eBay dispute case, need some opinions

I ordered some Tiffany jewerly off www.tiffanyjewelry.us[]www.tiffanyjewelry.us back in December. Got a great deal. All over the website says the shit is authentic, I even emailed them asking if it was real. They confirmed and said it was. I sold two items in one auction, and a 3rd item in another. A few weeks after I sent him the item he wrote me an emai claiming it was fake. After a few weeks of going back and fourth over email, I told him I would not refund his money and now he's filed a complaint with eBay. I've never gotten proof it's fake, nor do I know if he switched it for a real one. Should I have to refund his money?

Also - please post reason for vote )

I don't claim to know anything about the whole ebay/paypal dispute system. From what i've read sounds like paypal will get your money if they want to give it to him.

so why pay now if when they will take it anyhow, and you claim to be in the right

Where does it say their jewelry is authentic Tiffany stuff?

[quoteac909c7faf="hehehhehe"]Where does it say their jewelry is authentic Tiffany stuff?[/quoteac909c7faf]

[quoteac909c7faf]F A Q


-- Product Inquiry

- What type of material used for making of the jewelry?

The material used are genuine Italian 925 sterling silver and genuine 18K gold.[/quoteac909c7faf]

You shouldn't give him a refund.

My reason being the more often you 2 are emailing each other the less time you have to come here and spam the boards with your nonsense.

[quote7febfd9f83="fgr_admin"]You shouldn't give him a refund.

My reason being the more often you 2 are emailing each other the less time you have to come here and spam the boards with your nonsense.[/quote7febfd9f83]

who are you? i'm not spamming with nonsense.... people posting about ORLY nail polish is nonsense

[quote29edfccba6="theysayjump"][quote29edfccba6="hehehhehe"]Where does it say their jewelry is authentic Tiffany stuff?[/quote29edfccba6]

[quote29edfccba6]F A Q


-- Product Inquiry

- What type of material used for making of the jewelry?

The material used are genuine Italian 925 sterling silver and genuine 18K gold.[/quote29edfccba6][/quote29edfccba6]
Yeah, I saw that too. Does that mean it's Tiffany's, or does it mean it's just their own stuff (what I thought it meant). I don't know anything about jewelry, but I think peope that sell fakes on ebay claiming them as real are real scum of the earth.

I don't think he deserves his money back.

Show him the site you got it from.
Also, remove your money from your paypal account so they can't take it.

I agree it's so grimy to sell fake stuff on eBay and claim it's real. Thing is I thought (still think) it was (is) real.....Especially after the email they sent me said it was real shrug

Forward that e-mail to the guy.

I asked them that question. I'll let you know(within 24 hours,lol) what they respond with.

I think that site can't be selling real Tiffany's since only Tiffany's can sell real Tiffany's jewelry (I read up on it). You sold him a fake (you should've known) so you should refund him, period.

Tiffany's is now suing ebay
http//www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/technology/29ebay.html?_r=1[]http//www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/technology/29ebay.html?_r=1

i read about ebay sueing tiffany. There is actually a few places on the internet that sell tiffany jewelry......

Tiffany's is suing ebay, not the other way around. So who online sells new and REAL tiffany's jewelry besides Tiffany's?

Even the article says that Tiffany's may be trying to "force people to buy exclusively from Tiffany."

[quote7203339945="hehehhehe"]Tiffany's is suing ebay, not the other way around. So who online sells new and REAL tiffany's jewelry besides Tiffany's?[/quote7203339945]

yeah my bad but you knew what i meant, no idea but search tiffany jewelry on google you'll get plenty

I edited my post and added further reason why you're wrong. By googling you get a whole bunch of people selling fucking fakes.

Man, I feel like I wasted time posting. You are one big bullshitter.

Real Tiffany & Co. products come with a box/pouch, care card, and stamp of authenticity.

Actually, there are a few companies who purchase Tiffany's products straight from the manufacturer for re-sale.

Do more research and you will find that out.

[quoted1ee33ea49="PokerNerdAA"]I agree it's so grimy to sell fake stuff on eBay and claim it's real. Thing is I thought (still think) it was (is) real.....Especially after the email they sent me said it was real shrug[/quoted1ee33ea49]


if the company is selling fake tiffany jewelry they're not going to tell you that!!!

what the hell. could you be any more gullible? You sold fake jewelry and paypal will almost certainly give the guy his money back. get ready.

is it your fault? no. should you refund the guy his money? yes.

ETA upon looking at the site, al these 60 and 70 dollar 'tiffany' rings and necklaces.. you should be kicked for buying from him thinking its the real thing.

[quotead6fa0697c="ghondi"]Actually, there are a few companies who purchase Tiffany's products straight from the manufacturer for re-sale.

Do more research and you will find that out.[/quotead6fa0697c]

I'm not doing any research for this guy. I'm stating from what I know that real Tifanny products come with all of those things. If Pokerblah didn't do his own research to make sure he got all of those things before he sold them, then it's partly his fault.

And the guy who bought it is also to blame because he didn't make sure all of those things where included when he bought them.

[quote593a5fee1b="Veek"]Real Tiffany & Co. products come with a box/pouch, care card, and stamp of authenticity.[/quote593a5fee1b]

all that was included. pouch, box, gift bag, and some care card..


i'm not sitting here telling you I think it's 100% authentic and I'm the retard, I'm just saying what evidence I have to submit to eBay. Personally I have no opinion neither do I care if it's fake or not. I'm just saying what the facts are. Thank you heehehehhehe, fgr_admin, LucaBella for being assholes though, it's really apperciated

[quote2a7d06930b="ghondi"]Actually, there are a few companies who purchase Tiffany's products straight from the manufacturer for re-sale.

Do more research and you will find that out.[/quote2a7d06930b]
Who? Even the Tiffany's site says "8. NO PURCHASES FOR RESALE" in their terms http//www.tiffany.com/business/account_apply/terms_directbill_popup.html[]http//www.tiffany.com/business/account_apply/terms_directbill_popup.html.

And this jewelry website says (we are in the US)
[i2a7d06930b]Tiffany has an active campaign to prevent counterfeiting and trademark infringement. it's merchandise is only available from Tiffany & Co. stores, boutiques, catalogs and its Web site. It does not offer its goods for resale in the U.S., nor are there over-runs or off-price outlets. [/i2a7d06930b]
http//www.professionaljeweler.com/archives/news/2003/100803story.html[]http//www.professionaljeweler.com/archives/news/2003/100803story.html

I wanna be an asshole too!

Thats bullshit!


liGoes and cries in a corner in the fetal positionli

hehehehehehhhe, the resale thing "In the US"

I never said in the us!P

I don't see how we were assholes... Well, I was after I got sick of all your bullshit but Veek and Lucabella were just stating the obvious.

I really tried having a normal discussion with you but I guess the others that always fuck with you are right to do so.

[quote08bf87c9f9="hehehhehe"]I edited my post and added further reason why you're wrong. By googling you get a whole bunch of people selling fucking fakes.

Man, I feel like I wasted time posting. You are one big bullshitter.[/quote08bf87c9f9]

i never said anything bad, i just said you could searach google to find people selling tiffany.... maybe i just think they're assholes cuz i always think they have a stuipd sarcastic tone... my fault

[quote517b78988c="PokerNerdAA"][quote517b78988c="hehehhehe"]I edited my post and added further reason why you're wrong. By googling you get a whole bunch of people selling fucking fakes.

Man, I feel like I wasted time posting. You are one big bullshitter.[/quote517b78988c]

i never said anything bad, i just said you could searach google to find people selling tiffany.... maybe i just think they're assholes cuz i always think they have a stuipd sarcastic tone... my fault[/quote517b78988c]

I am not being sarcastic. that site looks like it was done by a 6 year old. They show that they have SIX rings, for fuck's sake. You're saying "well hey, they said they were real so.. ain't my fault" and I'm saying that's crap.

give the guy his money back, apologize, and hope the neg feedback isn't too harsh.

I agree. The person you bought this jewelry from essentially scammed 2 people. Both you [i82ed20b158]and[/i82ed20b158] the person you sold the jewelry to were too guillible, accepting and e-mail of all things for proof of authenticity of a tangible product. The least you could have done is take the jewelry to a shop and get an official, tangible certificate....or in your case, get informed that you just wasted your money. Therefore saving your headache/your reputation on eBay.

[quotefad5387065="PokerNerdAA"][quotefad5387065="fgr_admin"]You shouldn't give him a refund.

My reason being the more often you 2 are emailing each other the less time you have to come here and spam the boards with your nonsense.[/quotefad5387065]

who are you? I am not spamming with nonsense.... people posting about ORLY nail polish is nonsense[/quotefad5387065]

First you have 420+ posts in what 20 days. So 21 posts a day and I doubt 20 of them have anything to do with freebie sites.

I've seen your stupid posts on pickup lines, condoms, this poll etc etc.

I also understand this forum has this topic for people to post "off-topic" posts. However I think all forums generally want contributing members to make thes "off-topic" posts. Not some random kid with a motor mouth and spastic fingers.

Lastly not only do you spam here but you scam on ebay. Why don't you show the ebay auction? How much did you sell it for? I bet a lot more then you paid for it.

So unless you are a complete idiot you cant think someone would pay XXX amount for something so readily available on the internet for so much cheaper if its real.

Give the guy back his money.

Now go eat some more sugar so you can make your daily 20 posts.

Just because "authentic tiffany jewelery" has to be sold BY tiffany's doesn't mean that someone else could conceivably sell REAL jewelery...

There's no law that says you can't resell something after you buy it. "Not packaged for individual resale" on soda cans is a bunch of bullshit..it's a free market economy.

Now lying about a product is bad. My recommendation is that you refund the buyer, beg to paypal to not close your account, and have him send the jewelery back. Check it out, you'll know if it's the same item or not. Go to a jeweler's and see if the stone is original or was removed or whatever, AND see if it was fake. If so, go after the guy who sold you the fake.

It's YOUR FAULT for not checking in the first place. If you went to a jeweler who said "yes this is a real whatever diamond" FIRST, THEN sold it like you should have, then you wouldn't have gotten yourself in this mess. I think you need to refund the money, cut your losses, and start again, knowing that only retards trust the emails of some shady ebay jeweler.

"here you go honey"
"OMG where'd you get it"
"Ebay"

Yeah, she's gonna have sex with you after that. REal intelligent

Come on guys. In all fairness, I'd be fooled too if it looked like this

http/" alt=""/img118.imageshack.us/img="118/9016/ebayit7wu.jpg[" alt=""/img00e12981d6]

[quote72218aeddb="fgr_admin"]Why don't you show the ebay auction? How much did you sell it for? I bet a lot more then you paid for it.[/quote72218aeddb]
Exactly.

[quote72218aeddb="fgr_admin"]So unless you are a complete idiot you cant think someone would pay XXX amount for something so readily available on the internet for so much cheaper if its real.[/quote72218aeddb]
applaud

Well put FQR Admin. This guy is either a real idiot, or he is just dying for some attention.

[quote1b23844d65="nobody2000"]There's no law that says you can't resell something after you buy it. "Not packaged for individual resale" on soda cans is a bunch of bullshit..it's a free market economy.[/quote1b23844d65]

Uh...yes there is...
shrug

[quote56b1b56493="PokerNerdAA"][quote56b1b56493="fgr_admin"]You shouldn't give him a refund.

My reason being the more often you 2 are emailing each other the less time you have to come here and spam the boards with your nonsense.[/quote56b1b56493]

who are you? i'm not spamming with nonsense.... people posting about ORLY nail polish is nonsense[/quote56b1b56493]

The difference is, I actually contribute to these boards, and 99.9% of my posts aren't worthless.

[quote7984cf54ee="CollidgeGraduit"][quote7984cf54ee="PokerNerdAA"][quote7984cf54ee="fgr_admin"]You shouldn't give him a refund.

My reason being the more often you 2 are emailing each other the less time you have to come here and spam the boards with your nonsense.[/quote7984cf54ee]

who are you? i'm not spamming with nonsense.... people posting about ORLY nail polish is nonsense[/quote7984cf54ee]

The difference is, I actually contribute to these boards, and 99.9% of my posts aren't worthless.[/quote7984cf54ee]

IAWTC.

[quote8b093820a2="kposse77"]Come on guys. In all fairness, I'd be fooled too if it looked like this

http/" alt=""/img118.imageshack.us/img="118/9016/ebayit7wu.jpg[" alt=""/img8b093820a2][/quote8b093820a2]


ROTFL!

+karma for making me laugh til I choked.

Now I need to go make 18 more posts today so I can be cool like Nerd.

http//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43029&item=5064992466[]http//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43029&item=5064992466

got about $80 profit off it....

no offense but you're all stupid (most)..... it's pretty damn obvious that the shit on that website isn't authentic..... HOWEVER it's impossible to be called scamming when you have all this shit that guarentees its authenticity. scummy? yes. agasint the law? no.

[quote23373d64bb="fgr_admin"][quote23373d64bb="PokerNerdAA"][quote23373d64bb="fgr_admin"]You shouldn't give him a refund.

My reason being the more often you 2 are emailing each other the less time you have to come here and spam the boards with your nonsense.[/quote23373d64bb]

who are you? I am not spamming with nonsense.... people posting about ORLY nail polish is nonsense[/quote23373d64bb]

First you have 420+ posts in what 20 days. So 21 posts a day and I doubt 20 of them have anything to do with freebie sites.

I've seen your stupid posts on pickup lines, condoms, this poll etc etc.

I also understand this forum has this topic for people to post "off-topic" posts. However I think all forums generally want contributing members to make thes "off-topic" posts. Not some random kid with a motor mouth and spastic fingers.

Lastly not only do you spam here but you scam on ebay. Why don't you show the ebay auction? How much did you sell it for? I bet a lot more then you paid for it.

So unless you are a complete idiot you cant think someone would pay XXX amount for something so readily available on the internet for so much cheaper if its real.

Give the guy back his money.

Now go eat some more sugar so you can make your daily 20 posts.[/quote23373d64bb]

number one you're not factoring in the fact I had a 6 day ban
number two i don't consider any of my shit spam. Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.....that's not what I'm doing to this board. I'm bored, and I figure all you are too so why not just make some posts that aren't completely relevant but are at the same time. As for my posts about pickuplines (wtf), condoms (wtf), this poll (wtf). None of them are really true. Number one I made a poll asking for advice on how to start a conversation, not pick some chick up. In casey ou didn't notice it got 220+ replies and about 4,000 views, musta been pretty stupid huh? Never made a post about condoms so that's kinda wird...... and I think this poll is necessary because I'm wondering what to do here and what people think should be done. damn.

[quoted5e1b0afce="PokerNerdAA"]I agree it's so grimy to sell fake stuff on eBay and claim it's real. Thing is I thought (still think) it was (is) real.....Especially after the email they sent me said it was real shrug[/quoted5e1b0afce]

[quoted5e1b0afce="PokerNerdAA"]no offense but you're all stupid (most)..... it's pretty damn obvious that the shit on that website isn't authentic..... HOWEVER it's impossible to be called scamming when you have all this shit that guarentees its authenticity. scummy? yes. agasint the law? no.[/quoted5e1b0afce]

I've never really made a comment to or about you, but man I think it's time you seek a psychiatrist, for a few different reasons.

Poker, you got your answers. Eleven people said to give the money back and even stated legit reasons on why. Make this thread worth it and follow through what you were going to do.

hmm

[quote17ff91b455="kevxross"][quote17ff91b455="PokerNerdAA"]I agree it's so grimy to sell fake stuff on eBay and claim it's real. Thing is I thought (still think) it was (is) real.....Especially after the email they sent me said it was real shrug[/quote17ff91b455]

[quote17ff91b455="PokerNerdAA"]no offense but you're all stupid (most)..... it's pretty damn obvious that the shit on that website isn't authentic..... HOWEVER it's impossible to be called scamming when you have all this shit that guarentees its authenticity. scummy? yes. agasint the law? no.[/quote17ff91b455]

I've never really made a comment to or about you, but man I think it's time you seek a psychiatrist, for a few different reasons.[/quote17ff91b455]

Yeah kid, one minute you're saying it's real and the next you're saying it's obsiously fake.

So which is it?

[quote0c8dfbbb41="Veek"]Poker, you got your answers. Eleven people said to give the money back and even stated legit reasons on why. Make this thread worth it and follow through what you were going to do.[/quote0c8dfbbb41]

9 also said no.... it's not even been 24 hours... don't polls usually run for longer then that before getting a result?

no offense poker but I'm losing track of how you feel about this and why you created it as a poll

[quote08df61e903][b08df61e903]I agree it's so grimy to sell fake stuff on eBay and claim it's real.[/b08df61e903] Thing is I thought (still think) it was (is) real.....Especially after the email they sent me said it was real[/quote08df61e903]

[quote08df61e903]i'm not sitting here telling you I think it's 100% authentic and I'm the retard, I'm just saying what evidence I have to submit to eBay. [b08df61e903]Personally I have no opinion neither do I care if it's fake or not.[/b08df61e903] I'm just saying what the facts are. Thank you heehehehhehe, fgr_admin, LucaBella for being assholes though, it's really apperciated[/quote08df61e903]

[quote08df61e903]http//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43029&item=5064992466

got about $80 profit off it....

no offense but you're all stupid (most)..... [b08df61e903]it's pretty damn obvious that the shit on that website isn't authentic..... HOWEVER it's impossible to be called scamming when you have all this shit that guarentees its authenticity. scummy? yes. agasint the law? no.[/b08df61e903][/quote08df61e903]

[quote08df61e903]and I think this poll is necessary because I'm wondering what to do here and what people think should be done. damn.[/quote08df61e903]

I mean which is it? Do you care if you, in your own words, consider what you did to be scummy? You say on the one hand that it's grimy to sell fake stuff and claim it's real, but then in a subsequent post, you say you don't have an opinion and you don't personally care.

You say you want the opinion of people on this forum, but it seems that only applies if they justify your point of view.

Unfortunately for you, as the seller (or in this case, reseller) of the item, it kind of falls on you to back up the claim you make of the items being authentic whether you were aware if it was real or not. That is, at least, if you want to be know as a reputable seller.

[quote29d0cea81c="PokerNerdAA"][quote29d0cea81c="Veek"]Poker, you got your answers. Eleven people said to give the money back and even stated legit reasons on why. Make this thread worth it and follow through what you were going to do.[/quote29d0cea81c]

9 also said no.... it's not even been 24 hours... don't polls usually run for longer then that before getting a result?[/quote29d0cea81c]

Read the replies, it doesn't take a genius to tell you that they're all against you for selling the fake stuff and not even caring that it's fake. Put yourself in that dudes position, you'd be in here crying and whining making threads/polls about whether or not YOU should get a refund. C'mon now, think!

I'd take more people serious when they give me a good reason on why they voted instead of just voting.

not going to lie i contridicted the shit out of myself... o well

Guys, don't waste anymore time on this idiot, who now shows us he has multiple personality disorder.

One minute we're assholes, then we're idiots. One minute he thinks sellers of fakes are scum, then he says he is one with no remorse.

Is knowingly selling fakes illegal? Yes you moron.

refund the man.

[quote7b2e45accc="hehehhehe"]Guys, don't waste anymore time on this idiot, who now shows us he has multiple personality disorder.

One minute we're assholes, then we're idiots. One minute he thinks sellers of fakes are scum, then he says he is one with no remorse.

Is knowingly selling fakes illegal? Yes you moron.[/quote7b2e45accc]

haha told you i contridicted myself cheer

[quote14e7059a10="PokerNerdAA"]haha told you i contridicted myself cheer[/quote14e7059a10]

shrug

Why is this worth cheering?

[quote49e6803948="kposse77"]
shrug

Why is this worth cheering?[/quote49e6803948]
Don't even ask, the guy's a nut case.

He is probably lying about being in tennessee, his ebay items are located in New Hampshire and you can see he even shill bids (his other ebay ID is NARU'ed lol).

REFUND!

lieditli Why are you showing me this knock off tiffanys jewelery after Valentines day! This could have been useful before.....jk

[quotedef4ce4528="hehehhehe"][quotedef4ce4528="kposse77"]
shrug

Why is this worth cheering?[/quotedef4ce4528]
Don't even ask, the guy's a nut case.

He is probably lying about being in tennessee, his ebay items are located in New Hampshire and you can see he even shill bids (his other ebay ID is NARU'ed lol).[/quotedef4ce4528]

nah i had my buddy sell it, and i've made it clear i moved here from NH in Sept.. nice try

I for one will just turn a cold shoulder to PNAA from now on. Never will I quote him, never will I direct any comments to him, and nevermore will I post in his threads.

That's the only way to get him to stop. Just ignore him.