CES '06

There is so much good stuff I've lost track. Post links and pics and junk to some cool shit thats coming out...

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I found this on GearLive
http//www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/live-from-ces-larry-page-keynote-address-liveblog-0106051644/

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cehck out http//gearlog.com

Engadget has been doing a great job and GearLive has been getting good info too. I'll be FIPG/Gearlive's E3 guy. I go every year...

[quotec1f9008699="tracemhunter"]blu-ray blu-ray blu-ray )[/quotec1f9008699]

Is fucking shitty as hell. First, it is propietary. Second, they advocate high data space they have not made yet.

#1 is the #1 reason why you should absolutely loathe blu-ray and see it for nothing other then the fad it is. Sony is going to have a horable launch on blu-ray. Price is going to be through the roof, even more then HD-DVD players.

pioneer's blu-ray player is 1800 (
toshibas hd-dvd player is 500... but it crashed at ces.

I hate this upcoming format war. #1 who knows who will win and if you pic the wrong format its no fun (i know blu-ray is awesome but the best format doesn't always win) #2 super freaking expensive players and media (. I mean DL DVD-Rs are still too expensive... #3 I don't want to have to replace my 200 DVDs (

I'm super pumped about the Series 3 TiVo...

yeah i am hyped up about the tivo too. this is so weird. i am laying in bed typing on a 32" lcd right now P

[quote87de3124b4="Wolfeman"]I hate this upcoming format war. #1 who knows who will win and if you pic the wrong format its no fun (i know blu-ray is awesome but the best format doesn't always win) #2 super freaking expensive players and media (. I mean DL DVD-Rs are still too expensive... #3 I don't want to have to replace my 200 DVDs (

I'm super pumped about the Series 3 TiVo...[/quote87de3124b4]

It is CLEAR that HD-DVD is going to win. Plus seriously the only people riding the Blu-Ray is Sony fan bois or misinformed people. Proprietary should never win.

LOL!

i want blu-ray to win but i doubt it will.

All the nerds think Blu-Ray will win hands down but I keep explaining Sony doesn't do format fights very well. BetaMax, MiniDisc, MemoryStick, etc...

[quote27a4462a14="Wolfeman"]All the nerds think Blu-Ray will win hands down but I keep explaining Sony doesn't do format fights very well. BetaMax, MiniDisc, MemoryStick, etc...[/quote27a4462a14]

Every single nerd I know that knows 2 shits about the argument knows that propietary formats are fucking retarded. And know that most of the time they do not win.

The new XM XM2Go handhelds rock. )

Hehehe my dad got passes from his work so i'm actually going to ces tomorrow. Last year pamela anderson was there hopfully there will be some other hot chicks there this year. But i'm also intrested in seeing the rest of ces.

They always have the Porn Awards in Vegas the same weekend )

Did they officially release PS3 price?

[quote33dfd28d0f="johnjimjones"]Did they officially release PS3 price?[/quote33dfd28d0f]

no.

How is Blu-Ray proprietary? It's backed by more companies than hd-dvd so doesn't that make hd-dvd proprietary? Blu-Ray is not just sony... it's not like UMD discs.

Also, HD-DVD has DVD in the title. People forget the normal person doesn't know crap about this stuff and will just recognize DVD and then go, "DVD and HD! I know both those words"...

[quotef020b1ba24="slease"][quotef020b1ba24="johnjimjones"]Did they officially release PS3 price?[/quotef020b1ba24]

no.

How is Blu-Ray proprietary? It's backed by more companies than hd-dvd so doesn't that make hd-dvd proprietary? Blu-Ray is not just sony... it's not like UMD discs.[/quotef020b1ba24]

It is made by Sony, just beause it is backed by companies does not mean shit. They will charge fees for use of the PROPRIETARY Blu-ray format. Where HD-DVD has no fees at all for using the HD-DVD format.

Yeah I think also the fact that major studios are lined up on both sides could come into play. If a couple of big movies are only availible in one format, or TV series or such it could totally help swing momentum.

I think the best thing to do is wait it out and see who wins before buying up a bunch of media for one.

However since PS3 is coming with the blu-ray drive, they are already ahead in my book. For me to go out and buy an HD-DVD they will have a lot of ground to make up to casual PS3 owners

also google is making its own OS?

or was that more wishfull thinking.

well the 360 is going to have an hd-dvd external drive released soon.... according to bill gates atleast..

google is making an OS?? I think I'd die if they did...

yes that they want us to go out and buy for an extra $100 or something im sure

Hopefully HD-DVD takes over early. I don't think we really need the extra space on blu ray, and blu ray players and discs will be more expensive.

[quote63563e0089="Wolfeman"]Also, HD-DVD has DVD in the title. People forget the normal person doesn't know crap about this stuff and will just recognize DVD and then go, "DVD and HD! I know both those words"...[/quote63563e0089]

I was thinking the same thing the other day! Also, how do you get to go to E3?

-Pat

[quote94298a5771="patwalls99"][quote94298a5771="Wolfeman"]Also, HD-DVD has DVD in the title. People forget the normal person doesn't know crap about this stuff and will just recognize DVD and then go, "DVD and HD! I know both those words"...[/quote94298a5771]

I was thinking the same thing the other day! Also, how do you get to go to E3?

-Pat[/quote94298a5771]

Name recognition is a huge thing, no one talks about it. The average person will buy the Sony TV because "Sony is the best" even though there are plenty of other TVs out there better and cheaper.

I used to work selling software and my Dad has been in the software industry forever so we have connections. I always get a vendor pass and check it out for 1 day. Its been overrun by idiots now though. To many bloggers and "tech writers" that make it so tough to see anything cool. It used to be mostly business people and writers now its 10,000 people killing eachother for crappy giveaways and standing in 2 hour lines for a 5 min. demo. I'm still going but I wish they'd clean out the riff-raff...

[quote9f41b2bd50="patwalls99"][quote9f41b2bd50="Wolfeman"]Also, HD-DVD has DVD in the title. People forget the normal person doesn't know crap about this stuff and will just recognize DVD and then go, "DVD and HD! I know both those words"...[/quote9f41b2bd50]

I was thinking the same thing the other day! Also, how do you get to go to E3?

-Pat[/quote9f41b2bd50]

Purchase tickets and be prepared to spend a ton on your vegas hotel. Anyone can go though if they pay for it.

E3 is in LA...

[quote952f7c546d="Wolfeman"]E3 is in LA...[/quote952f7c546d]

Oops, I didn't read close enough, thought he was talking about CES.

HD-DVD expansion for xbox 360 only 100$??? Who said that??? It will be 300$ or so. A really good deal on thoose expensive Blu-Ray proprietary pieces of shit that will cost 600$+ and the movies will cost 3-4$ more JUST FOR THE PROPIETARY costs. LOLS BLU-RAY IS BETTER GUYS LOLS.

PS3 is going to be so high just for the Blu-Ray production costs. They will eat there ass on profits the first quarter the PS3 is released, at least in America. Because Americans are not going to buy a overpriced POS console like the PS3 for 600-800$ where the production cost for the PS3 will probaly be around 800$.

But I do not know in Japan where Sony already came out and said that they are going to sell it high.

the only reason i don't like blu-ray is it won't let you make copies of the disks even for backup purposes.

that is until someone cracks the code!!

I personally wont mind either because I'll end up with both in my possession, but still I will probably still be more for hd-dvd.... damnit, I wont want to buy the freakin extension for a 360!

Gearlive has a short video up about the Series 3 TiVo D
http//www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/ces-2006-video-tivo-series-3-video-interview-first-look-0108051437/

[quotea78eaaa5d0="Allen626"][quotea78eaaa5d0="Wolfeman"]All the nerds think Blu-Ray will win hands down but I keep explaining Sony doesn't do format fights very well. BetaMax, MiniDisc, MemoryStick, etc...[/quotea78eaaa5d0]

Every single nerd I know that knows 2 shits about the argument knows that propietary formats are fucking retarded. And know that most of the time they do not win.[/quotea78eaaa5d0]

Trust him, he knows A LOT of nerds.

lol the ps3 is not going to cost $800. it will probably cost around $400 or so. i think blu-ray might win now because of all the companies already making the discs. tdk and panasonic started producing at the end of last year with only 20% going in the garbage bin. who knows.

[quotec4f7228ab6="Wolfeman"]All the nerds think Blu-Ray will win hands down but I keep explaining Sony doesn't do format fights very well. BetaMax, MiniDisc, MemoryStick, etc...[/quotec4f7228ab6]
And, oh, what was that other media called? CD-Rom, that's right...[=http//www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-20/h5.html]CD-Rom, that's right...

People love to rag Sony about Betamax as they rip audio off an optical disc format that was co-led by Sony, lasted more than 20 years, and is still the primary way to purchase music on a physical medium.

1 for 4. And there wasn't a competitive product with CD-ROM, CD-ROM was it. All the other ones there was something similar in direct competition...

[quotee11a908625="Wolfeman"]1 for 4. And there wasn't a competitive product with CD-ROM, CD-ROM was it. All the other ones there was something similar in direct competition...[/quotee11a908625]
I think you just don't like sony...

[quote073a5b0e56="RoBsTaMaCk"][quote073a5b0e56="Wolfeman"]1 for 4. And there wasn't a competitive product with CD-ROM, CD-ROM was it. All the other ones there was something similar in direct competition...[/quote073a5b0e56]
I think you just don't like sony...[/quote073a5b0e56]

I just think you are a Sony fanboy. I really don't give a crap which format wins just as long as 1 destroys the other. It will really suck if you need to buy half your movies on 1 format and half on the other [i073a5b0e56]and[/i073a5b0e56] buy 2 players. All I'm saying is that just because Blu-Ray might sound better doesn't mean its going to win and that Sony isn't very good at these types of fights. The fact that Blu-Ray players are a lot more expensive is a big win for HD-DVD at launch...

[quoteccdf89491f="Wolfeman"][quoteccdf89491f="RoBsTaMaCk"][quoteccdf89491f="Wolfeman"]1 for 4. And there wasn't a competitive product with CD-ROM, CD-ROM was it. All the other ones there was something similar in direct competition...[/quoteccdf89491f]
I think you just don't like sony...[/quoteccdf89491f]

I just think you are a Sony fanboy. I really don't give a crap which format wins just as long as 1 destroys the other. It will really suck if you need to buy half your movies on 1 format and half on the other [iccdf89491f]and[/iccdf89491f] buy 2 players. All I'm saying is that just because Blu-Ray might sound better doesn't mean its going to win and that Sony isn't very good at these types of fights. The fact that Blu-Ray players are a lot more expensive is a big win for HD-DVD at launch...[/quoteccdf89491f]

Until one format destroys the other I'd suggest you just keep buying your movies on DVD like I'll be doing.

Yeah thats my plan. I read an article about hows this format war is bad for everyone, I'll try to find it. Its a good read because it really doesn't take sides but just explains how it sucks for the consumers and producers...

Taking sides so much when neither format is even out (some of you seem so emotionally vested lol) makes you a fan boy.

I think the PS3 will help Blu-ray out, just like the PS2 helped usher in DVDs in Japan. When it comes out, I doubt HD-DVD players will outnumber the PS3.

Blu-Ray is not much more proprietary than HD-DVD when it comes to fees, so that "Blu-Ray is proprietary so it sucks" is just a myth. HD-DVD player manufacturers will also have to pay licensing/royalty fees to Toshiba and its partners. Why do you think they didn't just settle and compromise on one standard? Significant money from royalty/licensing fees for both sides... just like DVD players today. That's the main problem, both sides are greedy. Did you really think Toshiba was going to allow people to use HD-DVD for FREE?

As for HD-DVD, it'll be cheaper for manufacturers to produce them, so that's a significant edge. They also say it has greater compatibility with current players, so I guess that means less modification will be needed to have DVD/HD-DVD players.

I hate Sony, they give poor support for their products. I used to buy a lot of their products but not anymore. In any case, I don't know and I don't really care who wins. I mean seriously, who really gives a shit? Just like XBOX 360 vs. PS3. I don't know why people are so for one or the other...

Right now I grab what HD movies I like and I just have to burn them on 1-4 DVDs which costs me around a buck, and I can play them with a PC going out to my TV. And regular plain DVDs still look pretty fucking amazing even on my 37" LCD TV, as long as they are mastered well. I don't think people will benefit much from either format until 1080p displays are common.

Oh and I read an article on TheInquirer talking about how the "PS3 will be 'late and full of bugs'".
http//www.theinquirer.net/?article=28656

[quote5c214c8f27="Wolfeman"]Yeah thats my plan. I read an article about hows this format war is bad for everyone, I'll try to find it. Its a good read because it really doesn't take sides but just explains how it sucks for the consumers and producers...[/quote5c214c8f27]
Not to keep ragging you, Wolfeman ), but when was competition ever bad for consumers? If you're talking about initial money invested by early adopters of the losing format, then you're dead wrong. In the American market (I assume that's the "everyone" that you're referencing) the collective "we" of businessmen, college professors, and market researchers know by experience, theory, and hard data that the greater the level of competition, the greater the value of products. Purchasing competiting products in a market that will go to one player is always a risk but that risk is a voluntary one. The entire buyers market isn't going to shutter their coffers until a sure winner is found; people are going to buy what they believe the winner will be and life will go on.

If Bluray and HD-DVD weren't competing then we might be stuck with a mediocre format and hardware prices would probably stay at a premium for a longer period of time. When a company's profit and livelihood are on the line those prices are going to fall faster and the company is going to be more fierce in attracting supporters. At least in America, this is a great example of capitalism at it's finest. I for one can't wait to see who wins!

The interesting thing is the tactics being used by each party
[u5c214c8f27]HD-DVD[/u5c214c8f27] is definitely going to trump Bluray in initial cost of hardware. The main advantage is that they will likely get to the price sweet-spot sooner where average customers are willing to part with their money and jump on the optical-HD bandwagon. If I had to guess I'd say that's around $200-$250.
[u5c214c8f27]Bluray[/u5c214c8f27], on the other hand, has one obvious thing going for it PS3. Love it or hate it, people are going to go and shell out top dollar for this device. The result the optical-HD buyers market will get flooded with a gaming system that can do Bluray out of the box. Their theory is that the customer's mind may look like this "Well, I can get an HD-DVD player or I can get an entire gaming system and a Bluray player all in one package." Most people probably don't think like this, although your little son or daughter will probably encourage you to buy Bluray's for your HDTV simply because the PS3 can play them by default. Also, keep in mind that not all HDTV owners are going to want a game console with their optical-HD media player. The downside, however, is that the president of Sony has already stated that he thinks people will be willing to get a second job to buy this thing. Based on that statement I'd be willing to guess that the PS3 is going to cost anywhere from $400-$700.

My point the only people hurt by competition are uncompetitive competitors.

Don't lecture me on economics. The fact of the matter is that competition isn't always a good thing and can lead to both formats doing really poorly. The reason CD-ROMs were so successful and thrived was because there was no competition and it was an obvious improvement over floppy discs. If you want a clear example of when this happened in the past look at Beta vs. VHS. Beta was a better technology but VHS obviously won and people that shelled out hundreds of dollars for Beta player were SOL. So because of the competition a lot of people won't adopt and a lot of people will be screwed. Also, so movies will be on Blu-Ray and some people will be HD-DVD which sucks because I don't want to buy 1 $800+ player let alone 2...

who wants to pick me up and take me to CES??

Its over. E3 is in 5 months )

[quotee75cafb1df="Wolfeman"]Its over. E3 is in 5 months )[/quotee75cafb1df]

POOP.

oh well. Wolfeman, wanna take me to E3?

Is one supposed to be higher quality than the other? What i've seen suggets that most of themovie studios and manufactuers are lined up on the blu-ray side

Its about half and half. Microsoft is on HD-DVDs side which is a pretty big partner...