Stay away from the offer WhiteOverNite

Got billed 106 today. Did the trial offer on 1/27, it stated it was a 14 day trial though its only been 6 days. Will be disputing this with paypal....in the meantime my debit cards have been canceled.

I saw that on OC and had a bad feeling about it. Feelings confirmed.

Don't tell me that I just did it like last week, I think its the same company as Cheat and Eat? I guess I'll avoid that too

Oh STFU you already violated the terms and conditions of the offer by being < 18 lol

omg double post
omg double post

The only thing good about your double post is that I get to see two guys on fire instead of one.

That's gotta suck having to cancel your debit cards.

[quoted1064b0823="FreeOffersNow"]Oh STFU you already violated the terms and conditions of the offer by being < 18 lol[/quoted1064b0823]

I asked my parents to do it? lol


Yes, its the same as Cheat and Eat, the charges come from them.


Under these circumstances here is their #

909-930-3060

[quotea7ccbb69a1="johnjimjones"]omg double post
omg double post

The only thing good about your double post is that I get to see two guys on fire instead of one.

That's gotta suck having to cancel your debit cards.[/quotea7ccbb69a1]

Yea, cant do offers right now. Waiting for one to get approved before i can request the second one. Unless my DIY cards come first....

Luckily I used my PayPal virtual card for this Cheat & Eat offer, I'll be damned if those fuckers scam me!

[quotefec9966e1a="tylerc"]Luckily I used my PayPal virtual card for this Cheat & Eat offer, I'll be damned if those fuckers scam me![/quotefec9966e1a]

Better keep under $100 in your account then, so it will get denied.

Yep, always have barely any money in there.

When i call the lean life # today i entered an extention i found on google, the lady was like how did you get this extension. (3006) lol (wrong dept of course)

You guys are teh scammers.

[quotecd6c5cae84="FreeOffersNow"]You guys are teh scammers.[/quotecd6c5cae84]

teh scammed us. 6 days is not a 14 day trial

Same thing happened to me. Charged $106.90 even though it's only been 6 days. I've sent a few emails to customer support over there, but man this is freaking annoying.

That explains the email they sent me apologizing for the fact that my order couldn't be processed because my credit card rejected the charge. Losers.

It's been less than 7 days for me too and I've gotten NOTHING from them, not even an email, until that one. Awesome trial, I'm sold!

Ah I just posted something like this about Cheat and Eat on the Help board. They don't reply to any calls or emails unless they want your money. This sucks.

[quote5643a8e131="CoMpFrEaK"]Got billed 106 today. Did the trial offer on 1/27, it stated it was a 14 day trial though its only been 6 days. Will be disputing this with paypal....in the meantime my debit cards have been canceled.[/quote5643a8e131]

you were probably trying to scam the offers anyways... with the ammount of people signing up for offers they know they dont want these days, its a wonder free sites can stay alive... you got what you deserved....

o

[quote6dac2b4030="JUNIOR6886"][quote6dac2b4030="CoMpFrEaK"]Got billed 106 today. Did the trial offer on 1/27, it stated it was a 14 day trial though its only been 6 days. Will be disputing this with paypal....in the meantime my debit cards have been canceled.[/quote6dac2b4030]

you were probably trying to scam the offers anyways... with the ammount of people signing up for offers they know they dont want these days, its a wonder free sites can stay alive... you got what you deserved....[/quote6dac2b4030]

Waits for TSJ to issue you your 5 day temp ban

[quotea3ea80ba18="JUNIOR6886"][quotea3ea80ba18="CoMpFrEaK"]Got billed 106 today. Did the trial offer on 1/27, it stated it was a 14 day trial though its only been 6 days. Will be disputing this with paypal....in the meantime my debit cards have been canceled.[/quotea3ea80ba18]

you were probably trying to scam the offers anyways... with the ammount of people signing up for offers they know they dont want these days, its a wonder free sites can stay alive... you got what you deserved....[/quotea3ea80ba18]

You make a lot of dumb posts, you know that? Like, I mean a lot of people here make some dumb posts and that's excusable, but you... you make a whole lot of em.

[quote3964c31148="kevxross"][quote3964c31148="JUNIOR6886"][quote3964c31148="CoMpFrEaK"]Got billed 106 today. Did the trial offer on 1/27, it stated it was a 14 day trial though its only been 6 days. Will be disputing this with paypal....in the meantime my debit cards have been canceled.[/quote3964c31148]

you were probably trying to scam the offers anyways... with the ammount of people signing up for offers they know they dont want these days, its a wonder free sites can stay alive... you got what you deserved....[/quote3964c31148]

You make a lot of dumb posts, you know that? Like, I mean a lot of people here make some dumb posts and that's excusable, but you... you make a whole lot of em.[/quote3964c31148]

i laugh, i laughed.

Well i filed a complaint with paypal, that guy i talked to was really nice about it to D

Oh god, if it's the same company as Cheat and Eat you're in for it.
They don't respond to emails and they don't answer their phone. I did the cheat and eat offer and 12 days later they tried to charge my paypal debit card but their wasn't any money in it. I kept trying to contact them but their telephone number would just send me to a voice mail. Finally when I called Novapoint(the company that handles their billing) they ignored the fact that they charged me too soon, and pointed to the fact that the offer is not really a trial but once you pay for the "trial" you're obligated to buy another 60 day trial, but when you read about it on their site it doesn't sound like that at all.

I called paypal and they cancel that virtual debit card and they just keep trying to charge it.

They tried to charge my Amex 4 days into the trial.

My Amex GIFT CARD, that is...

bastids. I know a scam when I see it, and when its on an OC site, I come prepared.

Retro, same here.

Is there anyway we can like... sue them for this stuff? Just wondering.

the same thing happened to me...i cancelled 5-6 days after i signed up and now i get charged. i sent them another email but it seems like it might be hard to contact them since it is a voicemail and everything. Does anybody know if i can call my bank and take the charges off? I had a small amount in my account so it ended up getting overdrafted

these guys are psychos. same issues im having and they are trying to charge like 4 days in a row!

ahh crap, these are the same guys as leanlifePM? If so then yep, complete scam.

Nope, LeanLifePM actually picks up at certain times.

They never picked up for me. LeanLife PM only called back after I said if they didn't I would be contacting the proper authorities.

looks like it is most likely the same scammers as leanlifepm. Although the last 4 digits of the phone number Retro posted are not the same, it's close enough. (909-9303047)

Here are my two transactions with leanlifePM. First one when they charged me even though I cancelled before the end of the trial. The second when they finally charged back my card...took about a month and a half roll


08/29/2005 DIRECTDEBIT/VISA-LEAN LIFE PM 909-9303047 UT -$108.07
11/09/2005 CREDIT/VISA-LEAN LIFE PM 909-9303087 UT +$108.07


As soon as I read about these guys I contacted my bank about a chargeback and they immediately gave me a 'provisional' refund while they researched it. Then after I finally got the real chargeback from leanlife they took it back. Everyone that has been charged when they shouldn't have been should contact their bank/credit card right away to start the chargeback/complaint process.


Anyone able to get an address for the number Retro or I have? It's a local phone number for me so if we can get an address I can actually go stop by their office and start some crap lol. Maybe someone can "social engineer" them enough to get an address lol. Like pretend you want to send a check for another shipment roll. It should be in the southern California area.



I just did this offer recently and haven't been charged even the shipping yet but I am not looking forward to messing with these scammers again. OC and TRAINN really need to take these offers off!

[quote5fabfb3546="Retro"]Oh god, if it's the same company as Cheat and Eat you're in for it.
They don't respond to emails and they don't answer their phone. I did the cheat and eat offer and 12 days later they tried to charge my paypal debit card but their wasn't any money in it. I kept trying to contact them but their telephone number would just send me to a voice mail. Finally when I called Novapoint(the company that handles their billing) they ignored the fact that they charged me too soon, and pointed to the fact that the offer is not really a trial but once you pay for the "trial" you're obligated to buy another 60 day trial, but when you read about it on their site it doesn't sound like that at all.

I called paypal and they cancel that virtual debit card and they just keep trying to charge it.[/quote5fabfb3546]whats the number for novapoint? Maybe we will have better luck contacting them directly.

[quotecaedcace13="JUNIOR6886"][quotecaedcace13="CoMpFrEaK"]Got billed 106 today. Did the trial offer on 1/27, it stated it was a 14 day trial though its only been 6 days. Will be disputing this with paypal....in the meantime my debit cards have been canceled.[/quotecaedcace13]

you were probably trying to scam the offers anyways... with the ammount of people signing up for offers they know they dont want these days, its a wonder free sites can stay alive... you got what you deserved....[/quotecaedcace13]

You're wearing out your welcome. Stop being rude or antagonistic. Consider this post your warning.

can someone explain this chargeback thing to me so i can call my bank first thing tomorrow?? do i simply just tell my bank i was charged for something i shouldnt have or what? help me out
thanks

[quoteb3cf7710e1="mistatnn"]can someone explain this chargeback thing to me so i can call my bank first thing tomorrow?? do i simply just tell my bank i was charged for something i shouldnt have or what? help me out
thanks[/quoteb3cf7710e1]Yes. I did mine online since I have online banking and went through their report process.

Basically you let them know that you did not authorize the charge and believe you may have been frauded. You will most likely have to make some sort of official claim with all the needed info so they can research it and try to follow up on it. Most of the time they suggest that you "exhaust" your resources trying to fix the situation yourself through the "merchant" so if they refuse to answer emails, return your calls after you leave messages or otherwise are not being responsive then you you have done your part.

Each bank/credit card is different so you will need to call or check their FAQ to find out how they dill with unauthorized charges and chargebacks ;_.

[quote468d22bb5f="JesterxXx"][quote468d22bb5f="Retro"]Oh god, if it's the same company as Cheat and Eat you're in for it.
They don't respond to emails and they don't answer their phone. I did the cheat and eat offer and 12 days later they tried to charge my paypal debit card but their wasn't any money in it. I kept trying to contact them but their telephone number would just send me to a voice mail. Finally when I called Novapoint(the company that handles their billing) they ignored the fact that they charged me too soon, and pointed to the fact that the offer is not really a trial but once you pay for the "trial" you're obligated to buy another 60 day trial, but when you read about it on their site it doesn't sound like that at all.

I called paypal and they cancel that virtual debit card and they just keep trying to charge it.[/quote468d22bb5f]whats the number for novapoint? Maybe we will have better luck contacting them directly.[/quote468d22bb5f]

sorry, I didn't see the post earlier.
http//novapointe.com/
877.968.4628

As soon as you mention Cheat And Eat or the other companies they'll try to forward you and of course they won't anwer the phone. You have to tell them to not forward you and listen to you.

Just a warning, they are no help at all. The woman just kept telling me that I had to be charged before I could cancel and ignored the fact that they charged me too soon.

thanks for the help JesterxXx. do you by any chance have wachovia?

[quote1dd49a47dd="mistatnn"]thanks for the help JesterxXx. do you by any chance have wachovia?[/quote1dd49a47dd]no prob. Hopefully your bank is as easy to deal with as mine was. The bank/card I used was Washington Mutual.

well i sent them in a dispute this morning so they said i should hear from them by tomorrow...i hope everything works out

bastards charged me AGAIN. Time to make a few calls... Is it me, or are the companies doing these offers getting worse and worse?

Owned

Name on Card
Tyler C
Merchant
Cheat and Eat 909-9303060 CA
Reason
Insufficient Funds

Tried to charge me yesterday and today, they aren't getting a dime from me.

cry

[quote7a340dcfd2]Dear Frank,

We regretfully are informing you that your order from CheatAndEatDiet was unable to be processed.

If you need any assistance with your credit card order (75003940317),
please feel free to contact the merchant with whom you placed the order,
CheatAndEatDiet at at 909-930-3060, or by email= at email=cs@novapointe.comcs@novapointe.com at email=cs@novapointe.comcs@novapointe.com/email
Your order was comprised of the following items
1 cheatandeat60 Cheat and Eat 60 day supply
Thank you for your interest in our product and please be sure to visit us at our website.[/quote7a340dcfd2]

[quote16dc4ba2d7="theysayjump"]cry

[quote16dc4ba2d7]Dear Frank,

We regretfully are informing you that your order from CheatAndEatDiet was unable to be processed.

If you need any assistance with your credit card order (75003940317),
please feel free to contact the merchant with whom you placed the order,
CheatAndEatDiet at at 909-930-3060, or by email= at email=cs@novapointe.comcs@novapointe.com at email=cs@novapointe.comcs@novapointe.com/email
Your order was comprised of the following items
1 cheatandeat60 Cheat and Eat 60 day supply
Thank you for your interest in our product and please be sure to visit us at our website.[/quote16dc4ba2d7][/quote16dc4ba2d7]

Haha, I got that same email (like 6 days into my "trial" roll). Haven't heard a word since )

I have filed complaints with both the Better Business Bureau of Southland as well as the Department of Consumer Affairs in New York. I would highly recommend to anyone who has been charged to do the same.

All things considered, they have a pretty high rating
http//www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=13090536&sm=

Rich

so, anyone gotten their money back from them right away?

Call your bank and have them cancel it immediately and file a complaint with the FTC and BBB in your area and theirs. For one they violated terms of the FTC's internet shipping policy they don't state the time in which the product should arrive any where on their site. Another thing that's funny is when I look up their address it doesn't come up with anything and their number doesn't have any info for it either.

My bank gave me money back immediately but I want those people to pay me. If they don't give me my money back I'm going to work to get that back and have them shut down.

[quote63c760ac1b="missdee212"]My bank gave me money back immediately but I want those people to pay me. If they don't give me my money back I'm going to work to get that back and have them shut down.[/quote63c760ac1b]
What bank do you have and what did you have to do to get the refund? Unfortunately I did this offer before reading this topic

They recently changed their terms and conditions to suit the scam they're running. =/

FREE SUPPLY
To begin receiving WhiteOverNite™ on the discounted Managed Care Program, grant us permission to charge $3.95 to your card to cover our shipping and handling expenses and you will receive a FREE supply. Please note The $3.95 for S&H is NON-Refundable. This free supply is for first time customers only.

AUTOSHIP
Upon Ordering your Free Supply of WhiteOverNite™ you will be automatically enrolled in our Auto-Ship program. The WhiteOverNite™ 60 day Auto-Ship program is only $99.95 plus shipping ensures that you will never run out of your supply as you keep your bright, beautiful smile!
Within fourteen days of placing your order, you will automatically be shipped a 60-day supply of WhiteOverNite™ and billed $99.95 plus shipping to your card. We know that you will feel this is the best money you ever spent.
The Auto-Ship service is not only FREE - you will receive a discounted Shipping & Handling fee of only $6.95

CANCELLING
If after using WhiteOverNite™ free supplu and first shipment, you decide you do not wish to receive your next 60-day supply, simply contact us 30 days before your next 60-day supply is due to be shipped. It is as easy as that. Simply e-mail Customer Service at email==cs@whiteovernite.comcs@whiteovernite.com=cs@whiteovernite.comcs@whiteovernite.com/email; you will receive an auto-reply with further details on how to cancel. Please note there are no refunds on the Auto-ship Program.

IMPORTANT NOTICE
These statements have not been reviewed by the FDA, and individual results may vary. YOU SHOULD NOT USE THIS PRODUCT IF YOU ARE PREGNANT, HAVE HEALTH PROBLEMS, PERIODONTAL DISEASE OR GUMS THAT ARE IN POOR CONDITION, WEAR BRACES, HAD RECENT ORAL SURGERY, DECAYED TEETH, HAVE ROOTS THAT ARE EXPOSED, HAVE COLITIS, OR HAVE JAW PROBLEMS. The manufacturer and seller assume no responsibility for any usage of product. You should consult with a dentist before attempting any at-home treatments and understand that there are risks involved in not doing so. A small percentage of people may experience reversible tooth sensitivity and gum irritation which disappears when use ends, or by decreasing the amount of time you bleach your teeth each time, or by increasing the amount of time between bleaching sessions. WhiteOverNite™ is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.


I authorize the charge for my free supply plus shipping of $3.95. I also authorize to be charged for the autoship program of $99.95 plus $6.95 shipping. For my convenience please delay the autoship charge of $99.95 plus $6.95 to within 14 day of my first charge of $3.95.


We reserve the right to make modifications and changes, at any time, to theses terms and conditions that we deem necessary, without prior notification.

By clicking on "Process Card" I agree to all the above terms.

Charges on your credit card will appear as Sky Fission LLC

This web site is secured using a Thawte Digital Certificate. This ensures that all information you send to us via the World Wide Web will be encrypted. For more information, please click on the Thawte Authentic Site Seal.

Then why the heck do they call it a "free trial" if you're forced to pay for it?

Because they're retarded and deserve to get shot?

because they are stupid and the reason I use pre-paid CCs for EVERYTHING nowadays

What happens if you use a virtual credit card for the free trial and they can't charge you for the 60 day supply? Can they sent it to collections or something like that? This is a very disturbing offer. I don't think I'm going to do it. (

[quote7a0d8d1a08="mr_black"]because they are stupid and the reason I use pre-paid CCs for EVERYTHING nowadays[/quote7a0d8d1a08]

Haven't you ever gotten a notice from a collection agency though?

I know for a fact that Stamps.com does call collection agencies after you Oo

For some reason, I actually GOT THROUGH to CheatAndEat/WhiteOverNite (same company) and had a talk with one of the CSRs, she was really nice but could do nothing for me so she transferred me to a higher-up's voicemail, I left a message saying that a community of "product testers" (FIG!) is upset at their false advertisement and that someone was actually considering a class-action lawsuit (Over at A4F which I browse occasionally) and for some reason they have actually stopped charging my Paypal card like a day after I left that voicemail. Coincidence? Oo

how do you get a virtual paypal credit card i dont see anything in paypal and does it act like a credit card or does it draw from your account

Log in-->Withdraw-->It's one of those options

FYI - the official word on this from the affiliate network is that they had an "issue" with their billing system that was charging early. supposedly it's fixed now and being watched carefully by the affiliate network. caveat emptor.

Whoa! Admin's been involved in trades?

Billing system "issue" eh? Sounds a bit sketchy.

When did I say or imply that I'm involved in any trades?

[quotebbee6e357b="Admin"]When did I say or imply that I'm involved in any trades?[/quotebbee6e357b]

That's what I was wondering.

[quote8bb74cb0c4="Admin"]FYI - the official word on this from the affiliate network is that they had an "issue" with their billing system that was charging early. supposedly it's fixed now and being watched carefully by the affiliate network. caveat emptor.[/quote8bb74cb0c4]Thanks for the info! I wonder if they are actually starting to get scared and now making "official excuses" in case there are real investigations and maybe legal action lol. Funny considering they even replied to some people saying that the terms were that you would be charged the full amount "within" 14 days.

The terms now state "within" so at least now they state what they will do...though still sketchy as hell.

[quoteeea570012c="Admin"]FYI - the official word on this from the affiliate network is that they had an "issue" with their billing system that was charging early. supposedly it's fixed now and being watched carefully by the affiliate network. caveat emptor.[/quoteeea570012c]

Admin, where did you get this info? They charged me $106.90 yesterday. Unfortunately, I signed up before I saw this thread.

has anyone been successful in [i9400d8b623]cancelling[/i9400d8b623] this offer (nevermind getting your money back)? I'm simply trying to make sure they don't bill me again, but I haven't been able to cancel. All I can get is voicemail or auto-reply emails.

This type of action by companies is usually a good sign that their end is near. If they owe you money, I'd do your best to get it back A.S.A.P. including chargebacks (which shouldn't be hard because CC companies are well aware of scam offers like WhiteOverNight and their respective owners).

On another note, I did receive my sample of this, and it was good for probably 7 or 8 uses. Which didn't really make sense because the autoship program sends you out even more of it every month...and how much teeth whitening can a single person do??

Admin- I was just looking at ur Trade Record and I was like WHOA Admin trades? I didn't notice that =P

I believe I have been successful in "cancelling" them since they've stopped charging me already.

[quoteaa5d4c7a40="unknown uchiha"]Admin- I was just looking at ur Trade Record and I was like WHOA Admin trades? I didn't notice that =P

I believe I have been successful in "cancelling" them since they've stopped charging me already.[/quoteaa5d4c7a40]

unknown, how were you able to cancel? voicemails? emails to which they didn't respond?

[quote262bb086e9="JesterxXx"][quote262bb086e9="mistatnn"]thanks for the help JesterxXx. do you by any chance have wachovia?[/quote262bb086e9]no prob. Hopefully your bank is as easy to deal with as mine was. The bank/card I used was Washington Mutual.[/quote262bb086e9]
Yeah WaMU ROCKS! I contacted them A.S.A.P. about the ordeal and I sent them the paper and all that crap back. WAMU replaced the money the took and closed the account(bank card) immediately and the customer service was great less than a minute wait.

[quote262bb086e9="tylerc"]They never picked up for me. LeanLife PM only called back after I said if they didn't I would be contacting the proper authorities.[/quote262bb086e9]
Did they give you your money back after you talked to them?

ha ha check out their BBB Rating now http//www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=100027057[]http//www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=100027057 I never thought I'd be so happy to see a F

[quote0fc66c85bc="dcrainmaker"]has anyone been successful in [i0fc66c85bc]cancelling[/i0fc66c85bc] this offer (nevermind getting your money back)? I'm simply trying to make sure they don't bill me again, but I haven't been able to cancel. All I can get is voicemail or auto-reply emails.[/quote0fc66c85bc] call your bank or credit card company and tell them the deal and have them close the card. then they can't charge you. I don't know if I was successful in canceling because as soon as I saw the charges I contacted my bank and had them close/deactivate the debit card. Then I had them give me the number and called them and they had their people call me 3 days later and I told them to close the account and give me my money back. They said they closed it but wouldn't give me my money back. (so i'm getting it back form them the hard way, small claims and through wamu's fraud dept)

Looks like their alias company [bef6edb4fa8]Cheat[/bef6edb4fa8] and eat isn't doing so well either
http//www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=100027241[]http//www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=100027241

[quote1a4af0b9ca="unknown uchiha"]Admin- I was just looking at ur Trade Record and I was like WHOA Admin trades? I didn't notice that =P

I believe I have been successful in "cancelling" them since they've stopped charging me already.[/quote1a4af0b9ca]

I traded with the elusive Admin a long long time ago. It was one of the worst trades I've had. P

It wasn't all Admin's fault, but the end result was a red for me.

I don't even remember what happened. Why did you get a red?

[quote94b581437f="unknown uchiha"]They recently changed their terms and conditions to suit the scam they're running. =/

FREE SUPPLY
To begin receiving WhiteOverNite™ on the discounted Managed Care Program, grant us permission to charge $3.95 to your card to cover our shipping and handling expenses and you will receive a FREE supply. Please note The $3.95 for S&H is NON-Refundable. This free supply is for first time customers only.

AUTOSHIP
Upon Ordering your Free Supply of WhiteOverNite™ you will be automatically enrolled in our Auto-Ship program. The WhiteOverNite™ 60 day Auto-Ship program is only $99.95 plus shipping ensures that you will never run out of your supply as you keep your bright, beautiful smile!
Within fourteen days of placing your order, you will automatically be shipped a 60-day supply of WhiteOverNite™ and billed $99.95 plus shipping to your card. We know that you will feel this is the best money you ever spent.
The Auto-Ship service is not only FREE - you will receive a discounted Shipping & Handling fee of only $6.95

CANCELLING
If after using WhiteOverNite™ free supplu and first shipment, you decide you do not wish to receive your next 60-day supply, simply contact us 30 days before your next 60-day supply is due to be shipped. It is as easy as that. Simply e-mail Customer Service at email==cs@whiteovernite.comcs@whiteovernite.com=cs@whiteovernite.comcs@whiteovernite.com/email; you will receive an auto-reply with further details on how to cancel. Please note there are no refunds on the Auto-ship Program.

IMPORTANT NOTICE
These statements have not been reviewed by the FDA, and individual results may vary. YOU SHOULD NOT USE THIS PRODUCT IF YOU ARE PREGNANT, HAVE HEALTH PROBLEMS, PERIODONTAL DISEASE OR GUMS THAT ARE IN POOR CONDITION, WEAR BRACES, HAD RECENT ORAL SURGERY, DECAYED TEETH, HAVE ROOTS THAT ARE EXPOSED, HAVE COLITIS, OR HAVE JAW PROBLEMS. The manufacturer and seller assume no responsibility for any usage of product. You should consult with a dentist before attempting any at-home treatments and understand that there are risks involved in not doing so. A small percentage of people may experience reversible tooth sensitivity and gum irritation which disappears when use ends, or by decreasing the amount of time you bleach your teeth each time, or by increasing the amount of time between bleaching sessions. WhiteOverNite™ is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.


I authorize the charge for my free supply plus shipping of $3.95. I also authorize to be charged for the autoship program of $99.95 plus $6.95 shipping. For my convenience please delay the autoship charge of $99.95 plus $6.95 to within 14 day of my first charge of $3.95.


We reserve the right to make modifications and changes, at any time, to theses terms and conditions that we deem necessary, without prior notification.

By clicking on "Process Card" I agree to all the above terms.

Charges on your credit card will appear as Sky Fission LLC

This web site is secured using a Thawte Digital Certificate. This ensures that all information you send to us via the World Wide Web will be encrypted. For more information, please click on the Thawte Authentic Site Seal.[/quote94b581437f]

SO glad I printed out their terms before they changed it.

[quotef1d648c6b2="Admin"]I don't even remember what happened. Why did you get a red?[/quotef1d648c6b2]

First of all, sorry for callin you out haha. I just remembered our trade since everyone's talking about it like you're some mystical being, then laughed about it when I remembered how it turned out. In hindsight I guess it was kinda lame of me to post that lol

But since it's done and since you asked -- I did your PVPs4Free for you to do Notebooks4Free for me. Then you said you couldn't do NB4F, so you paid some other guy to do it. Fast forward a few months to when I submitted for approval and your guy turned red, which meant I had to find another person to do an OOD ?

Like I said, it wasn't entirely your fault, so I just moved on and finished that hellish beast of a site.

Although its good to see the BBB ratings for the offers as "F" be sure to also report the company behind them or they will just keep coming out with new sites to screw people. Here is a link to the company that either owns some of these sites or is in charge of billing

novapointe http//www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=13090536&sm="


Also, looks like they have a new offer out so watch out for it. It's called LeanLookRX and if you look at their FAQ page it has the same contact number as the whiteovernite. Bastards! (http//www.leanlookrx.com/faq.html)

Yeah JesterxXx, I totally forgot about those creeps. here's the link directly to their BBB page so you can open a report.
http//www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=13090536[]http//www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=13090536

[quotebcc3813810="missdee212"]Yeah JesterxXx, I totally forgot about those creeps. here's the link directly to their BBB page so you can open a report.
http//www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=13090536[]http//www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=13090536[/quotebcc3813810]

Thanks a lot, missdee. I've now filed a report with BBB, and I encourage all others who've been scammed by either LeanLifePM, Cheat and Eat, or White Overnight to do the same.

For what it's worth, in my amateur legal opinion, Nova Pointe (assuming they own the aforementioned "businesses") would lose if sued on any number of legal theories. Despite the change in their T&C, I'd imagine a court might interpret the terms the way most consumers have understood them (after all, in Contract law, that's essentially what matters--it's an objective inquiry), which would be to entail a 14 day free trial before being billed for the auto-ship program. Even if a court interpreted those terms in the way Nova Pointe intends them, I would think they would be held to be legally unenforceable on grounds on unconscionability (although this one could be a tougher pull). All this to say, I really wish someone would take their asses to court and challenge their terms and conditions because I have a hard time believing a court would uphold them.

dcrainmaker I'm soo taking these guys to small claims. Which is why I printed out their terms etc. I've been looking for the forms and I got one of them looking for the rest. I'm pretty sure a judge would have them give me my cash back. Because their terms were very misleading.

[quote9d0e358891="missdee212"]dcrainmaker I'm soo taking these guys to small claims. Which is why I printed out their terms etc. I've been looking for the forms and I got one of them looking for the rest. I'm pretty sure a judge would have them give me my cash back. Because their terms were very misleading.[/quote9d0e358891]

Exactly. Hell, independent of the incredibly misleading "FREE trial" garbage, their terms aren't even internally coherent. I mean, read them and tell me they make sense--they most certainly don't, but that's by design. If they wanted the consumer to know what he was "agreeing" to, they'd make their terms crystal clear and sure as all hell wouldn't call it a "FREE trial."

These jacklegs think that just because a consumer "agrees" to a set of terms and conditions, that is the end of the inquiry, when in reality it means very little in the eyes of the law. It actually means absolutely nothing insofar as the law views those terms as legally unenforceable on any number of grounds.

Best of luck to you. As a general matter, I really like your chances.

signed up before reading any of this for whiteovernite AND leanlook
got charged 3.95 for both offers, then i saw this post so i withdrew all the money in my account. haven't gotten a charge yet. /

here is a small change in their terms i didn't catch
here is a change in their terms
I authorize the charge for my free supply plus shipping of $3.95. I also authorize to be charged for the autoship program of $99.95 plus $6.95 shipping. [b996c47a010]For my convenience please delay the autoship charge of $99.95 plus $6.95 to within 14 day of my first charge of $3.95.[/b996c47a010]

does that mean they will wait 14 days? or they will charge within 14 days? im guessing they mean they are waiting 14 days, then charging. to avoid the charge cancel before 14 days?

so confusing!

[quotebe8ba2d709="kingpin nyc"]here is a small change in their terms i didn't catch
here is a change in their terms
I authorize the charge for my free supply plus shipping of $3.95. I also authorize to be charged for the autoship program of $99.95 plus $6.95 shipping. [bbe8ba2d709]For my convenience please delay the autoship charge of $99.95 plus $6.95 to within 14 day of my first charge of $3.95.[/bbe8ba2d709]

does that mean they will wait 14 days? or they will charge within 14 days? im guessing they mean they are waiting 14 days, then charging. to avoid the charge cancel before 14 days?

so confusing![/quotebe8ba2d709]
I just signed up for another one of their companies and I'm wondering the same thing. Anyone know whats up?

im pretty sure they are going to TRY and charge my account for the 100 dollars in 14 days, since their terms say that you authorize the 3.95 charge AND the first auto-ship.

Well I'm going to try their shit out but if they try to charge me if I decide to not keep it, I'm going to go nuts...

[quotef6bdd85d83="Wolfeman"]Well I'm going to try their shit out but if they try to charge me if I decide to not keep it, I'm going to go nuts...[/quotef6bdd85d83]If it is one of their companies then they WILL be trying to charge you for the full amount "within" 14 days. The TOS used to be even more shady but now they claim it is clear that they will be charging you lol. Fckn scammers lol.

So if you have a way to block funds, do it now ;)

Although these guys are scammers their offers seem to credit really well.
im gonna try it using a greendot prepaid debit card twisted twisted twisted

you think they will send you to a collections agency?

[quotebffa68e934="kingpin nyc"]you think they will send you to a collections agency?[/quotebffa68e934]

When they dont ship you anything can they really send you to a collections agency? And then again why would they ship you anything when they didnt get their money wink

Just stay away from these sites.

There was a crappy freesite forum made by some Abercrombie Look Book Online guy who just wanted to advertise his forums, it was Invisionfree powered and didn't have a .comurl==http://=http:///url or anything. Turns out, someone signed up for this even after reading about the bad news and "hoping they wouldn't get charged".

=/ why do people complain these days when they fail to read clear warning labels? ><

How did anyone get through to this company? I'm having 0 luck and I need to talk to CS...

[quote2f82b22680="Wolfeman"]How did anyone get through to this company? I'm having 0 luck and I need to talk to CS...[/quote2f82b22680]They don't seem to pick up the phone more than like once a day lol. It seems impossible to talk with them and even when you do they are rude and flat out say you won't get your money back. Email seems to be the better way to get ahold of someone but they are the same through that. After you get your initial denial of refund from them it's best to just work with your bank/credit card and get your money that way (if you got charged).

I can't even get through to clilililili. This company is such a scam. I'm filing with the BBB when its all done...

Compfreak change this title to LeanLookRX too because I think they are the same company. They are such a scam and they women wouldn't even cancel my account when I called today. She said I have to wait and get charged the $100. I'm going to fight it with my CC and I talked to my CC company and they said I'll win so thats good...

The reason why the companies are doing this is because if you think about it, the people who are doing these offers are getting smarter by the day and the companies lose money to pay for the bounties because the "potential" customers turn out to be mostly free-loaders. So I think that's why some companies liek white out tries their best to get as much money off of their supposedly "potential" customermaids.

[quotea75c4176b4="VrExe"]The reason why the companies are doing this is because if you think about it, the people who are doing these offers are getting smarter by the day and the companies lose money to pay for the bounties because the "potential" customers turn out to be mostly free-loaders. So I think that's why some companies liek white out tries their best to get as much money off of their supposedly "potential" customermaids.[/quotea75c4176b4]
Its unfair to screw me out of my hard earned money. There shit doesn't work or they wouldn't need to pay for refs...

yeah they run quite a few different sites. I'm not sure which they actually own (besides whiteovernite which they registered) and some they may just do the credit card processing...though with the same scketchy moves.

Here are the offers known to be charged through novapoint though I am sure there are more

LeanLifePM
WhiteOverNite
RXZYTE
Cheat and Eat
LeanLookRX


More specifics about each here

http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46527

[quoteba54bbabd3="JesterxXx"]yeah they run quite a few different sites. I'm not sure which they actually own (besides whiteovernite which they registered) and some they may just do the credit card processing...though with the same scketchy moves.

Here are the offers known to be charged through novapoint though I am sure there are more

LeanLifePM
WhiteOverNite
RXZYTE
Cheat and Eat
LeanLookRX


More specifics about each here

http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46527[/quoteba54bbabd3]
Thanks for the heads up. I'm going to make a thread in the DIY section warning folks...

usually, check www.ratetheoffers.com

They have most of the offers and usually if they are bad there are people who got suckered that post saying don't do it.

LeanLifePM doesn't have these same terms but tacks on the eCurvesClubhouse crap.

Also, don't forget BurnFat2. Same company, same terms of the whole "I authorize to be charged $100+ for the autoship"

[quotef58b092f5e="unknown uchiha"]LeanLifePM doesn't have these same terms but tacks on the eCurvesClubhouse crap.

Also, don't forget BurnFat2. Same company, same terms of the whole "I authorize to be charged $100+ for the autoship"[/quotef58b092f5e]Lean life was the offer that I did to learn about this scamming company. Yeah the terms didn't say they were going to charge you (like the new whiteovernite sneak in with confusing wording) but they just flat out charged you. Even if you emailed early to cancel on time if you didn't like it they wouldn't reply back until a day after your trial period ended.

I think after that they got sneakier with the whole confusing/sketchy terms because that is when whiteovernite came out. They probably got too many chargebacks from leanlife and figured they could screw people better if they could show the new terms to banks/credit cards.

Regardless, they don't seem worried about threats of legal action or anything like that. Odds are most people probably just write it off as a loss and forget about it so they make bank from it even if they have to ignore people for a while.

bastids.