South Park hates Family Guy

I just found this on WWTDD. Just when I fall back in love with South Park they gotta start shit. What do you guys think?

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I think family guy is funny, but they have a point though right?

[quote25da9983f0="hehehhehe"]I think family guy is funny, but they have a point though right?[/quote25da9983f0]
Its a fine line. They do it in a really funny way but South Park does it a lot too. They have a lot of episodes that are just the plot of a movie, making fun of it. I'd say they are both equally good but both have their flaws...

Jealousy is a horrible thing.

We'll see how bad they rip on them tonight...

[quotebefccdccd7="Wolfeman"]Its a fine line. They do it in a really funny way but South Park does it a lot too. They have a lot of episodes that are just the plot of a movie, making fun of it. I'd say they are both equally good but both have their flaws...[/quotebefccdccd7]
Yeah but you're talking about spoofing, which everybody does unashamedly. Family guy is being accused of ripping off a character idea outright, which is completely different. Although I will admit that pure creativity is hard to find because "everybody is jumping on someone else's train" to a certain extent.

On a creative level, SP beats Family Guy IMO. It's not like we haven't seen dysfunctional family comedies with a dumbass father before.

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Family_Guy#Other_peers_and_critics[]http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Family_Guy#Other_peers_and_critics
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Found these by going through the link you posted. You probably read them.

I watched both shows... but Im more likely to tune into Family Guy...
I haven't watched South Park in 3 years...

South Park has been funny so far this season but I'm more of a Family Guy fan...

I like both shows. Family Guy can be mindlessly hilarious. South Park is 10 x more intelligent (as well as 10 x more retarded... it hits both ends of the spectrum) and creative, and it's also pretty funny at times. I'll enjoy watching them make fun of Family Guy tonight, because I'm not a dumb fan boy that takes shit personally that was said about something they like. It won't hurt my feelings, and I'll still be able to enjoy Family Guy...

I love family guy and south park but family guy does seem to just copy shit for example alot of the time its hard to tell the difference between homer and peter they are basically the same character

Interesting. I was listening to O&A the other day, and they were talking about how the Family Guy writers may have lifted material from them too.

[quotec3c7ad38f0="Tholek"]Interesting. I was slistening to O&A the other day, and they were talking about how the Family Guy writers may have lifted material from them too.[/quotec3c7ad38f0]
All valid points but tonight's episode really wasn't good. Without Family Guy even trying its Family Guy 1 - South Park 0...

[quotedf05d651ec="kevxross"]I like both shows. Family Guy can be mindlessly hilarious. South Park is 10 x more intelligent (as well as 10 x more retarded... it hits both ends of the spectrum) and creative, and it's also pretty funny at times. I'll enjoy watching them make fun of Family Guy tonight, because I'm not a dumb fan boy that takes shit personally that was said about something they like. It won't hurt my feelings, and I'll still be able to enjoy Family Guy...[/quotedf05d651ec]


Cosigned.

Ive said before I don't like stone and Parker using their show as a prop to handle personal battles but in this case at least I don't care.

Show seemed to get much better when it really just revolved around the central concept of free speech and whether it's morally acceptable to publish cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed.

Thats why I like South Park because they know how to tackle an issue and give a well defined opinion. They should stop taking on wars on this show. If they continue at this rate it will turn into nothing more than a rap war. Show gets dissed and has to protect it's own street rep and decides to fire back(create an episode) against the other. Just a cycle of stupidity. I'm sure the Family Guy writers can find something on South Park that isn't exactly perfect.

I think last night's episode was awful. They did a good job of making fun of the Simpsons but this was just said. It was so forced and I really only laughed at the one part when Peter turned into Kit from Knight Rider...

They weren't even making fun of Family Guy that badly so far (it's to be continued...). Sure, they're pointing out the fact that it's not all that creative, but they also put Kyle on the side of Family Guy and their right to free speech, and Cartman on the side against Family Guy. Everyone knows in every episode of South Park, Kyle represents good and Cartman evil.

Also, when the whole town rallies together against something, it's always completely retarded. The voice of reason popped up, saying to look at the real issue and fight for free speech, but the stupid mob shot him down and decided to bury their heads in the sand (literally).

Oh and they're also still on the Chef issue. "Pull one episode for some idiot or group of idiots beliefs, and you open up the door for anyone to bitch and have more episodes pulled." Eventually the show is killed because everyone has a problem with something in every episode and they all get pulled. I also remember there being a big F U to Comedy Central in there, which I got a kick out of.

Aside from a few jabs at Family Guy, I'd actually say they've been more on the side of their right to free speech than anything else. No offense Wolfe, but you're really just being a fan boy. "Family Guy hasn't done anything, but they're winning." It's not even a competition, it's just South Park doing what they do. Making fun of everyone and everything they can.

I've typed far too much about a South Park episode lol But that's what I love about the show, you can get so much out of it if you actually look past the fart jokes.

It wasn't even about Family Guy though. They just used them as an analogy to how Comedy Central and fans view their own show, and used it as a motive for the whole Mohammed cartoon scandal without directly saying "Southpark" is going to cross that line. Thats why I like Southpark so much. They find ways to layer satire and parody, voicing multiple issues at once in a pretty funny and seamless way.

They made Cartman the representation of Southpark, saying he was annoyed that everyone compared the two shows. Im sure Matt and Trey get a little annoyed that everyone compares these two cartoons, as their way of telling stories and jokes are way different. But I love em both, just in different ways.

I thought it was an intelligent and hilarious episode, and anyone who said it sucks shouldn't watch the show anymore, cuz they don't read past the toilet humor and understand what these guys are really trying to say. You shouldn't take the world too seriously, and Free Speech is dying in this country...Censorship be damned!

Part II is on now.

I'm waiting for part 2 to become available on Demonoid.

I don't care what people say. Family guy is a awesome show. South Park is an awesome show.

[quote2361870dd3="halfbreed"]I don't care what people say. Family guy is a awesome show. South Park is an awesome show.[/quote2361870dd3]
I feel the same way. Their is an art to the wacky nonsensical comedy of Family Guy. Its like the movie Wet Hot American Summer, its insane and makes no sense but still an awesome movie. South Park did a great job with the second part of this one after the first part blew. [spoiler2361870dd3]Manatees are awesome[/spoiler2361870dd3]

I really don't understand how people can watch South Park just like they'd watch Family Guy and think it's a good show. I totally agree with you Wolfe, that Family Guy does do a good job at just good ol' fun humor. I can turn my brain off, sit down, and get quite a few good laughs at Family Guy and I appreciate it for that. But if I watched South Park like that, I would hate it... it'd be just lame fart jokes and toilet humor that a 3rd grader would enjoy.

When you watch South Park, you have to realize that it is a very, very intelligent show. It's so funny because a lot of people don't see that, and they'll either HATE the show and not give it a chance because of all the crude humor, or they'll love the show and laugh at all the... crude humor. I assure you, while Matt and Trey enjoy the ratings from these viewers, they are not their target.

This 2 part episode was all about free speech. I know you guys have heard about all the shit going down with the Danish cartoon that was published with a depiction of Muhammad. If it isn't obvious, this was South Park's response to that. Matt and Trey see the very real matter of free speech being compromised because of terrorism.

[quotee0b326acb2="kevxross"]I also remember there being a big F U to Comedy Central in there, which I got a kick out of. [/quotee0b326acb2]
Man, I thought Part I was ballsy of them. Part II was a blatant slap in Comedy Central's face for being pussies and giving into terrorism. Remember the part where Muhammad is supposed to walk in and give Peter a salmon helmet? The censoring of that image really was due to Comedy Central not allowing them to display Muhammad. Now, remember the end of the show? Yeah, the part with JESUS CHRIST shitting all over George Bush and the American flag? I don't recall seeing any censoring of that.

Matt and Trey were making a very clear point about how completely fucked up it is that Comedy Central will allow some seriously offensive shit (no pun intended) about Christianity (as well as many other religions in past episodes) and America, yet they censored a harmless image of Muhammad handing Peter a helmet... And no, I'm not Christian. I was not offended by the actual animation, I was offended by Comedy Central's decision. I want to ask this, and I'd honestly like to hear someone answer [be0b326acb2]How can Comedy Central justify the censoring of Muhammad, yet allow some seriously disrespectful stuff to be shown about other religions?[/be0b326acb2] The way I see it, they have 2 ways to justify it
[liste0b326acb2]1. They didn't show the image of Muhammad out of respect for the Muslims and their religion.
2. They are afraid that showing an image of Muhammad might spark some controversy and anger in the eyes of Muslims, and there is the possibility that some radicals might pose a threat.[/listue0b326acb2]
Well reason one is obviously bullshit. They don't show respect to other religions, like Christianity, by censoring Jesus shitting all over the place. There are tons of other examples of scenes which are disrespectful to numerous religions, which I'm sure I don't need to go into.

That leaves reason 2. Reason 2 can be defined in one word [be0b326acb2]terrorism[/be0b326acb2]. We're giving into terrorism and that pisses me off more than anything.

Just for some more evidence of their message Cartman (which, as I said earlier, always represents evil) points a gun at the Fox exec threatening him to get him to NOT air the Family Guy episode. Kyle (represents good), pleads with him not to pull the episode. Cartman is threatening him with violence, or trying to terrorize him, while Kyle is telling him not to give into the violent threat - don't allow terrorists to win.

Comedy Central let the terrorists win. I hope I'm not the only one that can see this and that is pissed off about it. Are we seriously giving into terrorism to the point that we're going to give up free speech? Our first fucking amendment?

I thought this was a very good episode and I applaud Matt and Trey for speaking out about this. Or at least trying to. Sorry for the long-winded post, but as I was typing the episode just sunk in more and more. Honestly I could probably write a lot more about it, that's just how in depth this show really is. I need to go watch some Family Guy to clear my mind lol

Controvesy over the Mohammad cartoons possibly?

Haven't watch either part (have pt. 1 downloaded, waiting for iTunes to get it ready) but yeah. It's all silly.

They've had Mohammed on an episode before, thats the funny part...

[quote325b619267="Wolfeman"]They've had Mohammed on an episode before, thats the funny part...[/quote325b619267]

Yeah, but have you noticed what's going on in the world lately?

Matt and Trey tested Comedy Central to see if they'd give in to terrorism, and they failed ?

[quoteb937aedaa8="kevxross"][quoteb937aedaa8="Wolfeman"]They've had Mohammed on an episode before, thats the funny part...[/quoteb937aedaa8]

Yeah, but have you noticed what's going on in the world lately?

Matt and Trey tested Comedy Central to see if they'd give in to terrorism, and they failed ?[/quoteb937aedaa8]

CC didn't give into 'terroism'. They saw that certain events have driven some fanatics to do some bad things and decided not to be part of it. If a terrorist group said 'Stop showing South Park, or we will destroy the Golden Gate Bridge' and they stopped showing South Park then that would be giving into terrorism.

Not everything is terrorism, and when people label things as such it takes away from the true cases of it.

[quote6c47f97155="Brutus"]CC didn't give into 'terroism'. They saw that certain events have driven some fanatics to do some bad things and decided not to be part of it.[/quote6c47f97155]
... You just defined terrorism. They are scared of what terrorists might do if they excercise their free speech and show something that they might not like.
[quote6c47f97155="Webster"][b6c47f97155]terrorism[/b6c47f97155] [i6c47f97155]n.[/i6c47f97155]
1. the act of terrorizing; use of force or threats to demoralize, intimidate, and subjugate, esp. such use as a political weapon or policy
2. the demoralization and intimidation produced in this way[/quote6c47f97155]
Comedy Central was intimidated having seen the acts of violence by radical Muslims over the depiction of Muhammed in other scenarios, and thus they were subjugated; they gave in.

It [i6c47f97155]is[/i6c47f97155] terrorism, just on a small level. I know I probably seem like I'm freaking out here shouting "terrorism! terrorism!!" but I'm just trying to make clear the point that Matt and Trey were making. When we start giving up our right to free speech, even on the smallest, most insignificant scale such as a South Park episode due to the violence of terrorists, we're letting them win. We shouldn't have to be afraid to say whatever the @$&% (tee hee) we want because we're scared of how terrorists might react.

I disagree. It's as much of a terrorist act as a riot at a soccer game is. What happened with the Mohammed cartoon was a bunch of people getting upset over something and lashing out. Are the students that are protesting against immigration laws also terrorists?

You need to put the definition in context.