hostages, which the people "who have regard for life" took.

[quotea1c58abfca]
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Palestinians have no disregard for life or else they wouldnt be trying to fight, and if you havnt noticed the media here in america is much much more biased towards israel
[/quotea1c58abfca]
Since when do suicide bombs directed at civilians show a regard for life? The US media is not controlled by any central figure (unlike the news in many Arab countries for instance), and don't you think there may be a reason that they do not completely bash Israel? Could it be that the intelligent people of this country realize that what they are doing is correct?

[quotea1c58abfca]
5.

The USA is a country that gets flamed for targeted killings of known terrorists almost every week in the media
[/quotea1c58abfca]
Nobody flames the US when they kill the terrorists, they are flamed that they are still in Iraq and that they have not been able to stop the terrorists. I did not see any liberals complain when al zarqhawi was killed

[quotea1c58abfca]
6.

Palestinians did NOT choose to live in refugee camps they were forced out by the 1948 war and the Six-Day War, with the choice of either getting in the way of a crossfire or fleeing to Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria



phew![/quotea1c58abfca]
Their leaders demanded that they leave, and they complied. There have been many options over the years for them to have been resettled, and they have refused all of them to continue their suffering in an attempt to increase international sympathy.

[quote8e44fcb0e6="EatChex89"]stroid got bombed.

that sucks.[/quote8e44fcb0e6]

You're an idiot.

This thread sure took a turn for the worse.

Feel bad foryou str0id that is truly a vacation gone bad.

What can I say the world is a crazy place... why I won't leave North America

[quote65827747f9="good2speed"]What can I say the world is a crazy place... why I won't leave North America[/quote65827747f9]

That's taking it a bit far don't you think?

I tried looking for Monot and Edesands on a map (because Stroid mentioned going to those places) but I couldn't find them at all.

[quote379b7dfd04="theysayjump"][quote379b7dfd04="good2speed"]What can I say the world is a crazy place... why I won't leave North America[/quote379b7dfd04]

That's taking it a bit far don't you think?

I tried looking for Monot and Edesands on a map (because Stroid mentioned going to those places) but I couldn't find them at all.[/quote379b7dfd04]

I believe Monot is a famous street in Lebanon.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship used in the Civil War era.

[quote6c684fc462="tylerc"]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship used in the Civil War era.[/quote6c684fc462]

Wrong.

"5 day temp-ban" was the ship used by Admin when he sailed here from Crete in 1789.

[quote0ac82d8b46="doylnea"][quote0ac82d8b46="theysayjump"]I tried looking for Monot and Edesands on a map (because Stroid mentioned going to those places) but I couldn't find them at all.[/quote0ac82d8b46]

I believe Monot is a famous street in Lebanon.[/quote0ac82d8b46]
Yeah, I looked it up yesterday too and that's what I gathered (street in Beirut). Just wanted to make sure he wasn't in the area just south of Beirut that got bombed up.

So is he in the safe area of Lebanon, if there is one?

Not sure. He seemed to be travelling around a bit so I don't think there's any real way for US to know where he is or was. (

Damn...that is no good. I hope he is ok/alive. And can come back safely

I hope your OK Stroid.. If you are alive and well, I'd strongly advise getting the hell out of there any way you can and come back to the States by any means.

my uncle and his family are in Beirut right now and when they went to the american embassy they said that there was no evacuation plan currently being formed for american citizens, and the main road to syria has been bombed

On the news they said that there were 25,000 americans trapped in lebanon as there was no way out. They were thinking of helicoptering people to Cyprus but until a plan is formed people are on their own, supposedly.

Damn...

If any of you are religious, sparing a prayer for Stroid's safe return wouldn't hurt.

Now that I read this thread I see in one of storids post it says something about

Beirut being beautiful. I really hope he wasnt there at the time of the attack.

Stroid.... talk to us. I really hope stroid is OK.

Even though im not a Kerms fan I do hope nothing bad happened to him.

yo whatsup people i am fine i live in the christian side of lebanon far away from any of the bombings and i am about 1 mile from the US embassey. I hear jets all the time and i heard a bomb hit Beirut earlier but things are pretty normal the only reason i havent been online is because of two things my aunt was renovating her house and i was in the mountains for a few days. As of right now there is no evacuation plan but there probably will be one within the next few days if things get worse. The most danger i have experienced is fear and that is actually probably worse then the bombs themselves. Sorry to all the jews on the forum i have no hard feelings against you but FUCK ISRAEL those cocksuckers they are killing innocent people and destroying Lebanon which was finally almost rebuilt. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization and most Lebanese people hate them as do I we have been cursing them for years. We are living life normally for the most part with the exception of hearing bombs and jets. Thanks for your concern guys and i will be fine. This isnt the first time ive lived through the war so im kinda used to it. I should be online regularly now assuming nothing worse happens.

Glad your OK.

Glad to hear you're ok. )

As for Israel, I know it must be pretty scary, and that most people over there aren't responsible for the kidnapping, but the Lebanese can't just hate Hezbollah, they have to act against them. Maybe they are to some extent, I don't know. They ought to step it up if they are.

Anyhow, we're glad you're ok. )

If we could get Hezbollah out we would we hate those fucks! people dont understand that Hezbollah isnt small and it has alot of followers. Lebanon is weak as a Government and our militarry is very weak especially compared to Israel. I just hope Hezbollah leaves and we can return to living like people again. Everyone here has gone into war mode but at the same time still trying to live normally but its hard.

[quote190a622222="Stroid"]If we could get Hezbollah out we would we hate those fucks! people dont understand that Hezbollah isnt small and it has alot of followers. Lebanon is weak as a Government and our militarry is very weak especially compared to Israel. I just hope Hezbollah leaves and we can return to living like people again. Everyone here has gone into war mode but at the same time still trying to live normally but its hard.[/quote190a622222]

I can hardly imagine what that's like. Living day after day in a combat zone. I was in NYC for 9/11, but we eventually knew it was a one time event. At the moment though, you just didn't know.

I really have no idea how big Hezbollah is. Are they so big that you could say 1 out of 5 is a follower? That would be bad. Maybe nearby nations would offer support?

Stay safe.

umm they are big in the south which is where the bombings are happening. i wouldnt say 1 out of 5 i actually dont know because i dont go to that part of Lebanon. The biggest problem here is fear that Israel is going to bomb us. People arent afraid of Hezbollah bombing the Lebanese. But we wish it would just all stop im just ready to get the fuck out of here. this was the reason i came to the US to begin with

It sounds as if Hezbollah are basically using everyone as human shields. They bomb (or kidnap), Israel retaliates, and kills innocent people, which makes some of those who weren't part of Hezbollah, support them or join up. (

As Christians, do they persecute you?

no we are far away from them if internal war breaks out then definitly the fighting between muslims and christians will begin. hopefully it wont get to that level.

wow i just saw the breaking news and you were first person i thought of.

yeah they bombed my home town about an hour ago well they bomed the radar at the port but still we heard the bombings for about 2min straight FUCK ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, my family lives in Lebanon, including my father and all my aunts and cousins. My brother is also vacationing there, and they live near a Hezbollah office. I'm scared shit for them...

Stroid, I agree, FUCK YOU ISRAEL for destroying my fucking country. Lebanon was so beautiful and was finally almost back on its feet...

I was supposed to go to Lebanon this summer but decided against it, and I am happy, but somewhat depressed over the fact that I can't be there with my brother and father...

Glad you're OK Stroid. Seriously. )

Just incase something may happen to you, where exactly are you and how far away from the violence are you?

[quotedc25fb2fae="Killer722"]Stroid, I agree, FUCK YOU ISRAEL for destroying my fucking country. Lebanon was so beautiful and was finally almost back on its feet...[/quotedc25fb2fae]

Shouldn't you be blaming Hezbollah? They knew this would happen, and didn't care. (

Stroid i would stay near the embassy because if a bullet even grazes that building israel is gonna be in some deep dark shit

glad your alright man

i am about 1 mile from the US embassey thats where my cousins live and it is a safe area. Tholek i blame Israel for being way over the top they have destroyed my country beyond belief and have killed many innocent people and injured hundreds of people. The infastructure of this country is completly destroyed. Yes i want them to destroy Hezbollah every single one of those mother fuckers should die. Lebanon cannot defend itself from Israel we havent fired one bullet/bomb back at them we cant we dont have the strength to. Today they released a video from the American Embassey saying that they are working on the evacuation and that it will be happening soon(im hoping by monday) there is a battleship on its way from the Red Sea and should be here in two days.

On another issue i am mad at alot of people like the US for not stoping Israel sooner (i feel like they could have) but dont get me wrong i am no way not thankful to be American i am proud and this only makes me appreciatte America and what it stands for more God bless the US and i want to come back. The UN is a piece of shit and I have always thought this. Israel has killed many people and that really hurts in one attack 15 children were killed in another attack vans carrying people leaving their homes were shot by a missile that is not self defense thats target practice. This is the second time i am fleeing this country the only difference is that America is actually helping me do it (thumbs up america)! In the end Lebanon and the Lebanese people are strong and we will rebuild.

I've been checking this topic since the shit hit the fan and I'm glad to see you finally replied. Good to see that things are as okay considering the circumstances.

by the way i really appreciatte all of your concern FIPG when i didnt have internet i was thinking about how i can get on FIPG and let all of you know that i am ok. I will be home soon believe that hopefully all of this will die down in the next day or two and all will be well (as much as it can be)

[quote698cdfc48f="Stroid"]by the way i really appreciatte all of your concern FIPG when i didnt have internet i was thinking about how i can get on FIPG and let all of you know that i am ok. I will be home soon believe that hopefully all of this will die down in the next day or two and all will be well (as much as it can be)[/quote698cdfc48f]

If it was to all end right now Stroid, would you stay for the remainder of your holiday or are you coming back regardless?

this is just the beginning the country at this point is in complete fear and the atmosphere is intense. If all was stoped and the airport was operating i would probably wait just because it would be easier to leave but i know thats not gonna happen so i will leave as soon as i possibly can although it will be sad because i dont know when or if i will ever return to Lebanon and i do love this country

[quote428eb1c5b8="Stroid"] Sorry to all the jews on the forum i have no hard feelings against you but FUCK ISRAEL those cocksuckers they are killing innocent people and destroying Lebanon.[/quote428eb1c5b8]

Yeah fuck you too

[quotefd4a815108="gruffer"][quotefd4a815108="Stroid"] Sorry to all the jews on the forum i have no hard feelings against you but FUCK ISRAEL those cocksuckers they are killing innocent people and destroying Lebanon.[/quotefd4a815108]

Yeah fuck you too[/quotefd4a815108] Thats cute did i say fuck the jews no i didnt you piece of shit try fucking being here and getting bombed for 4 days straight and see how much you would like Israel. Plus i said fuck Hezbollah also but i guess you didnt read that. I have enough stress over here i dont need some prick like you telling me fuck you! People are getting killed for no reason that is not acceptable by anyones standards!

[quote4c0c619a72="Stroid"]Yes i want them to destroy Hezbollah every single one of those mother fuckers should die.[/quote4c0c619a72] here i even quoted it for you just incase you cant read all of the posts in this thread. here is were i curse at Hezbollah roll

[quotefc023b0fc0="Stroid"][quotefc023b0fc0="Stroid"]Yes i want them to destroy Hezbollah every single one of those mother fuckers should die.[/quotefc023b0fc0] here i even quoted it for you just incase you cant read all of the posts in this thread. here is were i curse at Hezbollah roll[/quotefc023b0fc0]Who do you think "those cocksuckers" are?

[quote1156deac11="gruffer"][quote1156deac11="Stroid"] Sorry to all the jews on the forum i have no hard feelings against you but FUCK ISRAEL those cocksuckers they are killing innocent people and destroying Lebanon.[/quote1156deac11]

Yeah fuck you too[/quote1156deac11]

It only takes one roll X 10

what exactly are you trying to imply? that all Lebanese people are Hezbollah or even that i am? Incase you didnt know Hezbollah are Shiite Muslims in the south of Lebanon and in parts of Beirut mainly West Beirut. I am a from northern Lebanon and I am Catholic...are you trying to say that i am Hezbollah. Your just an ass that obviously hasnt taken enough time to read current events and learn the truth behind things. This thread turned into people concerned for my well being and you come in here to flame me i didnt flame anyone until you arrived to be an ass. The ignorance of some people really baffles my mind...im fucking stuck in a war and thats what you have to say to me thats just unbelievable.

those cocksuckers would be the government...dude my best friend is jewish does that mean i agree with what Israel is doing they are killing innocent people and destroying my country.

[quotef6004ce025="Stroid"]what exactly are you trying to imply? that all Lebanese people are Hezbollah or even that i am? Incase you didnt know Hezbollah are Shiite Muslims in the south of Lebanon and in parts of Beirut mainly West Beirut. I am a from northern Lebanon and I am Catholic...are you trying to say that i am Hezbollah. Your just an ass that obviously hasnt taken enough time to read current events and learn the truth behind things. This thread turned into people concerned for my well being and you come in here to flame me i didnt flame anyone until you arrived to be an ass. The ignorance of some people really baffles my mind...im fucking stuck in a war and thats what you have to say to me thats just unbelievable.[/quotef6004ce025]Nope still wrong.

"Sorry to all the jews on the forum i have no hard feelings against you but FUCK ISRAEL those cocksuckers they are killing innocent people and destroying Lebanon.''
Good luck surviving and all that.

[quote33dfd28d0f="gruffer"][quote33dfd28d0f="Stroid"]what exactly are you trying to imply? that all Lebanese people are Hezbollah or even that i am? Incase you didnt know Hezbollah are Shiite Muslims in the south of Lebanon and in parts of Beirut mainly West Beirut. I am a from northern Lebanon and I am Catholic...are you trying to say that i am Hezbollah. Your just an ass that obviously hasnt taken enough time to read current events and learn the truth behind things. This thread turned into people concerned for my well being and you come in here to flame me i didnt flame anyone until you arrived to be an ass. The ignorance of some people really baffles my mind...im fucking stuck in a war and thats what you have to say to me thats just unbelievable.[/quote33dfd28d0f]Nope still wrong.

"Sorry to all the jews on the forum i have no hard feelings against you but FUCK ISRAEL those cocksuckers they are killing innocent people and destroying Lebanon.''
Good luck surviving and all that.[/quote33dfd28d0f] read the next post and thanks for your concern i see that you value the life of others. when the rest of the world says that what Israel is doing is fucked up you want to tell me Good luck surving and all that! You have a lot to learn.

gruffer has seen too much american media if you ask me

[quote57351ad920="syriandoode"]gruffer has seen too much american media if you ask me[/quote57351ad920]

more like easily offended and little tolerance.

stroid is almost in the middle of a war zone and gruffer is like, "omgz gotta be political about this"

I can understand the point that gruffer is trying to make, but Stroid didn't say "Sorry to the Jews on FiPG, but fuck you." He said sorry to the Jews but fuck you Israel.

Stroid doesn't have a problem with Jews (or at least as far as I know), he has a problem with the people in charge of Israel who are bombing the shit out of his native land which he just so happens to be in at the moment.

Yeah that sucks, and I feel bad for him, but what exactly is Isreal supposed to do? Let themselves be the target of terrorism, and not respond? If I was a soilder and I was kidnapped by terrorists I would hope my nation would fight and defend for my safety and return.

[quotef368f7503c="gruffer"][quotef368f7503c="Stroid"] Sorry to all the jews on the forum i have no hard feelings against you but FUCK ISRAEL those cocksuckers they are killing innocent people and destroying Lebanon.[/quotef368f7503c]

Yeah fuck you too[/quotef368f7503c]

Someone needs to learn to show some compassion roll I can see where what he said could have been offensive to some, but try to understand that the country he is in, his HOME COUNTRY is at war and being attacked.

Fuck you lebanon, you have been a puppet gov't of the fucking syrians for years, and you deserve this for your passiveness of the terrorists in your midst. Furthermore, you are in violation of a UN security council resolution stating that you must control your own souther border, not leaving it to the hezbolla terrorists fucks. It is nobodys fault but your own that you can not control your own country and follow international law, so when you get bombed into compliance, you have no right to complain. Now you know how it feels to have innocent civilians killed.

I have nothing against Lebanese or other arab civilians, I have a problem with your governments. You support terror either actively or passively. So fuck you lebanon, syria, Iran, saudi arabia, and qatar.

I'm thoroughly convinced that with a few exceptions, this forum is too immature to keep any topic from turning into a flame war.

Probably right.

Be safe Stroid.

Got an email from my brother stating that he and my father are safe in Syria and got out one day before Isrealis bombed his street. He will be on a plane within the next 10 days. He said the Lebonese refugees called the American Embassy in Lebanon for help and the response they got was, "George Bush is not responsible for Arab - Americans...wtf? arab-[b232c338131]AMERICANS[/b232c338131] Coming from the President of [b232c338131]AMERICA[/b232c338131]. And for those ignorent peopel that say Lebanon deserves this, Isreal has no right to bomb innocent people. Why can't they do what they say "Strategic military targets against the Hezbollah" By bombing only the southern part of Lebanon where the Hezbollah Headquarters is. That makes more sense instead of "BOMB THE AIRPORTS AND THEN WE CAN KILL [b232c338131]ALL[/b232c338131] THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM ESCAPING." They've almost killed [b232c338131]100 INNOCENT civilians[/b232c338131] in retaliation for [b232c338131]2 kidnapped soldiers[/b232c338131]. What makes you think Lebanon has the military ability to disarm the Hezbollah? That would mean another civil war.

[quotedf7a141635="Killer722"]Got an email from my brother stating that he and my father are safe in Syria and got out one day before Isrealis bombed his street. He will be on a plane within the next 10 days. He said the Lebonese refugees called the American Embassy in Lebanon for help and the response they got was, "George Bush is not responsible for Arab - Americans...wtf? arab-[bdf7a141635]AMERICANS[/bdf7a141635] Coming from the President of [bdf7a141635]AMERICA[/bdf7a141635]. And for those ignorent peopel that say Lebanon deserves this, Isreal has no right to bomb innocent people. Why can't they do what they say "Strategic military targets against the Hezbollah" By bombing only the southern part of Lebanon where the Hezbollah Headquarters is. That makes more sense instead of "BOMB THE AIRPORTS AND THEN WE CAN KILL [bdf7a141635]ALL[/bdf7a141635] THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM ESCAPING." They've almost killed [bdf7a141635]100 INNOCENT civilians[/bdf7a141635] in retaliation for [bdf7a141635]2 kidnapped soldiers[/bdf7a141635]. What makes you think Lebanon has the military ability to disarm the Hezbollah? That would mean another civil war.[/quotedf7a141635]
Or they are trying to prevent the transportation of the hostages out of the country...first of all, there have not been 100 casualties. second of all, it was an act of war, don't start something you can't complete. Don't fuck around with the israeli army. So you are basically saying that you don't think it is worth your time to get rid of the terrorists? The modern countries spend whatever is necessary.

"They've almost killed 100 INNOCENT civilians" -me
"As of Saturday, at least 100 Lebanese and 13 Israelis had been killed, according to Lebanese and Israeli sources." -cnn.com http//www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/15/mideast/index.html

i'm pretty sure that 100 civilians if not more have in fact been killed by Israeli strikes. "July 15 At least 35 Lebanese civilians were killed in the deadliest day so far in a growing conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. NBC's Richard Engel reports." That's just today, i read about a van carrying civilians getting evacuated being hit by a missle and killing 27 or something. don't quote me on that one. But I don't know what the fuck Israel is doing

[quote553c568d8f="freedesktoppc"]Fuck you lebanon, you have been a puppet gov't of the fucking syrians for years, and you deserve this for your passiveness of the terrorists in your midst. Furthermore, you are in violation of a UN security council resolution stating that you must control your own souther border, not leaving it to the hezbolla terrorists fucks. It is nobodys fault but your own that you can not control your own country and follow international law, so when you get bombed into compliance, you have no right to complain. Now you know how it feels to have innocent civilians killed.

I have nothing against Lebanese or other arab civilians, I have a problem with your governments. You support terror either actively or passively. So fuck you lebanon, syria, Iran, saudi arabia, and qatar.[/quote553c568d8f] you are also an idiot. Israel has violated numerous UN resolutions against the palestinians but nobody says anything to them because there big brother is the US. Lebanon doesnt support Hezbollah actually the country hates them. But the country was in a civil war for over 15yrs the military is weak and cannot compete with Israel or Syria. And many more arab civilians have been killed by Israel then jews being killed by arabs go check your stats. The only thing that you said that is accurate is that Lebanon is a puppet of Syria i can agree to that and it sucks we have asked for help from other countries but its difficult to build a strong nation. Like i said before i hope that Hezbollah is destroyed and that my country can once in my lifetime be normal again. Seriously i didnt attack anyone in particular i said dont like the government of Israel and i dont like hezbollah that doesnt mean fuck the jews and fuck the shiite muslims. It just means fuck there leadership, the way that Israel is doing this campaign has really devestated my country and killed many people and many more will die, i feel as if it could have been done differently. Now thousands upon thousands of people that dont even live in this country are stuck here and we have to be evacuated out of here because Israel destroyed our airport. There is about 25000 americans here i dont think Bush is to happy about the decisions of Israel. As well the way Hezbollah has been doing things is wrong and they to are killing innocent people and its fucked up as well. The only difference is the power that hezbollah has compared to Israel they can kill maybe 1 person and Israel can kill like 80. Basically all Lebanon can do during this is just sit here and hope that they stop...doesnt sound really fair to me.

Apparently (and not surprisngly to me at least) Bush is backing the actions of Israel

http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5184402.stm

offcourse he is Israel and the US are best friends thats why they can get away with killing innocent people...i probably wont be online much today but i will check in definitly tomorrow

Not to be bitchy, but I still can't beleive nobody has commented on the fact that the embassy said "Bush is not responsible for Arab-Americans." He's the president of fucking America. Fuck the world, man.

[quote269edbc866="Killer722"]Not to be bitchy, but I still can't beleive nobody has commented on the fact that the embassy said "Bush is not responsible for Arab-Americans." He's the president of fucking America. Fuck the world, man.[/quote269edbc866]

I find it very unlikely that anyone at the embassy said that.

[quote09dc20d6cb="freedesktoppc"][quote09dc20d6cb="Killer722"]Got an email from my brother stating that he and my father are safe in Syria and got out one day before Isrealis bombed his street. He will be on a plane within the next 10 days. He said the Lebonese refugees called the American Embassy in Lebanon for help and the response they got was, "George Bush is not responsible for Arab - Americans...wtf? arab-[b09dc20d6cb]AMERICANS[/b09dc20d6cb] Coming from the President of [b09dc20d6cb]AMERICA[/b09dc20d6cb]. And for those ignorent peopel that say Lebanon deserves this, Isreal has no right to bomb innocent people. Why can't they do what they say "Strategic military targets against the Hezbollah" By bombing only the southern part of Lebanon where the Hezbollah Headquarters is. That makes more sense instead of "BOMB THE AIRPORTS AND THEN WE CAN KILL [b09dc20d6cb]ALL[/b09dc20d6cb] THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM ESCAPING." They've almost killed [b09dc20d6cb]100 INNOCENT civilians[/b09dc20d6cb] in retaliation for [b09dc20d6cb]2 kidnapped soldiers[/b09dc20d6cb]. What makes you think Lebanon has the military ability to disarm the Hezbollah? That would mean another civil war.[/quote09dc20d6cb]
Or they are trying to prevent the transportation of the hostages out of the country...first of all, there have not been 100 casualties. second of all, it was an act of war, don't start something you can't complete. Don't fuck around with the israeli army. So you are basically saying that you don't think it is worth your time to get rid of the terrorists? The modern countries spend whatever is necessary.[/quote09dc20d6cb]

LOL you speak as if the Israeli army just one day came up and become a powerful military. As an american, i know for sure if United States of America did not stand firm in its alliance with Israel. The arab world would eat Israel up in a heart beat.

news flash im leaving soon yay.... i saw the marines fly in on the helicopters this afternoon and they are finalizing plans. I am very pleased i will post once the embassey lets us know what the plans are.

did anyone hear about the american man that was seriously injured?

[quote5709bbbc17="Tropic32"][quote5709bbbc17="freedesktoppc"][quote5709bbbc17="Killer722"]Got an email from my brother stating that he and my father are safe in Syria and got out one day before Isrealis bombed his street. He will be on a plane within the next 10 days. He said the Lebonese refugees called the American Embassy in Lebanon for help and the response they got was, "George Bush is not responsible for Arab - Americans...wtf? arab-[b5709bbbc17]AMERICANS[/b5709bbbc17] Coming from the President of [b5709bbbc17]AMERICA[/b5709bbbc17]. And for those ignorent peopel that say Lebanon deserves this, Isreal has no right to bomb innocent people. Why can't they do what they say "Strategic military targets against the Hezbollah" By bombing only the southern part of Lebanon where the Hezbollah Headquarters is. That makes more sense instead of "BOMB THE AIRPORTS AND THEN WE CAN KILL [b5709bbbc17]ALL[/b5709bbbc17] THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM ESCAPING." They've almost killed [b5709bbbc17]100 INNOCENT civilians[/b5709bbbc17] in retaliation for [b5709bbbc17]2 kidnapped soldiers[/b5709bbbc17]. What makes you think Lebanon has the military ability to disarm the Hezbollah? That would mean another civil war.[/quote5709bbbc17]
Or they are trying to prevent the transportation of the hostages out of the country...first of all, there have not been 100 casualties. second of all, it was an act of war, don't start something you can't complete. Don't fuck around with the israeli army. So you are basically saying that you don't think it is worth your time to get rid of the terrorists? The modern countries spend whatever is necessary.[/quote5709bbbc17]

LOL you speak as if the Israeli army just one day came up and become a powerful military. As an american, i know for sure if United States of America did not stand firm in its alliance with Israel. The arab world would eat Israel up in a heart beat.[/quote5709bbbc17]
And that is why we beat them independently in 4 wars?

[quote7ce4f9a6d5="Killer722"]Not to be bitchy, but I still can't beleive nobody has commented on the fact that the embassy said "Bush is not responsible for Arab-Americans." He's the president of fucking America. Fuck the world, man.[/quote7ce4f9a6d5]

yea i don't believe this also

Why would my father lie? My dad is a respectable man in Lebanon, especially Beirut, and many people know his name. He owns a lot of land there, as well. The embassy told him those exact words, and you can deny me, but it's the truth.

the embassy certainly didnt say that to me when i went there. they said they will contact us when its time to go. americans are americans whether they are arab, african, asain, south american, australian whatever country you are from it doesnt matter once you are made a citizen you are entitled to the same protection as any other american. thats kinda what this country was built on.

[quote3c7896d5a3="freedesktoppc"][quote3c7896d5a3="Tropic32"][quote3c7896d5a3="freedesktoppc"][quote3c7896d5a3="Killer722"]Got an email from my brother stating that he and my father are safe in Syria and got out one day before Isrealis bombed his street. He will be on a plane within the next 10 days. He said the Lebonese refugees called the American Embassy in Lebanon for help and the response they got was, "George Bush is not responsible for Arab - Americans...wtf? arab-[b3c7896d5a3]AMERICANS[/b3c7896d5a3] Coming from the President of [b3c7896d5a3]AMERICA[/b3c7896d5a3]. And for those ignorent peopel that say Lebanon deserves this, Isreal has no right to bomb innocent people. Why can't they do what they say "Strategic military targets against the Hezbollah" By bombing only the southern part of Lebanon where the Hezbollah Headquarters is. That makes more sense instead of "BOMB THE AIRPORTS AND THEN WE CAN KILL [b3c7896d5a3]ALL[/b3c7896d5a3] THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM ESCAPING." They've almost killed [b3c7896d5a3]100 INNOCENT civilians[/b3c7896d5a3] in retaliation for [b3c7896d5a3]2 kidnapped soldiers[/b3c7896d5a3]. What makes you think Lebanon has the military ability to disarm the Hezbollah? That would mean another civil war.[/quote3c7896d5a3]
Or they are trying to prevent the transportation of the hostages out of the country...first of all, there have not been 100 casualties. second of all, it was an act of war, don't start something you can't complete. Don't fuck around with the israeli army. So you are basically saying that you don't think it is worth your time to get rid of the terrorists? The modern countries spend whatever is necessary.[/quote3c7896d5a3]

LOL you speak as if the Israeli army just one day came up and become a powerful military. As an american, i know for sure if United States of America did not stand firm in its alliance with Israel. The arab world would eat Israel up in a heart beat.[/quote3c7896d5a3]
And that is why we beat them independently in 4 wars?[/quote3c7896d5a3]


after recieving american support in the form of training and military items

all while the arab countries were being hounded by the U.S. and part of the UN

[quote37ffaae43a="Killer722"]Why would my father lie? My dad is a respectable man in Lebanon, especially Beirut, and many people know his name. He owns a lot of land there, as well. The embassy told him those exact words, and you can deny me, but it's the truth.[/quote37ffaae43a]

I do not know your father, and his reputation has nothing to do with my disbelief that someone at the American Embassy said what your father alleges was said. My guess is that he was joking or being sarcastic, and that you misunderstood.

"Bush is not responsible for Arab-Americans," if actually uttered by a representative of the US Embassy--especially during a conflict as intense and sensitive as this one--would lead to that employee's termination at a minimum, and would probably result in attacks on the embassy and its staff. Why would a representative of the US government (who was likely chosen for employment partially on the basis of his diplomatic skills) instigate conflict with one of his own countrymen during an already serious crisis? Especially when his exact location is known?

On top of its implausability, the structure of it suggests a clever but obvious hoax. In a single line, the story both infuriates its audience and unites them against a common enemy by directly naming Bush and using the hyphenated "Arab-American," it is implied that Bush semi-formally supports racism against Arabs in spite of their American citizenship. (If the embassy said it, he must have issued a memo to somebody, right?)

The US embassy is working to evacuate its citizens to Cypress, and there is no reason to believe that they are discriminating against anyone.

Americans in Lebanon seeking to evacuate can call 0-1-202-502-4444. If you're in America and have family in Lebanon, call 1-888-407-4747.

[quotea7d1c4eb3d="syriandoode"][quotea7d1c4eb3d="freedesktoppc"][quotea7d1c4eb3d="Tropic32"][quotea7d1c4eb3d="freedesktoppc"][quotea7d1c4eb3d="Killer722"]Got an email from my brother stating that he and my father are safe in Syria and got out one day before Isrealis bombed his street. He will be on a plane within the next 10 days. He said the Lebonese refugees called the American Embassy in Lebanon for help and the response they got was, "George Bush is not responsible for Arab - Americans...wtf? arab-[ba7d1c4eb3d]AMERICANS[/ba7d1c4eb3d] Coming from the President of [ba7d1c4eb3d]AMERICA[/ba7d1c4eb3d]. And for those ignorent peopel that say Lebanon deserves this, Isreal has no right to bomb innocent people. Why can't they do what they say "Strategic military targets against the Hezbollah" By bombing only the southern part of Lebanon where the Hezbollah Headquarters is. That makes more sense instead of "BOMB THE AIRPORTS AND THEN WE CAN KILL [ba7d1c4eb3d]ALL[/ba7d1c4eb3d] THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM ESCAPING." They've almost killed [ba7d1c4eb3d]100 INNOCENT civilians[/ba7d1c4eb3d] in retaliation for [ba7d1c4eb3d]2 kidnapped soldiers[/ba7d1c4eb3d]. What makes you think Lebanon has the military ability to disarm the Hezbollah? That would mean another civil war.[/quotea7d1c4eb3d]
Or they are trying to prevent the transportation of the hostages out of the country...first of all, there have not been 100 casualties. second of all, it was an act of war, don't start something you can't complete. Don't fuck around with the israeli army. So you are basically saying that you don't think it is worth your time to get rid of the terrorists? The modern countries spend whatever is necessary.[/quotea7d1c4eb3d]

LOL you speak as if the Israeli army just one day came up and become a powerful military. As an american, i know for sure if United States of America did not stand firm in its alliance with Israel. The arab world would eat Israel up in a heart beat.[/quotea7d1c4eb3d]
And that is why we beat them independently in 4 wars?[/quotea7d1c4eb3d]


after recieving american support in the form of training and military items

all while the arab countries were being hounded by the U.S. and part of the UN[/quotea7d1c4eb3d]
there is no U.S training. sure, we buy weapons from the U.s. in the later wars, but in 1948 we had nothing. Whereas you received weapons and support from England. In the next wars you received weapons and training from the soviets, so you can just keep your mouth closed about stuff you clearly know nothing about.

I am literally laughing that you say the arabs had the UN on their back. Most of the UN resolutions ever made have been against Israel. So I don't think you have any right to complain on that front either. you fall into the same trap of the people that keep on attacking us. You refuse to admit that you lost all the wars, in your head you always have an excuse (i.e. the US stopped us, the UN stopped us, etc.). It is just the opposite. Israel is the one which has been held back. We are the ones that took over all of your capitols, and pulled out immediately as a good faith gesture.

i dont refuse to admit we lost all the wars but whenever the U.S. sells its weapons to a country that they like, then those weapons come with trainers who stay and give them training with those weapons/tanks/jets etc

ill give it to Israel they are a very strong nation and they have endured a lot of hardship. Yes they kicked ass in the wars in the past and they certainly held their land well (wether i agree with the land issues is irrelvante) but they did have help from other nations it wasnt done completly alone. Honestly my sincere wish is that Hezbollah give up their weapons and that no more Jews or arabs die this has all got to stop. There has to be a end that is more peaceful thats all that we want.

[quote7ba96cdefc="syriandoode"]i dont refuse to admit we lost all the wars but whenever the U.S. sells its weapons to a country that they like, then those weapons come with trainers who stay and give them training with those weapons/tanks/jets etc[/quote7ba96cdefc]

You have no basis for saying that, it is a pure assumption, but assuming you are correcdt mr. military, so are you saying the russians were just shitty trainers? What do you have to say about all the weapons Israel developed or improved independently, while you continue to rely on others?

Wars are not only about the best weapons, or Israel would have been wiped off the map in 1948. It is all about strategy. That is how a country filled with holocaust survivors with no money or advanced weapons was able to defeat five developed and supplied armies.

[quote8857354cfb="Stroid"]ill give it to Israel they are a very strong nation and they have endured a lot of hardship. Yes they kicked ass in the wars in the past and they certainly held their land well (wether i agree with the land issues is irrelvante) but they did have help from other nations it wasnt done completly alone. Honestly my sincere wish is that Hezbollah give up their weapons and that no more Jews or arabs die this has all got to stop. There has to be a end that is more peaceful thats all that we want.[/quote8857354cfb]

The only war which any country got involved with Israel was the suez crisis in 1956, and that was a result of an international act of war which affected many countries in addition to israel.

At one point Israel worked with the Lebanese forces ( a christian militia which i support fully) to fight the muslims during the civil war. Israel actually has helped Lebanon in the past....the only difference this time is that they are really destroying Lebanon to the point where people are dying not only from bombs but from lack of medicine and soon there will be no gas or even food because of the blockade. If their supposed plan works i will eat all my words but i dont think the killing of so many inncocent civilians was called for there is nothing left in this country to blow up besides homes and businesses.

How did this turn into a "my country's military is better than yours" arguement. I think we can all agree the less civilian casualties the better, no matter who is stronger.

Israel disagrees.

[quote665ca39439="freedesktoppc"][quote665ca39439="Tropic32"][quote665ca39439="freedesktoppc"][quote665ca39439="Killer722"]Got an email from my brother stating that he and my father are safe in Syria and got out one day before Isrealis bombed his street. He will be on a plane within the next 10 days. He said the Lebonese refugees called the American Embassy in Lebanon for help and the response they got was, "George Bush is not responsible for Arab - Americans...wtf? arab-[b665ca39439]AMERICANS[/b665ca39439] Coming from the President of [b665ca39439]AMERICA[/b665ca39439]. And for those ignorent peopel that say Lebanon deserves this, Isreal has no right to bomb innocent people. Why can't they do what they say "Strategic military targets against the Hezbollah" By bombing only the southern part of Lebanon where the Hezbollah Headquarters is. That makes more sense instead of "BOMB THE AIRPORTS AND THEN WE CAN KILL [b665ca39439]ALL[/b665ca39439] THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM ESCAPING." They've almost killed [b665ca39439]100 INNOCENT civilians[/b665ca39439] in retaliation for [b665ca39439]2 kidnapped soldiers[/b665ca39439]. What makes you think Lebanon has the military ability to disarm the Hezbollah? That would mean another civil war.[/quote665ca39439]
Or they are trying to prevent the transportation of the hostages out of the country...first of all, there have not been 100 casualties. second of all, it was an act of war, don't start something you can't complete. Don't fuck around with the israeli army. So you are basically saying that you don't think it is worth your time to get rid of the terrorists? The modern countries spend whatever is necessary.[/quote665ca39439]

LOL you speak as if the Israeli army just one day came up and become a powerful military. As an american, i know for sure if United States of America did not stand firm in its alliance with Israel. The arab world would eat Israel up in a heart beat.[/quote665ca39439]
And that is why we beat them independently in 4 wars?[/quote665ca39439]
I support Israel but they didn't do it independently. They fight with weapons and jets bought at discount prices from the US.

[quoteca9d150ba2="Wolfeman"][quoteca9d150ba2="freedesktoppc"][quoteca9d150ba2="Tropic32"][quoteca9d150ba2="freedesktoppc"][quoteca9d150ba2="Killer722"]Got an email from my brother stating that he and my father are safe in Syria and got out one day before Isrealis bombed his street. He will be on a plane within the next 10 days. He said the Lebonese refugees called the American Embassy in Lebanon for help and the response they got was, "George Bush is not responsible for Arab - Americans...wtf? arab-[bca9d150ba2]AMERICANS[/bca9d150ba2] Coming from the President of [bca9d150ba2]AMERICA[/bca9d150ba2]. And for those ignorent peopel that say Lebanon deserves this, Isreal has no right to bomb innocent people. Why can't they do what they say "Strategic military targets against the Hezbollah" By bombing only the southern part of Lebanon where the Hezbollah Headquarters is. That makes more sense instead of "BOMB THE AIRPORTS AND THEN WE CAN KILL [bca9d150ba2]ALL[/bca9d150ba2] THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM ESCAPING." They've almost killed [bca9d150ba2]100 INNOCENT civilians[/bca9d150ba2] in retaliation for [bca9d150ba2]2 kidnapped soldiers[/bca9d150ba2]. What makes you think Lebanon has the military ability to disarm the Hezbollah? That would mean another civil war.[/quoteca9d150ba2]
Or they are trying to prevent the transportation of the hostages out of the country...first of all, there have not been 100 casualties. second of all, it was an act of war, don't start something you can't complete. Don't fuck around with the israeli army. So you are basically saying that you don't think it is worth your time to get rid of the terrorists? The modern countries spend whatever is necessary.[/quoteca9d150ba2]

LOL you speak as if the Israeli army just one day came up and become a powerful military. As an american, i know for sure if United States of America did not stand firm in its alliance with Israel. The arab world would eat Israel up in a heart beat.[/quoteca9d150ba2]
And that is why we beat them independently in 4 wars?[/quoteca9d150ba2]
I support Israel but they didn't do it independently. They fight with weapons and jets bought at discount prices from the US.[/quoteca9d150ba2]

Exactly.

I believe they use the same supplier as Freepay (they get them cheaper if they buy in bulk and slightly used).

Im still here and im doing fine. We are just waiting to hear from the embassy...ill post when i know more

[quote2e437acc94="Stroid"]Im still here and im doing fine. We are just waiting to hear from the embassy...ill post when i know more[/quote2e437acc94]
Get home safe...

i sent cnn an email and they posted it on cnn.com see if you can guess which person i am http//www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/16/feedback.emails/index.html FON dont help

I am a Lebanese-American who is visiting Lebanon for the summer. I was due to return on the 28th of July but now I am stuck and waiting for the evacuation. Lebanon is an amazing country and it is very sad that it is being destroyed this way. We are all hoping and praying that everyone stops bombing and people will quit dying. I have been lucky to be far away from any of the bombings, but it is sad to hear the jets fly over and to hear the bombs exploding in the distance. I can see Beirut from my balcony and even through the smoke I have faith we will rebuild and we will live again and Beirut will be beautiful again.
Ziad Chihane, Deek El Mehdi, Lebanon

damn your god! lol yup thats me

Whether you accept it or not, this is the beginning of World War III and the possible destruction of humanity.

all this this is so sad.

some people say that two soldiers do not justify this blood-shed response

others say if you dont make a stand and protect your people, two soliders will eventually turn to worse



I personally will not say fuck this country or fuck that country.
It is FUCK THE UNITED NATIONS for me.

They are so corrupt. I love how they stepped in when tibet was taken. I love how they stepped in when kashmir was taken. i love how they are stepping in with the crisis in sudan. fuckers. let all these people be killed, raped, separated, driven from their homeland, stripped of their rights, their freedom.

They are so corrupt to the core and most people do not even understand it. I wish more people saw this instead of seeing the UN as this protective shield.


This is so sad that so many will die and lose loved ones. I pray for this to end. I cannot imagine the fear that these people must carry. NO ONE should have to live that way, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, geographical location.

How sad it is. It makes me feel restless because i feel as though i cannot do anything about it and i want to do something about it.



PEOPLE NEED TO FUCKING LEARN YOU DONT TAKE LAND BECAUSE YOU WANT IT, YOU DONT ENGAGE IN GENOCIDE/ETHINIC CLEANSING BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE A GROUP, YOU DONT TERRORIZE INNOCENT PEOPLE.

IT is a vicisious cycle because in order to protect your people, more blood is shed.

This crisis right now makes me sad to be human. Regardless of whether you "side" with israel or lebanon, i think we should all pray for the safety and well being of everyone involved and pray it ends soon.

It is sad that your friend stroid is over there, but it looks like for some people it took having their friend involved to feel a deeper impact and gain more awareness that this isnt something going on "far away, over there, not in america."

and look at how quickly this happened!! This person started this thread bc he was going on vaction and needed info on an outlet er whatever!! All of a sudden his life is at jepardy. I pray for eveyone involved.


I am so sorry for anyone whose family or loved ones is involved, i pray for their safety.

glad to see you are ok. maybe someone should not personally attack someone who's life is in danger and whose country is getting bombed. that is just kicking a man while he is down!

Glad to hear you're getting out Stroid. )

Hope that you have a safe trip to cyprus. hopefully the weather will cooperate

yeah the weather is pretty good actually thats the least of my concerns. if any of you get an update about when they are gonna start the evacuation please let me know i have yet to hear when it will start

the news shows that they have the helicopters all prepped and they have this cruise liner that is willing to ship people to cyprus

just got this in the mail


i never really liked starbucks but it is a bit obvious


A Thank you To All Starbucks Customers

Written by Howard Schultz

Tuesday, 11 July 2006

Dear Starbucks Customer,

First and foremost I want to thank you for making Starbucks the $6.4 billion
global company it is today, with more than 90,000 employees, 9,700 stores,
and 33 million weekly customers. Every latte and macchiato you drink at
Starbucks is a contribution to the close alliance between the United States
and Israel , in fact it is - as I was assured when being honoured with the
Israel 50th Anniversary Friend of Zion Tribute Award - key to Israel s
long-term PR success. Your daily chocolate chips frappucino helps paying for
student projects in North America and Israel , presenting them with the
badly needed Israeli perspective of the Intifada.

Starbucks, through the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah, an international
network of Jewish education centres, sponsors Israeli military arms fairs in
an effort to strengthen the special connection between the American,
European and Israeli defense industries and to showcase the newest Israeli
innovations in defense. As my contribution to the fight against the global
rise of anti-Semitism, the reason behind the current conflict in the
Middle-East, I help Aish HaTorah sponsoring the website "
honestreporting.com and produce material informing of Israel s side of the
story.

Without you, my valued customer, I wouldnt be able to raise hundreds of
millions of dollars each year to support Israeli citizens from terrorist
attacks and keep reminding every Jew in America , to defend Israel at any
cost. $5 billion per year from the US government are no way near enough to
pay for all the weaponry, bulldozers and security fences needed to protect
innocent Israeli citizens from anti-Semitic Muslim terrorism. Corporate
sponsorships are essential.

Having the bigger picture in mind, Starbucks have donated a store to the US
army to help in the War on Terror. I cannot emphasise enough, how vital the
War on Terror is for the continued viability and prospering of the Jewish
State.

So next time you feel like chilling out at a Starbucks store, please
remember that with every cup you drink at Starbucks you are helping with a
noble cause.



Howard Schultz
Chairman & Chief Global Strategist
Starbucks Coffee Stores

Get that bullshit out of here, it's so obviously fake. Israelis never strap on a bomb and get on a bus or walk into a cafe for the sole reason of killing innocents. Think about if everytime you got on a bus or went to the market you had to worry if that guy or girl had 25lbs of C-4 strapped to their chest. They just want to be left alone...

A post on the US website for the US Embassy in Lebanon suggests that the US Government will charge to evacuate US citizens to Cyprus, who will then be expected to return to the US on standard commercial flights at their own expense.

http//beirut.usembassy.gov/lebanon/Lebanon_Situation_Update.html[]http//beirut.usembassy.gov/lebanon/Lebanon_Situation_Update.html

Stroid, it sounds like you won't be expected to pay up-front, but thought it was worth pointing out in case anyone you know is unaware.

lol
all the money we spend on defense and arms and we cant put people on a ship and send them 100 miles without charging them.

yeah i should be leaving tonight if i am on the first boat which i hope to be leaving tonight. yes the evacuation is not free but that really isnt a concern in the slightest bit. i should be able to board a plane using my existing ticket i will just get it switched over. this is the plane for now i will post if i find out more

[quote67e8f6d2b8="Stroid"]yeah i should be leaving tonight if i am on the first boat which i hope to be leaving tonight. yes the evacuation is not free but that really isnt a concern in the slightest bit. i should be able to board a plane using my existing ticket i will just get it switched over. this is the plane for now i will post if i find out more[/quote67e8f6d2b8]
so did you end up going to lebanon as a vacation and ended up as a nightmare?

yeah it was supposed to be a vacation and it was for 2 weeks.

news flash we just found out that the ship that is evacuating americans was held back by Israel from entering Lebanon because 400 lebanese people were on it. the boat has been in the mediteranean for a week now. Finally the US was able to get Israel to let them enter and they will be escorted by an american battleship back into lebanon. That really shows how much Israel wants to help big brother america roll

Wow, I just logged on and saw all of this. Stroid, I'm praying for you and your family. I really really hope you get out of there before it gets any worse.

I will admit I am one of "those" Americans that really don't pay close attention to what's going on outside of these borders, but damn, I'm wide awake now.

thanks Jadem i will be home soon ill keep everyone posted

[quotea911f46a12="Stroid"]news flash we just found out that the ship that is evacuating americans was held back by Israel from entering Lebanon because 400 lebanese people were on it. the boat has been in the mediteranean for a week now. Finally the US was able to get Israel to let them enter and they will be escorted by an american battleship back into lebanon. That really shows how much Israel wants to help big brother america roll[/quotea911f46a12]

Weird. The ship had 400 Lebanese going [ia911f46a12]to[/ia911f46a12] Lebanon? I'd think the people there (Short of Hezbollah) would want [ia911f46a12]out[/ia911f46a12]. ?

Israel isn't an ally as much as, say, Canada or the UK. They are far more independent, so it doesn't surprise me [ia911f46a12]that[/ia911f46a12] much. They'd never fire on a US ship though.

[quotebc438db36f="Tholek"]Israel isn't an ally as much as, say, Canada or the UK. They are far more independent, so it doesn't surprise me [ibc438db36f]that[/ibc438db36f] much. They'd never fire on a US ship though.[/quotebc438db36f]
Yeah no way in hell. Without our protection they'd be in serious trouble...

yeah people that live here have no choice they have to comeback where else are they gonna go. Say you went on vacation and while you are gone this starts you must come back to your home maybe you have children or elderly parents. Many people are coming back you must remember we endured over 15yrs of war people are used to this as compared to other places

[quote557b84f30b="Tholek"][quote557b84f30b="Stroid"]news flash we just found out that the ship that is evacuating americans was held back by Israel from entering Lebanon because 400 lebanese people were on it. the boat has been in the mediteranean for a week now. Finally the US was able to get Israel to let them enter and they will be escorted by an american battleship back into lebanon. That really shows how much Israel wants to help big brother america roll[/quote557b84f30b]

Weird. The ship had 400 Lebanese going [i557b84f30b]to[/i557b84f30b] Lebanon? I'd think the people there (Short of Hezbollah) would want [i557b84f30b]out[/i557b84f30b]. ?

Israel isn't an ally as much as, say, Canada or the UK. They are far more independent, so it doesn't surprise me [i557b84f30b]that[/i557b84f30b] much. They'd never fire on a US ship though.[/quote557b84f30b]


I know all of them are not, but i think some of those lebanese on the ship were guardians of minor americans, said somethin about that on cnn

Israel thinks there could be Hezbollah among them to strengthen the ranks?

[quote60ca2b2a29="Tholek"]Israel thinks there could be Hezbollah among them to strengthen the ranks?[/quote60ca2b2a29] no i think its just to be dickheads honestly...if they thought that there is probably any easier way to deal with them like say detain people that are thought to be suspicious the lebanese army would easily wait at the port and check all persons coming of the boat. im still waiting as are thousands of others im hoping for tomorrow. thank god im in a safe place im way better off then many others

[quote4d46ac02a4="KeithA"]A post on the US website for the US Embassy in Lebanon suggests that the US Government will charge to evacuate US citizens to Cyprus, who will then be expected to return to the US on standard commercial flights at their own expense.

http//beirut.usembassy.gov/lebanon/Lebanon_Situation_Update.html[]http//beirut.usembassy.gov/lebanon/Lebanon_Situation_Update.html

Stroid, it sounds like you won't be expected to pay up-front, but thought it was worth pointing out in case anyone you know is unaware.[/quote4d46ac02a4]

That's so wrong and so sad. roll shock

Technically, the evacuation isn't mandatory yet, so they can get away with "we strongly recommend you leave". I felt a little ashamed about that when other countries paid to evac their people. (

You have to pay if an ambulance comes to get you and its fucking expensive.

Well I mean it's common sense to me.

Citizens of your country are in a war zone with their lives in danger each and every day, and you're going to charge them money so you can "save their lives"?

Whatever happened to just caring about your fellow "man" and doing what is right and getting them out of there safely and as quickly as possible? Whoever decided to charge the evacuees needs a wakeup call.

[quote670f38daf1="Wolfeman"]You have to pay if an ambulance comes to get you and its fucking expensive.[/quote670f38daf1]

Not to thread-jack, but that's something else that should be a human right and at no cost; Health Care regardless of your income level and employment status.

indeed it is wrong and sad...from CNN [quote5670314a42]Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who said the United States has an obligation to get citizens out of harm's way without "quibbling over payment."

"A nation that can provide more than $300 billion for a war in Iraq can provide the money to get its people out of Lebanon," the California Democrat said in a statement. "I call upon the president to remove one worry from the minds of stranded American citizens in Lebanon and their families back home by declaring immediately that their country will bear the costs of bringing them to safety."[/quote5670314a42]
she is so incredibly correct i cant agree with her more.

Not a fan of Nancy Pelosi (at all) but I've got to agree with her on this one.

arrow Iran's Hizbollah says ready to attack US, Israel[=http//today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-07-18T180844Z_01_OLI848020_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-IRAN-HIZBOLLAH.xml&src=rss&rpc=22]Iran's Hizbollah says ready to attack US, Israel

That would be reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally dumb...

yeah let them try TEAM AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!

roll

[quotec60a185ec8="Stroid"]yeah let them try TEAM AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!![/quotec60a185ec8]
HAHA! Glad to see you haven't lost your sense of humor P

But really attacking us would just rally the UN and our allies against them...

OH NOES 2,000 recruits!!

Just curious, has Rush or Hannity spun what Pelosi said yet?

[quote32e18ccb59="Veek"]roll[/quote32e18ccb59] whats wrong veek you didnt approve of my joke (

I want team "no one bomb and kill innocent people", really.

That includes people here, you over there, or anyone that shouldn't be suffering because of the country they were born in.

That is all.

yeah i agree with you man that would be kick ass

just got this email a bit ago i should be leaving tomorrow i already replied back with my information that they requested.

[quote51d466c765]A Message to the American Citizens in Lebanon

US Department of State Warden Message

The Department of State and U.S. Embassy in Beirut are pleased to inform you that two ships will arrive in Beirut on July 19 in order to assist Americans wanting to depart Lebanon for Cyprus, with onward travel to the United States. If you have already received notification of these ships and have indicated your ability to travel, you may ignore this message.

If you and your immediate family members (defined as spouse and minor children) are able to depart on one of these ships, please contact us by email (ASKOCS@state.gov) or by telephone at 202-501-4444 or 1-888-407-4747 if calling within the U.S. You will need to provide the full name, date and place of birth, and U.S. passport number for each traveler. Immediate family members who are not U.S. citizens must be properly documented as legal permanent residents or be in possession of a valid U.S. visa.


We will provide a time and further logistical details to you when we receive your information and confirmation that you are prepared to travel.

If we are unable to schedule you for a ship on July 19, you will receive information on how to depart on another ship at the earliest possible opportunity. As you may have seen in the media, we are working on a number of options that will be available to Americans seeking to depart Lebanon. [/quote51d466c765]


and one more thing if you dont agree with the current war on Lebanon there are several protest around the world if you can make it to one of them if its in your area your support is appreciatted here are the times and locations.....Please nobody flame this appeal for support it's not your place. If you dont like the idea keep it to yourself.

[quote51d466c765]Wednesday July 19, 2006

Australia, Sydney - (12 noon - 3PM), at Wynyard Park on York Street Sydney (behind Wynyard station).
Canada, Ottawa - ( 700 PM) Parliament Hill
Switzerland, Genève - (6 PM) Sur le Pont du Mont-Blanc côté Jardin Anglais (contact email==info@rpl-suisse.orginfo@rpl-suisse.org=info@rpl-suisse.orginfo@rpl-suisse.org/email)
Togo, Lome - (7 PM)
USA / Boston - (4-7pm) at Gibran Khalil Gibran's sculpture which is at Coplay Place, Boston
USA / LA (400 PM to 600 PM) Israeli Consulate in Los Angeles 6380 Wilshire Blvd, LA (near Wilshire & San Vicente)
USA / Florida (12 PM) Place Turlington Hall - University of Florida
USA/ San Francisco (4 PM)- Israeli Consulate
USA/Washington DC (11 AM) - Freedom Plaza in Downtown DC
USA/Seattle (5 PM)- Westlake Park
USA/Boston (12 PM)- City Hall Plaza


Thursday July 20, 2006

Germany, Stade - (3PM) Street Am Sande
Qatar, Doha - (8 30 PM) Location Lebanese School
Spain
Madrid (730 PM) from Puerta del Sol to Plaza de Ópera (Isabel II).
Barcelona (800 PM) Plaça Sant Jaume
Tarragona (730 PM) Rambla Nova. Estatua dels Despullats
Lleida (800 PM) Plaça Paeria

Saturday July 22, 2006

Australia, Adelaide - (12PM) at Parliament house in Adelaide
France, Dijon - Place Darcy (13h30)
Germany, Munich - (330 PM) Kalsplatz
Germany, Hanover - Kröpcke Strass
Germany, Frankfurt - (2 PM) - Near US Consulate
Hong Kong - (1100 AM) in central station Hong Kong
UK, London - (12PM) march from Parliament sqare to Marble Arch
Netherlands, Amsterdam - At the Beursplein[/quote51d466c765]

very graphic and dont know if all is true but most is....http//www.vcoders.org/page3.htm

War sucks but saying Israel is all at fault is wrong...

Wow, that's a lot of protests. The ones in Sydney and London should be pretty big. The closest to me is DC.

Do you know if you still have to pay to get out of there Stroid?

only in your opinion wolfe....i know hezbollah is at fault but so is Israel they are both wrong in so many ways. Israel kills Lebanese as if we arent human. And i can vouche for those pictures on that site most i have seen on Lebanese tv. They dont sensor much of the war just the really gruesome stuff.

[quote906654edc9="theysayjump"]Wow, that's a lot of protests. The ones in Sydney and London should be pretty big. The closest to me is DC.

Do you know if you still have to pay to get out of there Stroid?[/quote906654edc9] As far as i know yes you do but thats not really a concern right now. Basically ill deal with that later.

People need to open their eyes past the american media its very censored. It's unbelievable what i see on CNN compared to Lebanese tv it's like they are filming two different wars.

[quotea2aae75004="Stroid"]only in your opinion wolfe....i know hezbollah is at fault but so is Israel they are both wrong in so many ways. Israel kills Lebanese as if we arent human. And i can vouche for those pictures on that site most i have seen on Lebanese tv. They dont sensor much of the war just the really gruesome stuff.[/quotea2aae75004]
I agree that Israel is going overboard but they are a people that are persecuted and attacked on their own land. People get on buses with bombs or going into cafes and markets for the sole purpose of killing innocents. Israel doesn't target civilians. Civilians have been been killed but it isn't their goal.

I hate all war and I wish we all could just accept eachothers' religions and just get over it...

wolfe thats a whole other debate about the land and i dont wanna get into that cause my views about the land are totaly different then yours. And yes they are targeting civilians they have bombed busses traveling evacuating from the bombed areas they have attacked aprtment buildings they attacked a Lebanese army barrack in the north and the Lebanese army has not shot one bullet at them. They are killing mass civilians. I have seen it and know people that have been directly affected by the bombings. Now i know Israel didnt say hey lets kill some arabs today but when you bomb a bus full of children and their parents just trying to evacuate thats fucked up. Now all the busses are putting huge flags on top to signal to the jets that they have innocent people on them. Entire sections of Beirut are no longer on the map thousands upon thousands of people are homeless and hungry. Please look outside the box and see the truth this is no longer self defense this is destruction.

[quotea3942920eb="Stroid"]People need to open their eyes past the american media its very censored. It's unbelievable what i see on CNN compared to Lebanese tv it's like they are filming two different wars.[/quotea3942920eb]

Agreed.

It was the same coming from Scotland and watching the BBC, then coming here and watching CNN or Fox News.

People should watch a film called Control Room. That opened my eyes big time about how bad the media in this country is. I mean I knew it was pretty lame, but not this lame.

http//imdb.com/title/tt0391024/

[quotea3942920eb]A chronicle which provides a rare window into the international perception of the Iraq War, courtesy of Al Jazeera, the Arab world's most popular news outlet. Roundly criticized by Cabinet members and Pentagon officials for reporting with a pro-Iraqi bias, and strongly condemned for frequently airing civilian causalities as well as footage of American POWs, the station has revealed (and continues to show the world) everything about the Iraq War that the Bush administration did not want it to see.[/quotea3942920eb]

news flash fees are going to be waived for the evacuation -) according to cnn...anyways im going to bed i have to be at the pick point in Beirut (safe from the bombings) at 1pm and i have alot of shit to do. goodnight

Hope it goes well man.

Try to take some pics. wink

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You're a fucking perv, Jump.

so the spot on the boat that was reserved for me and my sister obviously was taken by someone else....they told hundreds of people to come at 1, 3, and 5 but they filled all the boats before 1pm. I am reserved on the boat that leaves tomorrow i must be there at 8am. Hopefully it should work out tomorrow.

[quote39b1539568="freedesktoppc"]there is no U.S training.[/quote39b1539568]

I had to laugh at this.

[quote8f8498aafe="Brutus"][quote8f8498aafe="freedesktoppc"]there is no U.S training.[/quote8f8498aafe]

I had to laugh at this.[/quote8f8498aafe]

shut the fuck up. I was in the Israeli army, and I asusre you there were no american instructors or trainers. Obviously they don't just dump boxes with f16s, but it is not as if it is a US trained army.

Do you know Krav Maga?

[quote450a19b660="freedesktoppc"][quote450a19b660="Brutus"][quote450a19b660="freedesktoppc"]there is no U.S training.[/quote450a19b660]

I had to laugh at this.[/quote450a19b660]

shut the fuck up. I was in the Israeli army, and I asusre you there were no american instructors or trainers. Obviously they don't just dump boxes with f16s, but it is not as if it is a US trained army.[/quote450a19b660] no wonder you are so defensive now it all comes together

[quote891e45e487="freedesktoppc"][quote891e45e487="Brutus"][quote891e45e487="freedesktoppc"]there is no U.S training.[/quote891e45e487]

I had to laugh at this.[/quote891e45e487]

shut the fuck up. I was in the Israeli army, and I asusre you there were no american instructors or trainers. Obviously they don't just dump boxes with f16s, but it is not as if it is a US trained army.[/quote891e45e487]
Drop the attitude. I don't care where you're from or which side of this argument you're own, leave the personal attacks out it. Tell somebody else to shut the fuck up and I'll ban you myself.

Brutus just might have some professional insight on this matter. He and I both are former US military and he still works for DOD. I won't speak for him, but during my military duty I've been involved in the training of quite a number of foreign military services, [b891e45e487]Israel included.[/b891e45e487] Being "in the Israeli army" doesn't make you qualified to know everything there is to know about how their entire armed forces operates and is trained.

[quote81e528b2ee="Stroid"]no wonder you are so defensive now it all comes together[/quote81e528b2ee]

Still, nearly every Israeli citizen has to serve in the military, and not all agree with the administration.

[quote34a1415c3c="dmorris68"][quote34a1415c3c="freedesktoppc"][quote34a1415c3c="Brutus"][quote34a1415c3c="freedesktoppc"]there is no U.S training.[/quote34a1415c3c]

I had to laugh at this.[/quote34a1415c3c]

shut the fuck up. I was in the Israeli army, and I asusre you there were no american instructors or trainers. Obviously they don't just dump boxes with f16s, but it is not as if it is a US trained army.[/quote34a1415c3c]
Drop the attitude. I don't care where you're from or which side of this argument you're own, leave the personal attacks out it. Tell somebody else to shut the fuck up and I'll ban you myself.

Brutus just might have some professional insight on this matter. He and I both are former US military and he still works for DOD. I won't speak for him, but during my military duty I've been involved in the training of quite a number of foreign military services, [b34a1415c3c]Israel included.[/b34a1415c3c] Being "in the Israeli army" doesn't make you qualified to know everything there is to know about how their entire armed forces operates and is trained.[/quote34a1415c3c]

Lol, that was my brother guys. This is the real me, so the crappy "Owned" pictures WILL stop.

That is all. 8)

No need to instigate matters further, Killer. Let's just get back to discussing Stroid's safe return. ;)

my cousins and aunt just made it into aleppo recently but it sounded scary as hell cuz they said they took a bus on the road to syria that wasnt bombed and they kept thinking something was gonna happen

yeah that has been a general fear in this country...even leaving on the boat will be quite scary but i trust our military

good luck with the trip tomorrow.

[quote8d66fee6b1="freedesktoppc"][quote8d66fee6b1="Brutus"][quote8d66fee6b1="freedesktoppc"]there is no U.S training.[/quote8d66fee6b1]

I had to laugh at this.[/quote8d66fee6b1]

shut the fuck up. I was in the Israeli army, and I asusre you there were no american instructors or trainers. Obviously they don't just dump boxes with f16s, but it is not as if it is a US trained army.[/quote8d66fee6b1]

I didn't mean to offend you, I just thougt it was funny, because we had some pilots come thru training on the F-16.

That is most likely part of some type of a mutual training program, which both the US and Israel have with many different countries. I can assure you first hand that Israelis are trained by Israelis, not Americans.

but isn't it possible that the Israelis that trained you were trained in training teqniques by Americans?

i think that when the israelis were intially sold weapons, they were taught how to train others in their use by americans

Well I learned something today.

Think he's on his way back to the US now? I don't know what the time difference is....

[quote55da64e411="jadem"]Think he's on his way back to the US now? I don't know what the time difference is....[/quote55da64e411]

I would assume he is (or at least trying) since we have yet to hear from him. He's been checking in fairly regularly up until now.

The time difference is about +6 hours.

also dont forget that he may have been unable to or not wanted to book flights out of cyprus until he knew he was going there. so...he may be in a hotel booking a flight.

Even if you are right, then the US army was trained by Lockheed Martin, etc., so then you can say they are the ones who are really gods of the world. can anyone here please give Israel the credit they deserve, and not say its all from the US.

[quote9b05d848ef="freedesktoppc"]Even if you are right, then the US army was trained by Lockheed Martin, etc., so then you can say they are the ones who are really gods of the world. can anyone here please give Israel the credit they deserve, and not say its all from the US.[/quote9b05d848ef]
I don't think anybody (with a clue, at least) said Israel's military deserved no credit. The implication was made that Israel did not receive US training. We refuted that. That is all.

Israel in fact has a formidable and impressive military, the best in the region by far I would say. Thanks in no small part to the assistance in hardware and training that they've received from their Western allies. But they are certainly a well-disciplined, fearless, and effective force.

Lockheed/Martin, Raytheon, Hughes, Boeing, et al are defense contractors. Engineers, and very good ones. They build things to military specifications and teach the military the technical aspects of their operation. Beyond that, they do not teach nor dictate military tactics, so you would be incorrect to say they are any sort of military "god" although our military (and yours) would certainly be less advanced without their talents.

But all of that is immaterial to the topic of discussion here, which is Stroid's safe return.

[quoted6af58cad9="dmorris68"][quoted6af58cad9="freedesktoppc"]Even if you are right, then the US army was trained by Lockheed Martin, etc., so then you can say they are the ones who are really gods of the world. can anyone here please give Israel the credit they deserve, and not say its all from the US.[/quoted6af58cad9]
I don't think anybody (with a clue, at least) said Israel's military deserved no credit. The implication was made that Israel did not receive US training. We refuted that. That is all.

Israel in fact has a formidable and impressive military, the best in the region by far I would say. Thanks in no small part to the assistance in hardware and training that they've received from their Western allies. But they are certainly a well-disciplined, fearless, and effective force.

Lockheed/Martin, Raytheon, Hughes, Boeing, et al are defense contractors. Engineers, and very good ones. They build things to military specifications and teach the military the technical aspects of their operation. Beyond that, they do not teach nor dictate military tactics, so you would be incorrect to say they are any sort of military "god" although our military (and yours) would certainly be less advanced without their talents.

But all of that is immaterial to the topic of discussion here, which is Stroid's safe return.[/quoted6af58cad9]

per what you said, they teach the U.S. technical aspects of the weapon, and the U.S. teaches it to Israel and many others. Syriandoode and others have repeatedly implied that they think that Israel's army is completely dependent on the US, which is not true.

[quote2fabc3262d="Wolfeman"]Israel doesn't target civilians. Civilians have been been killed but it isn't their goal.[/quote2fabc3262d]

You would like to think so, but it is hard to believe considering the realities in this conflict. Of the 340 Lebanese killed so far, over 300 were civilians and there are reports that a THIRD of them were children. They have destroyed civilian infrastructure milk factories, grain silos, over 50 bridges (making it difficult or impossible to get aid to areas, or for refugees to escape), the international airport, roads, and even medical trucks. 500,000 of Lebanon's 4 million population are displaced, and looking for safety.

This is a very weak country that had been slowly rebuilding itself. The initial attacks were made by the Hezbollah who do not represent the whole country. Israel's attacks are going to have the opposite of their desired affect. Lebanese that were initially angry at Hezbollah are turning to agree with them after seeing Israel's continued civilian targeted attacks. These attacks will only gain Hezbollah support in Lebanon and the rest of the region.

[quoteede7c46561="xigxag"][quoteede7c46561="Wolfeman"]Israel doesn't target civilians. Civilians have been been killed but it isn't their goal.[/quoteede7c46561]

You would like to think so, but it is hard to believe considering the realities in this conflict. Of the 340 Lebanese killed so far, over 300 were civilians and there are reports that a THIRD of them were children. They have destroyed civilian infrastructure milk factories, grain silos, over 50 bridges (making it difficult or impossible to get aid to areas, or for refugees to escape), the international airport, roads, and even medical trucks. 500,000 of Lebanon's 4 million population are displaced, and looking for safety.

This is a very weak country that had been slowly rebuilding itself. The initial attacks were made by the Hezbollah who do not represent the whole country. Israel's attacks are going to have the opposite of their desired affect. Lebanese that were initially angry at Hezbollah are turning to agree with them after seeing Israel's continued civilian targeted attacks. These attacks will only gain Hezbollah support in Lebanon and the rest of the region.[/quoteede7c46561]
Lebanon shouldn't support terrorists. You can't believe the propaganda coming out of the media of both sides. The Israeli government is making it clear what they are targeting and these governments are notorious for putting civilians in military targets so when they are attacked they can cry foul. Israel just wants to be left alone in peace but they won't let these countries terrorize them with no consequences...

They will be bombed into submission. Obviously the government isn't capable of controlling the terrorist networks withen the country. The israeli government can't attempt to fight and enemy that is always hiding except for when they attack, all they can do is bomb lebanon into submission. They will emerge from the conflict in ruins, but you can make damn sure they will figure out a way to control the Hezbollah in the future.

Much like the US did to Lybia back in 1986. People say that it doesn't work, but it always does...

EDIT I feel sorry for you, your family and your homeland Stroid, but I don't think what Israel is doing is wrong here.

whatever i dont need anyone to tell me they agree with Israel i dont agree with Israel or Hezbollah! I am currently in Cyprus and i spent the night here it is 745am right now. I have a flight to Paris at 1020 and then to NYC i will arrive in the US around 8pm Eastern time. From that point i must buy a ticket to get me to Atlanta. Thanks everyone for you concern and hopefully i will be home tonight. I am wishing that when i get to Paris i can change my flight directly to Atlanta.

Israelis are massing at the border....

Glad to hear you're safe Stroid.

Have a safe trip back. Good thing you were able to get out of there.

im in New York now and i am at the Ramada near JFK .... i am buying a plane ticket back to Atlanta tomorrow i should be back home probably around 2 or 3. Thanks for everyones concern i am back in the states and i am safe.

cheer

Welcome Home

stroid welcome home im glad you made it safe here

crazy stuff is going on now

Glad to hear you're ok. )

Good to hear you're back and safe!

don't forget to get a refund for your prior tickets (the ones u would have used had the runway been operable) - this will help defray the cost that you have just incurred.
glad u are in the states

i cant get a refund i used that ticket from Cyprus back to New York...i didnt want to wait on the US to take me back to the US. they said it could have been days before i left and i didnt really wanna stay in a refugee camp. Either way I am back in Atlanta now and i am thrilled to be back. Thanks for your concern

[quote0a655e4eb7="Stroid"]i cant get a refund i used that ticket from Cyprus back to New York...i didnt want to wait on the US to take me back to the US. they said it could have been days before i left and i didnt really wanna stay in a refugee camp. Either way I am back in Atlanta now and i am thrilled to be back. Thanks for your concern[/quote0a655e4eb7]


got any pics of the cyprus camp?

[quotea352ecb13d="xigxag"][quotea352ecb13d="Wolfeman"]Israel doesn't target civilians. Civilians have been been killed but it isn't their goal.[/quotea352ecb13d]

You would like to think so, but it is hard to believe considering the realities in this conflict. Of the 340 Lebanese killed so far, over 300 were civilians and there are reports that a THIRD of them were children. They have destroyed civilian infrastructure milk factories, grain silos, over 50 bridges (making it difficult or impossible to get aid to areas, or for refugees to escape), the international airport, roads, and even medical trucks. 500,000 of Lebanon's 4 million population are displaced, and looking for safety.

This is a very weak country that had been slowly rebuilding itself. The initial attacks were made by the Hezbollah who do not represent the whole country. Israel's attacks are going to have the opposite of their desired affect. Lebanese that were initially angry at Hezbollah are turning to agree with them after seeing Israel's continued civilian targeted attacks. These attacks will only gain Hezbollah support in Lebanon and the rest of the region.[/quotea352ecb13d]

I think they target civilian infrastructure for a reason; to make a divide in the country bigger. If they can spark civil war then the Lebanese would be too busy fighting to attack Israel. I think Israel would rather have the Lebanese killing each other then Israel having to keep fighting them and having infrantry in the country for years.

i never went to the refugee camp i went straight to a hotel i didnt want to deal with that shit

Now that Stroid is safe & sound, I'll respond to some of the military questions and misinformation.

Israel attacks civilian infrastructure because it's basic military doctrine. We (the US) do the exact same thing, as does any modern, effective military force.

Almost any organized enemy force shares common infrastructure with the civilian population -- roads, bridges, electricity, manufacturing plants, airports, etc. Cutting the enemy off from his infrastructure is a crucial and extremely effective method of diminishing his sustained fighting ability. Yes, it's a hardship on the innocent -- it's war, it's a hardship on everybody involved. Unfortunately you can't separate the enemy from the civilian, so you attack infrastructure and those targets which otherwise give the enemy an advantage (such as high ground), with the hope of minimizing civilian casualties. Note the Israeli's dropping leaflets telling everybody they have so many hours to evacuate before they bomb the place. Some might wonder "why warn the enemy located there that they're going to attack?" Because they are less after enemy casualties than infrastructure targets. They know by depriving the enemy force of its critical supplies and strategic real-estate, they do far more damage than killing a handful of enemy soldiers, and by warning the population they save at least some innocent lives.

I'm not necessarily taking sides with everything Israel does -- I don't particularly approve of all of their policies -- but the way they're fighting this conflict is consistent with a desire to minimize innocent casualties, otherwise they would just level everything and everywhere the enemy limightli be found, with no regard at all for innocents. I'm quite confident in the fact that Israel isn't out to kill innocents, they are just determined enough in their mission to accept that it will happen to some degree. Again, same as the US and any other modern fighting force.

So, to be clear attacking civilian infrastructure is not the same thing as attacking civilians. Civilians are bound to suffer, certainly, but it is still a far cry from the common terrorist tacking of actually [i457952ec87]targeting[/i457952ec87] civilians with the expressed intent of killing as many as possible.