PS3 Price announced

http//gear.ign.com/articles/700/700258p1.html

WHAT THE FUCK? $600+?

[quote4eed069007="johnjimjones"]WHAT THE FUCK? $600+?[/quote4eed069007]
My exact thoughts...

I'm not paying over $700 for a game console evil ....that's upsurd....







Ok, maybe for Final Fantasy wink

Uh oh...wait til the free sites hear about this.

well like they said they usually get screwed on prices in Europe so it will probably be like 500-600 here

yeah, the europe/US price difference was the first thing i thought of. but really, $1000+ for a blu ray player, or $500-600 for a ps3/blue ray player combo?

Hmm this is going to kill smaller sites that already owe peaple PS3's that where olny 8 refs.

Everyone already knew this. Thus the reason why I have been saying PS3 sux ass and blu-ray even more so.

Seriously Sony is fucking up if they make it that expensive.

Is anyone planning on getting Blu-Ray or HDDVD? $1000+ for the player and $30/movie? I don't like paying $20 for a DVD and upscaled to 1080i DVDs look fine to me shrug

and the XBOX 360 will most likely get to work and finalize the external HD-DVD player for their system and take a loss on it. HD-DVD may still have a chance of winning the next-gen media war for this very reason.

The only way they will be able to sell this thing is to market it as a home multimedia system rather than just a game console with some multimedia features. No one will pay that much if they think it is just a game console. But people would pay that much for a PC that does similar things. I think it will be all in the marketing...

[quote31886c320d="PsychoAU"]The only way they will be able to sell this thing is to market it as a home multimedia system rather than just a game console with some multimedia features. No one will pay that much if they think it is just a game console. But people would pay that much for a PC that does similar things. I think it will be all in the marketing...[/quote31886c320d]
Even still do you see HS kids and younger even getting a $700 item for a Christmas gift? Its just too damn much. Sony is really fucking up IMO...

That's what I'm saying. They have to not market it to kids and teens and aim for the people with money. They have to go after the tech nerds and the like. People will spend crazy amounts of money on electronics. How many teens get computers as gifts? Quite alot. If they marketed this as a type of home multimedia system that does a million things, it will be worthy of the price. But as it is, it is just a kid's toy in the eyes of the people with the money (i.e. parents). So it will never get off the ground.

I would rather spend my money on a new video card for my PC and do all the same things this thing can do. Top of the line card for about half the price of the PS3

[quote778bf4fe4e="PsychoAU"]That's what I'm saying. They have to not market it to kids and teens and aim for the people with money. They have to go after the tech nerds and the like. People will spend crazy amounts of money on electronics. How many teens get computers as gifts? Quite alot. If they marketed this as a type of home multimedia system that does a million things, it will be worthy of the price. But as it is, it is just a kid's toy in the eyes of the people with the money (i.e. parents). So it will never get off the ground.

I would rather spend my money on a new video card for my PC and do all the same things this thing can do. Top of the line card for about half the price of the PS3[/quote778bf4fe4e]

great point.... this is where the tag "playstation" works against sony.. my parents would never understand me getting one besides the gaming aspect of it...

Move over Sony. Move over Nintendo (not like they got anything to worry; they're doomed anyhow). Microsoft is going to take the video game console market.

If only Nintendo would collapse and give Sega a reason to take a chance at the hardware scene (at least they have a more dedicated fan base) shrug

im sure they will sell at 500

Regardless it still gives XBOX 360 an upper advantage by selling for $100 less and will be readily available when PS3 has its "severe shortages"

[quotefce170dc0e="h3x"]Regardless it still gives XBOX 360 an upper advantage by selling for $100 less and will be readily available when PS3 has its "severe shortages"[/quotefce170dc0e]
At $700 there will be less shortages...

Games make the console, and in the long run, I think PS3 will still be the winner (that's what the analysts still say too despite the launch delay). Look at all the good games still coming out for the PS2 (thanks to the japanese publishers), while there still aren't that many great games for the 360 (think worldwide appeal, not just the US). It'll be similar for the PS3.

In any case, that was hardly an "announcement" and Sony has been telling the press that there was a translation error. They'll probably price it similarly to the 360. Even if the components are expensive, it should get cheaper for them if they expect to sell many of the units.

[quote65aad409d1="Wolfeman"]
Even still do you see HS kids and younger even getting a $700 item for a Christmas gift? Its just too damn much. Sony is really fucking up IMO...[/quote65aad409d1]

I agree with this. My parents would of laughed in my face if I asked for a $700 Christmas gift. That's way too expensive for the average family.

i must say, i make $500 a month due to a part time job and college. if it werent for freepay, i would never be getting one. then again, i am cheap, and the prospect of a $100 cell phone is making me cry.

[quoteeeb269468f="phoebe7"][quoteeeb269468f="Wolfeman"]
Even still do you see HS kids and younger even getting a $700 item for a Christmas gift? Its just too damn much. Sony is really fucking up IMO...[/quoteeeb269468f]

I agree with this. My parents would of laughed in my face if I asked for a $700 Christmas gift. That's way too expensive for the average family.[/quoteeeb269468f]
Spending $400 on the 360 was hard for me and I'm all about the tech gadgets. The 360 has a lot of those "home entertainment" features but come on, its a game console. $700 could give MS the edge in the war. Also, if the PS3 isn't selling well the game developers will jump ship...

The sad truth is that no one except for console kiddies even care about this stuff anymore. All this talk about a console war is just retarded. All that money just to be able to play another Final Fantasy sequel is rediculous. Or for that matter, $500 just to play another Halo is just as stupid.

Spend the money on a decent PC and then just download the games for free on torrents or something. Plus, consoles can't get porn... unless you get off on DOA volleyball or something... and that would be sad.

just wait till revolution comes with a price tag between $100-$200, a new innovative controller, now how do you like its chances? A good $400-$500 less than the PS3, and half the price of a 360.

No fucking way its $100-200...

http//www.gamespot.com/features/6146540/p-4.html

NES - $199
SNES - $199
N64 - $199
Gamecube - $199

no reason to suspect it will cost more, and as far behind as the big N is they might take a gamble and just price fuck the whole market by selling it for $100-$150 off the bat.

lord knows they aren't as pricey to make as the 360's or the PS3's.

plus they will make tons of money selling the downloadable content, so they can afford it

Yep <3 nintendo <3.

It won't be super graphically pleasing though ).

[quotef45102dd70="justinag06"]http//www.gamespot.com/features/6146540/p-4.html

NES - $199
SNES - $199
N64 - $199
Gamecube - $199

no reason to suspect it will cost more, and as far behind as the big N is they might take a gamble and just price fuck the whole market by selling it for $100-$150 off the bat.

lord knows they aren't as pricey to make as the 360's or the PS3's.

plus they will make tons of money selling the downloadable content, so they can afford it[/quotef45102dd70]
I guess but the Gamecube always undercut the PS2 and XBOX and got killed. I have 0 desire to get a Revolution...

Yeah but that undercut was $200 compared to $300 and then it became less and less as time went on.

thats not such a big deal, but when you compare $200 to $400 and $600 it's a big fucking difference, and I think most of the general public will take a quick notice of it.

Its a big gamble because at $200 they are going to be getting killed on the costs. MS loses like $75 per unit selling at $400...

I don't know about all of that, but again nintendo isn't like sony or microsoft

they make all their money on games, if you own a nintendo chances are that 85% of the games you play on it are made in house. The best games are always their 1st party titles, and those are usually the most popular.

Plus consider the downloadable content of any nintendo game ever made they are selling for whatever price, doesnt matter they are making free money from it, and all the little controller add-ons they are going to sell.

Theres a lot more money to be made there by selling everyone a system cheaply

[quotec00719df82="Wolfeman"]Its a big gamble because at $200 they are going to be getting killed on the costs. MS loses like $75 per unit selling at $400...[/quotec00719df82]
Yeah but they're not putting in crazy hardware like the 360 and the PS3. The costs must be significantly lower.

I think the revolution has a good chance. Not everybody has an HDTV to make good use of anything over 480p or has $400-$600 to plunk down on a console. If the games are easy to play with their new controller, it makes them much more accesible as well.

Yeah but not have HDTV stuff could hurt them. We will see what happens but I don't see Nintendo getting back into 2nd place in the console wars...

i couldnt care less what console has HD capabilities. i have a 27" flat screened toshiba television, complete with a VCR and DVD player built in--all i could possibly need. sure, plasmas are nice, but the picture on my run of the mill television is AMAZING compared to the huge, absolutely massive (not exactly by screen size) HDTV that my boyfriends dad bought a few years ago. that picture is horrible. i am extremely satisfied with my TV and its picture quality... it may not be HD, but i dont care. i dont like that one of the biggest selling points of these new consoles is the HDTV capabilities. there are so many people that dont have them, and many of those who do have them have no interest in games. you have kids and college students, verses the people with careers who can afford huge high end televisions.

I'm more interested in how this will be treated by Freepay and co than anything else...

You guys are assuming that only young people play serious games. Not true at all. I read somewhere recently that the market that video gamer makers are targetting are the 25-45yo professionals with higher incomes. Why? Because they can afford the high-end systems, video cards, and HD displays to play the latest cutting edge games. Most of you teeny-boppers, unless you have wealthy parents, are out of that loop. )

BTW, I'm a member of a mature gaming group (some would call it a clan, but we don't care for the connotation of the word). Our minimum age is 21, and we have many members up around 60 years old. Median age is probably mid-30's. We have about 400 active members from around the world. We run our own public and private servers and play a wide variety of games (the group was founded around CS 6 years ago).

I'm waiting for a PS3, and while I consider $600 steep (and unlikely for the US), I'd probably pay it anyway (assuming I don't get mine as a freebie). It's more than just a game system, and anybody who knows anything about them and would even consider spending the money will know this.

And bring on HD!!!! I'm telling you, if you haven't seen the glory of a good HD image, whether video or game, then you have no idea of what the difference is. Yes, some SD and all poor quality video sources look like crap on a HDTV. But that is definitely where the market is headed. By 2009, federal law requires all networks to broadcast in HD, and there is talk of government subsidation of HD converter boxes for those who still have SD TV sets. HD sets are dropping in price drastically and sales have been through the roof. It's very much like the transition from B&W TV's to color TV's (I know most of you weren't around for that). Eventually everybody went color and then wouldn't dream of going back. HDTV has exactly the same effect.

ill get the revolution to go with my 360.. playstation and xbox release mostly the same games anyhow.. im not going to pay for more than one online service, so ill stick with xbox live..

for the price and new advances with the revolution, ill take that.. not to mention nintendo has rights to many games only for nintendo consoles.

I don't need Pokemon so I don't think I'll get the Revolution. I do need Halo and GTA so if the PS3 isn't $700, I'll buy one...

i don't care

i'm still buying it

Thats fine, I don't hate any of the systems. I perfer XBOX to PS but I have both (360 now too). I'd rather you guys be Nintendo fanboys than PS fanboys. Those guys are nuts...

[quote83988a1b2c="Wolfeman"]Thats fine, I don't hate any of the systems. I perfer XBOX to PS but I have both (360 now too). I'd rather you guys be Nintendo fanboys than PS fanboys. Those guys are nuts...[/quote83988a1b2c]
Really? I think fanboys about anything is fucking annoying as hell. I browse xbox-scene and the forum sometimes, there are a lot of pathetic xbox fanboys there, always trumpeting how MS is the shit (lol) and all that. They're so pissed that the 360 is not selling in Japan. It's like there's no such thing as objectivity anymore...

As for the revolution, I would be tempted to buy it if there are a lot of sports games where you swing that controller around to play tennis or golf or baseball.

I don't think I'll be buying the PS3, but maybe I'll do a freebie site for it. Blueray and HD-DVD are nice, but I don't really need any HD video equipment since I'm set with a decent collection of HD movies already on DVDs.

BluRay and HDDVD bug me. They movies are going to cost $30 and the players are all $1000+. I don't want to have to replace all my DVDs, I just replaced all my VHS tapes (

older people are definately not a massive section of the gaming market. yes, there will be people of ANY age that participate in just about every activity, but i doubt the 30-40+ crowd is counted on to consume the MOST video games. dont get me wrong, though, the only group i dont think should be playing games is the under 5-ish crowd. little kids should just be physically active, anyways.

and at 20, i certainly hope mommy and daddy are through buying me toys. the $250 for an ipod was a last gift, probably to thank me for leaving their house. personally, i do not have a huge desire to have all these game systems. i think theyre nice, and since i can get them for free i will enjoy it, but there is so much else i could do with $500 than buy some video games (i am getting $450 from trainn soon, and i am getting a vacuum cleaner with most of it. i am lame). and on the HDTV front, my boyfriend and i like to stand in best buy and watch the few high quality televisions that they have, and one day we will end up with one. i would never want to pay $3,000 for a television, but yes, prices will drop. until then, i can come home from looking at those TVs and be perfectly happy.

[quote76c3c2312a="Wolfeman"]BluRay and HDDVD bug me. They movies are going to cost $30 and the players are all $1000+. I don't want to have to replace all my DVDs, I just replaced all my VHS tapes ([/quote76c3c2312a]

Yeah, I think regular DVDs still look great to me even on an HDTV (and I don't even have an upconverting player).

They piss me off even more because of their greed and not settling on one format.

[quote95a7fe04ff="hehehhehe"][quote95a7fe04ff="Wolfeman"]BluRay and HDDVD bug me. They movies are going to cost $30 and the players are all $1000+. I don't want to have to replace all my DVDs, I just replaced all my VHS tapes ([/quote95a7fe04ff]

Yeah, I think regular DVDs still look great to me even on an HDTV (and I don't even have an upconverting player).

They piss me off even more because of their greed and not settling on one format.[/quote95a7fe04ff]
Yeah, it hurts the consumer because people that jump on the wrong bandwagon get screwed. Upconverted DVDs look great to me and until I see a BluRay or HDDVD blow me away, I won't buy into it.

Also, I'm older and a gamer but $700 is a fucking lot to pay to play GTA shrug

No point investing in Nintendo. Can anybody say GameCube? When their unit doesn't sell, they give up and produce shitty games.

Yeah but no matter what Nintendo's not going anywhere, they don't make as many sales as MS and Sony but they also don't sell their systems at a loss, and they make a killing off their franchises

They also kill their good old school nintendo games by creating shitty 3D games such as Pokemon 3D game and Zelda in cell-shade 3D game. WFT?

[quote7bcb1f57a1="i blame history"]older people are definately not a massive section of the gaming market. yes, there will be people of ANY age that participate in just about every activity, but i doubt the 30-40+ crowd is counted on to consume the MOST video games. [/quote7bcb1f57a1]
Ahh, but see... that's where you'd be wrong. It's a common myth. I was as surprised as anybody, I figured us older gamers were in the minority. Not the case at all.

Check this link from the Entertainment Software Association

http//www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php

[quote7bcb1f57a1]TOP 10 INDUSTRY FACTS

1. U.S. computer and video game software sales grew four percent in 2005 to $7 billion -- a more than doubling of industry software sales since 1996.

2. Seventy-five percent of American heads of households play computer and video games.

3. In 2005, more than 228 million computer and video games were sold, almost two games for every household in America.

[b7bcb1f57a1]4. The average game player is 30 years old and has been playing games for 9.5 years.[/b7bcb1f57a1]

[b7bcb1f57a1]5. The average game buyer is 37 years old. In 2005, 95 percent of computer game buyers and 84 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.[/b7bcb1f57a1]

6. Eighty-five percent of all games sold in 2005 were rated "E" for Everyone, "T" for Teen, or "E10+" for Everyone 10+. For more information on ratings, please see www.esrb.org.

7. Eighty-seven percent of game players under the age of 18 report that they get their parents’ permission when renting or buying games, and 92 percent say their parents are present when they buy games.

8. Forty-three percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a greater portion of the game-playing population (28 percent) than boys from ages 6 to 17 (21 percent).

[b7bcb1f57a1]9. In 2004, 19 percent of Americans over the age of 50 played video games, an increase from nine percent in 1999.[/b7bcb1f57a1]

10. Forty-two percent of game players say they play games online one or more hours per week. In addition, 34 percent of heads of households play games on a wireless device, such as a cell phone or PDA, up from 20 percent in 2002.[/quote7bcb1f57a1]

;)

[quote1ffc0d5130="hehehhehe"]Blueray and HD-DVD are nice, but I don't really need any HD video equipment since I'm set with a decent collection of HD movies already on DVDs.[/quote1ffc0d5130]
Ummm, unless you're part of some super secret beta testing pilot program from another planet, you don't have any HD DVD's. DVD's are nowhere near HD, in fact DVD specs pale in comparison to HD specs. Hence the need for an HD DVD spec, either BluRay or HD-DVD.

Technically, BluRay is superior, but then again Betamax was superior to VHS and OS/2 was superior to Windows. The technically best product doesn't always win, and HD-DVD looks to have a good jump on BluRay. Marketing and market penetration is what won it for VHS and Windows, the same will most likely hold true for HD DVD specs.

That said, I'd still rather have a PS3 than 360. But if I can score 'em both free, I'll be more than happy to take 'em. )

[quoteba2a6977a0="dmorris68"]Ummm, unless you're part of some super secret beta testing pilot program from another planet, you don't have any HD DVD's. DVD's are nowhere near HD, in fact DVD specs pale in comparison to HD specs. Hence the need for an HD DVD spec, either BluRay or HD-DVD.

Technically, BluRay is superior, but then again Betamax was superior to VHS and OS/2 was superior to Windows. The technically best product doesn't always win, and HD-DVD looks to have a good jump on BluRay. Marketing and market penetration is what won it for VHS and Windows, the same will most likely hold true for HD DVD specs.

That said, I'd still rather have a PS3 than 360. But if I can score 'em both free, I'll be more than happy to take 'em. )[/quoteba2a6977a0]
It's not a secret society roll . I have 1080i and 720p Transport Stream files burnt to DVDs (so like I said, HD movies on DVDs, not HD-DVDs). You don't play them back with a DVD player, you use a PC (HTPC) hooked up to an HDTV. You can google about it to find out more. Thanks for the sarcasm.

I posted that exact esa link for someone here a while back when some moron was saying the average gamer was 15-19 or some idiotic thing like that.

[quote2ea06084ba="hehehhehe"]It's not a secret society roll . I have 1080i and 720p Transport Stream files burnt to DVDs (so like I said, HD movies on DVDs, not HD-DVDs). You don't play them back with a DVD player, you use a PC (HTPC) hooked up to an HDTV. You can google about it to find out more. Thanks for the sarcasm.[/quote2ea06084ba]
Ah, then that's different. My mistake -- I took you literally to mean "HD DVD's" is all. I didn't see that you're just talking streaming video stored to disc. And I'm quite familiar with HTPC's, I've been building and running mythTV boxes for a few years now. ;)

No sarcasm intended, just ribbing you.

And yes, some people are really in the dark about the realities of the gaming market. Even I was, and I'm a long-time gamer. I figured myself and my fellow gamers in my age group were a small minority, but no. And when you think about it, it's an expensive hobby that most teenagers can't afford, so it makes perfect sense.

No problem ;).

and i thought 400 was a lot for a 360! ha! touche!

Is getting an upscaling DVD player worth it?

[quotec213e4a754="Wolfeman"]Is getting an upscaling DVD player worth it?[/quotec213e4a754]
YES! If you have an HDTV, it makes a big difference. However, not all are created equal, and some more expensive models do a worse job than some cheaper models.

Check out AVSForums, but when I was in the market for mine a couple months ago, the darling was the Oppo Digital player so that's what I bought.

http//www.oppodigital.com

It's relatively cheap ($200) and comes with the highly-regarded Faroudja scaling chip, and it also plays DivX & Xvid! It only upscales over the DVI port so you have to have a DVI or HDMI connector on your TV. It comes with both DVI and HDMI cables. It won't even do 720p over component, so don't bother with it unless you have a digital connector (which most recent models have one or the other).

Oppo also releases regular firmware updates to improve performance and add features. Since I bought mine in January, there have been two firmware updates that you can download from the Support section of their site.

[quoteb5aadcfdee="EatChex89"]i don't care

i'm still buying it[/quoteb5aadcfdee]

Exactly. I have a 42 inch plasma thats just begging to be hooked up to a ps3. Price is of no concern to me.

Besides here's how to get a free ps3 (without doing offers ;) )
Step 1 Reserve 2 ps3's
Step2 When you get the 2 Ps3's on launch day, sell 1 on ebay for $2000
step3 Enjoy your now free ps3 and use the extra cash fro games D

[quote252f88ce81="JUNIOR6886"][quote252f88ce81="EatChex89"]i don't care

i'm still buying it[/quote252f88ce81]

Exactly. I have a 42 inch plasma thats just begging to be hooked up to a ps3. Price is of no concern to me.

Besides here's how to get a free ps3 (without doing offers ;) )
Step 1 Reserve 2 ps3's
Step2 When you get the 2 Ps3's on launch day, sell 1 on ebay for $2000
step3 Enjoy your now free ps3 and use the extra cash fro games D[/quote252f88ce81]

what is a good place to reserve a system with a good chance of getting one?

As much as i hate them... id have to say circuit city. The people who reserved their xbox360's there were given a yellow ticket and on launch day all they had to do was flash the ticket and they got their 360.
Make sure you get someone else to reserve the second PS3
(i dont think you can reserve more than 1 console anywhere)

You guys shouldn't put too much faith into that article, if you read around you'll see that that sony rep only said that paying that much for a ps3 wouldn't be unreasonable. He never said that's how much it would cost.

[quotec7de088de9="dmorris68"][quotec7de088de9="Wolfeman"]Is getting an upscaling DVD player worth it?[/quotec7de088de9]
YES! If you have an HDTV, it makes a big difference. However, not all are created equal, and some more expensive models do a worse job than some cheaper models.

Check out AVSForums, but when I was in the market for mine a couple months ago, the darling was the Oppo Digital player so that's what I bought.

http//www.oppodigital.com

It's relatively cheap ($200) and comes with the highly-regarded Faroudja scaling chip, and it also plays DivX & Xvid! It only upscales over the DVI port so you have to have a DVI or HDMI connector on your TV. It comes with both DVI and HDMI cables. It won't even do 720p over component, so don't bother with it unless you have a digital connector (which most recent models have one or the other).

Oppo also releases regular firmware updates to improve performance and add features. Since I bought mine in January, there have been two firmware updates that you can download from the Support section of their site.[/quotec7de088de9]
Good info. Thanks a lot )

[quote026ebaec8b="ragefu"]http//gear.ign.com/articles/700/700258p1.html[/quote026ebaec8b]
just need mine approved by freepay and i am golden )