AMD and Intel..im confused..

Can someone explain to me the dif. between AMD and Intel Running frequencys? Like, how good is 2.2ghz on an AMD compared to 3ghz on an Intel? I dont get the ratio...

It depends on what type the Athlon is. For example, my Athlon 64-bit 3400+ runs around 3.2GHz Intel wise. Although my Athlon is officially 2.2GHz, it is able to run many more processes than an Intel and thus is compared to a 3.2GHz. Athlon XP, however, would be lower since it is 32-bit. What CPUs are you trying to compare?

What does this equal-

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ with Hypertransport Tech.

[quote979403771a="Gatita"]What does this equal-

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ with Hypertransport Tech.[/quote979403771a]

Well that is the around 3.0ghz intel and the Hypertransport Tech means its 1000 fsb i think it may be internal fsb i am not sure.

usually when you read an amd name you can add 3 decimals to it to see how it compares to an intel. IE 3000+ = 3.0Ghz | 3200+ = 3.2Ghz

Its not 100% but its pretty close, i dont think this type of comparison is as valid in dual core cpus though.

This is how it all works.

AMD 3000+ runs at 1.8ghz, but it can do more calcs per clock. A intel 3000mhz can do less calcs per clock. Both process at the same speed. AMD is a cheaper and better CPU for gaming, and is usually what is placed into DIY comps.

AMD has a new type of FSB called HTT, it is used on the new socket 754 and socket 939 processors. Or just the AMD 64's. This HTT (FSB) is 200mhz. AMD cant use DDR2 ram, but it uses DDR400 or better ram. DDR does calcs on the up and down of the binary frequancies. This just means it does 2 calcs per freq. The up and down are lehman for rising and falling edges. A binary signal looks like this in theory _|-|_|-|_. The - is suppose to be on top ). But in reality it is much harder for the comp to recoginize all that and is easier to recoginize the rising and falling edges. Because the signal is degraded and looks more analogie, more curved on the sharp edges. So DDR ram doesnt operate at 400mhz, it is really 200mhz. That means a FSB of 200mhz operates at ram at 200mhz (400mhz is what is advertised). You can place mem dividers and shit if you up the FSB on the CPU (overclocking), and you can up the mhz of the ram (overclocking). That causes errors, so you up the voltage, that causes heat so you get watercooling or a better fan or dry ice or a AC unit or something else LOL. Oh yeah pc3200 = DDR400, and it goes up.

All you really need to know though is a AMD 3000+ is equal to a 3000mhz Intel. And FSB does not matter on AMDs.

PS HTT = Hyper Transport Technology. The HTBus is 1000mhz or 800mhz, and you can adjust the LDT/HTT ratio to up and down that. That speed doesnt really matter because even at a ratio of 11 (200mhz) nothing is affected.

PSS That is kinda of a short discription on how it works, and can be expanded if you want to know more just check out overclocking forums like http//www.dfi-street.com or extremesystems.org or places like that. DFI is a mobo company that makes great mobos.

Intel bitches

Cause im looking on New egg at an AMD 64 bit and it says Operating Frequency 2.2ghz and its 3700

Also, they have those new Dual processors..if im building a new comp, which i am, would it be wise to stretch for the Dual Processors or just stick wit the AMD 64 X or whatever..im looking for hardcore top of the line AMD for Desktops..

just wait a little bit. Intel will destroy AMD

For the price right now, i would get a good AMD 64 chip (+4000 or higher is you really want power). But get a chipset that will accept dual-core processors (939.) I just got the 64 bit 3500+ with the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe and love it.

[quote1ee1465d5a="Matt8789"]Cause im looking on New egg at an AMD 64 bit and it says Operating Frequency 2.2ghz and its 3700

Also, they have those new Dual processors..if im building a new comp, which i am, would it be wise to stretch for the Dual Processors or just stick wit the AMD 64 X or whatever..im looking for hardcore top of the line AMD for Desktops..[/quote1ee1465d5a]

X2's are not the greatest right now. The Venice 3000+ is what I have and I oced it to 2339mhz on stock cooling with no voltage change, which is easy to do. I would go with the Venice 3000+ and OC it because it is cheap, and video card is what you need to worry about on a gaming computer. Save your money for a 7800GTX, because that is going to hurt your pocketbook. The x2s need to be programmed for the dual cores, and no new games are. Also im not even sure about the performance impact but from all benchmarks it is a small 4-6% while dual tasking, which is nothing. CPU is not what you need to worry about on a gaming computer, get good ram and a good video card. A good mobo and PSU is nice too. PSU should be around 80-90$, and a mobo 100-130$.


Intel is wayy too expensive, and does not perform the abilities that the AMD cpu does.

[quotec068050139="good2speed"]just wait a little bit. Intel will destroy AMD[/quotec068050139]

ROFLMAO Intel cant do shit. Hell, Intel GAVE AMD there cpu layout design way back. Wintel for the lose IMO.

Is you get a SLI board, you can combine two identical video cards to act as one. That is what i will do. I bought a 6600gt card, and will buy another when they drop a bit.

And do go with a Venice core. Everything i have read, they are the better ones.

[quotec1850b6842="Peinecone"]For the price right now, i would get a good AMD 64 chip (+4000 or higher is you really want power). But get a chipset that will accept dual-core processors (939.) I just got the 64 bit 3500+ with the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe and love it.[/quotec1850b6842]


s939 is a definate GET, it has the dual mem chip on the CPU. That means that you can have dual channel. And you support future sockets. I really wouldnt suggest spending the money to get a 4000+, but the AMD FX-55 is the best CPU out right now. The FX series unlocks the CPU multiplier. So one of thoose and a good vaporchange cooling system and you can overclock really well.

[quote089ad538bb="Peinecone"]Is you get a SLI board, you can combine two identical video cards to act as one. That is what i will do. I bought a 6600gt card, and will buy another when they drop a bit.

And do go with a Venice core. Everything i have read, they are the better ones.[/quote089ad538bb]

Venice is the best, it has SSE3 command set, and can overclock a lot better then the winnies. SLi is not the best solution, so you dont have to get a SLi board. I also have a 6600GT on a modded SLi board, but will never get dual ones because you can just upgrade to a better solution by selling the 6600GT and geting a better card. SLi should not be used unless you have a 21"+ monitor, with a ton of cash. Why 21"+? Because SLi is only good for high resolutions, like above 1600x1200. Anything less does not utilize the SLi. SLi is just a big advertising fad, kinda like 64bit processing but it actually has some uses ).

I know nothing about AMD processors so where would i go to find a 64 FX processer with this Venice you speak of?

On Newegg, the Venice for 150 but it doesnt say FX and it says Operating Frequency 1.8..thats this computer now and i DEFFINATELY dont want that..

[quote5e778cc9f5="Matt8789"]On Newegg, the Venice for 150 but it doesnt say FX and it says Operating Frequency 1.8..thats this computer now and i DEFFINATELY dont want that..[/quote5e778cc9f5]

Like I said the 1.8ghz doesnt really matter. I upgraded from my 1800+ computer to this 3000+ venice, and trust me there is a HUGE differance. The up in frequency is only a little party about a computer, espically on AMDs. AMD s939 has dual memory adapters so they can access two ram chips at once, making it faster then the older CPUs. Also if you have a 1.8ghz Intel, that is not equivelent to a 1.8ghz AMD. That is equivelent to a AMD XP 1800+, that is a old CPU. Even the BEST CPU out on the market the AMD-FX57 is 2.8ghz. People have overclocked the 3000+ to that speed, and beyond. Tons of people have overclocked the 3000+ to 2.7ghz.

CPU speed means very little while playing games these days, and you should really only get a better CPU over GFX card if you are going to calculate pi all day. Or maybe primes ).

Venice just means the core codename. There is others, like winchester and san diego and such. But Venice is the best for the 3200+ and 3000+ cores. I was suggesting you go with this one http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537 (AMD64 3000+ Venice). Because it is cheap, and a good CPU. You can overclock it on the stock settings to around a 3400+ if you want to go that option. Now AMD FX series is a differant series that fits in the same sockets, but is really expensive. The FX series is for people who like to waste money to optain the best out there, and the FX series does that. It is a good overclocker, but you have to buy better cooling systems to cool it properly to get thoose high overclocks. Here is two links ( http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103496 , and http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103527 ). Im not sure which one is better on thoose. I would suggest you get the 3000+, or a 3500+ and buy a good graphics card like http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130237 , or any other 7800 GTX type card out on the market. Now for mother boards if you want to learn a lot about overclocking and about computers through that, I would suggest the DFI SLi-DR or the DFi Ultra-D. Both motherboards run on the NF4 chipset, which is the best chipset for motherboards. Link to the DFI SLi-DR ( http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136157 ). The Asus-A8N is also a highly rated motherboard, which is also NF4. Link ( http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131517 ).

Hope that helps.

You think i should spend my budget on one big HDD weither ATA or risk it (like iv tried before) with SATA or split it between 2 HDD and use RAID which iv never done before

Definetaly go SATA, I suggest the Maxtor Diamondmax 10 series 300gig SATA II NCQ 16mB cache. That is what I currently have, actually I have 2 and a PATA raid made up of a 160 and 120 ). They are 130$ right now and are a really good price ). It is not SATA II 300mB/s bandwidth but no HDD can use that much so it doesnt matter. It has SATA II NCQ which is nice, but really just a ad thing. The Raptors are the best but they are wayy too much and very small.

If you use RAID you would use RAID-0 which makes your HDDs a little faster (although some say there is no differance in games) it places a load onto your CPU because you will be using Software and not Hardware RAID technology. (Hardware RAIDs cost 800$+). You double your chance of your files corrupting if you get 2 HDDs in a RAID-0 and one goes down you lose all the data on the other one too because of how RAID-0 works. JBOD wouldnt do that but you dont get any speed increase.

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+
2.39GHz 1.00 GB Ram

is equivalent in Pentium standard?

[quotec5adc322b1="stoogepid"]AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+
2.39GHz 1.00 GB Ram

is equivalent in Pentium standard?[/quotec5adc322b1]
About a 3.7 P4

[quote9f50a53446="good2speed"]just wait a little bit. Intel will destroy AMD[/quote9f50a53446]

are you stupid?

[quotef7f1b93410="CoMpFrEaK"][quotef7f1b93410="good2speed"]just wait a little bit. Intel will destroy AMD[/quotef7f1b93410]

are you stupid?[/quotef7f1b93410]

Haha..ill let you guys know what i plan on getting when i make my list..

i am thinking about selling my fairly new 6800gt so i can pick up one of those badass 7800gtx's. i need to get some other things first (new case and watercooling). vid cards always change in price so that should be the last thing you buy. i bought my 6800gt maybe 3 months ago for 368 and now it is at 288 on newegg.

WC should be last priority.

Yeah, I've always wondered why amd doesn't tell you the actual speed, they just give you some weird model number.

[quote40823bc92c="board_styles"]Yeah, I've always wondered why amd doesn't tell you the actual speed, they just give you some weird model number.[/quote40823bc92c]
They do tell you the actual speed, it is just much lower than a comparable pentium. the model number (+3500) is a comparative number to a similiar pentium (3.5)

Yeah it says on the sticker in the top left of the box D. It does more clocks per cycle so it equals. You WOULD KNOW THIS IF YOU READ MY POST. But you did'nt, so you post here.


AMD > Intel, for almost everything, and whoever says differant is retarded.