Salvia

Not to be confused with saliva, salvia is a hallucinogen.

I'm interested in trying this (it IS legal, in most states), and was wondering if anyone else has tried it.

Our school does random drug testing, so since this is legal, in the chance I do get tested, I won't have to worry about it (the piss tests are shit anyway).

I've never done any other drug, so I don't really have any experience whatsoever.

Recommendations/advice?

My brother got a bunch of this stuff over in Scotland and he said it was amazing.

You can get 5x, 10x or 25x I believe and he tried the 10x. I believe the hit lasts maybe 5-10 minutes or so but I may be wrong. I also think it's advised to have someone who is not smoking it to be with you at the time, just incase.

From what I've read about it and heard though, it's meant to be amazing. If I was a smoker, I would try it.

ive done it before its pretty cool nothing to really get all worked up about though. and the high only last for a few minutes before you gotta do it again at least thats how it was for me

...

Yeah, from what I've heard it only lasts for 20 minutes at the most.

Our school's tests are garbage, I know kids that have smoked up to 2 days before the test and did not get caught.

"Random" my ass too (it's only for students in extra-curricular activities), KNOWN potheads get tested and they throw in a few random good kids. One black kid has been tested 3 times.

didnt know we had so many drug users in fipg ?

I haven't used it yet.

If you drink, you are also a drug user.

if you want to trip take acid or shrooms

i don't drink. Im not even 21....

Something about the thought of taking a lot of cough pills really bothers me. Robo-tripping and all that. I would personally advise against it. But that's just me.

Salvia...well, I've read a lot about it, so I can give you a few tips if you choose to do it. First, SMOKE IT IN A BOWL!!! I've heard this from numerous sources that this is the best way to do it. Keep the extract as hot as you can while smoking, and, obviously, keep it in as long as you can. Second, in response to TSJ, it seems to me that your friend didn't have a "breakthrough" with it. Basically, there's a point in smoking salvia that once you get past it, it's where it gets really interesting. If you don't get past that, it's really not that good. Third, since you don't smoke anything at all, go with an extract, and get a small extract, like 5X or 10X. After you get used to it, maybe then move up. Fourth, USE A SITTER!!! Have someone who's sober with you so they can take care of you, because it's possible that you'll lose a sense of where you are. One of the expieriences I heard about said that, unlike weed, your relation to baseline changes. With weed, you know that you're high, because there are things you can tell that are different while high. With salvia, you basically don't remember what being sober feels like, so your relation to what you normally are changes.

Overall, Salvia should be treated with the utmost care. It is NOT a party drug. Currently, it's still legal, but there is a move to schedule it and make it illegal, especially here in NY. Because it is chemically different from all other scheduled drugs, it's considered legal, and is usually sold at any head shop. You can also order it online. I've heard www.salviasupply.com is good for it. Tell us how your experience goes if you choose to do it.

P.S. The reason I know so much about it w/o ever having tried it is because I'm considering trying it. Unfortuantely, none of my really close friends are into drugs too much, so I might have to do it by myself or something. Hopefully not, but we'll see. Good luck.

So what if you aren't 21, neither am I, and I've still been drunk.

How old are you? I used to be really against drinking and all that but then I stopped caring and realized how fun it is.

The only thing with acid or shrooms is that I've heard it can really mess you up, as in permanently.

I've used it the shit sucks it only lasts for a couple seconds and you have to smoke alot of it

[quote48bb1d1e62="Allen626"]Standard drug tests do not pick it up
http//www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_testing.shtml

My friend has tried it, I was with him the first time he did it. He smoked a bowl and said it was slight effects but not worth the money, he then did it again some other time and he did not like it. When I asked him if he hallucinated he said his garage was talking to him, but it just was not a good high. He also said try DXM if you want to hallucinate. That is from cough pills, you have to take 2 bottles of pills to get a good trip in.[/quote48bb1d1e62]

corciden cough and cold... also known as "Triple C's" at my high school.

buy a pack and take anywhere from 8-16... i think its 16 to a pacl (also easy to jack)

and yes you do hallucinate... i was laying in a car looking at bushes.. and i swore that it was a giant catipillar

[quotef6dc431d37="PoPoJiJo"]I've used it the shit sucks it only lasts for a couple seconds and you have to smoke alot of it[/quotef6dc431d37]

That's not what I've heard.

as far as salvia...

get 10x... make sure to have a person watching you.. and also put that pipe in a bowl or sumthing as soon as ur done.. i didnt and i burnt my hand..

you get an out of body expierience.. and sometimes u just sit there and trip hard... it doesnt last long...

you can also use it like chewing tobacco and thats supposed to get you high also

Ahh I see the cookie dough is a code name for drugs. (Refering to avatar)

[quoteda36884b35="johnjimjones"]Ahh I see the cookie dough is a code name for drugs. (Refering to avatar)[/quoteda36884b35]

nah its from a family guy episode.. just like urs

Yeah I know, but I had to connect it to real life.

[quotedc87d85f25="tylerc"][quotedc87d85f25="PoPoJiJo"]I've used it the shit sucks it only lasts for a couple seconds and you have to smoke alot of it[/quotedc87d85f25]

That's not what I've heard.[/quotedc87d85f25]
umm well I've done it several times Have you?

this stuff seems interesting. im suprised i have never heard of it. i used to smoke and drink but havent for a while now.

CCC didnt make me trip back freshman year in high school. i just fell asleep.

[quote14ed809039="PoPoJiJo"][quote14ed809039="tylerc"][quote14ed809039="PoPoJiJo"]I've used it the shit sucks it only lasts for a couple seconds and you have to smoke alot of it[/quote14ed809039]

That's not what I've heard.[/quote14ed809039]
umm well I've done it several times Have you?[/quote14ed809039]

If you were able to read well you would see the first post of my thread

[quote14ed809039]I'm interested in trying this (it IS legal, in most states), and was wondering if anyone else has tried it. [/quote14ed809039]

I'm going off of what other people have told me, but perhaps the effect is different on different people.

[quote5003f7e422="tracemhunter"]this stuff seems interesting. im suprised i have never heard of it. i used to smoke and drink but havent for a while now.

CCC didnt make me trip back freshman year in high school. i just fell asleep.[/quote5003f7e422]
You haven't heard f it because it sucks if it was really all that great everyone would be doing it I would compare it to a whippit except its more visual then a whippit but it lasts about just as long if not shorter

[quotea0b95a4e56="tylerc"][quotea0b95a4e56="PoPoJiJo"][quotea0b95a4e56="tylerc"][quotea0b95a4e56="PoPoJiJo"]I've used it the shit sucks it only lasts for a couple seconds and you have to smoke alot of it[/quotea0b95a4e56]

That's not what I've heard.[/quotea0b95a4e56]
umm well I've done it several times Have you?[/quotea0b95a4e56]

If you were able to read well you would see the first post of my thread

[quotea0b95a4e56]I'm interested in trying this (it IS legal, in most states), and was wondering if anyone else has tried it. [/quotea0b95a4e56]

I'm going off of what other people have told me, but perhaps the effect is different on different people.[/quotea0b95a4e56]
that was sarcastic roll or your a highschooler and have highschool friends who exagerate everything like I was smoking this blunt man and I started seeing purple elephants and they were tap dancing....

No, my friend does not exaggerate like that.

But again, if you could read

[quoteefb60bdb46]Our school does random drug testing[/quoteefb60bdb46]

...

[quoteeab7c8f6f3="tylerc"]No, my friend does not exaggerate like that.

But again, if you could read

[quoteeab7c8f6f3]Our school does random drug testing[/quoteeab7c8f6f3][/quoteeab7c8f6f3]
alright whatever you asked I told you, so much for trying to be helpful, I'm glad you have a friend hold on to him, but again if you could read what does that have to do with anything it was an example it could of been about alcohol for all that it mattered....

I wasn't trying to be a dick or anything.

You said "you're probably a high schooler", and I quoted that because I figured the random drug testing would make it apparent that I am indeed a high schooler. No college, to my knowledge, does random drug testing.

no I said your a highschooler and have highschool friends

Drugs are bad....mmkay

technically, its not a drug. I have done it, and alot of my friends have. We did it in a garage with about 7 people, 5 people freaked out and will never do it again, and 2 didn't really feel anything. To do it, you have to get the salvia at a high heat, use a butaine lighter. I ripped it out of a huge bong and went crazy for about 15 minutes. One of my friends went and cried in his car, thats how bad his trip was. Its not for everyone, especially those not expirenced with drugs. I also think not everyone "trips" their first time, salvia is not like weed, you cant get used to it, i cant think of the word right now, but the trip gets worse and worse (or better and better, depending the way you look at it). If you plan to do it, read here http//www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Salvia_divinorum_Bad_Trips.shtml just to see what can possible happen to you. It sure is crazy...

[b7fd2e50fe9]drug[/b7fd2e50fe9] [i7fd2e50fe9]noun[/i7fd2e50fe9] A drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind.

... shrug

[quote098aead164="tylerc"]I haven't used it yet.

If you drink, you are also a drug user.[/quote098aead164]

If you are old enough to join the military, you are old enough to get smashed )

Right... and, if you're old enough to make poor choices, then you are old enough to deal with the consequences.

[quoteefa43d8466="shortys408"][quoteefa43d8466="tylerc"]I haven't used it yet.

If you drink, you are also a drug user.[/quoteefa43d8466]

If you are old enough to join the military, you are old enough to get smashed )[/quoteefa43d8466]

I agree, also, if you can give yourself cancer then you can get smashed.

Old enough to bleed... old enough to breed.
























WOAH WOAH WOAH!!!! This thread just took a nasty turn....

How exactly do you give yourself cancer?

HA, if there's grass on the field, play ball! P

[quoteb27bd689a1="theysayjump"]How exactly do you give yourself cancer?[/quoteb27bd689a1]

Smoking/chewing

Not saying you will automatically get it if you smoke, but you know what I mean.

[quote17252d2121="theysayjump"]How exactly do you give yourself cancer?[/quote17252d2121]

Masturbating furiously....


No, hold on.... that's hairy palms. Cancer is what you get when you swallow bubblegum.

[quotea326aec6f2="agroman"][quotea326aec6f2="theysayjump"]How exactly do you give yourself cancer?[/quotea326aec6f2]

Masturbating furiously....


No, hold on.... that's hairy palms. Cancer is what you get when you swallow bubblegum.[/quotea326aec6f2]

Actually furious masturbation causes blindness.

Checking for hair on your palms is the 1st sign of madness.

Not knowing the difference is senile dementia.

[quoted5b1606c3a="theysayjump"][quoted5b1606c3a="agroman"][quoted5b1606c3a="theysayjump"]How exactly do you give yourself cancer?[/quoted5b1606c3a]

Masturbating furiously....


No, hold on.... that's hairy palms. Cancer is what you get when you swallow bubblegum.[/quoted5b1606c3a]

Actually furious masturbation causes blindness.

Checking for hair on your palms is the 1st sign of madness.

Not knowing the difference is senile dementia.[/quoted5b1606c3a]

shock uh oh.

[quoteedaa61b06b="tylerc"]HA, if there's grass on the field, play ball! P[/quoteedaa61b06b]


and if there isn't, bend her over and play in the mud

So did you ever try this tyler? Sorry to bump an old thread, but I found this while searching for salvia to see if it has been discussed. A friend of mine is trying some 10x tonight.

While this thread has been bumped and just to add my 2 cents. I will say I don't condone or support it's use.

I've tried Salvia a few times, the first few times it was alright (though I was breaking a sweat for no apparent reason) and the high didn't last that long.

Then, after taking a break from it; I tried it again... My whole body tightened up and felt uncomfortable and I broke out into a massive sweat.

So, it may seem alright the first few times you try it.. But it can screw you up badly. This plant's main compound Salvidivorin-A is obviously a harmful toxin unlike Marijuana's TetraHydraCannabinol since we naturally have cannabinoid receptors in our brains that absorb THC.

It may sound a little hypocritical of me, but I think Salvia should be made illegal. (Australia has already done so).

I only say this for one reason, continued usage suffers 'potentially serious' consequences. There have been some serious reports from this drug, one being where a teenager smoked some 5x extract and he physically assaulted and bound the person that was supposed to sit for him.. Another incident where a user became hysterical around his peers and started inflicting harm to himself.

Now, I know this doesn't happen to everyone. I only suffered physical symptoms rather than psychological.. But the drug obviouslly has the potential to really screw with some user's minds and make them do things that are unrational and reckless; and in some cases this happens while the user is 'blacked out' from its usage.

I tried it, I just bought some the other day at a head shop, didn't really do anything. I felt kind of stoned for a few minutes, that's it.

salvia doesn't really appeal to me that much.

shrooms are the way to go man, not harmful either

[quote68cb0a1dcd="tylerc"]I tried it, I just bought some the other day at a head shop, didn't really do anything. I felt kind of stoned for a few minutes, that's it.[/quote68cb0a1dcd]

Stick to the Sticky.

http//www.hempcity.net/press/dutchgrowrooms/growroom4/image002.jpg[" alt=""/img68cb0a1dcd]

I wish I had a setup like that [img="68cb0a1dcd]http//forum.freeipodguide.com/smilies_mod/upload/dae9951f400225b51bf2bb33d35abb26.gif[" alt=""/img68cb0a1dcd]

[quote1efda8e924="geej86"]salvia doesn't really appeal to me that much.

shrooms are the way to go man, not harmful either[/quote1efda8e924]
Yessir

Damn h3x, that's a tasty pic....Have you heard of something called the phototron, my friend's going to get one, supposed to grow plants in less thatn 21 days shock

you guys are sick.

drugs? that is just plain disgusting.

The reason you broke out into a bad sweat is because whoever made your batch messed it up. The sweating comes from when the solvent used to extract the substance wasn't cooked away completely. Basically, it amounts to you smoking ammonia.

But, if the batch is made the right way, you can have some really cool trips on it. I tried it several times a few years ago and had great experiences with it.

It all depends on the batch and how you smoke it. It needs a higher flame temperature to activate the chemical, so you can't smoke it like you would weed. You have to hold the flame on it for the entire toke. Otherwise, it won't get hot enough to activate.

The extra heat, combined with the already harsh nature of it, makes it more difficult to hold than with pot.

Essentially, it takes a bit more effort to do it right. Get a better batch and smoke it the right way next time and it will do its job. Just don't go into it expecting a pot high. This is an entirely different beast.

[quotedde1efd9ef="PsychoAU"]The reason you broke out into a bad sweat is because whoever made your batch messed it up. The sweating comes from when the solvent used to extract the substance wasn't cooked away completely. Basically, it amounts to you smoking ammonia.

But, if the batch is made the right way, you can have some really cool trips on it. I tried it several times a few years ago and had great experiences with it.

It all depends on the batch and how you smoke it. It needs a higher flame temperature to activate the chemical, so you can't smoke it like you would weed. You have to hold the flame on it for the entire toke. Otherwise, it won't get hot enough to activate.

The extra heat, combined with the already harsh nature of it, makes it more difficult to hold than with pot.

Essentially, it takes a bit more effort to do it right. Get a better batch and smoke it the right way next time and it will do its job. Just don't go into it expecting a pot high. This is an entirely different beast.[/quotedde1efd9ef]

First off, I never expected it to be anything remotely like a 'pot high'. THC is a unique chemical compound and Salvinorin-A shares no resemblence to THC.

Second, I did use a torch lighter when consuming it... The first few times I tried it, it was dried leaf (no extracts).. Then when I stepped it up to 5x, I began experiencing excessive sweating and my body felt tense and uncomfortable. I was sweating on both occassions (leaf and 5x extract).. It's just the extract that gave me more severe symptoms.

I realize that everyone is unique in regards to how they react to chemicals. In my case, the stuff made me sweat a lot and when I stepped it up to the extracts, I sweat even more and began to feel tense. However, in general... Salvia Divinorum is a harmful drug that should be criminalized for the fact that it can completely twist a user's personality and demeanor and that can pose a serious threat to society and the user itself.

If you check Erowid's Salvia Divinorum Vault.. You will see the severity of it's effects in a lot of it's users...

Here's some excerpt from the "Experiences" section

[quotedde1efd9ef]I was at a friends house, lot of people there. I picked up the salvia 2 days before and tried it with minimal effects. This time I asked my one buddy to accompany me in the car while I did it. I get into my car and pack the bowl and start hitting it. After I was done, I went completely numb, I felt as though my body and brain were completely dead. I sat in this expierence for a couple minutes when the song that was playing in the car said 'step inside'.

Well that must have fired something off in my brain because seconds later I was desperately trying to pack the bowl with more salvia, I thought that if I smoked more I would be able to 'step inside'. First hit off the bowl and I was gone. It was like the first bowl just kept me on some plateau and the next hit blew me into space. I definitely got to step inside, but that wasn't a good thing. I was transported to some crazy place... and all I can imagine was a lady that was showing me something. I can't even put words to it b/c it was just like raw emotion. At this point I got extremely terrified. More scared then i've ever been in my life. I frantically wanted out of the car and to lay on the grass, i thought that was my only escape. Once I got out of the car, I completely changed.

Into a MADMAN.

I started laughing hysterically, not a fun laugh, but a very very evil laugh. I was kneeling in between my car and the car door. I started to swear and say horrible things. A pizza delivering boy was coming up the drive way and I kept talking about killing him. And killing people at the party. It was disgusting to say the least. After a while I went back into the car. I couldn't even control my head, it kept going back and forth and hitting the side of the car. Then I had to go to the grass again. I hit the grass and started to swear and spit. After a while it wore off and I was back to normal. To even try to explain a salvia trip is nearly impossible. I don't think there are words to describe what you feel. Anyway, that is the last time I'm going to do salvia in a loong time.[/quotedde1efd9ef]

http//www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Salvia_divinorum.shtml[]http//www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Salvia_divinorum.shtml

[quote6e7e7de5d3="tml09"]you guys are sick.

drugs? that is just plain disgusting.[/quote6e7e7de5d3]
+Karma for that

[quote1305e6b4fe="cwncool"][quote1305e6b4fe="tml09"]you guys are sick.

drugs? that is just plain disgusting.[/quote1305e6b4fe]
+Karma for that[/quote1305e6b4fe]
Well I feel the same way, but you don't see me just stepping in and threadcrapping... shrug

It kinda scares me that you know all of this about drugs, then again, it's better that you know what it does to your body then to screw with it.

[quote462d22f664="geej86"]salvia doesn't really appeal to me that much.

shrooms are the way to go man, not harmful either[/quote462d22f664]

i looove shrooms


also a good hallucinogen is absinthe, if you can get your hands on some of the real, good type mostly from eastern europe. You'll trip your balls off

Ive tried absinthe.....imported and got nothing but drunk of it. Even Europeans claim woodworm is not that strong of a hallucinogen.

Did Salvia the other night however.
My first time doing Salvia (over a year ago) I had a strong trip that I would say was a -2, -3 away from a shroom trip. I actually had a really good one. I was sliding down a slide in the sky as the sky's color flickered. Outsiders said I was laughing histarically the entire time. (This was either 15 or 20x)

The other night me and some freinds went to get some, when suprise the headshop significantly raised their prices. So we got 10x. I gave this stuff about 3 attempts that night, and one the following. Only during one of the attempts did I get a litterally 30 second trip. The rest was all sweat. My buddies though got wack off of every hit they took. So it might of been me.

Shrooms are the way to go. Primarily cheap for the trip legnth (not as cheap as cid though), and much more enjoyable experience. They are also not tested for on a standard test. The only problem is they are a bitch to get.

Shrooms > Weed > Salvia.

salvia is a weird trip, and like you h3x, when I did it my body broke out into a sweat both times and it was extremely hot in the room.

Except my trip was weird I had to do all sorts of things to try to get back to the room I was in.. weird

Porn.. My anti-drug.

[quotecb865f0363="MyungChunHa"][quotecb865f0363="geej86"]salvia doesn't really appeal to me that much.

shrooms are the way to go man, not harmful either[/quotecb865f0363]
Yessir

Damn h3x, that's a tasty pic....Have you heard of something called the phototron, my friend's going to get one, supposed to grow plants in less thatn 21 days shock[/quotecb865f0363]

Yeah, Phototrons are advertised in High Times magazine and have been since High Times has been around.

They are basically an enclosure with fluorescent tubes all along the edges.. It may grow regular plants in less than 21 days.. But keep in mind, that marijuana has a vegetative phase and a flowering phase.

There are 3 different 'species' of marijuana... Cannabis Sativa, Cannabis Indica, and Cannabis Ruderalis..

If he's going to be using an enclosure like a Phototron.. He should use a strain that has Cannabis Ruderalis in it.. I recommend the LowRyder.. This strain is compact and it auto-flowers (automatically flowers regardless of light cycle, thus eliminating the timer all together).. You can go from seed to weed with LowRyder in 60 days.

Though, I highly recommend that he doesn't get a Phototron and instead uses that money to buy a 400W (or 600W) Metal Halide (or HPS) light system and set up a closet grow.. He'll get more yield for $

In which case, I don't recommend the LowRyder... Go with a good strain.

I'm more than happy to assist your friend in picking out the right medicine for him.

... or is your friend, actually you? (don't worry.. I won't tell ;))

[quote8fed790153="h3x"]Yeah, Phototrons are advertised in High Times magazine and have been since High Times has been around.

They are basically an enclosure with fluorescent tubes all along the edges.. It may grow regular plants in less than 21 days.. But keep in mind, that marijuana has a vegetative phase and a flowering phase.

There are 3 different 'species' of marijuana... Cannabis Sativa, Cannabis Indica, and Cannabis Ruderalis..

If he's going to be using an enclosure like a Phototron.. He should use a strain that has Cannabis Ruderalis in it.. I recommend the LowRyder.. This strain is compact and it auto-flowers (automatically flowers regardless of light cycle, thus eliminating the timer all together).. You can go from seed to weed with LowRyder in 60 days.

Though, I highly recommend that he doesn't get a Phototron and instead uses that money to buy a 400W (or 600W) Metal Halide (or HPS) light system and set up a closet grow.. He'll get more yield for $

In which case, I don't recommend the LowRyder... Go with a good strain.

I'm more than happy to assist your friend in picking out the right medicine for him.

[b8fed790153]... or is your friend, actually you?[/b8fed790153] (don't worry.. I won't tell ;))[/quote8fed790153]
lol Nah, nah, nah...I wish I could grow, but right now I have to worry about parents....

Anyways, I'm not sure if he knows about Metal Halide or anything but I think he just wants to get his harvest quickly and conviently...He knows that the Phototron is the best way to go but I'm not sure if he has the room or the patience to make a whole set-up (isn't it hard and bulky?)...Plus I think he wants to experiment with different ways and this seems like a great way to start...

[quotefee23017c1="MyungChunHa"][quotefee23017c1="h3x"]Yeah, Phototrons are advertised in High Times magazine and have been since High Times has been around.

They are basically an enclosure with fluorescent tubes all along the edges.. It may grow regular plants in less than 21 days.. But keep in mind, that marijuana has a vegetative phase and a flowering phase.

There are 3 different 'species' of marijuana... Cannabis Sativa, Cannabis Indica, and Cannabis Ruderalis..

If he's going to be using an enclosure like a Phototron.. He should use a strain that has Cannabis Ruderalis in it.. I recommend the LowRyder.. This strain is compact and it auto-flowers (automatically flowers regardless of light cycle, thus eliminating the timer all together).. You can go from seed to weed with LowRyder in 60 days.

Though, I highly recommend that he doesn't get a Phototron and instead uses that money to buy a 400W (or 600W) Metal Halide (or HPS) light system and set up a closet grow.. He'll get more yield for $

In which case, I don't recommend the LowRyder... Go with a good strain.

I'm more than happy to assist your friend in picking out the right medicine for him.

[bfee23017c1]... or is your friend, actually you?[/bfee23017c1] (don't worry.. I won't tell ;))[/quotefee23017c1]
lol Nah, nah, nah...I wish I could grow, but right now I have to worry about parents....

Anyways, I'm not sure if he knows about Metal Halide or anything but I think he just wants to get his harvest quickly and conviently...He knows that the Phototron is the best way to go but I'm not sure if he has the room or the patience to make a whole set-up (isn't it hard and bulky?)...Plus I think he wants to experiment with different ways and this seems like a great way to start...[/quotefee23017c1]

Well, his harvest won't be any 'quicker' but I suppose it is more convenient for the novice since it's enclosed.. However there are drawbacks... 1) The cost. Those fuckers are expensive and just not worth it in the end figuring how much medicine you could grow if you used a MH system that costs half the price in not only the unit itself but the electricity (You need to figure it based on gpW [grams of medicine per watt of electricity]). You will yield more gpW using a MH/HPS setup than a Fluorescent setup. 2) You're strictly limited to 1 plant. More plants = More yield. Even if you keep it to strictly 3 plants.. With an HID, you could yield 1/4 - 1/2 pound of medicine per plant compared to 1-2 ounces of medicine per plant with a fluorescent setup.

So I'd recommend your friend goes with an HID type lighting and simply grows in his closet... It's not as hard as it sounds.

Hmmm, I'm going to let him know about that, he should like the idea since your telling me that it's not really that hard....

[quote07982932cb="midnightgt"]Shrooms > Weed > Salvia.[/quote07982932cb]
Actually it goes Weed > Shrooms > Salvia....Only for the fact that Shrooms are so hard to get and you usually have to wait a while to do them again because you tolerance will shoot up tremedously after one trip....

I've never done any drugs, but I thought these videos of people doing salvia were interesting. I found them when this thread was started

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(watch the [be171cfa3e3]Salvia Trip Movie - Rodeo[/be171cfa3e3], it's hilarious)

Thought i'd throw in my 2 cents..... i have smoked salvia quite a bit and have about 8 grams of the 20x at my house right now.... havent done it in a while, its more of a boredom thing. First, u HAVE to use a butane lighter to get the combustion temperature higher, and i would HIGHLY suggest you use a water bong and not a pipe or regular bong. If done correctly the shit is pretty ammazing for about 10 minutes..... starts our with constant laughter until your cryin from laughin so hard then shit gets real crazy.... ive been on stage at a concert, stuck to a park bench, on a ship with my boy bein the captain.... one time the whole room fuckin enveloped in on itself. Anyway, the point is you should at least try it once if ur into hallucinating kuz its pretty amazing, and i suggest 20x... later