9/11 Pentagon video goes public for first time

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http//www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html[]http//www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

Hopefully this will lay some of the more incredible conspiracy theories to rest...

The sad thing is that the conspiracy theorists will just claim the video was doctored...

funny, that's exactly what a missle attack looks like

lol

(just messin)[/sizebc69c65de5]

( The judicial watch page won't load for me.

it doesn't work on a mac.

[quote2ec67248da="jadem"]( The judicial watch page won't load for me.[/quote2ec67248da]

same here. its probably swamped.

I don't see anything different from the images that were released a long time ago. From what I saw on cnn and fox, the "nose of the plane" they keep zooming in on is ridiculous. Its so blurry it could be anything. If anything, this gives the conspiritors a whole lot more publicity by saying that ridiculous video proves a plane hit it. Are they planning on releasing anything more than that bs that they have come out with already?

Please host the video at yousendit or otherwise if you've downloaded it.

^^^^^ Yarly.

http//www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html

Videos are down the page a bit. I still haven't seen these because its some weird rtsp protocol, and its reached its limit. I have seen them on fox and cnn though, and I am probably more convinced they are covering this up. To anyone who thought this would be substantial evidence to quiet conspirators, you will be dissapointed.

why does my mozilla never play any videos (((

foxnews.com has the video...

i am trying to watch it now, but the computer here has no sound...

i have no idea how that could be a plane....

It doesn't work in I.E either, nor can you download them from the site.

There are a few torrents with the videos at http//www.conspiracycentral.net6969/

[quote293164b966="dmorris68"]The sad thing is that the conspiracy theorists will just claim the video was doctored...[/quote293164b966]
Always!

[quote31091c87e3="Wolfeman"][quote31091c87e3="dmorris68"]The sad thing is that the conspiracy theorists will just claim the video was doctored...[/quote31091c87e3]
Always![/quote31091c87e3]

What are you talking about? Did you watch the video?
I am usually openminded about this kind of stuff, and I am not at all claiming this was doctored. Its plain and simple, from this video, there is no boeing 757.

Remember this is what you are looking for.

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[quoted530e17369="ajrock2000"][quoted530e17369="Wolfeman"][quoted530e17369="dmorris68"]The sad thing is that the conspiracy theorists will just claim the video was doctored...[/quoted530e17369]
Always![/quoted530e17369]

What are you talking about? Did you watch the video?
I am usually openminded about this kind of stuff, and I am not at all claiming this was doctored. Its plain and simple, from this video, there is no boeing 757.

Remember this is what you are looking for.

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thats also what supposedly disentegrated upon impact.

i thought that was what was being said, but i could be wrong. i thought there was almost nothing left of the thing.... when that greek plane hit a mountain at full speed a while back, there was plenty of wreckage found.

I watched it on FOX but I thought it was an actual video? All I saw were frames of a video that showed a fireball and then some smoke (but no jetfuel burning off).

I'm into conspiracy theories but if they show me a plane hitting the Pentagon I'll believe it but so far that haven't proven shit. Even people who disagree with the conspiracy theorists can't say it definitely looks like a plane.

If anything, that video release will just revive the rebate. Although the guy speaking on the foxnews.com pretty much says the video is useless and inconclusive, the article says that it is clearly a plane nose rolleyes.

I was never a conspiracy theorist about the pentagon, but if that's really what the video showed (which is nothing), why did they hide it up until now? Makes no sense.

[quote20ec0d3dbf="theysayjump"]I watched it on FOX but I thought it was an actual video? All I saw were frames of a video that showed a fireball and then some smoke (but no jetfuel burning off).

I'm into conspiracy theories but if they show me a plane hitting the Pentagon I'll believe it but so far that haven't proven shit. Even people who disagree with the conspiracy theorists can't say it definitely looks like a plane.[/quote20ec0d3dbf]

sure it looks like a plane. and i bet if they panned out a bit, you would see the 12 year old holding the remote control.

i am with you, though. if it was proof, i would have no problem believing it, but all this does is put me on edge. if thats a 757, i am the queen of england.

[quote464aee5353="ajrock2000"]http//www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html

Videos are down the page a bit. I still haven't seen these because its some weird rtsp protocol, and its reached its limit. I have seen them on fox and cnn though, and I am probably more convinced they are covering this up. To anyone who thought this would be substantial evidence to quiet conspirators, you will be dissapointed.[/quote464aee5353]

Reached capacity, grrr.

[quote399e7b9b6b="ajrock2000"]There are a few torrents with the videos at http//www.conspiracycentral.net6969/[/quote399e7b9b6b]
Do you have the torrent you can upload on yousendit?

[quote634ccc1fee="hehehhehe"][quote634ccc1fee="ajrock2000"]There are a few torrents with the videos at http//www.conspiracycentral.net6969/[/quote634ccc1fee]
Do you have the torrent you can upload on yousendit?[/quote634ccc1fee]

Why can't you just download the torrent yourself?

[quote89bbc789f4="hehehhehe"]If anything, that video release will just revive the rebate. Although the guy speaking on the foxnews.com pretty much says the video is useless and inconclusive, the article says that it is clearly a plane nose rolleyes.

I was never a conspiracy theorist about the pentagon, but if that's really what the video showed (which is nothing), why did they hide it up until now? Makes no sense.[/quote89bbc789f4]

i cant hear any audio so i have no idea whatthe reporter said, but about the nose part

what i took from the article is that they are saying you can clearly see the nose cone, but the rest of the plane is a blur. also, they say that there is another unreleased video where you supposedly see more of the plane. personally i think that the blur would be a tad larger if it were in fact the blur of a plane.

[quote105f41bcd8="ajrock2000"][quote105f41bcd8="hehehhehe"][quote105f41bcd8="ajrock2000"]There are a few torrents with the videos at http//www.conspiracycentral.net6969/[/quote105f41bcd8]
Do you have the torrent you can upload on yousendit?[/quote105f41bcd8]

Why can't you just download the torrent yourself?[/quote105f41bcd8]
I don't want to register at the site. It's okay, I found the same torrent somewhere else.

I'm not convinced.. ?

But then again... What happened to the passengers of Flight 77 if it never took place?

[quotec768896b8b="h3x"]I'm not convinced.. ?

But then again... What happened to the passengers of Flight 77 if it never took place?[/quotec768896b8b]
Thats always been a point no one talks about. If all those planes were military did they just bury the real passengers in a mass grave?

[quotec64d2eb645="h3x"]I'm not convinced.. ?

But then again... What happened to the passengers of Flight 77 if it never took place?[/quotec64d2eb645]

that is one of the strange things. i read everything on that 'loose change' site that people tend to hate.... i am not convinced that 9/11 was a total governmental creation, but it did raise some very eerie questions and it did make me think. my main confusion is bunch of oddities about the plane in PA/reports about a plane in cleveland.... very strange.

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Again, I never believed the conspiracy theories about the pentagon but how the hell is that a 757 nose?

Also, about Flight 93, Rumsfeld in a press conference said it was shot down.

Anyway, I don't do torrents (I'm too good for them) so if someone could upload it to YouTube/YouSendIt/RapidShare I'd appreciate it. D

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Again, I never believed the conspiracy theories about the pentagon but how the hell is that a 757 nose?[/quote27aae6f1b5]

? ?

It's fucking tiny and flying flat against the ground.

When I first heard about the attacks on 9/11, I was watching BBC and they were reporting live about the Pentagon and the first reports they said about it was that it was a truck bomb. I haven't anything about that since.

It's not too difficult to differentiate between a 757 and a truck.

[quote6abe03876f="theysayjump"]Anyway, I don't do torrents (I'm too good for them) so if someone could upload it to YouTube/YouSendIt/RapidShare I'd appreciate it. D[/quote6abe03876f]

http//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4987716.stm

Yeah I just found this also

http//hotair.com/archives/top-picks/2006/05/16/breaking-video-of-plane-hitting-pentagon-on-911-to-be-released-at-1-pm/

Click the image to download/open the video.

http//www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=D127D77C527F4073

http//www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html

Updated with WMV links.

And so anyway. in the next frame you will not see the plane, just the beginning of the explosion. The nose looks like a fighter jet. Remember that the 757's nose, even from the profile, is rounded,

Here is another view from Video 2 from the link above.

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Looks pretty small for a 757.

You gotta remember that this is a fisheyed lens and the perspective is fuxored...

For a minute I thought it was the perspective (a large building can make 757 look small), but looking over and over it just does not look like a 757 at all. Too sharp.

So it looks like a 757 to you wolfeman?

Not sure, never seen a 757 slam into a building...

You don't have to see it slam the building, it's nose is supposedly in the video and the screenshots above.

You obviously think it was a conspiracy?

If you read my posts you'd see that I don't. I am just saying that it doesn't look like a 757.

i dont understand how it took so long for this to be released, and i dont think it was a conspiracy either and ppl still call me terrorist n crap n it pisses me off when i try to explain that there is actually a difference between an afghan and a syrian/leb. Cuz there is. A big one.

It's a missile, period.

here is a better picture of the plan

http//web.telia.com/~u90121659/bilder/American_757_just_about_to_land.jpg


this what happened

http//news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/images/sozen.pentagon.jpeg


this what left

http//www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/13.jpg

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[quoteb508fbde68="syriandoode"]it pisses me off when i try to explain that there is actually a difference between an afghan and a syrian/leb. Cuz there is. A big one.[/quoteb508fbde68]

Would it be that when asked to find your respective countries on a map, you both point to different places? shrug

[quote64a8cd30d4="syriandoode"]i dont understand how it took so long for this to be released, and i dont think it was a conspiracy either and ppl still call me terrorist n crap n it pisses me off when i try to explain that there is actually a difference between an afghan and a syrian/leb. Cuz there is. A big one.[/quote64a8cd30d4]

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Anyway, I agree that if anything this leans more toward the conspiracy theory than the government's story. Why the fuck would they snatch up those tapes and keep them hidden for over 4 years if that's all it was? And that looks absolutely nothing like a 757. Fish eye? Yeah, it's on the outer edge of the shot meaning if there was any distortion it would be blimped out, yet the problem is that it looks way too slim to be a 757.

Why did the FBI collected the videos from surrouding areas of pentagon and never release them in public?. Hmmm, fishy. Its amazing how a boeing 757 looks like a pencil from the video.


I'm done with this.

if anything it looks like a missle or a jet, possibly even a fast vehicle but definitely not a passenger plane, and the explosion was way too controlled also if that was a plan it was awfully level to the ground and u dont even see any wings my thought...THAT AINT NO EFFING 757!

See? This is what I'm talking about. People insist on believing what isn't there, and ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

Check out this CNN article

http//www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

Click on the video link in the 4th paragraph (the one that says "Watch what the cameras caught...")

Jamie Macintyre, a pretty high profile CNN journalist assigned to the Pentagon, was on-site. He interviewed an eye-witness who saw the plane clearly flying at ground level right into the Pentagon.

Jamie goes on to show how the conspiracy theorists took a comment he made out of context to make it seem as if he was saying there was no evidence of a plane crash.

Finally, Jamie shows two photographs [bc1add7fbac]that he took himself, personally[/bc1add7fbac] showing two plainly obvious pieces of American Airlines wreckage.

From a technical standpoint, you folks have to realize that this plane was travelling in the neighborhood of 400-600mph. Those surveillance cameras are very low framerate cameras. It's not only probable, but virtually certain, that the camera could not catch and clearly show anything moving at that speed.

One reasonable explanation for why evidence like this is supressed for so long is not only for investigation purposes, but out of sensitivity to the victims' families. It's one thing to see the aftermath of your loved one's demise, it's another thing to witness the impact over and over being broadcast on national television. Perhaps the Justice Department felt enough time had passed and enough cockeyed theories were around that it made sense to release it now. Also, the victims' families themselves that wanted to know have often been privy to evidence that was not released publicly, meaning that many of them had probably already seen this.

[quote32bbf26835="dmorris68"]Finally, Jamie shows two photographs [b32bbf26835]that he took himself, personally[/b32bbf26835] showing two plainly obvious pieces of American Airlines wreckage.
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Where are these photos?

Still don't see a plane though.

Also, what purpose did those newly released frames serve in the trial of Moussaoui? They're hardly deal-breakers.

If they don't release these kinds of things out of respect to families who lost people on that day, then why isn't the same respect made for showing them on TV? What would've been so different about the families seeing those frames 4 years ago, compared to now? shrug

Like I said before, I'm into conspiracy theories, but that's not say I'm led by them. If this footage showed without doubt that a plane hit the Pentagon I would believe it. But it doesn't, regardless of how fast it was travelling, there was a camera on top of a nearby hotel, but minutes after the impact, the FBI were there and had confiscated it and now deny its existence.

To me, if that was a plane, I'd like to know how it came to be exactly level with the ground, after just flying at least 400mph over a motorway.

[quote82c142949b="dmorris68"]See? This is what I'm talking about. People insist on believing what isn't there, and ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

Check out this CNN article

http//www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

Click on the video link in the 4th paragraph (the one that says "Watch what the cameras caught...")

Jamie Macintyre, a pretty high profile CNN journalist assigned to the Pentagon, was on-site. He interviewed an eye-witness who saw the plane clearly flying at ground level right into the Pentagon.

Jamie goes on to show how the conspiracy theorists took a comment he made out of context to make it seem as if he was saying there was no evidence of a plane crash.

Finally, Jamie shows two photographs [b82c142949b]that he took himself, personally[/b82c142949b] showing two plainly obvious pieces of American Airlines wreckage.

From a technical standpoint, you folks have to realize that this plane was travelling in the neighborhood of 400-600mph. Those surveillance cameras are very low framerate cameras. It's not only probable, but virtually certain, that the camera could not catch and clearly show anything moving at that speed.[/quote82c142949b]

No offense, but you're being as stubborn and close-minded as anyone else. I do not believe the conspiracy theorists are purely stating facts. But I certainly don't believe everything my government tells me either, [b82c142949b]especially[/b82c142949b] this shady administration.


[quote82c142949b="dmorris68"]One reasonable explanation for why evidence like this is supressed for so long is not only for investigation purposes, but out of sensitivity to the victims' families. It's one thing to see the aftermath of your loved one's demise, it's another thing to witness the impact over and over being broadcast on national television. Perhaps the Justice Department felt enough time had passed and enough cockeyed theories were around that it made sense to release it now. Also, the victims' families themselves that wanted to know have often been privy to evidence that was not released publicly, meaning that many of them had probably already seen this.[/quote82c142949b]

You serious? How many times THAT DAY did we see footage of the planes hitting the WTCs? SEVERAL shots from every angle were shown repeatedly for weeks on end. The government's trying to be sensitive to the families.... riiiight.

Look I feel for the families of all the victims that day as much as the next bystander, and that's exactly why I want to know the truth. They deserve to know the complete truth about what happened that day and if that so happens to be exactly what the government has told us, then so be it. That doesn't mean questions shouldn't be asked.

Well, the videos owned by the government (Pentagon) can be kept under wraps but they can't do that with footage owned by the various news orgs (all that WTC footage).

[quote3a89f21312="hehehhehe"]Well, the videos owned by the government (Pentagon) can be kept under wraps but they can't do that with footage owned by the various news orgs (all that WTC footage).[/quote3a89f21312]

If they wanted to they could have and would have prevented a lot of that footage from being run like it was.

[quote7f3284fd12="ajrock2000"][quote7f3284fd12="dmorris68"]Finally, Jamie shows two photographs [b7f3284fd12]that he took himself, personally[/b7f3284fd12] showing two plainly obvious pieces of American Airlines wreckage.
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Where are these photos?[/quote7f3284fd12]
In the CNN video I mentioned. It's linked in the article.

Those 2 pictures? Just because there is a 2x2 piece of red and blue metal, that means that it was a plane? And that "piece of the cockpit" was so small it could have been anything. Its ridiculous that the gov can only come up with this lame little blur of evidence. Why did the hotel and freeway vids dissapear? The pentagon claims this crappy evidence is "all they have". riiight.. Oh my bad, they are withholding it because it is too traumatic for the families. roll

[quote44a13ab013="kevxross"]No offense, but you're being as stubborn and close-minded as anyone else. I do not believe the conspiracy theorists are purely stating facts. But I certainly don't believe everything my government tells me either, [b44a13ab013]especially[/b44a13ab013] this shady administration.[/quote44a13ab013]
No offense taken. But I argue that I'm not being close minded at all -- just the contrary. I'm very open-minded, it just has to make sense to me. I'm working solely off what I consider pure logic and common-sense, and the theories offered fly in the face of not only my senses, but contradict all the evidence to the contrary. Why are you ignoring eyewitnesses, photographs, obvious distortions of the truth by the theorists as evidenced by Jamie's report being taken out of context, and the photos of wreckage that he took? Plus all the tremendous loose ends that would have gotten out by now. Our government is utterly incapable of covering up such simple things as Oval Office liasons involving interns and cigars, or controversial intelligence gathering methods, and myriad other mundane scandals. How the heck do you think they pull of something THIS big and not be caught by now? Like I said, makes no sense to me. It just does not compute.

I most certainly don't believe everything the government is telling me. At the same time, unless I have reason to doubt, I don't automatically [i44a13ab013]disbelieve[/i44a13ab013] it either. I'm not "listening" to the government on this issue. I'm listening to my own rationality based on the evidence in front of me.

[quote44a13ab013]You serious? How many times THAT DAY did we see footage of the planes hitting the WTCs? SEVERAL shots from every angle were shown repeatedly for weeks on end. The government's trying to be sensitive to the families.... riiiight.[/quote44a13ab013]
Good point. But as was said, the government didn't have control over those videos. I can almost guarantee you that if they could have seized them, they would have -- but then we'd be arguing whether planes actually flew into the WTC too. ;)

[quote44a13ab013]Look I feel for the families of all the victims that day as much as the next bystander, and that's exactly why I want to know the truth. They deserve to know the complete truth about what happened that day and if that so happens to be exactly what the government has told us, then so be it. That doesn't mean questions shouldn't be asked.[/quote44a13ab013]
Absolutely, questions should be asked. But it's a double-edged sword. Let's not subject the families to far-fetched and baseless conspiracy theories that flat out make no sense as they've been presented. That to me just disrespects the memories of the victims and their families even more.

[quote55d917ef22="ajrock2000"]Those 2 pictures? Just because there is a 2x2 piece of red and blue metal, that means that it was a plane? And that "piece of the cockpit" was so small it could have been anything. Its ridiculous that the gov can only come up with this lame little blur of evidence. Why did the hotel and freeway vids dissapear? The pentagon claims this crappy evidence is "all they have". riiight.. Oh my bad, they are withholding it because it is too traumatic for the families. roll[/quote55d917ef22]
Oi vey.

The photos are not "the government's." They were taken by that reporter. The blue and red metal quite obviously matches that of an American Airlines fuselage, and it plus the cockpit window can't be explained by other material that would normally be found on the lawn of the Pentagon. These photos were taken by a CNN reporter on the scene, who was at the Pentagon when it happened! And what of the eyewitnesses?

Oh yeah, I guess they're paid off or secret NSA employees posing as civilians.

Face facts - the government was behind it. Go watch Loose Change. Haha.