Downtime Explanation
Admin
19-11-2005 23:33:32
Well, goofygarber decided it'd be a really cool idea to try out some script kiddie exploits on FiPG. He gained access to Fugger's account and gave himself moderator rank images (but no actual moderator powers).
Fugger's account is now disabled until I can get in touch with him.
goofy has earned himself a three day ban. I'm still deliberating as to whether or not to make it perm.
The upside of this is that it was a great reason to patch phpBB2 up to the latest version. We're now fully running 2.0.18, whereas before we were running a hodgepodge of .14/.15/.16. This should make future upgrades easier.
Please report any errata in this thread, or send me a PM!
Edit looks like there was some database optimization code in there. we seem to be running about 10x faster than before, which is awesome!
That's interesting.
A little while ago someone got banned for creating a fake login page to steal someones passwords...and they were going for anyones, not just a mod's.
So I'm wondering why stealing a mods passwords and running scripts against the board would only get him a temp-ban.
I wonder what else he could have fucked up while he was messing with crap. And all of this to fix that little void in his heart he has about not having any power in this board.
And again, I'm just wondering, no one really has to answer me.
Ya perm ban him, he didnt contribute much anyway
agroman
19-11-2005 23:45:43
Oooh yeah, there was a pretty nasty cookie exploit for phpBB pre-version 2.0.11 IIRC. Allowed anyone to get admin access by changing their UID which was passed in the cookie (DOH!)
Allen626
19-11-2005 23:45:53
Goofygarber did it? That is crazy, come on man(goofy)!!!
Admin
19-11-2005 23:47:58
[quoted88528c95f="agroman"]Oooh yeah, there was a pretty nasty cookie exploit for phpBB pre-version 2.0.11 IIRC. Allowed anyone to get admin access by changing their UID which was passed in the cookie (DOH!)[/quoted88528c95f]
nah, this was a much newer exploit.
tracemhunter
19-11-2005 23:49:05
uh huh heh! </goofy disney voice>
perm ban him
agroman
19-11-2005 23:49:14
What was the method; SQL injection?
Strike
19-11-2005 23:53:41
But hey! At least, it showed the importance of upgrading
agroman
19-11-2005 23:56:03
yeah, most phpbb ugrades are security fixes anyway. It's not like they've introduced any new revolutionary features in the past few point releases.
don't permban! im still in TR with the guy
johnjimjones
19-11-2005 23:56:46
That sorta seems unlike him to go that far to do something that stupid. Oh well.
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[quote0948019534="agroman"]What was the method; SQL injection?[/quote0948019534]
ban this guy too.. he knows too much lol
[quote0515bf69e3="aguy"][quote0515bf69e3="agroman"]What was the method; SQL injection?[/quote0515bf69e3]
ban this guy too.. he knows too much lol[/quote0515bf69e3]
There is a difference between a hacker and a cracker... A hacker wouldn't do shit like this, we don't take down webpages and wreak havoc on computer systems... A cracker would..
Hackers = Security Enthusiasts
Crackers = Criminals
Just putting my 2 cents in.
Archon810
20-11-2005 00:16:32
[quote08af6b90f8="aguy"][quote08af6b90f8="agroman"]What was the method; SQL injection?[/quote08af6b90f8]
ban this guy too.. he knows too much lol[/quote08af6b90f8]
ban aguy as well, he jokes too much (a lot of times quite harshly, but always saying 'lol' or 'jk').
Admin
20-11-2005 00:18:59
I'm going to take this opportunity to upgrade a few other components. I'll leave the board online for this but expect a little bit of errata in the next hour or so.
[quotee75034975c="Archon810"][quotee75034975c="aguy"][quotee75034975c="agroman"]What was the method; SQL injection?[/quotee75034975c]
ban this guy too.. he knows too much lol[/quotee75034975c]
ban aguy as well, he jokes too much (a lot of times quite harshly, but always saying 'lol' or 'jk').[/quotee75034975c]
Hey fuck you [be75034975c]JK?[/sizee75034975c][/be75034975c]
theysayjump
20-11-2005 00:24:10
[quotec2989a3f2b="aguy"][quotec2989a3f2b="agroman"]What was the method; SQL injection?[/quotec2989a3f2b]
ban this guy too.. he knows too much lol[/quotec2989a3f2b]
lol
I think it should be a permanent ban. That was out of order and on the same scale as the people stealing peoples passwords the other night.
The sad thing is the fact that he made himself a mod, or at least he thought did roll
agroman
20-11-2005 00:30:16
Shit. I'm on a roll tonight, boys. http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=26800
mr_black
20-11-2005 00:40:20
Did you ever stop to think this might have anything to do with the stealing of passwords the other night?? maybe some1 used his account as a cover. just my 2cents
dammit.. my trade is gonna get fucked and ill be out short of $30 evil
Fugger
20-11-2005 00:45:35
I say we string him up from his toes and hang him there till he bleeds through his nose.
[quote18c99abc3b="Fugger"]I say we string him up from his toes and hang him there till he bleeds through his nose.[/quote18c99abc3b]
man i have the best comment to that... pretty racist though.. you could imagine.
Airkat
20-11-2005 00:52:55
haha will it ever end?
theysayjump
20-11-2005 01:00:29
[quotee67837dbdb="mr_black"]Did you ever stop to think this might have anything to do with the stealing of passwords the other night?? maybe some1 used his account as a cover. just my 2cents[/quotee67837dbdb]
He was making the same pointless posts so no, there's no way it could have been anyone else.
hehehhehe
20-11-2005 01:21:08
[quote3899b00231="theysayjump"]He was making the same pointless posts so no, there's no way it could have been anyone else.[/quote3899b00231]
lol
I also say perm-ban him. I've had enough of his bs and his sig links that raise his karma or lower someone else's.
Admin
20-11-2005 01:35:32
The rest of the updates are complete. This is all 'under the hood' stuff so you guys shouldn't really notice any difference (except the speed boost).
halfbreed
20-11-2005 01:42:14
Bring him back so we can flame him.
Bring him back so I can my $30 (why take it out on me?) lol
shamash
20-11-2005 02:22:32
I like Goofy. I doubt he was trying to do anything wrong.. he was just messing around, and wouldn't try to ruin anything.
Retro
20-11-2005 05:20:03
[quoteb3d0019d49="h3x"]Bring him back so I can my $30 (why take it out on me?) lol[/quoteb3d0019d49]
Did he sign up to your site yet? Email or I'm him. And if you don't get a green or your money back, just file a paypal dispute and direct them to this thread?
Automag389
20-11-2005 07:05:59
[quote619c580a55="h3x"][quote619c580a55="aguy"][quote619c580a55="agroman"]What was the method; SQL injection?[/quote619c580a55]
ban this guy too.. he knows too much lol[/quote619c580a55]
There is a difference between a hacker and a cracker... A hacker wouldn't do shit like this, we don't take down webpages and wreak havoc on computer systems... A cracker would..
Hackers = Security Enthusiasts
Crackers = Criminals
Just putting my 2 cents in.[/quote619c580a55]
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around... on AOL commercials they say their software defends users against hackers, not crackers. And pretty much any AV software claims that they block out hackers.
Allen626
20-11-2005 08:30:58
[quote0dcbe8600f="Automag389"][quote0dcbe8600f="h3x"][quote0dcbe8600f="aguy"][quote0dcbe8600f="agroman"]What was the method; SQL injection?[/quote0dcbe8600f]
ban this guy too.. he knows too much lol[/quote0dcbe8600f]
There is a difference between a hacker and a cracker... A hacker wouldn't do shit like this, we don't take down webpages and wreak havoc on computer systems... A cracker would..
Hackers = Security Enthusiasts
Crackers = Criminals
Just putting my 2 cents in.[/quote0dcbe8600f]
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around... on AOL commercials they say their software defends users against hackers, not crackers. And pretty much any AV software claims that they block out hackers.[/quote0dcbe8600f]
They are wrong, that is right. It is kind of a thing you only know if you have been in that community, or research it. I rarely say cracker, I almost always use hacker regardless.
kevxross
20-11-2005 08:38:37
It's a shame that if you ban him he's just gonna become one of those annoying shadow lurchers licoughliwoodlicoughli because he's too attached to this community. FIPG has become a part of his life and post count one of his highest goals.
He'll probably even start trying to scam people using new aliases just because he's got nothin to lose now..
Ah well, ban the fool.
Allen626
20-11-2005 09:22:26
He said he just tried out some exploit he found and changed his icon to the orange ipods. That is all, and that the admin shut down the forums. Maybe it caused some more problems that he does not know about, but that is all he said he did.
He also says he will pay for the trades regardless of a ban. And that he wont come back with a new account and lurk.
[quote749a5b221f]
[1117] taylorwilsdon Hey
[1117] Aarrggimapirate sup
[1118] taylorwilsdon Nothing much
[1118] taylorwilsdon damn admin skewed that shit
[1118] taylorwilsdon all I did was log in and change my rank images (
[1118] Aarrggimapirate rofl
[1118] Aarrggimapirate how did you bring it down?
[1118] taylorwilsdon I didn't
[1118] taylorwilsdon I didn't touch teh site, that was all the admin
[1118] taylorwilsdon the only single thing I did was log into the admin panel and give myself the "moderator images"
[1118] taylorwilsdon the yellow ipods
[1119] taylorwilsdon so fight for me (
[1119] Aarrggimapirate kik
[1119] Aarrggimapirate lol
[1119] taylorwilsdon plz )
[1119] Aarrggimapirate what was the exploit?
[1119] Aarrggimapirate just a little program?
[1119] taylorwilsdon it was just a thing that showed a page
[1119] taylorwilsdon I was only seing if it worked
[1119] taylorwilsdon but I was like hell, yay )
[1120] Aarrggimapirate so it was just a redirect?
[1120] Aarrggimapirate or like a program
[1120] taylorwilsdon program, I guess
[1120] taylorwilsdon it used the live http headers
[1120] taylorwilsdon cna you just go into the thread and say that its way exaggerated and it wasn't me (
[1121] Aarrggimapirate but you did do it
[1121] taylorwilsdon i didn't cuase any problems
[1121] taylorwilsdon i didnt cuase downtime ect
[1121] taylorwilsdon that was all his fault, leaving it exploitable
[1121] taylorwilsdon at least address the people syaing i'm going to scam people and whatnot
[1121] taylorwilsdon I'll pay for any trades even if I'm banned
[1122] taylorwilsdon and I'm not coming back until admin admits that I wasn't hte source of the problem
[1123] Aarrggimapirate ill just post this aim log
[1123] Aarrggimapirate k>
[1123] Aarrggimapirate ?
[1123] taylorwilsdon thatsw fine[/quote749a5b221f]
theysayjump
20-11-2005 09:27:56
Goofygarber jacked fuggers account and made himself look like a mod. In turn the Admin shut the site down so he could take care of it and upgrade the system.
Nobody has said he is a scammer and the Admin never said it was gooofy who caused the downtime.
Technically, he was the reason why the admin had to shut down the boards.
If he wasn't so obsessed with the boards, he wouldn't have done something as rediculous as stealing a password JUST to change the little images under his name. I mean, did he win a jackpot by doing that? ;)
shamash
20-11-2005 10:06:23
Veek, buddy, Admin shut down the boards to fix a loophole that Goofy pointed out by doing this. Goofy wasn't being malicious, he was just having fun, and helped point something out in doing it.
[quote5e9e7ae1fb="shamash"]Veek, buddy, Admin shut down the boards to fix a loophole that Goofy pointed out by doing this. Goofy wasn't being malicious, he was just having fun, and helped point something out in doing it.[/quote5e9e7ae1fb]
No, I understand what happened. Granted the Admin did fix it when Goofy did what he did, it still doesn't justify him running scripts on the board, stealing someones password, just so he can pretend to be a mod. I mean, seriously.
phorty
20-11-2005 10:22:48
this is just another verification of my theory that the next great world war will be fought over yellow ipod images.
and yes , crackers are malicious not hackers.
shamash
20-11-2005 10:31:30
Okay, he didn't use scripts, he actually used a very smiple method, and wouldn't you rather someone do it without doing anything bad, then fucking stuff up?
theysayjump
20-11-2005 10:33:32
[quote63d28e60e6="shamash"]Veek, buddy, Admin shut down the boards to fix a loophole that Goofy pointed out by doing this. Goofy wasn't being malicious, he was just having fun, and helped point something out in doing it.[/quote63d28e60e6]
Surely a simple IM/PM/E-mail could have done the trick?
It's OK to have fun and run a script on the site, steal a Mods password and change your user title to make yourself look like a mod.
shamash
20-11-2005 10:36:15
I can name many worse things he could have done.
theysayjump
20-11-2005 10:40:13
I know he could have, but that's not the point. Should he really be commended for this? No I don't think so.
If he had simply told the Admin the "exploit" then he would be more than welcome to commendation.
shamash
20-11-2005 10:43:17
I'm not commending his actions, I just don't think he deserves to be attacked by all of these people.
[quote79f99f6528="shamash"]
Okay, he didn't use scripts, he actually used a very smiple method, and wouldn't you rather someone do it without doing anything bad, then fucking stuff up?
[/quote79f99f6528]
Actually, I'd rather have no one do anything to the boards other than the Admin and real mods, just the way it should be.
[quote79f99f6528="shamash"]I can name many worse things he could have done.[/quote79f99f6528]
Well I'm thinking it's a good thing he didn't, even if his intention was not to. These aren't HIS boards, he shouldn't be sticking his stupidity where it doesn't belong. wink
damac
20-11-2005 11:07:46
wow, i would go after somebody that fucked with my business admin. doesn't matter if it was a joke or not, some things you just do not do. i would find out where he lives and make his life hell, send him a bill for the downtime, etc.
shamash
20-11-2005 11:09:38
[quote7fe72dde18="theysayjump"].....Admin shut the site down so he could take care of it and upgrade the system.....
.....Admin never said it was gooofy who caused the downtime.[/quote7fe72dde18]
phorty
20-11-2005 11:13:35
i think he should be allowed back in after a certain while.
no harm. no foul.
Blink182=Gone
20-11-2005 11:14:35
[quote3f7468a4d7="phorty"]i think he should be allowed back in after a certain while.
[b3f7468a4d7]no harm. no fowl.[/b3f7468a4d7][/quote3f7468a4d7]
I like duck.
phorty
20-11-2005 11:15:27
lol. too much lit on the brain. take it up with milton and dante.
shamash
20-11-2005 11:15:50
mm mmmm tofurkey
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 11:22:56
I haven't been here as long as some others but I feel like if he was using exploits on the site, he shouldn't be allowed back. I hate script kiddies and I think anyone that would use one of those scripts on a forum they really like is just dumb. I mean did he think we'd all be happy and just let it slide?
Daggoth
20-11-2005 11:30:59
He could have done more harm then he did but decided not too. If he did not exploit the bug, someone who is more malicious would have done it and cause alot of harm. I don't think it is worth banning one of the most active users if he cause a few hours of downtime. I mean, think about it, you are banning a person with 2000+ posts that has helped many users for a few hours of your downtime. Is a few hours really worth losing a valuable member? Hypothetically, if someone more important exploited the bug, such as a moderator, would you want them permantly banned for it? No, so why should it be any different for a loyal member to FIG. I mean its not that hard for him to just leave and go to A4F and start over there, he actually likes this community more than there. I think we at least owe it to him to give him a second chance, doesn't he deserve it?
shamash
20-11-2005 11:32:11
[quote8f9f79f9b7="shamash"][quote8f9f79f9b7="theysayjump"].....Admin shut the site down so he could take care of it and upgrade the system.....
.....Admin never said it was gooofy who caused the downtime.[/quote8f9f79f9b7][/quote8f9f79f9b7]
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 11:38:04
Its not about who caused the downtime, thats not the point. Other very active users have been banned (2 in the top 10 posters) so I don't see that being a big deal either. The fact that he only exploited a little and didn't ruin the site doesn't change my mind. If goofy had 25 posts would there even be a conversation about perma-ban?
[quote7c5e796129="Wolfeman"]Its not about who caused the downtime, thats not the point. Other very active users have been banned (2 in the top 10 posters) so I don't see that being a big deal either. The fact that he only exploited a little and didn't ruin the site doesn't change my mind. If goofy had 25 posts would there even be a conversation about perma-ban?[/quote7c5e796129]
You're bringing up good points.
shamash
20-11-2005 11:42:28
The active members who got banned were trying to, IE Collateral, defying as many rules as he could, and pissing mods off as much as he could, and Wood, for obvious reasons.
theysayjump
20-11-2005 11:44:26
[quote1813124964="shamash"][quote1813124964="shamash"][quote1813124964="theysayjump"].....Admin shut the site down so he could take care of it and upgrade the system.....
.....Admin never said it was gooofy who caused the downtime.[/quote1813124964][/quote1813124964][/quote1813124964]
I fail to see your point here.
After finding out what was going on, the Admin shut the site down to take care of it and upgrade the system/forum.
He also didn't say anything about Goofy causing the downtime, he just said that the result of what Goofy did, was him deciding to upgrade the system/forum.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 11:47:57
[quoted368fdd61e="shamash"]The active members who got banned were trying to, IE Collateral, defying as many rules as he could, and pissing mods off as much as he could, and Wood, for obvious reasons.[/quoted368fdd61e]
Its not like goofy was intentionally trying to get himself banned like those two.
[quote2a918523ca="Daggoth"][quote2a918523ca="shamash"]The active members who got banned were trying to, IE Collateral, defying as many rules as he could, and pissing mods off as much as he could, and Wood, for obvious reasons.[/quote2a918523ca]
Its not like goofy was intentionally trying to get himself banned like those two.[/quote2a918523ca]
He can't be that stupid. If it was me, or pretty much anyone in this forum, I would have known that what I was doing would get me banned. You don't really "try" to get yourself banned, you just do it. And he did.
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 11:54:38
He knows this forum and he knows that people get banned for a lot less than this...
I still say give him ONE chance... any more fuck ups.. then I'll give you permission to perm-ban twisted
shamash
20-11-2005 13:23:25
Well he only got a 3day ban. Just because people don't like you doesn't mean you get a perma-ban. It's Admin's forum.
EBPIsMaR
20-11-2005 13:40:53
goofy is gangsta...
Daggoth
20-11-2005 13:57:46
[quoteed9508ddc7="h3x"]I still say give him ONE chance... any more fuck ups.. then I'll give you permission to perm-ban twisted[/quoteed9508ddc7]
Ya, you will give permission to ban someone. Uh huh. Who died and made you boss?
Just being sarcastic on a side not, don't take offense
Admin
20-11-2005 14:04:15
right now i'm leaning more towards permaban but i'm willing to hear well reasoned arguments to the contrary...
hkartadi
20-11-2005 14:10:56
I think you should consider people who still has trade with him.
Like me.... he still yellow on my site.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 14:11:55
1. Everyone deserves a second chance
2. It was unintentional damage
3. The downtime was for only a few hours
4. He is a big contributer to the forums
5. The damage was very little of what could have been done
6. You needed to upgrade the forums anyway
Daggoth
20-11-2005 14:13:28
[quotea1ddad738f="Allen626"]He said he just tried out some exploit he found and changed his icon to the orange ipods. That is all, and that the admin shut down the forums. Maybe it caused some more problems that he does not know about, but that is all he said he did.
He also says he will pay for the trades regardless of a ban. And that he wont come back with a new account and lurk.
[quotea1ddad738f]
[1117] taylorwilsdon Hey
[1117] Aarrggimapirate sup
[1118] taylorwilsdon Nothing much
[1118] taylorwilsdon damn admin skewed that shit
[1118] taylorwilsdon all I did was log in and change my rank images (
[1118] Aarrggimapirate rofl
[1118] Aarrggimapirate how did you bring it down?
[1118] taylorwilsdon I didn't
[1118] taylorwilsdon I didn't touch teh site, that was all the admin
[1118] taylorwilsdon the only single thing I did was log into the admin panel and give myself the "moderator images"
[1118] taylorwilsdon the yellow ipods
[1119] taylorwilsdon so fight for me (
[1119] Aarrggimapirate kik
[1119] Aarrggimapirate lol
[1119] taylorwilsdon plz )
[1119] Aarrggimapirate what was the exploit?
[1119] Aarrggimapirate just a little program?
[1119] taylorwilsdon it was just a thing that showed a page
[1119] taylorwilsdon I was only seing if it worked
[1119] taylorwilsdon but I was like hell, yay )
[1120] Aarrggimapirate so it was just a redirect?
[1120] Aarrggimapirate or like a program
[1120] taylorwilsdon program, I guess
[1120] taylorwilsdon it used the live http headers
[1120] taylorwilsdon cna you just go into the thread and say that its way exaggerated and it wasn't me (
[1121] Aarrggimapirate but you did do it
[1121] taylorwilsdon i didn't cuase any problems
[1121] taylorwilsdon i didnt cuase downtime ect
[1121] taylorwilsdon that was all his fault, leaving it exploitable
[1121] taylorwilsdon at least address the people syaing i'm going to scam people and whatnot
[ba1ddad738f][1121] taylorwilsdon I'll pay for any trades even if I'm banned[/ba1ddad738f]
[1122] taylorwilsdon and I'm not coming back until admin admits that I wasn't hte source of the problem
[1123] Aarrggimapirate ill just post this aim log
[1123] Aarrggimapirate k>
[1123] Aarrggimapirate ?
[1123] taylorwilsdon thatsw fine[/quotea1ddad738f][/quotea1ddad738f]
[quote74a64d1a80="Daggoth"]1. Everyone deserves a second chance
2. It was unintentional damage
3. The downtime was for only a few hours
4. He is a big contributer to the forums
5. The damage was very little of what could have been done
6. You needed to upgrade the forums anyway[/quote74a64d1a80]
1. Anyone who runs a stupid script on the boards, to gain access to a mods account and give himself cute little "mod" images should be banned. No questions asked.
2. The damange was intentional and he knew what he was doing.
3. The downtime was not a very long while, but still wouldn't have happened if he wouldn't have put his foot in.
4. Nor I, and a couple of people who've mentioned his stupidity, have never seen him really contribute anything. He answered a couple of questions here and there, but not before making fun of the person asking, and/or acting as if he owns this place.
5. He could have had done more damages to the board. Pointing out that he "could have" done more damage doesn't justify him getting in to where he doesn't belong in the first place.
6. Goofy could have PM'ed the Admin, or any mod, to let them know that such a loophole existed, instead of going in there fucking up things and letting the Admin know the hard way.
7. I'm eating vanilla ice cream. wink
Daggoth
20-11-2005 14:23:49
[quote63c0bc497f="Veek"][quote63c0bc497f="Daggoth"]1. Everyone deserves a second chance
2. It was unintentional damage
3. The downtime was for only a few hours
4. He is a big contributer to the forums
5. The damage was very little of what could have been done
6. You needed to upgrade the forums anyway[/quote63c0bc497f]
1. Anyone who runs a stupid script on the boards, to gain access to a mods account and give himself cute little "mod" images should be banned. No questions asked.
2. The damange was intentional and he knew what he was doing.
3. The downtime was not a very long while, but still wouldn't have happened if he wouldn't have put his foot in.
4. Nor I, and a couple of people who've mentioned his stupidity, have never seen him really contribute anything. He answered a couple of questions here and there, but not before making fun of the person asking, and/or acting as if he owns this place.
5. He could have had done more damages to the board. Pointing out that he "could have" done more damage doesn't justify him getting in to where he doesn't belong in the first place.
6. Goofy could have PM'ed the Admin, or any mod, to let them know that such a loophole existed, instead of going in there fucking up things and letting the Admin know the hard way.
7. I'm eating vanilla ice cream. wink[/quote63c0bc497f]
1. Why? So far, most people who have been banned have received a warning. Another thing, there was little to no damage done.
2. What damage? He gave himself a cool avatar. Wow that was unbelievable damage.
3. So your saying that two hours of your time is worth banning a person from this forum?
4. He helped me when I was new here, probably one of the reasons I stayed. I don't know if I was just unique, but he has helped people and his stupidity is just for laughs, just like his avatar change.
5. So you would rather have someone else come along and shut down the forums for a month?
6. Ya sure, giving himself a mod avatar totally screwed up everything and was the end of the forum. Everyone deserves to have some fun if such little harm is down, just like pranks.
[quote4c09224433="Daggoth"]
1. Why? So far, most people who have been banned have received a warning. Another thing, there was little to no damage done.
2. What damage? He gave himself a cool avatar. Wow that was unbelievable damage.
3. So your saying that two hours of your time is worth banning a person from this forum?
4. He helped me when I was new here, probably one of the reasons I stayed. I don't know if I was just unique, but he has helped people and his stupidity is just for laughs, just like his avatar change.
5. So you would rather have someone else come along and shut down the forums for a month?
6. Ya sure, giving himself a mod avatar totally screwed up everything and was the end of the forum. Everyone deserves to have some fun if such little harm is down, just like pranks.[/quote4c09224433]
You don't get warnings for stuff like this. You just DON'T go into a forum messing with things that don't have anything to do with him.
Like TJS said, if he wanted the little images, he could have contact him and he might have done it. He didn't have to go fucking with things himself. It's not his to fuck with. Period.
I'm happy to hear that he actually helped someone and that person decided to stick around. But comparing one person to the others I've seen him insult, act stupid with and all the little annoying things he's said to people doesn't really go hand in hand.
To answer you, No. As I said before, I'd rather have no one messing with the forums at all. It's none of his business, and he could have done more damages. How do you know he wasn't going off clicking stuff and trying to figure out how to get access to other things?
"Ya sure, giving himself a mod avatar totally screwed up everything and was the end of the forum. Everyone deserves to have some fun if such little harm is down, just like pranks."
I'm not sure how to answer that since it just seems like a contraction so I'll just say that my vote for his perm-ban stays. He can go ride a bike or get out of his house for a while. Find a hobby. I don't see how getting into someone elses forums, stealing a mod's password is any fun.
Good dabate. lol wink
Daggoth
20-11-2005 14:43:23
[quoteca1276452c="Veek"][quoteca1276452c="Daggoth"]
1. Why? So far, most people who have been banned have received a warning. Another thing, there was little to no damage done.
2. What damage? He gave himself a cool avatar. Wow that was unbelievable damage.
3. So your saying that two hours of your time is worth banning a person from this forum?
4. He helped me when I was new here, probably one of the reasons I stayed. I don't know if I was just unique, but he has helped people and his stupidity is just for laughs, just like his avatar change.
5. So you would rather have someone else come along and shut down the forums for a month?
6. Ya sure, giving himself a mod avatar totally screwed up everything and was the end of the forum. Everyone deserves to have some fun if such little harm is down, just like pranks.[/quoteca1276452c]
You don't get warnings for stuff like this. You just DON'T go into a forum messing with things that don't have anything to do with him.
Like TJS said, if he wanted the little images, he could have contact him and he might have done it. He didn't have to go fucking with things himself. It's not his to fuck with. Period.
I'm happy to hear that he actually helped someone and that person decided to stick around. But comparing one person to the others I've seen him insult, act stupid with and all the little annoying things he's said to people doesn't really go hand in hand.
To answer you, No. As I said before, I'd rather have no one messing with the forums at all. It's none of his business, and he could have done more damages. How do you know he wasn't going off clicking stuff and trying to figure out how to get access to other things?
"Ya sure, giving himself a mod avatar totally screwed up everything and was the end of the forum. Everyone deserves to have some fun if such little harm is down, just like pranks."
I'm not sure how to answer that since it just seems like a contraction so I'll just say that my vote for his perm-ban stays. He can go ride a bike or get out of his house for a while. Find a hobby. I don't see how getting into someone elses forums, stealing a mod's password is any fun.
Good dabate. lol wink[/quoteca1276452c]
1. So far everyone I know who has banned has received a warning
2. Might is the keyword there. The chances of Admin giving me the mod images are slim to none
3. You are assuming that you know everyone he has insulted and helped out, he was 26 TR, meaning that there would be 26 less trades done on this forum if he wasnt here. 26 people would have had to go out of their way to find another person to trade with
4. It was stated before, it would not have been hard to do other harmful things to the forum. A few hours of your time, or off anyone's time, is not worth a ban. I mean, think about it, you could have done something else in those few hours.
5. Your telling me that you have never done anything bad that you think the punishment was too harsh? I have done a few little things wrong, and I thought the punishment was completely harsh. This is how I feel about this case.
6. You dropped your arguement about someone else coming and completely shutting down for more than a week. I assume that you have no answer to it.
7. I am not trying to convince you on your vote since it does not matter, just like mine. Admin is the judge, and he is the one I am trying to convince.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 14:44:29
I would also like to point out the Pros and Cons of him staying on the forum.
Pros
Do more trades
Help more people
Discuss more events
Cons
Please name some?
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 14:47:32
Cons
He used a script against the site and caused a lot of havic
Thats all you need in my mind but its Admin's boards and whatever he decides is cool. I wouldn't keep him around...
Daggoth
20-11-2005 14:58:57
That is a completely invalid con since you did not read my complete post. My question was for why he should not be on the forums regardless of his actions. I mean, unless he does it again (Which would be his second chance), I see nothing wrong with it. Please look at my answers on the previous posts for the answer to "He used a script against the site and caused a lot of havic and that is why he should be banned"
I will not "list" the cons as they are clearly in the previous replies.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 15:06:44
Those are the cons of what he did wrong, not of what he will do wrong if he is unbanned.
shamash
20-11-2005 15:09:07
If he emailed Admin about the flaws, Admin would have had to shut the site down for the same amount of time to upgrade the system, wouldn't he?
Daggoth
20-11-2005 15:11:10
5/10 minutes more since he had to reset Fugger's password, get rid of goofy's avatar, and ban him.
Admin
20-11-2005 15:12:14
I feel the need to point out a couple things
-He did not cause the downtime. I chose to take the forums offline while I performed upgrades that I should have performed much sooner. I could have kept them online but mainly because of laziness I decided to take them down.
-It was not "hours", it was just over 50 minutes by my count.
You may think by this post that I'm on goofy's side, but I'm still not. I just want to make those points clear.
To me, this isn't an isolated event. He's talked about exploiting scripts before. Here's what he said about security holes in the trade module
[quoteb1343a9255]I remember finding somehting when I was bored one afternoon[/quoteb1343a9255]
so for me it's a little tough to just let this go with a warning since he clearly has a pattern of doing the wrong thing (i.e. not alerting the admin of the problem).
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 15:12:48
Daggoth this is the last thing I'll say about this. It doesn't matter what he has done in the past or what he'll do in the future. The fact is he did something bad (way worse than other people that get banned) and thats al that matters. If Admin unbans him hooray, if not hooray. I don't really care either way...
[quote61cbcfbb3b="shamash"]If he emailed Admin about the flaws, Admin would have had to shut the site down for the same amount of time to upgrade the system, wouldn't he?[/quote61cbcfbb3b]
So you're insinuating that him stealing the password, getting into mod/admin area, and messing with settings is the same thing as PMing the Admin and telling him to fix flaw since the admin would still have had to "shut the site down for the same amount of time to upgrade?"
shamash
20-11-2005 15:15:09
I still think he's a valuable part of our community and it would suck to lose him
shamash
20-11-2005 15:16:34
[quote4f2572d743="Veek"][quote4f2572d743="shamash"]If he emailed Admin about the flaws, Admin would have had to shut the site down for the same amount of time to upgrade the system, wouldn't he?[/quote4f2572d743]
So you're insinuating that him stealing the password, getting into mod/admin area, and messing with settings is the same thing as PMing the Admin and telling him to fix flaw since the admin would still have had to "shut the site down for the same amount of time to upgrade?"[/quote4f2572d743]
[quote4f2572d743="Admin"]I feel the need to point out a couple things
-He did not cause the downtime. I chose to take the forums offline while I performed upgrades that I should have performed much sooner. I could have kept them online but mainly because of laziness I decided to take them down.
-It was not "hours", it was just over 50 minutes by my count.[/quote4f2572d743]
ajrock2000
20-11-2005 15:17:10
I have no idea why people are defending him so badly. If he wanted mod images, ask. If admin doesn't give them to him, too bad. You don't steal passwords, period. I am very sure that goofy knew the consequences of his actions would most likely result in a permaban. I could care less either way, but if it was my forums, I wouldn't have him stay around just to avoid future times where he is "bored one afternoon".
Don't quote the Admin to answer me. The Admin is right, the Admin closed the forums for a while. And it wasn't hours, it was far less. I never said it was hours.
[quote3a05413349="Veek"]
3. The downtime was not a very long while, but still wouldn't have happened if he wouldn't have put his foot in. [/quote3a05413349]
[quote3a05413349="Daggoth"]
6. You dropped your arguement about someone else coming and completely shutting down for more than a week. I assume that you have no answer to it. [/quote3a05413349]
If someone would have came in and did that, it would have been a different story. But this is goofy, a "contributer" to the forums. I haven't seen him contribute anything but his lack of maturity and now this.
Shashmash, if you can't defend your statements, it's fine. But don't quote the Admin to defend yourself.
shamash
20-11-2005 15:24:27
Those weren't my statements?
And your argument is now thrown out the window, because you're saying he should be banned for shutting the site down.
[quote94b3e290ee="shamash"]Those weren't my statements?
And your argument is now thrown out the window, because you're saying he should be banned for shutting the site down.[/quote94b3e290ee]
lol lol
You haven't been keeping track have you. Go read my replies again. Until then, I won't bother replying to you again.
P.S; I said he should be banned for stealing someones password, an mods no less, messing with shit he doesn't need to be messing with, and not letting the Admin know about the flaw instead of "investigating" himself.
P.S.S; You can throw whatever the hell you want out of the window. lol
ajrock2000
20-11-2005 15:31:13
Exactly.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 15:47:24
[quote4d6012f0f6="Wolfeman"]Daggoth this is the last thing I'll say about this. It doesn't matter what he has done in the past or what he'll do in the future. The fact is he did something bad (way worse than other people that get banned) and thats al that matters. If Admin unbans him hooray, if not hooray. I don't really care either way...[/quote4d6012f0f6]
1. Everyone who has been banned has received a warning.
2. Read Admin's facts about how bad it is
3. It might affect you when you are looking for a trade
Daggoth
20-11-2005 15:49:05
[quotebb9afba8be="Veek"][quotebb9afba8be="shamash"]If he emailed Admin about the flaws, Admin would have had to shut the site down for the same amount of time to upgrade the system, wouldn't he?[/quotebb9afba8be]
So you're insinuating that him stealing the password, getting into mod/admin area, and messing with settings is the same thing as PMing the Admin and telling him to fix flaw since the admin would still have had to "shut the site down for the same amount of time to upgrade?"[/quotebb9afba8be]
Once again, look at my answer to this.
Since it caused little to no damage, it should not be a big deal. Its not like he took down the forum for a year. What he did was wrong, but he did not know he would get banned for it, as explained in his AIM conversation.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 15:50:35
[quote4d46f37b80="ajrock2000"]I have no idea why people are defending him so badly. If he wanted mod images, ask. If admin doesn't give them to him, too bad. You don't steal passwords, period. I am very sure that goofy knew the consequences of his actions would most likely result in a permaban. I could care less either way, but if it was my forums, I wouldn't have him stay around just to avoid future times where he is "bored one afternoon".[/quote4d46f37b80]
Once again, look at my answers to the previous questions. I doubt Admin would give him mod images.
To the argument against "bored one afternoon" What he did was wrong, but I am sure if this case counts as a warning, he would not do it again.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 15:52:44
[quoted41b9d066d="Veek"]Don't quote the Admin to answer me. The Admin is right, the Admin closed the forums for a while. And it wasn't hours, it was far less. I never said it was hours.
[quoted41b9d066d="Veek"]
3. The downtime was not a very long while, but still wouldn't have happened if he wouldn't have put his foot in. [/quoted41b9d066d]
[quoted41b9d066d="Daggoth"]
6. You dropped your arguement about someone else coming and completely shutting down for more than a week. I assume that you have no answer to it. [/quoted41b9d066d]
If someone would have came in and did that, it would have been a different story. But this is goofy, a "contributer" to the forums. I haven't seen him contribute anything but his lack of maturity and now this.
Shashmash, if you can't defend your statements, it's fine. But don't quote the Admin to defend yourself.[/quoted41b9d066d]
Just because you havent seen him do anything does not mean that he hasnt done anything.
I havent seen Bush do one thing right, does that mean he hasnt done one thing right?
Everyone also failed to address my argument of the consequences of him not being banned.
Sorry for the quad post mods/admin. It would be unbelievable hard to put together 4 quotes and explain them in one post.
Admin
20-11-2005 15:54:26
[quote148fde8550="Daggoth"]
1. Everyone who has been banned has received a warning.
2. Read Admin's facts about how bad it is
3. It might affect you when you are looking for a trade[/quote148fde8550]
1. Wrong times a billion
2. No matter how "good" or "bad" it is its still not something someone should do to a community. It undermines everything when security is tampered with.
3. Give me a break. There are hundreds if not thousands of users who have used FiPG to trade. There will be more.
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 15:58:42
So Daggoth. I can hack the boards once and thats cool because I get a warning? LOL!
Daggoth
20-11-2005 15:59:34
[quote58526be078="Admin"][quote58526be078="Daggoth"]
1. Everyone who has been banned has received a warning.
2. Read Admin's facts about how bad it is
3. It might affect you when you are looking for a trade[/quote58526be078]
1. Wrong times a billion
2. No matter how "good" or "bad" it is its still not something someone should do to a community. It undermines everything when security is tampered with.
3. Give me a break. There are hundreds if not thousands of users who have used FiPG to trade. There will be more.[/quote58526be078]
1. As far as I have seen, everyone has, if I am wrong, Sorry.
2. So if he had not tampered with it, it might have been worse as in someone who is more proffesional might have hacked/cracked into it and cause even more problems.
3. There will be more, but an extra one has never hurt anyone. It is never better to have one less person.
ajrock2000
20-11-2005 16:03:08
omg daggoth , is he paying you to defend him? It's ridiculous. Tampering with security holes would be a perma ban on pretty much any site/forums out there. Who cares how much he has contributed.
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 16:03:38
All he had to do was inform the admin and the security flaws would've been fixed. He didn't have to exploit them to show they were there.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 16:04:10
[quote2d8d6f404e="Wolfeman"]So Daggoth. I can hack the boards once and thats cool because I get a warning? LOL![/quote2d8d6f404e]
His "hacking" was not to do intentional damage. If you were just messing around and gave yourself some images, it wouldnt reallly mattered. As far as I am concerned, I am looking at the severity of the crime.
Hey, You Said You werent going to post anymore. You said that was your closing statement.
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 16:11:23
Yeah but you keep directing comments at me so I'm going to respond...
Daggoth
20-11-2005 16:13:24
If I am arguing with someone, of course I will respond to their posts...
ajrock2000
20-11-2005 16:14:16
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Wolfeman
20-11-2005 16:14:43
goofy wanted me banned because I had accidently left a link in my sig. I had copied it from another forum and forgot to remove the link. He thinks that is ban worthy, no warnings, and what he did is so much worse...
http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=24221
Daggoth
20-11-2005 16:17:23
The fact that you did not get banned prevails this argument. He doesnt get to make decisions, like you and I, about who gets banned.
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 16:19:55
[quotefdd59da9a7="Daggoth"]The fact that you did not get banned prevails this argument.[/quotefdd59da9a7]
No it doesn't. That is a situation where a warning is fine like if someone makes a 2nd thread in the trading section. It breaks a rule but it is easily fixed with a warning. Exploiting a flaw on the board isn't in the same ballpark...
Daggoth
20-11-2005 16:21:54
Nop, this is even easier. They needed to upgrade the forums anyway and Goofy just jumpstarted it. He did not cause any downtime as it was pointed out.
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 16:24:00
If they let him back its saying that if their is a flaw in the future, just exploit it. Don't PM the admin with a fix, just exploit it...
Daggoth
20-11-2005 16:25:34
I am not saying what he did is right, that is why we should give him a warning so in the future anyone who wants to exploit a bug in the future knows that this person got a warning for it, so they might not be so lucky.
Looks like my karma is going to hit rock bottom after this...
[quote1bcff088a8="Daggoth"]I am not saying what he did is right, that is why we should give him a warning so in the future anyone who wants to exploit a bug in the future knows that this person got a warning for it, so they might not be so lucky.
Looks like my karma is going to hit rock bottom after this...[/quote1bcff088a8]
You must really love this guy.
You're 100% right, what he did was NOT right. It was wrong, and he got got a slap on the hand already.
However, as we've been trying to explain to you but you don't seem to understand, is that there are NO excuses for what did. Being a member of the forum is a privilage, NOT a right. There will be more people to "trade with." Hell, I've seen new people who have helped more people than he has the entire time he was here.
You don't fuck with the security of the board. You let the Admin know about it. And besides, he wasn't "having fun," he was being a parasite by trying to be what he's not. Oh dear, precious mod images. They sure do cure all the problems in the world.
How obessed must one be to actually take the time to steal a mod's password to "make believe" the other users that one is a mod. Seriously.
That's what he gets for messing with the security of the community.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 16:43:25
Actually, I am on the Debate team for my school, so this is just free practice for me.
1. He caused no downtime
2. One less trader can never be good
3. What will have quicker action? An exploit or a PM?
bballp6699
20-11-2005 16:45:11
Damn...gone for a day and looky what happens....
I think he was pissed that he wasn't made a mod concidering his post in the new moderator thread...
We all know how much he would have earned it...
Daggoth
20-11-2005 16:48:24
I dont think he earned being a mod unless you were being sarcastic. Ya, you might be right about him being pissed, but I doubt he was stupid enough to think him being a mod would go unnoticed.
shamash
20-11-2005 16:54:39
I'm in law, and this is free practice for me! O
According to the prosecution at the start of the case, the Defendant is on trial for causing downtime.
The Defense has proven that the Defendant is not guilty of these charges, and will object against the other arguments with Rule 402. "relevant evidence is generally admissable; [b2cff993ee3]irrelevant evidence inadmissable[/b2cff993ee3]"
Daggoth
20-11-2005 16:56:22
If you want to be technical, Wolfeman lost his credibility when he stated that one of his pasts posts was going to be his last. He lied and thus losing his credibility. When you lost your credibility, everything you say becomes invalid.
shamash
20-11-2005 16:58:20
[quoteaf9c05720c="Daggoth"]If you want to be technical, Wolfeman lost his credibility when he stated that one of his pasts posts was going to be his last. He lied and thus losing his credibility. When you lost your credibility, everything you say becomes invalid.[/quoteaf9c05720c]
Character evidence is not admissable to prove other crimes...
All you can do is impeach the witness by using the court's logs to show the flaws in his case.
ajrock2000
20-11-2005 16:59:45
you both are idiots
shamash
20-11-2005 17:00:51
learn english the language.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 17:01:43
[quote09a4982975="ajrock2000"]you both are idiots[/quote09a4982975]
Thats an Ad Hominem, attacking the user instead of the case. If you say that in a debate or court of law, your pretty much lose unless you are winning by alot.
ajrock2000
20-11-2005 17:02:42
[quotea7a48a6902="shamash"]learn english the language.[/quotea7a48a6902]
You mean learn [ba7a48a6902]the english[/ba7a48a6902] language?
shamash
20-11-2005 17:02:44
Veek - nice title.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 17:03:58
[quotea105597da9="ajrock2000"][quotea105597da9="shamash"]learn english the language.[/quotea105597da9]
You mean learn [ba105597da9]the english[/ba105597da9] language?[/quotea105597da9]
I am pretty sure he was mocking you...
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ajrock2000
20-11-2005 17:06:53
Whatever, I find it hilarious you clowns are making a courtroom drama over this. He exploited the site, its plain and simple. If he gave $10,000 as a contribution to the site, and had a million helpful posts, it still doesn't justify exploiting the site and stealing a mods password. period.
lol, Bill.
KeithA
20-11-2005 17:07:12
[quotecb39b0adb2="shamash"]Veek - nice title.[/quotecb39b0adb2]
Jan's is excellent as well.
[quoteba2addf988="shamash"]Veek - nice title.[/quoteba2addf988]
Thanks! lol
Daggoth
20-11-2005 17:09:27
Lmao, I thought for sure that Bill killed the topic with that post, but I guess not.
Its not suppose to be a courtroom drama, but I am just saying if it was.. this would happen. My previous arguments still stand and await to be argued against...
JUNIOR6886
20-11-2005 17:15:05
FIPG Drama! shock anyways.... i dont think goofy should be banned.
Stealing a mods account on an online forum simply to make himself look important is so far beyond pathetic i dont know what to call it. I think he did it more as a joke than out of the need to feel like he runs this place (at least i hope so) like someone else posted it could have been worse. ?
Daggoth
20-11-2005 17:22:42
[quote03f0ad541a="JUNIOR6886"]FIPG Drama! shock anyways.... i dont think goofy should be banned.
Stealing a mods account on an online forum simply to make himself look important is so far beyond pathetic i dont know what to call it. I think he did it more as a joke than out of the need to feel like he runs this place (at least i hope so) like someone else posted it could have been worse. ?[/quote03f0ad541a]
Agreed
justinag06
20-11-2005 17:44:38
didnt he start the whole click here trick to give him karma thing in his sig.
I hate people that do that
Daggoth
20-11-2005 17:45:55
Same, but it doesnt really matter b/c after sticking up for someone my karma is going to reach rock bottom.
cyberpunk243
20-11-2005 17:48:44
Damn this topic has a lot of replies. I have to click to view it and then quickly click back to the forum index just so it takes off the notifier saying that there is new posts in the off topic forum.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 17:50:53
Well, I am hoping for the best.
[quote03f4316a28="KeithA"]Jan's is excellent as well.[/quote03f4316a28]
Thanks!!!, I thought it was pretty funny myself.
LMFAO
Aurelius
20-11-2005 17:59:09
after reading all that... i think the guy deserves a second chance cause from what i've seen of him, he seems like a good guy and his willingness to pay for his trades even after getting banned shows he has SOME moral fiber. just my two cents!
Yea, I had my fights and arguements with him, but once I pm'ed him and we talked about it I realized he is a kewl guy, but somtimes a little to harsh on newbies. D
DON'T BAN GOOFY!!
Daggoth
20-11-2005 18:10:05
He is pretty nice when you get to know him.
Your price of refs goes up $5 every hour, Jan?
Admin
20-11-2005 18:28:40
[quote9922021f70="Aurelius"]after reading all that... i think the guy deserves a second chance cause from what i've seen of him, he seems like a good guy and his willingness to pay for his trades even after getting banned shows he has SOME moral fiber. just my two cents![/quote9922021f70]
... talk is cheap...
Daggoth
20-11-2005 18:33:14
Well, I am still debating whether to argue with an Admin or not but...
It seems like he will finish the trades since he indirectly said it and alot of my points haven't been argued with...
[quote1826aa9030="Daggoth"]Your price of refs goes up $5 every hour, Jan?[/quote1826aa9030]
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
[quotee7928ab6ec="Daggoth"]Well, I am still debating whether to argue with an Admin or not but...
It seems like he will finish the trades since he indirectly said it and alot of my points haven't been argued with...[/quotee7928ab6ec]
I hope you know you're just going in circles. I already debated my side well enough. I pointed out what he did wrong and backed up my statements as I could.
All you do is repeat the same thing you've been saying, and I probably am too considering we both feel very strong about our opinions.
As you read, more people are on the perm-ban side than anything.
All I'm waiting for is the Admins decisions.
compuguru
20-11-2005 18:41:06
I am not sure if he should come back, in fact, I am right in the middle. I have just one question, how do we know he won't exploit a security hole in the forums again?
Daggoth
20-11-2005 18:44:16
Ill admit that some of my facts have been going in circles just because some people ask the same questions, but you ran the same arguments also.
Well, there are two people above me who said they did not want him perm banned.
[ba5a05cf37a]Whether or not he gets banned will not have anything to do with this debate[/ba5a05cf37a], it will end up being Admins decision of what he thinks is right and wrong, and I have nothing against it. He is the owner of the forum, he makes the decisions.
I guess we await for the decision.
[quoted769dd9ae9="Daggoth"]Ill admit that some of my facts have been going in circles just because some people ask the same questions, but you ran the same arguments also.
Well, there are two people above me who said they did not want him perm banned.
[bd769dd9ae9]Whether or not he gets banned will not have anything to do with this debate[/bd769dd9ae9], it will end up being Admins decision of what he thinks is right and wrong, and I have nothing against it. He is the owner of the forum, he makes the decisions.
I guess we await for the decision.[/quoted769dd9ae9]
Yep. But I must admit you gave a good arguement. I'd put in a good word for your Debate teacher. wink lol
Daggoth
20-11-2005 18:49:41
Same, at least you had some arguments unlike half the other people who posted in this thread, which isn't saying much since half of the posts are mine.
agroman
20-11-2005 18:55:25
this thread [bb92fc88130]SUCKS[/bb92fc88130]!!!
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damac
20-11-2005 18:57:16
who gives a shit about your dumb debate. this isn't a topic to debate.
this is just some bitch on the internet to you admin, you have a reputation and business to protect.
honestly i would wonder wtf is up if you even hesitate to permaban that fucker for screwing with your site. if you don't ban him i would have to question your judgement. you put a stop to talk about some high profile scammers before, and the 12dailypro bullshit because it needed to be done. ban that fucker.
he shouldn't be poking around shit reguardless of his intent, he isn't your friend, he doesn't give a shit about you and your site so tell him to fuck off.
im sure you don't have time for this edrama and could care less if this user sounds like a good guy or not, this is the internet, you don't know shit about him and his true intent.
even a 10 year old should know, you don't fuck with shit in somebodies house. do it, and you won't be invited back.
im sure he violated some terms of service here and could be held liable for time, pain and suffering on your part.
ajrock2000
20-11-2005 19:01:55
[quotec4ec2b401f="damac"]who gives a shit about your dumb debate. this isn't a topic to debate.
this is just some bitch on the internet to you admin, you have a reputation and business to protect.[/quotec4ec2b401f]
Couldn't agree more.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 19:04:14
The only pain and suffering I noticed was him having to ban Goofy's account. There really was no downtime caused by Goofy. I guess you dont believe in second chances...
shamash
20-11-2005 19:06:53
Uh, i'm pretty sure goofy and admin are buddies by smoe of their convos on the board..
And I'm pretty sure alot of you guys are overreacting, and I doubt goofy will be banned.
theysayjump
20-11-2005 20:20:25
Actually the reason he changed his Rank images to "Moderator" and "FiPG Contributer" was because he didn't like his current title "True Homosexual". That's what he told me this afternoon.
I too believe in 2nd chances, but this time it's a little more on the fucked up side.
If some stranger broke into your house and started rearranging the furniture just to show you that you left a window unlocked, would you invite him back in? I fucking wouldn't.
What he did was wrong. It's not his site or forum to be messing with shit. If the Admin wanted him to be a Mod or Admin and able to fix this kinda thing, then he would have.
How many people here can honestly say that if they knew how to do what goofy did, that they would do the same? Can you honestly say that you would not expect to be banned after messing with someone elses shit?
It's just plain ignorance to "break into" someone else's site and expect no consequences at all.
ilanbg
20-11-2005 20:33:02
TSJ Those are very valid points. I even put one of your quotes in my sig because it was so funny.
I think it was rather stupid that he did this, and that there were definitely better ways to a) tell the Admin about the security hole, and b) change his title. This action in and of itself would probably deserve banning.
However, goofy really has brought a lot to the board. He offered to give me free hosting when I made my dot5hosting thread here a while ago, and bought me my last ref on dvdrecorders4free when I loaned him some money (which he paid back ~30 hours later). He was generally patient for me when I got confused over stupid stuff, which is more than I can say about 90% of the members here.
This is definitely a difficult decision. To respond to TSJ's analogy (the one in my sig)
If a retard walked onto your lawn and started eating the grass, would you call the cops and have him arrested? I fucking wouldn't.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 20:33:26
You cannot compare breaking into a house with breaking into a virtual website.
I am just going to wait it out to see Admin's decision.
theysayjump
20-11-2005 20:36:18
It's not a virtual website, it's a real website.
I compared the situation with something more "Everyday-ish", because they are basically both along the same lines.
Can you give me a more accurate analogy?
shamash
20-11-2005 20:40:23
[quote99d54f6dfc="theysayjump"]Actually the reason he changed his Rank images to "Moderator" and "FiPG Contributer" was because he didn't like his current title "True Homosexual". That's what he told me this afternoon.
I too believe in 2nd chances, but this time it's a little more on the fucked up side.
If some stranger broke into your house and started rearranging the furniture just to show you that you left a window unlocked, would you invite him back in? I fucking wouldn't.
What he did was wrong. It's not his site or forum to be messing with shit. If the Admin wanted him to be a Mod or Admin and able to fix this kinda thing, then he would have.
How many people here can honestly say that if they knew how to do what goofy did, that they would do the same? Can you honestly say that you would not expect to be banned after messing with someone elses shit?
It's just plain ignorance to "break into" someone else's site and expect no consequences at all.[/quote99d54f6dfc]
There was actually a TV show where that happened to people to show them, and I think they need it, so you can be secure for a burglar.
Also, he didn't rearrange the furniture, he simply used your pen to write a note on a piece of paper.
So he stole Fuggers password and snuck inside the mod area JUST because he didn't like the title he had previously? And just when I thought low couldn't get any lower. I think that's even worse. "Oh I don't like this about the forum, I think I'll find a way to exploit it and change it myself."
Nice.
shamash
20-11-2005 20:43:57
"veek, you fucking blew that shit outta context. I didn't break in to change the title, I changed it because I didn't like it - that wasn't the reason behind it"
- goofy
[quote73a83212d5="shamash"]"veek, you fucking blew that shit outta context. I didn't break in to change the title, I changed it because I didn't like it - that wasn't the reason behind it"
- goofy[/quote73a83212d5]
That doesn't make any sense.
And for future refrence, I don't accept replies from someone being used as the "messenger."
shamash
20-11-2005 20:48:28
Uhh, I was just telling you what Goofy asked me to tell you. If you "don't accept" it, or things that I say because of it, then fuck you and stop talking, you're really stupid.
theysayjump
20-11-2005 20:49:29
Shamash calm down before you are temp-banned for flaming.
[quoted69db22b6d="shamash"]Uhh, I was just telling you what Goofy asked me to tell you. If you "don't accept" it, or things that I say because of it, then fuck you and stop talking, you're really stupid.[/quoted69db22b6d]
violin
Kid, the last thing I'm going to do is stop "talking" because you said so.
ilanbg
20-11-2005 20:51:46
[quotef669537826="theysayjump"]It's not a virtual website, it's a real website.
I compared the situation with something more "Everyday-ish", because they are basically both along the same lines.
Can you give me a more accurate analogy?[/quotef669537826]
A more accurate analogy may if the neighbor who helped paint your garage walked into your house while you were there. Unannounced, granted, but nonetheless someone you know and who has helped you in the past.
shamash
20-11-2005 20:51:56
Egging people on to flame someone is just as bad as flaming, so maybe Veek should be calmed down too.
[quotede5f7b0494="shamash"]Egging people on to flame someone is just as bad as flaming, so maybe Veek should be calmed down too.[/quotede5f7b0494]
I am calm. I'm just replying to what I feel like, not calling people names. And I understand you're upset, no harm done. wink
theysayjump
20-11-2005 20:55:13
As far as I can tell, Veek is calm.
You can state your opinions, thats fine. I don't really give a shit who is calm or not, if anyone flames then they will be temp-banned.
Mapik
20-11-2005 20:57:49
He's a good contributer, he should get a 2nd chance.
He could have done a lot worse if he wanted to, but he merely changed one 'little thing' and that was it.
Yes, I see both sides to this. If it was my site, 2nd chance him. You know all the mods will be watching him, he'll get a good warning as well I'm sure. My say means litttle which is fine, but IMO 2nd him.
shamash
20-11-2005 20:57:55
So howabout everyone whos insulting Goofy without contributing anything useful be temped?
theysayjump
20-11-2005 21:13:10
[quote6543230988="shamash"]So howabout everyone whos insulting Goofy without contributing anything useful be temped?[/quote6543230988]
I guess goofy is the only person who can say whether or not he has been insulted. As for the things people have said about him, I have taken them as people opinions of him and the way they feel about him.
What you said had nothing to do with anything. "Fuck you and stop talk, you're really stupid" That's a flame and it's the only one in this thread that I have read, which is why I gave a warning.
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 21:16:04
I have 0 problem with goofy. If it was just some random user would there even be a discussion...
Nope, good point, but it isnt just some random person.
Daggoth
20-11-2005 21:26:07
[quote08e1348183="Wolfeman"]I have 0 problem with goofy. If it was just some random user would there even be a discussion...[/quote08e1348183]
If it was a moderator, would there be a discussion or would they just let him loose? I thought so...
Will the Admin please make a decision and lock this thread?
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 21:29:42
[quoteaf9e4911d9="Daggoth"][quoteaf9e4911d9="Wolfeman"]I have 0 problem with goofy. If it was just some random user would there even be a discussion...[/quoteaf9e4911d9]
If it was a moderator, would there be a discussion or would they just let him loose? I thought so...
Will the Admin please make a decision and lock this thread?[/quoteaf9e4911d9]
If he was a mod, I'd say perma ban him. It doesn't matter who did it, thats the point...
theysayjump
20-11-2005 21:33:17
[quote167dd44425="Wolfeman"][quote167dd44425="Daggoth"][quote167dd44425="Wolfeman"]I have 0 problem with goofy. If it was just some random user would there even be a discussion...[/quote167dd44425]
If it was a moderator, would there be a discussion or would they just let him loose? I thought so...
Will the Admin please make a decision and lock this thread?[/quote167dd44425]
If he was a mod, I'd say perma ban him. It doesn't matter who did it, thats the point...[/quote167dd44425]
Exactly.
In the end all this posting all you guys are doing on this topic really isnt going to matter, because the fact of the matter is he broke the rules and he will be punished, and this punishment isnt going to revolve around what we think is right or wrong.
JUNIOR6886
20-11-2005 22:03:05
roll
hehehhehe
20-11-2005 22:43:42
[quote760db466fa="jan"]In the end all this posting all you guys are doing on this topic really isnt going to matter, because the fact of the matter is he broke the rules and he will be punished, and this punishment isnt going to revolve around what we think is right or wrong.[/quote760db466fa]
Any reason why you're raising your karma like goofygarber did with bullshit sigs?
Wolfeman
20-11-2005 22:45:27
Seriously I hate these karma sig people...
You guys happy its gone. D