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Unfortunately, I've just received some rather dreadful news from my affiliate manager for the AusVegas Casino and Lasseters Casino campaigns. All but 2 players referred to these casinos were deemed "bonus abusers," and I will not be receiving payment for any of your completions. As such, those of you with pending AusVegas and/or Lasseters orders will not be receiving payment. Your orders have been denied, and the offers have been removed. I apologize for the inconvenience, but there is nothing I can do; you all have brought this on yourselves. I will continue to strive to provide you with the best money-making opportunities in online casinos...but if this continues I will be forced to close down.

Well, I personally have never done your site before. But seeing how upfront and honest you are with your members is deffinatly great. Its really good to see the person running the site, keeping their members up to date with everything going on. It is unfortunate that people abuse rules, but good luck with getting members that do everything right. I will be looking to sign up for your site soon.

What does bonus abuser mean? They take the bonus and never play again? Does this affect people that don't ever take bonuses (like me)?

How many people being denied are we talking about?


Honestly, I say you should "man up" and cover it regardless. If they followed the terms you set for the offers (minimum deposit and minimum wagering requirements) then you should be responsible for them not being honored by the sites (if in fact your minimums were different from their bonus minimums).

Sucks whenever a site doesn't get paid for leads but come on, saying "you all have brought this on yourselves" seems like a lame excuse to me if you set the terms and standards that they have to follow.

As for your other offers, are you changing the requirements to make sure those casinos will continue to be happy with the leads? Or are you setting it up so those will do the same in the future?

Sorry to play devils advocate but I always have a problem with site owners blaming the users when they are the ones to set the rules.

Thats crap. Its not the site owners fault, its the casinos'. If Freepay got credit revoked for an offer you did, you think they'd just leave it green? No way, you'd lose your green and have to redo an offer...

[quote5cd6534342="JesterxXx"]Sorry to play devils advocate but I always have a problem with site owners blaming the users when they are the ones to set the rules.[/quote5cd6534342]

most of the time its the users fault site abuse is not the responsibility of the owner and FON is "maning up" and telling every1 up front i suppport him and hope he doesn't get screwed on any other offers...and casinos are infamous for screwing affiliates

[quote941ca87e1f="FreeOffersNow"] you all have brought this on yourselves. I will continue to strive to provide you with the best money-making opportunities in online casinos...but if this continues I will be forced to close down.[/quote941ca87e1f]

I didnt do this offer yet(was planning on doing it) but im sure if I did i'd probably be in this bucket. How did anyone bring it upon themselvess? I am not sure about you, or anyone else for that matter but I am only here to beat the casinos not gamble with them. If theres a bonus you bet im going to play for it, and when I get it, i'm going to take the money and run. I've bonused my way to 3 grand at numerus casinos in the past 2 months starting with just a 100 dollar deposit. I don't dick around with my money

If they don't like people taking their bonuses, then they shouldnt offer them. I assume you spoke with their affiliate manager and laid out a cpa plan for your site. The fact that they didn't own up and pay for your players just cause they won and cashed out is just gay.

I know what you mean about closing down though, the casinos don't wanna pay you for to long if they arent making money off your players.

btw why did you lower payment on casino on net?

[quote23f8d05525="Wolfeman"]Thats crap. Its not the site owners fault, its the casinos'. If Freepay got credit revoked for an offer you did, you think they'd just leave it green? No way, you'd lose your green and have to redo an offer...[/quote23f8d05525]Well it just depends on the reason for the refusals. Many of these sites that have casino offers make up their own "requirements" when it comes to wagering and of course many of the casino sites like to see people that will stick around. If the freebie sites don't set terms that people have to deposit a certain amount and wager a certain amount that is the same as the sites themselves require for bonuses and such then it is just asking for trouble.

I admit I don't know the full details but just because people were rejected doesn't seem like a good enough reason to revoke credit and referrals credit.

And I don't know if using freepay is a very good example. I doubt they got paid for that instacast crap that a lot of us did but I know I got credit for it eventually. In fact out of every single offer I have done for freepay or OC I have eventually gotten credit for...and a few of those weren't automaticly credited by the advertiser. So far, at least in my case, they have always bitten the bullet and covered it since they were the ones that chose the offers to display. They just take down the offers that don't pay up or cause a lot of problems...OC even says that you will get credit when they pull offers as long as you followed the terms.

Just get tired of seeing independant site owners trying to take the easy way out and blame the advertisers when we never see that with the real companies. Of course we have seen it a ton of times with all the bs and scammer sites of the past...this just reminds me of that. Not at all saying FON is trying to scam people, just that depending on the circumstances, he should probably take the hit and cover it if people followed his terms. If they did not follow his/the sites terms and didn't wager what they required then that is different.

I havent gotten credited at OC for an Urban Nutrition offer since march. They will never credit me for it, even with emails and reciepts.

JesterxXx (aka "Scilynt"), I'm going to assume you have no hidden agendas being the owner of congablast, and a moderator at GearLive. There were a total of 7 orders denied; I don't recall off hand if anyone had multiple denials. How can you expect the site owner to simply absorb the losses in a situation like this? If you were a site owner faced with losing nearly $1,000 as a result of what the casinos have called "bonus abusers," what would [i0cdc2f67de]you[/i0cdc2f67de] do? I apologize to those who are impacted, however, I have already lost $450 as a result of this and am not willing to "invest" anything further into this situation. Again, I apologize to those impacted and I hope to see your continued support in the future.

[quote0cdc2f67de="JesterxXx"]Sorry to play devils advocate but I always have a problem with site owners blaming the users when they are the ones to set the rules.[/quote0cdc2f67de]

So how exactly would you word the "rules" to prevent "bonus abusers" from exploiting the casinos, while not taking anything away from honest members?

There are absolutely no "hiden agendas" and not sure what my association with any other place would have to do with that. I am a bit on edge when it comes to sites screwing people though. Again, not saying that was what you were doing but we have all seen it plenty of times now and I honestly can't count all the sites that have screwed people over the months now.

What I was asking was how are your terms different than the casino sites required terms, if at all? I have seen some sites that say you only have to deposit the minimum but no requirements on wagering at all. I don't know if the casino sites allow that in their incentivized terms or not but that is the kind of thing that just ask for problems. On other offers I have seen the site owner outright ignore the terms for incentivized sites...like Casino On Net for example. Again, not saying you did this but asking if you check to make sure and set the terms for your users accordingly.

There was no "personal attack" intended but after seeing all these other sites screw people and basically get away with it my initial thought is it's just happening again. I apologize if you took offense though.

If you would like to enlighten me why I would have hidden agendas towards you for whatever reason feel free to explain that as well. I have nothing against you and have had respect for you...and if you remember have even done a trade with you. I guess seeing your post just brought out the silly "public defender" thing in me since we have seen post like this from so many other sites in the past that are no longer around...


Edit And can you explain what you meant when you said "you all brougth this on yourselves" ...what I was asking from the beginning was did they follow the rules you posted on your site? And if so were they the same rules you read on the casino sites for incentivized sites?

FON, If I recall the stipulation from your site for AusVegas Casino and Lasseters Casino was to deposit $50, wager $100, and you would pay out $75. So, according to these terms, why wouldnt a person who did just that receive payment?

Regardless of whether or not these casinos had different required terms, if people meet the requirements of casinocashunlimited you should pay them.

Saying a person "brought this upon themeselves" when that person fulfilled the requirements of your site to the letter is not an acceptable reason for nonpayment in my opinion.

You guys are assuming these people did that. From what he said, they are abusing the bonuses. Whatever that means, people are doing it. If you deposit $50 take no bonus and lose it all, there isn't any abuse and it seems those people got paid.

wolfeman, the bonus is from the casino. So consider this

Casinocashunlimited says Deposit $50, wager $100, earn $75.

You go to the casino, depsoit $50, receive a 100% bonus deposit, and with your total of $100 place one bet on a hand of blackjack.

You have bet $100, therefore according to casinocashunlimited you should recieve $75.

It is worth noting I, like justinag, was contemplating doing these offers but HAVE NOT. So I don't have anything personal at stake, just calling it like I see it.

If FON could please clerify what a "Bonus Abuser" was that would make the situation make more sense.

Since I don't know what a bonus abuser is I would assume that the players met the requirements that FON set on his site and the casinos didn't like it. Now FON is blaming it on the users when it's not their fault.

If a the meaning of a bonus abusesr is clerified then my assumption may be wrong.

[quote948608e006="Retro"]If FON could please clerify what a "Bonus Abuser" was that would make the situation make more sense.

Since I don't know what a bonus abuser is I would assume that the players met the requirements that FON set on his site and the casinos didn't like it. Now FON is blaming it on the users when it's not their fault.

If a the meaning of a bonus abusesr is clerified then my assumption may be wrong.[/quote948608e006]

exactly, I have no idea what a bonus abuser is either...

Ok this is bullshit. I assume it's coming from Aus/Lasseter's and not FON/CCU, but it's bullshit regardless.

-I signed up to Lasseter's through CCU and deposited $50.
-[b708e4fa847]I DECLINED the bonus.[/b708e4fa847]
-I played some Blackjack and wagered [i708e4fa847]over[/i708e4fa847] $100. I had my fill of blackjack for the day and logged out of Lasseter's.
-Since I had met the requirements set forth by CCU, I submitted for credit.
-My $50 plus couple dollars of winnings [b708e4fa847]are still[/b708e4fa847] sitting in my Lasseter's account untouched. I am still a legitimate and paying customer at Lasseter.

Keeping in mind that [b708e4fa847]bold[/b708e4fa847] line up there, how the hell can I be deemed a bonus abuser? This is bullshit, plain and simple, and I should be compensated considering I've met ALL the requirements set forth from ALL parties and have abused NO policies or bonuses or anything else. I didn't exploit CCU or Lasseter's in any way whatsoever. I honestly don't see how I could have possibly been more legitimate.

First, the offer requirements on CasinoCashUnlimited for these casinos are identical to those provided by the affiliate program. While I may have placed more blame on the users than I should have, I have absolutely no way of knowing what goes on after a user leaves my site; I just know whether or not I receive credit for their completion. The following is the explanation given to me by my affiliate manager for AusVegas/Lasseters

[quotee269a80d17]You've hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what's happening. All
players are depositing the same amount, receive the sign up bonus, play the
same games and then withdraw when they reach the turnover requirements.

The feedback we have received from Lasseters is that the players generated
were bonus abusers, which means we will not get paid for them. By paying
Lasseters would actually lose on every single player, as no player has come
back to redeposit.[/quotee269a80d17]

While I don’t agree with how the casinos deal with this, I’ve already taken a $450 hit from this; you’re suggesting I should “invest” $500 more? You mention that FreePay would “bite the bullet” and apply credit to a user for a lead they were not paid for. Well, quite frankly, you’re mistaken. While I don’t have an exact figure, I can assure you that this is not commonplace. In fact, I’m absolutely certain it is a rare occurrence; just because you got manual credit doesn’t mean FreePay didn’t get paid. Because of the volume of quality leads FreePay brings it’s advertisers, they have much more negotiating power than I do with these casinos. We (FiPG, GearLive, Anything4Free, etc.) assume we are a huge part of their user base…WE AREN’T. We account for, at most, 15% of their user base; however, “we” account for nearly 100% of users at CasinoCashUnlimited. Do you see where I’m going with this? These casinos aren’t interested in dealing with me if I can’t provide them quality leads. Put simply, I cannot afford to “bite the bullet” here.

Now, nothing against FusionCash, but I’m going to use their business model to back me up here. Why do you think payouts are delayed about 1 month (to approximately the 20th of the following month)? Perhaps it has something to do with that most advertisers send out affiliate payments monthly, and if payments are sent out on the 20th, FusionCash will have these funds in-hand before sending payments. I’ve taken a risk with all of you, and have been since launching CasinoCashUnlimited in September. Until now there has not been 1 person who waited more than 7 days for payment, and the majority received payment within 3 days. I can see how appreciative you all are. Thank you to those of you who support my decision, I work hard to keep all of you happy, and a situation like this isn’t good for anyone.

Damn..... Im sure some people didnt make a profit playing at the casino and were counting on your payment to make up for what they lost. I couldnt honestly say i wouldnt do what you're doing now if i was a site owner though. At least you were upfront about it.
I hope in the future you will look deeper into the casinos you choose to affiliate yourself with. Its important to add new offers but its important to make sure no one gets screwed.

I havent recieved credit for the offer i did at your casino but you said you will do what you can to get me the credit and i appreciate that....
this is a lousy situation for everyone involved... (


Also... JESTER IS SCYLINT??!?!? I figured it was you when I saw your paypal email address during our trade........ What i dont understand was why you were so suspicious of me during our trade when i have the highest feedback in congablast... (The trade was a success and i went green for you instantly but im not sure why you didnt trust me in the first place) very odd.....

[quote65135c423c="JUNIOR6886"]I hope in the future you will look deeper into the casinos you choose to affiliate yourself with. Its important to add new offers but its important to make sure no one gets screwed.[/quote65135c423c]

A world or rerearch can be done but owners still get screwed over from time to time...it happens...a owner can have 10/50 users cancel early and that particular affiliate wont pay up...thats just how it goes...its not the owner's responsibility to give away $$ if they are not getting paid.

[u65135c423c][b65135c423c]Example[/b65135c423c][/u65135c423c]
You are suppose to pay a guy $25 to go green on a site for you...he completes a offer....doesnt get credit...would you still pay him even though he didnt get you your green? Im sure you wouldn't

li(no personal attack intended...just wanted to show from a POV you may be able to understand)li

FON, please take a look at my post above yours and make sense of my situation. I [bec1dad8cce]did not[/bec1dad8cce] accept, receive, wager, or even look at any bonus money from Lasseter's. I [bec1dad8cce]have not[/bec1dad8cce] made any withdrawals from Lasseter's. I made a deposit, and wagered over $100. I abused nothing.

I dunno if Lasseter's saw that a few people were "bonus abusing" and denied you payment for ALL your current referrals or what. However, this doesn't explain why "2 people" weren't deemed "bonus abusers."

I dunno if you saw that Lasseter's was denying most of your referrals and you decided to deny all your users from that point. If there were 2 non-bonus abusers, I should most certainly be one of them.

Maybe you can pass my case along to Lasseter's and get it proven that I am a legitimate, solid referral who abused no rules, bonuses, or anything else. In fact, I am [bec1dad8cce]still[/bec1dad8cce] a legitimate Lasseter's customer with money still in my account.

Well, from personal experiance...

I did both offers and supposedly I was a "bonus abuser" as well. I signed up, put $50 into both sites and LOST ALL MY MONEY!

There was $100 just handed to their casinos. This network is just shady business. [EDIT] - So there's no confusion. I meant the casino network, not CCU.

This is just a hard place because of how shady the casino is. I agree that the users that compelted it DID do their side of the bargain and should be paid, but I can't expect FON to shill out a $700 for something like this. You can't really compare it to other incentive sites because a green and $50 is a bit different.

I do, however, find it funny that Jester chimes in like he's the voice of the people. Just wondering how many gifts your site has gotten you? You know, the one where someone posts a link to a new site and then you make everyone do an offer under you...

[quote335fb5ef10="JUNIOR6886"]Damn..... Im sure some people didnt make a profit playing at the casino and were counting on your payment to make up for what they lost.[/quote335fb5ef10]

I guess that's why they call it "gambling." It sucks that people aren't going to get credit for doing this and it really sucks if they lost money, but it IS gambling. Casinos are NOT in it to help others make money, they're in it to make themselves money. If it means screwing the little guy (in this case, FON and his users) then they will.

Such is life.

[quote9f0219b25c="JesterxXx"]OC even says that you will get credit when they pull offers as long as you followed the terms.[/quote9f0219b25c]

Well, just so you know...OfferCentric started promoting AusVegas and Lasseters around the time I did, and they too have just removed the offers. Lets see how they handle it...I can bet no one gets credit for their completions. Prove me wrong.

Just a crappy situation...Definitely can't expect FON to cover it...It doesn't seem right that a casino who took the risk of undergoing such an advertising campaign can just decide to not pay, whether or not the leads "came back and kept depositing".

Seems kind of messed up since FON makes a lot of money on this site, lots of these casinos pay out a lot more than the 50-75$ rewards he pays us. I understand him not giving credit to those revoked but to threaten to shut down seems messed up.

[quote6b421e4917="JOSHBOX"]Seems kind of messed up since FON makes a lot of money on this site, lots of these casinos pay out a lot more than the 50-75$ rewards he pays us. I understand him not giving credit to those revoked but to threaten to shut down seems messed up.[/quote6b421e4917]

Not that your statement is at all relevant...it's not a million-dollar enterprise, I can't just absorb losses left and right and stay afloat through it all.

Trying to put at least a little positive note here, can you tell us which casinos have regularly paid you and which you find to be most reliable? I am still interested in signing up for your site, but a little security in terms of solid casinos would be appreciated.

[quote5bd6db6388="lalalala"]Trying to put at least a little positive note here, can you tell us which casinos have regularly paid you and which you find to be most reliable? I am still interested in signing up for your site, but a little security in terms of solid casinos would be appreciated.[/quote5bd6db6388]

This is the first time I've had to deny an order at all, let alone deny multiple orders. All other casinos have paid regularly and on schedule, and there really haven't been any notable crediting issues with anyone but Absolute Poker (I have since removed the offer).

after seeing all these people win money from casinos, i might have to do it soon. sry bout the stuff that happened fon.

I just think this is funny only 2 weeks after all of ya'll were hating on mneipert about him taking advantage of you. When he PAYED the deposit upfront and you still had $20 dollars left over.

He took a hit for over 500 dollars, and didn't even say one word about it either. all of ya'll still have you're 40 from him on that.

[quotebb8ecb27a5="lalalala"]wolfeman, the bonus is from the casino. So consider this

Casinocashunlimited says Deposit $50, wager $100, earn $75.

You go to the casino, depsoit $50, receive a 100% bonus deposit, and with your total of $100 place one bet on a hand of blackjack.

You have bet $100, therefore according to casinocashunlimited you should recieve $75.

It is worth noting I, like justinag, was contemplating doing these offers but HAVE NOT. So I don't have anything personal at stake, just calling it like I see it.[/quotebb8ecb27a5]

All that the requirements for a Freepay offer are sign up for this offer. So you sign up, get instant credit, and cancel it 2 min. later. You did what it said but should you still get credit? You are taking advantage and thats why the offer got taken away...

[quote2350161b14="justinag06"]I just think this is funny only 2 weeks after all of ya'll were hating on mneipert about him taking advantage of you. When he PAYED the deposit upfront and you still had $20 dollars left over.

He took a hit for over 500 dollars, and didn't even say one word about it either. all of ya'll still have you're 40 from him on that.[/quote2350161b14]

And 6 of the 13 people who did AusVegas/Lasseters on CasinoCashUnlimited have their $75. Just because I didn't pay for users to deposit (ENTIRELY against the affiliate agreement, mneipert wasn't even approved to offer incentives), doesn't mean I didn't pay upfront. I get paid monthly, around the 15th of each month, thus I was actually "fronting" EVERYONE, assuming that their completions were legitimate. All in all, I took a greater risk than he did...and I followed the rules.

SITUATIONAL DEVELOPMENT The affiliate network has done to OfferCentric, and FreeTech4Me exactly what it has done to me. It looks like the blame is ENTIRELY on the casinos and not at all on the users. I apologize for misplacing blame. I'm now left to wonder if they EVER payout, or if they just do this to everyone.

[quote9efa4b5a96="Wolfeman"][quote9efa4b5a96="lalalala"]wolfeman, the bonus is from the casino. So consider this

Casinocashunlimited says Deposit $50, wager $100, earn $75.

You go to the casino, depsoit $50, receive a 100% bonus deposit, and with your total of $100 place one bet on a hand of blackjack.

You have bet $100, therefore according to casinocashunlimited you should recieve $75.

It is worth noting I, like justinag, was contemplating doing these offers but HAVE NOT. So I don't have anything personal at stake, just calling it like I see it.[/quote9efa4b5a96]

All that the requirements for a Freepay offer are sign up for this offer. So you sign up, get instant credit, and cancel it 2 min. later. You did what it said but should you still get credit? You are taking advantage and thats why the offer got taken away...[/quote9efa4b5a96]

Actually canceling after two minutes would be a violation of the terms of service. And what the hell do you mean taking advantage, people wouldnt be signing up for casino offers if they werent trying to take advantage of the situation.

Anyway, as we have now seen it seems that the casinos are to blame, as they will exploit any reason they can think of to not pay affiliates. In a more fair scenario, if these casinos truly thought that they were not getting what they were seeking from an affiliate, they would pay up to lets say today, and then end the agreement. It is completely unethical to say, "well we had an agreement but I dont like the way in which you held up your end, even though you held up your end, so I wont go through with my end."

Now if terms were set prior to the agreement, say if X% of your referrals don't reup their account, then you will not be paid, that is a different story. Although we can call see no such agreement was made in this case.

I suppose people who are going to use CCU will simply have to deal with a lesser payout potential in order to deal with trustworthy casinos. If these casinos have solid customer service, a good interface, and everything else you might want then they should not have a problem attracting business, even from sites such as CCU.

2 Pennies.

I see now its the casino but if you sign up for a site, deposit $50, get $50 bonus, bet $100, never play again, that is the same as canceling an offer 2 min. after you sign up. If you don't take the bonus, its a different story...

[quote2d21e04bc8="Wolfeman"]I see now its the casino but if you sign up for a site, deposit $50, get $50 bonus, bet $100, never play again, that is the same as canceling an offer 2 min. after you sign up. If you don't take the bonus, its a different story...[/quote2d21e04bc8]

ok....have you ever even done casinos? Please shut up before you provide users with a wrong impression of how they should approach them.

preface [i2d21e04bc8]I've made $3000 at casinos/poker through bonuses and profit since september 1st starting with a $100 neteller deposit[/i2d21e04bc8]

hey im going to walk into walmart and buy something on sale...but pay full price, im not going to take the sale.

its a fucking bonus its there to draw in players, why wouldnt you take it?

I don't understand your method, I guess you plan on profiting 25 dollars per casino?

you see casinos offer bonuses to draw in players.

some are withdrawable

some are not

all come with restrictions set by the casinos

they do not have to offer bonuses

there is no law that says so

they choose to

we deposit

recieve bonus they give us

gamble ammount they tell us

then cash out when we want to

what about that do you not get?


by the way, ive completed bonuses at over 10 different casinos, maybe more im not sure. I always cash out when i meet requirements, and ive never been called a "bonus abuser"

in fact all of the casinos frequently put more money into my account and invite me back for...get this more free bonuses!

How much did you pay gratis for your free ipod by the way?

Why 6, and what's the pattern for those 6? Is it just the first 6 that completed it? It's obviously not that the other 7 "abused bonuses."

/prepares to be ignored again roll

And for everyone that isn't even remotely involved in this and just in here to argue about how this situation relates to Gratis (why you're even wasting your time talking about this, I don't know) you're just clogging up this thread with useless nonsense. Please leave it to the people that actually have a reason to post here other than to get into a pissing match.

FON, please stop ignoring your users who did nothing wrong. The least you can do is maintain contact with Aus/Lasseter's and try to work it out. Prove your case. We (the legit, nonabusers) can provide any info and proof and I'm sure we're all willing to do so. See if we can at least get them to pay up on what they currently owe before breaking off relations with them completely.

[quote1e50ae9950="FreeOffersNow"]
And 6 of the 13 people who did AusVegas/Lasseters on CasinoCashUnlimited have their $75. Just because I didn't pay for users to deposit (ENTIRELY against the affiliate agreement, mneipert wasn't even approved to offer incentives), doesn't mean I didn't pay upfront. I get paid monthly, around the 15th of each month, thus I was actually "fronting" EVERYONE, assuming that their completions were legitimate. All in all, I took a greater risk than he did...and I followed the rules.
[/quote1e50ae9950]

acctually I was wrong, his hit was 1500 not 500. I see what you mean by the hit now.

I'll take back what i said earlier, still think it was kinda a dick move to hate on mneipert like that though

Justin is right, these casinos put up their own set of rules, and they should abide by them. Don't want bonus abusers? DON'T GIVE USERS A BONUS. They want best of both worlds, they want the users that a bonus may draw in, but don't want to pay come cash out time.

Not sure how I could be a bonus abuser because I denied the bonusand wagered a lot of money, and even talked to them about how I can deposit more money.

Maybe its because I cashed out $100

[quoted1bfb3bc44="Wolfeman"]I see now its the casino but if you sign up for a site, deposit $50, get $50 bonus, bet $100, never play again, that is the same as canceling an offer 2 min. after you sign up. If you don't take the bonus, its a different story...[/quoted1bfb3bc44]

Very poor analogy, I'd expand but justin has already summed it up nicely.

And as I said before, which ajrock echoed, it seems to me as if NO TERMS OF SERVICE were violated on any end. In that case, the casino should pay up and then if it chooses to end its agreement so be it. As far as I'm concerned, this is a breach of contract.

also keep in mind the two differences here

"bonus" and "affiliate"


I'm sure no one had any problem with their bonus at the site, even if I would have done the casino I doubt I would have lost money either, I'm sure I would have probably profited from the bonus in fact.

Casinos want their affilates to provide profitable players, so this isnt so unlikly especailly if OC and is taking a hit from them too. The casino just expected bigger gamblers then they got, and wasnt prepared for bonus whores like us.

All affilates say if they dont like the quality of your leads we can shut you down, somewhere in their terms of service.


props for FON for handling the situation as professional as possible I guess.

[quote9fa631ea5a="Sonofshoe"]Not sure how I could be a bonus abuser because I denied the bonusand wagered a lot of money, and even talked to them about how I can deposit more money.

Maybe its because I cashed out $100[/quote9fa631ea5a]

exactly, they arent prepared to pay money to affilates for players that won money. that's all it comes down to.

They're just mad because I took $700 of their money

[quote312afd53d4="lalalala"][quote312afd53d4="Wolfeman"]I see now its the casino but if you sign up for a site, deposit $50, get $50 bonus, bet $100, never play again, that is the same as canceling an offer 2 min. after you sign up. If you don't take the bonus, its a different story...[/quote312afd53d4]

Very poor analogy, I'd expand but justin has already summed it up nicely.

And as I said before, which ajrock echoed, it seems to me as if NO TERMS OF SERVICE were violated on any end. In that case, the casino should pay up and then if it chooses to end its agreement so be it. As far as I'm concerned, this is a breach of contract.[/quote312afd53d4]

Its not an analogy, its what someone said they did. I agree the casino should pay but if people are going to do this, there will be no more of those offers where you deposit $50, play $100, get $75...

[quoteb4511e52f6="FreeOffersNow"]
Well, just so you know...OfferCentric started promoting AusVegas and Lasseters around the time I did, and they too have just removed the offers. Lets see how they handle it...I can bet no one gets credit for their completions. Prove me wrong.[/quoteb4511e52f6]

Please dont get mad or anything, but just as a point, the free4me network is honoring all completions, even if they themselves dont get credit.

Regardless, I almost dont support this. I understand site owners risk alot on thses sites, and I hate to see them lose all profits on their hard earned money from something like this.

I would have been happy simply getting $50 back (my deposit), I am realy surised to get full credit.

Mike

[quote8866216a73="kevxross"]Why 6, and what's the pattern for those 6? Is it just the first 6 that completed it? It's obviously not that the other 7 "abused bonuses."

/prepares to be ignored again roll

And for everyone that isn't even remotely involved in this and just in here to argue about how this situation relates to Gratis (why you're even wasting your time talking about this, I don't know) you're just clogging up this thread with useless nonsense. Please leave it to the people that actually have a reason to post here other than to get into a pissing match.

FON, please stop ignoring your users who did nothing wrong. The least you can do is maintain contact with Aus/Lasseter's and try to work it out. Prove your case. We (the legit, nonabusers) can provide any info and proof and I'm sure we're all willing to do so. See if we can at least get them to pay up on what they currently owe before breaking off relations with them completely.[/quote8866216a73]

The 6 that received payment were simply the first to complete the offer and place their order(s). Again, I'm not calling anyone a "bonus abuser," this is the term the casino used to describe the players I referred. I assure you that I am doing everything in my power to rectify the situation. The thing is, I have correspondence from them saying I'd be paid in full if the casinos decided they weren't satisfied with the quality of players referred from CasinoCashUnlimited.com...so I have some ammo, but they are based in Australia so we've got several hours before I'll even be in contact with them.

[quote8866216a73="mikedb"]Please dont get mad or anything, but just as a point, the free4me network is honoring all completions, even if they themselves dont get credit. [/quote8866216a73]

There is a fundamental difference in our business models...Free4Me is referral based and thus will not take a "direct" hit from crediting; I would take a $75 hit for each credit applied.

no, this site was freetech4me, a paypal- based site, without referrals, and they also paid me $75

I do want to reiterate, thoguh, that I support your position.

I just got an email from the bastards offering a $100 bonus on a second deposit roll

[quote4499a7bad1]We noticed you have not yet made a second deposit and we don't want you to miss out on your USli$100 Bonus! Simply make your next deposit and you will receive a 50% bonus of up to USli$100![/quote4499a7bad1]
It's been a whole [b4499a7bad1]two days[/b4499a7bad1] since I've been a member and made my first deposit. Plus I still have $55 in my account anyway. I must be trying to scam them since I haven't yet made a 2nd deposit...

[quote4499a7bad1]Why not try your luck and take advantage of this offer today! Be sure to visit our Promotions Page for all of the details. [/quote4499a7bad1]
Because if I tried to "take advantage" of this offer I'd be deemed a "bonus abuser." roll

[quotecb5a278652="kevxross"]I just got an email from the bastards offering a $100 bonus on a second deposit roll

[quotecb5a278652]We noticed you have not yet made a second deposit and we don't want you to miss out on your USli$100 Bonus! Simply make your next deposit and you will receive a 50% bonus of up to USli$100![/quotecb5a278652]
It's been a whole [bcb5a278652]two days[/bcb5a278652] since I've been a member and made my first deposit. Plus I still have $55 in my account anyway. I must be trying to scam them since I haven't yet made a 2nd deposit...

[quotecb5a278652]Why not try your luck and take advantage of this offer today! Be sure to visit our Promotions Page for all of the details. [/quotecb5a278652]
Because if I tried to "take advantage" of this offer I'd be deemed a "bonus abuser." roll[/quotecb5a278652]

I will discuss this with the affiliate manager tonight. He's in the office, I'm just waiting for him to respond.

FON, As mentioned, I never had a problem with you specificly. But the sittuation and the way you worded your post seemed shady (the whole "you all brought this on yourselves") came off wrong to me. As you have now said that was not what you were trying to get accross I don't have as much of a problem with it. And although I can definitely see where you are coming from and how hard it would hit you to cover the cost yourself, I do know that OC and freepay "bite the bullet" sometimes. But in your case it seems the only thing you can really do is fight as hard as you can to get them to pay up and if not then not much you can do. Maybe having the actual players contact them as a last resort could help too?


JUNIOR6886, I never had an issue trusting you in our trade and I even said so. But I wanted to plan out what would happen if there was a problem going green since I hate paying in advance for a green. As you can see here (http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?p=165172&highlight=#165172) I have been burned quite a few times by paying in advance so I am more careful about planning the "terms" before hand on cash trades where I have to pay first. Reread the pms and you should see that ;).



bballp6699, Not sure at all how that has anything to do with anything. The site I have spent quite a bit of time and money building up has helped me along with many others. Sure I have done quite well but there was/is quite a bit of effort involved too. And regardless, I always try to stand up for "the people" when it seems like people are getting ripped off. If you follow my post at all on the various sites, I jump into a lot of the site scammer threads (not saying this is one now BTW) and spam my opinions and such. Is there another reason you are bitter towards me?

[b2e6080a2ea]GOOD NEWS!![/b2e6080a2ea]

I've just finished "negotiations" with the affiliate manager, and all denied orders have been approved once again. There will a slightly longer wait for these orders to be fulfilled, but hey...its the best I can do. Thank you to everyone who supported me through all of this!!

Needless to say I will not be dealing with AusVegas/Lasseters in the future.

Awesome, thanks FON!

Excellent. Thanks FON.

It was funny to log into CCU and see that my claim status for Lasseter's is now "Payment sent" even though the casions I did before Lasseter's are still pending. I'm guessing this is just because you switched the status from denied.

When are you expecting to send payments?

[quote7cd6350b81="kevxross"]It was funny to log into CCU and see that my claim status for Lasseter's is now "Payment sent" even though the casions I did before Lasseter's are still pending. I'm guessing this is just because you switched the status from denied. [/quote7cd6350b81]

Whoops! Will revert status to Pending shortly. Thanks.


[quote7cd6350b81="Sonofshoe"]When are you expecting to send payments?[/quote7cd6350b81]

Should be during the first week of November.

That is good news, congrats. And good job not letting them screw you and the users!

Now if i could get credit for reef club casino it will be a happy ending for all.... D

[quote98c13cbf1b="ajrock2000"]Just a crappy situation...Definitely can't expect FON to cover it...It doesn't seem right that a casino who took the risk of undergoing such an advertising campaign can just decide to not pay, whether or not the leads "came back and kept depositing".[/quote98c13cbf1b]

Sounds like they used a prepaid CC.

lol



Grats everyone about getting it figured out.

[quote0e0708b506="JesterxXx"]
bballp6699, Not sure at all how that has anything to do with anything. The site I have spent quite a bit of time and money building up has helped me along with many others. Sure I have done quite well but there was/is quite a bit of effort involved too. And regardless, I always try to stand up for "the people" when it seems like people are getting ripped off. If you follow my post at all on the various sites, I jump into a lot of the site scammer threads (not saying this is one now BTW) and spam my opinions and such. Is there another reason you are bitter towards me?[/quote0e0708b506]

I think you abuse your users for your own benefit. Why not let the first person that posts the link get the first spot on the conga? Why, because you're greedy and could care less about your users. Do you think you spend any more money on your site then the owner of FIG spends here? He simply takes donations like any other site owner would do. To say that the prizes and money you've gained from your site is nothing compared to the fees you pay is just udder shit and a bold face lie.

I just find it ironic that you pop in here talking about "the right thing".

Scylint has helped lots of other people get their free stuff too (me included) Congablast was the first site that REALLY helped me to get my first free gift.... Scylint didnt just design a "ZOMG use my reflink"
site. He created a forum in which people can trade and pay for refs so they can get their free stuff without beggings friends and family members.
Scylint has done a few things i disagree with but he's basically a good guy....

FON - Well played. Enough said.

[quotef272409d2f="bballp6699"]I think you abuse your users for your own benefit. Why not let the first person that posts the link get the first spot on the conga? Why, because you're greedy and could care less about your users. Do you think you spend any more money on your site then the owner of FIG spends here? He simply takes donations like any other site owner would do. To say that the prizes and money you've gained from your site is nothing compared to the fees you pay is just udder shit and a bold face lie.

I just find it ironic that you pop in here talking about "the right thing".[/quotef272409d2f]

I know I have stated my opinion on this before, but I have to agree with bball on this one. I could see maybe being on top of the freepay congas, but you also hoard offercentric, trainn, and even some of the smaller sites. This does not give me the impression that you care about your users or community. I am not knocking your personality at all, I think you are an extremely nice guy, but then again, I would also be extra nice to people if it kept them coming back and signing up for me under every conga. anyways...

[quote4f462e8176="JUNIOR6886"]Scylint has helped lots of other people get their free stuff too (me included) Congablast was the first site that REALLY helped me to get my first free gift.... Scylint didnt just design a "ZOMG use my reflink"
site. He created a forum in which people can trade and pay for refs so they can get their free stuff without beggings friends and family members.
Scylint has done a few things i disagree with but he's basically a good guy....[/quote4f462e8176]

Sure he's helped people get their prizes, but do you think he gives a shit if the second person on the conga gets his 15 refs when he's typing from his new laptop that his users got him...?

lol, why does everyone feel it necessary to discuss it anywhere but on the site. As I have stated many times, I am open to suggestions and constructive criticism and have no problem with the actual members discussing it in the open forums. But no one ever bothers to start that convo to see how the rest of the members feel and instead just go around complaining ?. Have I ever banned anyone for having an opinion I didn't agree with?

I have never said that the cost of the sites or the work involved running it was so much that I had to have top spots on the congas. I am sure any other site owner that gets decent traffic can tell you that it doesn't cost all that much to run...Do you honestly think FIG or A4F cost that much either? Both of them sell ad space on the homepage and probably make a decent chunk from that. I don't sell that space but instead cover my cost and am enticed by getting help for my freebies (I do still get many outside referrals on my own BTW). Most of the members that have actually posted about it say they don't mind the arrangement even when I tell them it is fine to be honest. It's not "abuse" or taking advantage of people if the majority feel it is fair and justified. I still invite you to discuss it on the open forum and see what everyone thinks but don't really feel comfortable using bos' site to discuss my own even to answer the claims. So if it actually means anything to you then feel free to start a topic there with your opinions ;).

bballp6699, are you baseballdan?

[quotef6f28f300a="JesterxXx"]bballp6699, are you baseballdan?[/quotef6f28f300a]

OMG there is no way. baseballdan was mildy retarded. There is no way he could stay unbanned here. We weren't nearly as strict on GL and he was imprissoned like 4 times and then perma-banned...

I don't talk about it on your forum because I dont have an account on your forum...

I've always just thought the way you run your site is unfair. Then you come on here and talk about FON's business. Seems a bit hypocritical to me...

No, I'm not baseballdan. No idea who that is.

[quote0b80e271b8="JesterxXx"]lol, why does everyone feel it necessary to discuss it anywhere but on the site. As I have stated many times, I am open to suggestions and constructive criticism and have no problem with the actual members discussing it in the open forums. But no one ever bothers to start that convo to see how the rest of the members feel and instead just go around complaining ?. Have I ever banned anyone for having an opinion I didn't agree with? [/quote0b80e271b8]

It's been talked about on your site before...Check out the notebook4free conga, when blurrz had the same thoughts...

[quoteecbb57e274="ajrock2000"][quoteecbb57e274="JesterxXx"]lol, why does everyone feel it necessary to discuss it anywhere but on the site. As I have stated many times, I am open to suggestions and constructive criticism and have no problem with the actual members discussing it in the open forums. But no one ever bothers to start that convo to see how the rest of the members feel and instead just go around complaining ?. Have I ever banned anyone for having an opinion I didn't agree with? [/quoteecbb57e274]

It's been talked about on your site before...Check out the notebook4free conga, when blurrz had the same thoughts...[/quoteecbb57e274]yes there have been post here and there and even a thread in the open talk forum but been a while since there was any real discussion about it. Again, if it really bothers you and you want to see how other members feel, feel free to start a topic about it there. A couple people posting random thoughts in random threads (or on other sites) won't help real discussions ;)


bballp6699, not sure how it's the same. Just because I "try to protect" against scam sites that screw people doesn't mean I am a hypocrite. Just look at the most recent network (blazefree) that went down and screwed a bunch of people...I was pissed about that too. People invested time and money and then the owner decides they don't want to do it anymore and everyone loses out. Sure there are times when I site loses funds and needs to shut down but most of the ones we have seen have been flat out sketchy moves. My site on the other hand, everyone knows the score and realizes I will probably be on top of most of the congas and accept that. It's not the only site that has the admin (or admins) at the top and I can only think of a couple that don't. And I should have realized you were not baseballdan...the names were just close. You are lucky for not knowing who he is ;)

[quoted4774a324e="JesterxXx"]I will probably be on top of most of the congas and accept that. It's not the only site that has the admin (or admins) at the top and I can only think of a couple that don't. [/quoted4774a324e]

Name those sites...I can only think of one, and the site was sold, and isn't used for Congas anymore.

[quote34a87ef665="doylnea"][quote34a87ef665="JesterxXx"]I will probably be on top of most of the congas and accept that. It's not the only site that has the admin (or admins) at the top and I can only think of a couple that don't. [/quote34a87ef665]

Name those sites...I can only think of one, and the site was sold, and isn't used for Congas anymore.[/quote34a87ef665]FA (actually has 3 admins on top)
EOC

and at leats one other that I think has died off since.

Whats EOC?

I can understand that your site costs money and you would like some sort of profit for a successful site. However, why do you have to be on top of EVERYTHING? Do you really need to get every Freepay item before everyone else? I think the users on your site is what made it so successful and to me, it just seems like that doesn't matter to you.

I've never heard of those sites you listed. They probably are ran by greedy 14 year old kids and are home to about 5 members.

Well FA(FreebieAuthority) is quite big actually.

EOC? whats that?

Anyways why did you make a conga for camcorders requiring 11 refs
when the nano conga is all but dead and it only required 5 refs. Its obvious that IN GENERAL the members of congablast were too scared of the offers of doom to make ANY OC conga popular. Yet you decided to make a Camorder and Plasma conga with ref ammounts of 11 and 10

what were you thinking evil

Ive been a member of congablast for over 8 months and one thing ive noticed is that i havent seen you flame anyone no matter what critisim you get... get ANGRY already wink lol

If he flames he puts his members coming back and signing up for him at risk. )

lol, I have "flamed" in the past at differnt people when they are not at least constructive and just want to cause trouble ;). I've even given "guilt trips" when I saw things that bothered me (ask aj ;)).

Honestly guys, I am pretty open and laidback and always open to suggestions...as I have always said. None of you seem too worried about speaking your mind in public so you shouldn't be afraid to discuss it on the site...go make a topic in the open talk forum and see what others think. I honestly don't feel comfortable discussing it here like this and I doubt bos wants me discussing your issues with my site on his site, and I doubt FON really wants this in his thread lol (Sorry to both BTW). So please, if you actually care about it and want to be constructive feel free to take any of your questions/comments/suggestions and opinions and discuss it where it should be done ;).

What's with the fuss? All of you complaining would do the same thing if you could (put yourself at the top of a conga if you can). He runs his site so he can do whatever the fuck he wants. If you don't like his site, don't use it.

(I don't know him or his site.)

I wouldn't put myself on the top of EVERY conga. I also stated earlier that I don't have an account on his site. I just think his post against FON is ironic. That's what started this.

Yeah if I ran a conga site I'd put myself on top too. I mean he has to run the conga, pay for the servers, maintain the site, and he helps other people get refs. I'd do the same thing...

It was only brought up because he came here defending the people about CCU.

[quote2f259397d0="Wolfeman"]Yeah if I ran a conga site I'd put myself on top too. I mean he has to run the conga, pay for the servers, maintain the site, and he helps other people get refs. I'd do the same thing...[/quote2f259397d0]

I ran the original Conga site (I came up with the idea) and the costs and time you're talking about are pretty low. I was at the top of a few Congas and we very early on changed to a system where members / users were placed at the top depending on how often they had contributed to the site; ie completing offers for others, posting helpful information and comments etc.

It never seemed fair or equitable to put myself (or other admins / mods) at the top of the Congas. If you can recruit a few helpful, knowledgeable and patient mods, there's never too much work for ANY individual person because it's all spread around. I always considered any costs to me (hosting, servers etc) as tithes for getting a couple of things for free.

[quoted59bcd4b6c="bballp6699"]I wouldn't put myself on the top of EVERY conga. I also stated earlier that I don't have an account on his site. I just think his post against FON is ironic. That's what started this.[/quoted59bcd4b6c]
I would, but yeah, I understand what you're saying. Anyway, FON seemed to do a good job of coming through for his customers although his initial tone was harsh and we mind as well leave it at that.

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Feel free to start another discussion about how un/fair CongaBlast is, but quite frankly CongaBlast has nothing to do with CasinoCashUnlimited. Thanks guys.