weight loss

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andreliveson

15-03-2006 02:54:23

What did you all do to loose weight, what kinda fat burning supps did you all take to get those abs for the honnies.

what worked best for you

No im not talking about COKE to stay up during ur finals where u lost 10 pds lol

Veek

15-03-2006 08:26:37

Funny you mention this. I'm getting ready to go for my morning run. So yes, I run in the morning, come home and do a basic workout, and cut out all of the junk in my diet.

KeithA

15-03-2006 08:49:35

Diet and regular exercise. High protein, high fiber, low fat, and lots of water.

I'd stay away from supplements. Drink fresh-brewed green tea for the EGCG (a compound with potentially anti-carcinogenic and appetite-suppressing properties) and caffeine, if anything.

unknown uchiha

15-03-2006 08:54:09

Or you can do the Cheat and Eat Diet! Only $2.95 for a trial, which automantically binds you in a contract to pay $106.95 for a shipment which you can not get out of!

Just kidding. I'd say eat healthy, eat less, and exercise more. If you HAVE to play videogames everyday, DDR. And it's fun =P

good2speed

15-03-2006 10:23:33

[quote888e6b650e="andreliveson"]What did you all do to loose weight, what kinda fat burning supps did you all take to get those abs for the honnies.

what worked best for you

No im not talking about COKE to stay up during ur finals where u lost 10 pds lol[/quote888e6b650e]

why are you assuming that we were once fat and now have lost weight to become skinny. How do you know were not still fat or have been real skinny forever?

Well anyways.

Take up a sport or hobby as cardio exercise.

I play basketball for fun and it just so happens to keep me in great shape. Well not olympic shape but good enough to get the hunnies.

Finding an activity that doesn't feel like excercise is key.

Once you've built enough metabloism your body will burn fat/calories much quicker.

My diet is horrible. I still eat all that fast food crap. Women seem to marvel at the fact that I pretty much eat at Mcdonald's everyday and am still able to remain relatively skinny.

Kidd

15-03-2006 12:35:07

im pretty much a weightloss/body building specialist pm me and ill teach u the basics set u on the proper road w/o fat burners and etc and ill set u a whole routine if u want.

and theres no abs unless ur under 8 percent bf not ripped ones at least

Wolfeman

15-03-2006 12:38:31

Crystal Meth...

ajrock2000

15-03-2006 13:15:23

Take Perfect Food by Garden of Life everyday. I am not a fat person, but I still lost weight after starting to take this. It contains organic greens, enzymes, and a lot lot more. A healthy digestive system is the most important thing for overall health.

JordanE

15-03-2006 13:39:11

Funny i'm actually trying to gain weight, I think part of the reason I have trubble gaining weight is becouse I smoke. As far as loosing weight gose I would suggest drinking lots of water and green tea (as mentioned above) Also do alot of running that should help you drop a few pounds.


[b4c8f66d529]Edit[/b4c8f66d529] -Also try drink redline (LINK[=http//www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002AYSII/qid=1142458995/sr=8-3/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-2519466-4576716?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=3760901]LINK) I drink it like an energy drink (probably the most powerfull one i've had yet) but it's also supposed to work well for burning fat.

Kidd

15-03-2006 14:18:58

[quote9cccbcd4d7="JordanE"]Funny i'm actually trying to gain weight, I think part of the reason I have trubble gaining weight is becouse I smoke. As far as loosing weight gose I would suggest drinking lots of water and green tea (as mentioned above) Also do alot of running that should help you drop a few pounds.


[b9cccbcd4d7]Edit[/b9cccbcd4d7] -Also try drink redline (LINK[=http//www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002AYSII/qid=1142458995/sr=8-3/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-2519466-4576716?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=3760901]LINK) I drink it like an energy drink (probably the most powerfull one i've had ye) but it's also supposed to work well for burning fat.[/quote9cccbcd4d7]

vpx redline owns that for shizzle

Veek

15-03-2006 14:45:37

I've always been interested on how to keep the body healthy. However, everyone I talk to pretends they know everything and assume that being ultra-big in muscle mass or being very skinny means healthy. I don't want to be neither. I work out and run to stay slim, not skinny, or built huge.

hairyferry

15-03-2006 16:05:59

I'm just starting to diet also, I'm getting married in August so I wanna look good which means loosing about 30lbs. I was looking into the supps that help hunger craving. I've been outta work for a few weeks because of a bulging disk so exercise is very limited.

Kidd

15-03-2006 16:09:27

some exercise is helpful but hairy u dont have to.

try not to canablize ur muscle while loosing weight keep it at 1-2 pounds but then u can try a fat burner when u hit a plateu remeber carb cycle and keep ur metabolism guessing august is plenty of time u can look very good by then.

SonTenshinhan

15-03-2006 19:58:57

Man guys.. Just eat less and don't be lazy. Complaining about an inability to lose weight is an [b659f1a15b1]INSULT[/b659f1a15b1] to people who are starving! If the diet industry was redirected to fight world hunger then there would be none. Bottom line - if you're fat then you're disrespecting those who fight every day to survive. Not cool.

Veek

15-03-2006 20:02:36

[quote236c9d0951="SonTenshinhan"]Man guys.. Just eat less and don't be lazy. Complaining about an inability to lose way is an [b236c9d0951]INSULT[/b236c9d0951] to people who are starving! If the diet industry was redirected to fight world hunger then there would be none. Bottom line - if you're fat then you're disrespecting those who fight every day to survive. Not cool.[/quote236c9d0951]

An insult to the obese people who don't find it easy to "stop being lazy."

HumanMan

15-03-2006 20:08:44

My uncle was a fairly fat man a year ago. I am talking upwards of 300 pounds. To start losing wait he did nothing more than knock all drinks except water out of his diet. He lost around 50 pounds this way. Then he started to eat mostly low fat chicken. He is now down to a slim 190 pounds. So I suggest removing soda and juice from your life. If you want the orange taste eat and orange DO NOT DRINK ORANGE JUICE. The orange will fill you up and give you the vitamins of orange juice. That is my opinion and it is backed by a pretty significant weight loss!

SonTenshinhan

15-03-2006 20:09:37

That hurt man. I know what it's like to feel the full effects of starvation. It's not that bad from the inside, but certain things are obvious. ie.. lack of energy, asexuality, obsession with food and only food, poor judgement, digestion of organs, failure for stomach to adjust.. What I do is my business though; I can afford to feed myself. Some people can't though. It's those that really are being given the finger by two thirds of American people. If you're fat it's your fault. There are no excuses, just a lack of self control. No one understands this concept more than myself.

btw.. it is a myth that eating a little more or less will cause a change in weight. That is bullshit. It takes a huge diffenerece in caloric imput/output. If the difference is not met then your body will adjust its metabolism to recieve the proper nutrition. Also, having a 'slow metabolism' is not an excuse for being overweight.. You cravings for food will decrease proportionally. It's actually an advantage over people w/ faster ones, you can go longer with out food, so therefore your body doesn't have to be weighed down with the excess weight of the food you just consumed.

Kidd

15-03-2006 20:11:24

[quotec79588648c="Veek"][quotec79588648c="SonTenshinhan"]Man guys.. Just eat less and don't be lazy. Complaining about an inability to lose way is an [bc79588648c]INSULT[/bc79588648c] to people who are starving! If the diet industry was redirected to fight world hunger then there would be none. Bottom line - if you're fat then you're disrespecting those who fight every day to survive. Not cool.[/quotec79588648c]

An insult to the obese people who don't find it easy to "stop being lazy."[/quotec79588648c]

that AND that guy is a complete jerk people have different genetic different endocrine systems somtimes the persons thyroid isnt working properly it isnt easy to lose weight or get ripped.

Be extra kind next time becuase everyone is facing some sort of struggle

Veek

15-03-2006 20:26:36

[quoteae37b2af22="SonTenshinhan"]That hurt man. I know what it's like to feel the full effects of starvation. It's not that bad from the inside, but certain things are obvious. ie.. lack of energy, asexuality, obsession with food and only food, poor judgement, digestion of organs, failure for stomach to adjust.. What I do is my business though; I can afford to feed myself. Some people can't though. It's those that really are being given the finger by two thirds of American people. If you're fat it's your fault. There are no excuses, just a lack of self control. No one understands this concept more than myself.

btw.. it is a myth that eating a little more or less will cause a change in weight. That is bullshit. It takes a huge diffenerece in caloric imput/output. If the difference is not met then your body will adjust its metabolism to recieve the proper nutrition. Also, having a 'slow metabolism' is not an excuse for being overweight.. You cravings for food will decrease proportionally. It's actually an advantage over people w/ faster ones, you can go longer with out food, so therefore your body doesn't have to be weighed down with the excess weight of the food you just consumed.[/quoteae37b2af22]

It baffles me how you can try to convince others and yourself on things that have been proven a fact before. It's a myth that eating less will cause weight change? Having a slow metabolism is not an excuse for being overweight? If someone is fat, it's their own fault?

I was sure fooled.

SonTenshinhan

15-03-2006 20:37:25

Please consult an eating disorder specialist. They will confirm what I have to say.. Otherwise just google it. ^_^ It makes perfect logical sense. A small percent of people actually have their bodies demad a abnormally high weight. You body always sets a specific weight for you, just like height, or any other genetic function. Now obviously, 2/3's of America do not fall into this catergory, but, regardless one's body will fluctuate it's metabolic (and mental) functions to maintain certain weights. This supports the true, proven fact that small 200 - 300 calorie differences in caloric input/output do not result in weight loss or gain. You have to push extreme effects on your body to get a result. However, some people already are pushing the 'extreme', by inactivity and eating ridiculous sums of food. These people's bodies are just dying to loss weight and will do so with minimal effort - as mentioned by some guys earlier post. It would be advisable to believe the words you are reading.. There are very few people that have more hands on experience with this matter than I, that are willing to explain.
I can't stress the matter enough though.. The majority of the facts about weight loss know to the common public are lies or out of context facts. The whole metabolism speel is a perfect example - everything is a balance - there is no slow or fast in the human body. If you have a slow metabolism you will have a decreased desire for food!! Also, you'd be cold all the time.. There is a reason people's bodies consume food at a slower rate when a certain age is reached. It's yet another example of survival of the fittest!

Kidd

15-03-2006 20:39:59

if u lose more than 2 pounds per week ur losing muscle so -500 calories from ur matience level and u will achieve perfect weight loss.

SonTenshinhan

15-03-2006 20:50:55

Measuring 2 lbs is very difficult. I can play DDr for 3 hours and be 10 lbs lighter, but it is unreasonable to have burned 35000 calories. It would be more like 1000. Water is everything.. If you can lose 2 pure lbs of fat a week at a steady rate then that's the way to go. Of course all it takes is a little self control. All the while keep in mind, while you are 'working' to lose your owen weight, someone else is dying the not-so-fun death of starvation. There are certain things you can do to respect these people and others to insult them. Supporting the current diet industry probably would be an insult.

Kidd

15-03-2006 21:11:46

who plays ddr for 3 hours anyways

dude anyone can starve themselves under 1000 cals but gain it all back and lose so much muscle

so that means u lost 10-20 pounds of muscle and u will add 30 pounds of fat making it harder when u wanna lose it next time.

diet right or go home.

jy3

15-03-2006 21:17:02

1. set realistic goals, once u meet it, set another realistic goal
2. up to 1/3 of your caloric intake can be from beverages. cut out any soda with calories, too much milk, fruit juice, kool aide, beer, wine, liquor
3. carry healthy snacks with you if u snack a lot instead of going to the vending machine
4. drink water when hungry for a snack
5. control your portions - when out at dinner do not force yourself to eat that last 3 oz of steak, take it home for another meal
6. exercise, exercise exercise. 20 minutes of heart rate raising activity 4 times a week can be enough to lose weight.
7. get your family involved in eating well. it can be HARD if others around you are eating donuts and you are eating a banana

jy3

15-03-2006 21:17:43

oh one more thing
dont believe the hype about fat burning pills. if they worked so well they would be FDA approved and selling for $100 a pill.

Kidd

15-03-2006 21:20:44

true fat burning pills help u go over ur plateu and not much else and they help u retain less water weight so the difference on the scale is just water

SonTenshinhan

15-03-2006 21:23:15

Kidd.. I have no idea what you think I said.. but I was pretty much agreeing with you. And since when is - 1000 cals starving yourself? That's like a 5 mile run or a meal. There are 3500 cals to a pound of fat, so 1000 isn't anything. I'm sorry you misunderstood me.

Kidd

15-03-2006 21:27:32

[quote37b2cd950e="SonTenshinhan"]Kidd.. I have no idea what you think I said.. but I was pretty much agreeing with you. And since when is - 1000 cals starving yourself? That's like a 5 mile run or a meal. There are 3500 cals to a pound of fat, so 1000 isn't anything. I'm sorry you misunderstood me.[/quote37b2cd950e]

when u eat under 1000 calories that is considered putting ur body into starvation mode after 3 days. ur gonna canablize all of ur muscle instead of increasing ur lmb and having that burn fat on its own

SonTenshinhan

15-03-2006 21:31:04

Nobody every suggested eating less than 1000 calories a day. ^_^;; You need to have large gap between caloric input/output; how much the gap depends on you as a person. That's a short summary of my earlier post.

damac

15-03-2006 22:34:12

if you want to make it simple for yourself, buy the body for life book and follow it.

no gimmick shit, just an easy way to eat, and to let the food and drink thing go.

problem is stress is a big one in people's lives and its easy to binge, but if other things in your life are well, this is just a simple way to live, it isn't a diet or anything crazy.

Kidd

30-03-2006 15:13:22

[quotee53b1b251a="damac"]if you want to make it simple for yourself, buy the body for life book and follow it.

no gimmick shit, just an easy way to eat, and to let the food and drink thing go.

problem is stress is a big one in people's lives and its easy to binge, but if other things in your life are well, this is just a simple way to live, it isn't a diet or anything crazy.[/quotee53b1b251a]

checking back in with this thread anyone have any progress

imo the body for life book is nice when u wanna get fully ripped follow it very very closely and it will work but ud2.0 is awesome too.

phoebe7

30-03-2006 15:20:28

Pilates and low calorie diet. I went from 150 - 135 in a few weeks.

crazyates

30-03-2006 16:02:45

starvation diets are stupid. They don't make you lose any weight, and they're horrible for your body. If fact you can actually lose more weight if you eat more, but just eat healthier.

My aunt came to live w/ us for a couple months. She never ate breakfast, like ever. She always said it was "unnecessary" and she was trying to lose weight. When she moved in w/ us, she started eating breakfast. cuz her metabolism started earlier on in the day, she actually ended up eating MORE food throughout the day, just cuz she was hungry. granded she wasn't eating healthy stuff, but she did lose like 10 lbs. just by eating more!

I myself lost almost 20 lbs. by joining a swim team. I went from 180 down to 160...not including whatever muscle mass i gained in the process. I'm guessing i lot between 20 and 30 lbs of fat. I'm not fat, but i was astounded that i could lose that much!

Another example My grandfather lost close to 25 lbs. cuz the doctors found out that he was a diabetic. They didn't put him on any meds or anything, they just told him to change his diet. He eats almost nothing that has sugar in it, eats low carb foods, and avoids any type of carbonated drink or juice like it's liquid death.

My mom did the south beach diet for a while. She did her own little thing for breakfast and lunch, but She would cook the meals or whatever for the entire fam for dinner. Just from eating the foods in the book, my entire fam of 6 all lost an average of about 4-5 lbs each...just from those stupid dinners that were low in carbs. They still had thier fair share of carbs, but they were the good kind w/ like no starches at all.

so there....that's how to lose weight...case closed. can we get a mod to lock this thread cuz i pretty much just said all there is to say 8)

Kidd

30-03-2006 16:20:13

those south beach diet lunch things are awesome low cal/carb but nice 38 grams of protein or so.

anyways eating more keeps ur metabolism going so good point )

crazyates

30-03-2006 16:37:58

[quote69f1b58448="Kidd"]those south beach diet lunch things are awesome low cal/carb but nice 38 grams of protein or so.

anyways eating more keeps ur metabolism going so good point )[/quote69f1b58448]

it depends. If i eat 6 bags of lays potato for lunch, i'm not gonna lose any weight. Nothing but starch, sugar, and grease(fat)....

it all needs to be balanced

kdollar

30-03-2006 17:01:06

kidd is right, though the 500 caloire deficit is kinda high, for perfect weight loss you need to subtract around 200 - 300 cals daily from ur maintenance lvl.

Kidd

30-03-2006 17:26:13

500 is perfect becuase 1-2 pounds per week whiuch is the max per week

JUNIOR6886

30-03-2006 18:31:10

my nutrition teacher said the same thing about losing 1-2 pounds a week but on shows like "the biggest loser" the contestants seem to be losing wayyyyyy more than 1-2 pounds a week and it looks like mostly fat.... whats up with that?

Anyways, Ive had some success with weight loss. I was 260 pounds in the beginning of feburary. Now im 219 pounds and still dropping.
Increasing my physical activities, (skating more, going to the gym) , eating Lean Pockets and yougurt and avoiding high fat food at all times (except once in a while when im out with friends or during holidays) has really helped.

Kidd

30-03-2006 18:42:47

well the people on the biggest loser are what 200-300 pounds overweight so they dont need to worry about muscle loss or lean body mass loss becuase there is SO MUCH fat that they need to lose first. anyways avoid lean pockets go down to ultra lean pockets more protein but if u can avoid them do it becuase they are processed foods although they reduce ur weigh u dont lose ur trouble spots aka gut and etc. one cheat meal per week is fine. anyways yogurt or cottage cheese try to eat it before u go to bed becuase its casein protein and slow digests which keeps ur body from going catabolic overnight

drummer_kew_03

31-03-2006 06:16:10

For people who want to cut the soda, but need the caffeine.

http//www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/buzzaire.shtml?cpg=28T[]http//www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/buzzaire.shtml?cpg=28T

Jake

31-03-2006 06:34:49

Stop drinking soda and other heavily sweetened drinks.

Stop eating out all the time.

Stay active - lift weights and do exercises that increase your heart rate.

I have made all of these changes in my lifestyle in order to shrink the gut that I developed after quitting smoking. It's working so far! )

topbillin1

31-03-2006 06:54:36

Jake, does smoking help you devolop a gut? Or gain weight?

I need to quit

special k

31-03-2006 07:08:11

You should do what I did, run every day, dont drink soda, have a low calorie diet, and than grow 7 inches over the summer worked like a charm. P

Wolfeman

31-03-2006 13:24:23

I drink too much Diet soda. I can't stop!!! At least I quit smoking )

fgr_admin

31-03-2006 16:59:03

The easiest way to lose 10lbs in 2 weeks is as follows. What you have to do is retrain your body.

Start by switching to 6 small meals a day. Example

7am apple, 6oz yougurt
10am 6oz tuna , 2 slices bread
1pm small salad with light dressing
4pm 2 pieces of fruit
6pm 6oz chicken, 6oz rice, small portion greens
9pm 6oz yourrt, and a banana

Follow this diet with light cardio, or a long walk twice a day.

After 2 weeks cut off your head and BAM youve lost 10lbs

Iloveipods2

31-03-2006 17:11:43

lol i'm actually trying to gain 10 lbs of muscle.(but to gain muscle you have to eat more to compensate for the muscle gain, which obviously means you're probably going to gain some fat)

so yeah, drink green tea, and run(or swim).

Drink alotta water. and never, by any circumstance, eat straight up animal fat. that's a killer. plus it's bad for your heart.

lol lol if you're single, dedicate yourself to power yoga. that way you're losing weight and meeting muchas chicas wink ( I pass by a 24 hour fitness to get home and since the entire place is surrounded by glass windows you can see what's going on in there)

crazyates

31-03-2006 18:49:59

[quote600b249457="Iloveipods2"]lol i'm actually trying to gain 10 lbs of muscle.(but to gain muscle you have to eat more to compensate for the muscle gain, which obviously means you're probably going to gain some fat)[/quote600b249457]

not necesarily. you can eat more, as long as you match it w/ the proper amount of activity. If you burn the energy you're getting in foods, you shouldn't gain any fat at all

[quote600b249457="Iloveipods2"]so yeah, drink green tea, and run[b600b249457](or swim)[/b600b249457].[/quote600b249457] lol lol lol lol swimming is always good for you, i'm convinsed it's the best thing you can do for your body

Iloveipods2

31-03-2006 19:24:08

[quotebeb7f21314="crazyates"][quotebeb7f21314="Iloveipods2"]lol i'm actually trying to gain 10 lbs of muscle.(but to gain muscle you have to eat more to compensate for the muscle gain, which obviously means you're probably going to gain some fat)[/quotebeb7f21314]

not necesarily. you can eat more, as long as you match it w/ the proper amount of activity. If you burn the energy you're getting in foods, you shouldn't gain any fat at all[/quotebeb7f21314]

ummm i don't think you've ever seriously weight lifted, very very very simply there's two stages bulking up and then cutting(losing the excess fat). but, yes, i agree with you. but that would still greatly hinder your muscle production.

For optimal muscle gain, you should have a large amount of water(helps aid in recovery, more energy to work out, and larger storage of protein). If you burn too much, you'll lose a good portion of that protein and water, which, in turn, means slower recovery. that's why they make all those supplements(creatine, protein shakes, etc etc)

oh and swimming is amazing! D

crazyates

31-03-2006 19:45:53

[quoteeba75e978b="Iloveipods2"]ummm i don't think you've ever seriously weight lifted, very very very simply there's two stages bulking up and then cutting(losing the excess fat). but, yes, i agree with you. but that would still greatly hinder your muscle production. [/quoteeba75e978b]

that's weight lifting...or cardio it's different

[quoteeba75e978b="Iloveipods2"]For optimal muscle gain, you should have a large amount of water(helps aid in recovery, more energy to work out, and larger storage of protein). If you burn too much, you'll lose a good portion of that protein and water, which, in turn, means slower recovery. that's why they make all those supplements(creatine, protein shakes, etc etc)[/quoteeba75e978b]

oh...i thought it was to make money for stuff you don't need shrug i get along fine w/o them...

[quoteeba75e978b="Iloveipods2"]oh and swimming is amazing! D[/quoteeba75e978b]

totally...noting better than a good 6...7,000 yard practice..mmhmm

Kidd

31-03-2006 20:25:23

to gain muscle i eat like 3,000 calories all clean.

oats
1 pound of beef
1 gallon of milk
cell mass

for cutting during pre summer to get my abs out in full effect this is my diet

7am - 16 oz black coffee
1 cup kashi go lean
1 cup skim/1 percent milk

10 am- 1 scoop protein shake with oats

1230-1- chicken breast with brown rice or brocolli or tuna or deli turkey on a flax seed wrap

330-4- (PRE-WORKOUT)- lean meat, fruit, ready for war, creatine, apple

6-(Post Workout)- 2 scoops of whey protein, banana

7-730- chicken breast with brocolli or brown rice or on flax seed wrap. or any other lean meat.


11-12 depends on what tme i go to bed- 1 scoop of casein protein and 1 spoon of 100 percent natural peanut butter

supplements used in cutting in the past
ec stack ( ephedra and caffeine) by far the most powerful will melt pounds off without work
seasmin plus cla stack- hits the fat storage areas
fish oil capsules- 3 a day gets in those essential fatty acids which are awesome at fat loss.
creatine- wow good muscle builder( bulk cee)
ready 4 war- gets u amped for working out good reps/pumps
while cutting i would drink 1 1/4 gallons
On Whey protein- best tasting best effects

andreliveson

31-03-2006 20:28:59

cell tech is overpriced. Where are you getting the ephedra at as most were banned.

What is beed?

Veek

31-03-2006 20:29:17

I thought someone said supplements were bad.

Kidd

31-03-2006 20:32:24

[quote6a83e42e9b="andreliveson"]cell tech is overpriced. Where are you getting the ephedra at as most were banned.

What is beed?[/quote6a83e42e9b]

i get my cell tech from company i reviewed and kept log now i get it for pennies on the dollar.

beed= bulk cee?

its a creatine works for everyone

supplements arent bad but u shouldnt make the supplement do all the work.

also ephedra is still found in many places vasopro cough

andreliveson

31-03-2006 20:33:33

[quote20ba6c3d66="Veek"]I thought someone said supplements were bad.[/quote20ba6c3d66]


no what is bad is drug companies pushing paxil, zoloft etc.


most supplements are fine whey protein, casein, creatine, glutamine etc. If you decide to take pro-hormones/andro you may have some side effects such as pimples, gyno, more facial hair, mood swings etc. As they are not really "supplements" more towards the steroid line.

ephedra was used for 2000 years by the chinese but since some dude took too much of it and didnt get enuff water which gave him a heart attack they banned it. But so would Aspriin! But oh wait aspirin isn't an herb. They can profit off that!

Which is the reason why the FDA did this is because EPHEDRA is a natural herb, something they can't profit off of.

Thats why they made it a law that only a drug can cure, prevent, help a disease.

Kidd

31-03-2006 20:36:16

not becuase its abused and causes heart attackes when ppl used the pure form.

ephedrine hcl is better in my opinion

anyways ive taken androl for one cycle i felt more powerful but i stopped

andreliveson

31-03-2006 20:37:50

go to www.bodybuilding.com then the forum it talks about everything.

Kidd

31-03-2006 20:38:41

i view never post on there decent stuff anyways there not the cheapest online supplier O

andreliveson

31-03-2006 20:42:44

yeah try www.dpsnutrition.com and www.supplementdirect.com

along with www.proteinfactory.com


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Kidd

31-03-2006 20:45:05

whats ur bb.com user

anyways taken down dps dont get that one public they already raised there prices

andreliveson

31-03-2006 20:47:25

dont post there anymore just read the forum, i used to a long time ago but was banned ;)

fgr_admin

31-03-2006 22:36:17

Oh trying to gain weight.

Then I suggest reading every article/book you can find by
"Dan Duchaine "

Then absolute guru on muscle gain.