More fun with 4nocash and Joshy-poo

Here's tonight's conversation with Josh

(203922) Josh4NoCash Hey
(20392Cool Josh4NoCash Wood is a really shitty admin just FTYI
(203936) Josh4NoCash Because the info he posted is out-and-out false
(20500Cool Josh4NoCash has gone away.
(205019) fipg admin he's a mod, not an admin
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(20511Cool Josh4NoCash is no longer away.
(205125) Josh4NoCash well its poor moderation on FIPG's part
(20512Cool Josh4NoCash regardless of his status
(205137) Josh4NoCash he represents FIPG and he did so horribly
(205145) fipg admin i guess we'll have to agree to disagree then
(205149) Josh4NoCash i guess so
(205213) fipg admin patrons of your sites have a right to know whats going on
(205229) fipg admin i'm sure it wasn't 100% precise
(205233) fipg admin but something's up, clearly
(205236) Josh4NoCash i was 0% preceise
(205240) Josh4NoCash and it wasnt his place to release such news
(205250) Josh4NoCash they have a right to know whats going on and i will tell them
(205305) Josh4NoCash you dont need some retard releasing false shit and defaming my business
(205310) Josh4NoCash not a damn excuse for that either
(20531Cool fipg admin if you say so
(205321) Josh4NoCash yes i do say so
(205325) Josh4NoCash and im pissed incase you ahvent noticed
(205332) fipg admin the way i see it, you shouldn't post sensitive information on a forum
(205334) fipg admin public or not
(20534Cool Josh4NoCash well im looking for a new owner
(205356) Josh4NoCash as a mod, he should have better sense of judgement
(205402) Josh4NoCash im canvasing a private forum for a new owner
(205414) Josh4NoCash rather this information falls int he hands of a mod who starts spreading bs
(205421) Josh4NoCash so your forum will be stuck with that image
(205436) fipg admin i'd be more upset if he sat on it
(205441) fipg admin and i don't think there are any image issues
(205452) fipg admin its your business that's getting hurt
(205456) fipg admin i'm not in a business
(205521) fipg admin these days i have nothing to gain if people join or leave
(205527) fipg admin and clearly the forum was not private
(205542) Josh4NoCash ok
(205545) fipg admin you'll notice i posted a disclaimer in wood's post
(205551) Josh4NoCash that doesnt do shit
(205556) Josh4NoCash your mod posted bs info
(205601) Josh4NoCash that reflects bad on your site
(205601) Josh4NoCash period
(205602) fipg admin whether or not it was accurate, all the info in the thread together lets people come to their own conclusions
(205604) fipg admin if you say so
(20560Cool fipg admin you saying that doesn't make it true
(20561Cool fipg admin you bailing on a 7 month old business makes YOUR SITE look bad
(205619) fipg admin not mine
(205630) fipg admin whether or not you attempt to make the transition seamless
(205633) Josh4NoCash dont turn this around on me
(205639) fipg admin or transfer ownership to a foul mouthed kid
(205639) Josh4NoCash YOUR the one who posted shitty info
(205641) fipg admin this is your issue
(205642) fipg admin no
(205651) Josh4NoCash well im not here to piss time away with you
(205652) fipg admin your site's changes, whatever they are, prompted all of this
(205656) Josh4NoCash your forum will look like shit
(205659) Josh4NoCash in the eyes of many
(205659) Josh4NoCash goodbye
(205717) fipg admin real professional on your part
(205919) Josh4NoCash http//www.4nocash.com/
(205921) Josh4NoCash Thats all you
(210157) fipg admin you see, you're only screwing yourself
(210206) fipg admin i have nothing to gain or lose if 1000 people join or leave my forums
(210210) Josh4NoCash goo
(210210) Josh4NoCash d
(21021Cool Josh4NoCash so were both fine then
(210220) fipg admin your business will take the hits from running a juvenile smear campaign
(21022Cool fipg admin glad to hear you care so much about your customers
(210252) Josh4NoCash haha yeah releasing news has nothing to do with caring about customers
(21025Cool Josh4NoCash but your moderator brought it on
(210425) fipg admin i think this conversation says enough about you as a person for most people to make their own decision
(210433) fipg admin have a nice night, i'm off to party

This guy doesn't understand anything about professionalism (let alone [b80009219be]integrity[/b80009219be])


Also, check out his website. I'm a star!

Happily Yours,
wood

Pretty funny how he says its 0% precise. Just shows the true colors of the owner.

I'm with Josh on this one. I think the information has been leaked and used against him in the wrong way. If he indeed transfers ownership successfully and I will get my paypal, I'm intending to kick wood in the nuts. Otherwise I'm planning on doing the same with Josh.

Arch.

but he thinks we shouldnt know which is bullshit

I have a feeling mike richardson, who has already shown he is a complete asshole, is the new owner.

[quote58e88f745a="Crynos"]I have a feeling mike richardson, who has already shown he is a complete asshole, is the new owner.[/quote58e88f745a]

Agreed. I wouldn't want to do a site which it's owner bitches on a forum, gets banned, then comes back and bitches again under a new name.

after reading that I'm not going to participate in any of his sites because of his unprofessional and just plain rediculous attitude. Way to go Josh, you have been deemed a MORON! )

[quote57b57df898="Archon810"]I'm with Josh on this one. I think the information has been leaked and used against him in the wrong way. If he indeed transfers ownership successfully and I will get my paypal, I'm intending to kick wood in the nuts. Otherwise I'm planning on doing the same with Josh.

Arch.[/quote57b57df898]


You obviously are missing the point on this one...

Let me say it one last time...

There should never have been any info to "leak".
HOW HARD IS IT TO COMPREHEND THAT!

Why is it my job to inform the free stuff community of his shitty business plans?
It shouldnt be, but since he isn't man enough to come out and say it, I WILL.
If you want to go ahead and complete more offers for this deusch bag, go right ahead.
Just let me know when is a good time for me to kick you in the nuts for not heeding my advice...

Yeah. What if the site had gone down with no warning? That would have been shitty and Wood would have felt like a jackass for not warning everyone.

Josh didn't consider it to be the right time for this information to come out because he wanted his network to have a seamless transition to the new owner. Looking for a new owner however requires a bit of publicity, hence his post on A4F. Indeed, his response was quite unprofessional, but I do understand his anger.

[quote34bec2a4f7="Archon810"]Josh didn't consider it to be the right time for this information to come out because he wanted his network to have a seamless transition to the new owner. Looking for a new owner however requires a bit of publicity, hence his post on A4F. Indeed, his response was quite unprofessional, but I do understand his anger.[/quote34bec2a4f7]

But he did have to go public with the information to sell the site, once information is in the public domain, you can't expect it not to spread. He should have had a statement ready for the public the minute he began publicly searching for a buyer. It's his fault this blowup has occured because he wasn't prepared.

It's really a crappy situation for all of us that are in the process of doing his site.

[quote3e58c5dfd7="silentvixen"]Yeah. What if the site had gone down with no warning? That would have been shitty and Wood would have felt like a jackass for not warning everyone.[/quote3e58c5dfd7]
Exactly, even if the transition is seamless and the sites have just as great service and are still legit, i still think wood was right to post the information because the public should know so they can make their own decisions.

Be honest. How can this be seamless? Josh is basically saying that he is going to take a massive hit with his business. These sites make money from those that don't complete the requirements, he is basically saying that he is GIVING the money from those that completed offers, but havn't done enough to get a gift to the new owner. Basically meaning that he would ship all gifts for people that completed the sites. Then he has to pay the new owner for every other person that completed an offer. If he is such a great guy and takes a lose like that, then fine. I just don't see it happening. If this all does work out and NO ONE gets screwed, I will be in total shock. Also, there was no leak, Wood just gave us a warning. There is nothing wrong with that. Why should anyone protect a site owner that is selling his site. Let me ask you this. Did anyone here get to the point where they trusted Shawn from Gusto??? Trusted any other site owners that delivered great service in the beginning??? I don't care how nice he is, no one knows him personally, so no one can say what is going to happen to the site, so we had the right to know that something was going on.

[quote363ee7ffcd="gregcool"]Be honest. How can this be seamless? Josh is basically saying that he is going to take a massive hit with his business. These sites make money from those that don't complete the requirements, he is basically saying that he is GIVING the money from those that completed offers, but havn't done enough to get a gift to the new owner. Basically meaning that he would ship all gifts for people that completed the sites. Then he has to pay the new owner for every other person that completed an offer. If he is such a great guy and takes a lose like that, then fine. I just don't see it happening. If this all does work out and NO ONE gets screwed, I will be in total shock. Also, there was no leak, Wood just gave us a warning. There is nothing wrong with that. Why should anyone protect a site owner that is selling his site. Let me ask you this. Did anyone here get to the point where they trusted Shawn from Gusto??? Trusted any other site owners that delivered great service in the beginning??? I don't care how nice he is, no one knows him personally, so no one can say what is going to happen to the site, so we had the right to know that something was going on.[/quote363ee7ffcd]
Some of that is wrong, from what i understand josh will fill all current orders and then keep the rest of the money. Everything else will be filled by the new owner, i guess this is the cost of getting the site for free, I dont see who in their right mind would be willing to pay that much though.

I think that his post on his site was extremely childish.
"Well due to very poor moderation over at the Free Ipod Guide forums, false information has been leaked by one of its own moderators."

Not exactly, it's actually by false loyalty of someone over at A4F who leaked the info to wood. I'm pretty sure wood didn't hack into A4F and browse the moderator forum himself.

Instead of telling his users, who most probably didn't even see the thread on FIPG, the information they need to know he's basically using every chance he can get to flame the forums. That's a bit unprofessional in my opinion. He should have just ignored that little controversy when addressing his users or vaguely referenced it. And probably proofread his statement before posting it on his site.

I also hope he doesn't transfer the site to the itunes site guy, he was very rude and his itunes site didn't seem to do very well so he might just run 4nocash down.

Yeah this whole thing just blew up, but I think wood had good intentions and did the right thing. He was just telling people what was going on, and this shouldn't have been a secret anyways.

I just read that information. Now think about that. The new owner is going to pay out of pocket for people that complete his site right when he gets it. Either there will be HUGE delays, or he will be overwhelmed and run ) . It's going to be funny if as soon as he gets the site, so many people get 1 or 2 more refs to complete the site, then he starts taking a hit. Honestly, it is cheaper to start a new site. Whether the site has a rep or not, doesnt matter. The rep of the owner is what really matters. So, if you have a good rep as an owner, why not start your own site where you dont have to take so much of a lose. If you dont have a rep, build one from a new site with smaller referral amounts. Build your rep, wouldn't be hard to get up to the 4nocash level. Basically, you can't judge a book by it's cover. No matter what, 4nocash will not be the same, and people will have to adapt to the new owner, and learn to trust him. BASICALLY, new people will be hesitant to start the site, while people that need only a few refs will go ahead and finish it. That makes an even bigger lose for the new owner, if he doesn't run. Hell, anyone would take 4nocash right now. Anyone could get it for free, wait for a good check or 2, then run, easiest money. How does anyone know the new owner won't do that?

BTW, Josh as a business owner should proof read when he types something

"We how well they can manage to screw things up."

From 4NoCash.com

i guess you could kinda look at it like a government conspiracy.

the government are hiding something, but dont want the public to know. someone gets the info and leaks it to the press. the press then report it and all the government can do is either admit or deny that its true.

by making the leaked info public, means the government cant change their story, cant remove certain facts or add new ones in, because the actual truth has already been leaked.

its all out in the open and we are probably all better off for it.




or not.....i guess we'll see.

i'm with archon and josh with this one....a business has the right to deem when it is the appropriate time to release certain information.....actions like wood's is what causes chaos and panic. you have to realize what position you are in....don't get big headed....you are pretty much getting free shit and you're in no position to complain. you have to understand that stuff like this goes on in everyday lives. teachers don't tell students about everything, employers don't tell their employees about everything, companies don't tell their employees about everything, and even the government sure the hell doesn't tell their citizens about everything. people need to be told certain things at certain times. thats why people are given the responsibility of running a company and running it at their accordance. let it go, if he's legit, he's legit. if not, he's not. there are bigger things in life to worry about than getting scammed by a free incentives website. and if getting scammed by a free incentive website is even on your top 25 of things to worry about in life, then you need to shut down your computer and get some fresh air. holla.

0% precise, and yet he admits it's true? We have a somewhat different opinion with Josh what is indeed precise.

Anyway, a company with a good reputation, shouldn't have released a statement to its users, that contain personal attacks, user community bashing, "morons & idiots" etc. That speaks of plain unprofessionalism & lack of self-control.

[quotee539707e2d="purduesafety13"]teachers don't tell students about everything, employers don't tell their employees about everything, companies don't tell their employees about everything, and even the government sure the hell doesn't tell their citizens about everything. [/quotee539707e2d]
And that makes it right??
Wrong.

[quotee539707e2d="purduesafety13"]people need to be told certain things at certain times. thats why people are given the responsibility of running a company and running it at their accordance. [/quotee539707e2d]
His "own accordance" seemed to be a week down the road from now..
Meaning he would collect on probably 100+ completed offers that he has no intention of crediting...
But thats okay...it's his business...he can screw over anyone he wants...right? roll

[quotee539707e2d="purduesafety13"]let it go, if he's legit, he's legit. if not, he's not. there are bigger things in life to worry about than getting scammed by a free incentives website. and if getting scammed by a free incentive website is even on your top 25 of things to worry about in life, then you need to shut down your computer and get some fresh air. holla.[/quotee539707e2d]

You are missing the point here kid.
Information was given to me that proved he is pulling some shady shit.
While it's not as important as say...a cure for aids, it still affects people negatively...
But since it's regarding a free stuff website, we arent allowed to talk about it?
You are either ignorant or just plain stupid.
(your choice)

I was hanging out with someone at my church and we were surfing the net. She's a very level-headed, fair natured person so I had her look at this whole situation. Showed her how it started, the threads on all the sites, etc, finishing with the "announcement" on 4NoCash. Here's what she said as an outside observer

[quoted99dcc0ea1]"While it probably would have been more prudent for him to release this news to those affliated with his site sooner (simply because of PR), he had the right as a business owner to wait on whatever timing he deemed right. But all of this childish banter ending with the personal attacks singling out one person on his public website is [id99dcc0ea1]extremely[/id99dcc0ea1] unprofessional, and will put a bad light on any future business of his."[/quoted99dcc0ea1]

My own personal opinion - Besides what I've already said, I find it hilarious that wood is being used as a scapegoat in all this simply because the fact that info was leaked by some other super-important member in the secret A4F forum.

[quote84e5a81ca9="Godrockdj"]I was hanging out with someone at my church and we were surfing the net. She's a very level-headed, fair natured person so I had her look at this whole situation. Showed her how it started, the threads on all the sites, etc, finishing with the "announcement" on 4NoCash. Here's what she said as an outside observer

[quote84e5a81ca9]"While it probably would have been more prudent for him to release this news to those affliated with his site sooner (simply because of PR), he had the right as a business owner to wait on whatever timing he deemed right. But all of this childish banter ending with the personal attacks singling out one person on his public website is [i84e5a81ca9]extremely[/i84e5a81ca9] unprofessional, and will put a bad light on any future business of his."[/quote84e5a81ca9]

My own personal opinion - Besides what I've already said, I find it hilarious that wood is being used as a scapegoat in all this simply because the fact that info was leaked by some other super-important member in the secret A4F forum.[/quote84e5a81ca9]

Did you make this person aware of the consequences of not informing the public of your eminent demise?
Does she understand the intracicies of the freebie world?

Specifically People will continue to do offers (meaning he keeps earning money) while not holding up his end of the deal?

Something tells me anyone with 85 IQ or higher can see how ridiculous this entire situation is...

[quoteea2a2e63cb="wood"]Something tells me anyone with 85 IQ or higher can see how ridiculous this entire situation is...[/quoteea2a2e63cb]

I can see, and tickle said I had a 136 D

[quote5e2a9592af="wood"][quote5e2a9592af="Godrockdj"]I was hanging out with someone at my church and we were surfing the net. She's a very level-headed, fair natured person so I had her look at this whole situation. Showed her how it started, the threads on all the sites, etc, finishing with the "announcement" on 4NoCash. Here's what she said as an outside observer

[quote5e2a9592af]"While it probably would have been more prudent for him to release this news to those affliated with his site sooner (simply because of PR), he had the right as a business owner to wait on whatever timing he deemed right. But all of this childish banter ending with the personal attacks singling out one person on his public website is [i5e2a9592af]extremely[/i5e2a9592af] unprofessional, and will put a bad light on any future business of his."[/quote5e2a9592af]

My own personal opinion - Besides what I've already said, I find it hilarious that wood is being used as a scapegoat in all this simply because the fact that info was leaked by some other super-important member in the secret A4F forum.[/quote5e2a9592af]

Did you make this person aware of the consequences of not informing the public of your eminent demise?
Does she understand the intracicies of the freebie world?

Specifically People will continue to do offers (meaning he keeps earning money) while not holding up his end of the deal?

Something tells me anyone with 85 IQ or higher can see how ridiculous this entire situation is...[/quote5e2a9592af]

Yes of course I did. After all, i've been bugging her for months for refs )

But what she said is true. Legally, as a business owner he has the right to release that information whenever he wants. It sucks but it's the truth. The other part of what she said however is even more true - it would have been more prudent for him to release it asap due to the nature of this community. We see the results of this "delay" in all this crap happening now.

Since 4nocash is a company, I think you could compare it to a company on the stock market. While some companies prefer to keep information secret to protect their stock prices, it can come out and either cause an increase or a decrease in the value. That's kind of what happened here, but instead of stock value we have site reputation increasing/decreasing. If you're a business, stuff like this happens. It's the business world and you just have to live with the consequences, good or bad. As a consumer, like an investor, I prefer more info rather than less. Therefore, I'd prefer to hear about site changes before deciding to "invest" in a freebie site. My ref isn't free.

While anyone with an IQ higher than 85 might see how rediculous this situation is, anyone with an IQ higher than 40 will for sure see how stupid this whole entire conversation is lol. I mean I have a couple greens on both wifi and minicool but I don't have them completed yet. I was looking forward to having a sick ass vending machine looking thing for my apartment next year but the chances seem somewhat slim now. I mean i'm not sweatin it though. it's all good. I neither have the time nor energy to sit there and cry a river about not getting a vending machine from a website. You know what I'm sayin? I just hate people that think they are "entitled" to know everything. You don't. Let the company handle their biz and figure it out. Holla.

[quotee0db6327bb="Godrockdj"]Legally, as a business owner he has the right to release that information whenever he wants. It sucks but it's the truth. The other part of what she said however is even more true - it would have been more prudent for him to release it asap due to the nature of this community. We see the results of this "delay" in all this crap happening now.[/quotee0db6327bb]

[quotee0db6327bb="purduesafety13"]While anyone with an IQ higher than 85 might see how rediculous this situation is, anyone with an IQ higher than 40 will for sure see how stupid this whole entire conversation is lol. I mean I have a couple greens on both wifi and minicool but I don't have them completed yet. I was looking forward to having a sick ass vending machine looking thing for my apartment next year but the chances seem somewhat slim now. I mean i'm not sweatin it though. it's all good. I neither have the time nor energy to sit there and cry a river about not getting a vending machine from a website. You know what I'm sayin? I just hate people that think they are "entitled" to know everything. You don't. Let the company handle their biz and figure it out. Holla.[/quotee0db6327bb]

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.

Businesses have a right to keep [be0db6327bb]some[/be0db6327bb] things private.
But this is bordering on fraud. He is taking money with the knowledge that he probably wont be giving anything in return.

When ENRON was going bankrupt, they didnt tell any of their investors.
When the information finally came to light, TENS of THOUSANDS of people lost billions of $.
They were LEGALLY OBLIGATED to tell people they were going bankrupt, but they didn't.

If you guys honestly think that he has the right not to keep his "investors" aware of his major moves/changes, then I hope MBNA's aren't in any of your futures...

Okay. After careful consideration, I've decided to lock this post, as well as any others relating to the recent 4nocash situation.

I was given this information because the person who supplied it to me didn't want to get their special access privledges revoked on the A4F forum, and they knew I would have absolutely no reservations about releasing to the public.

As I have stated before, my intentions were not to damage 4nocash's image (josh did that on his own), but to alert the free stuff community on the recent develops that were intentionally kept secretive.

As a moderator on freeipodgide, and a veteran freebie enthusiast, I have seen it become all-to-common for site owners to just disapear into the night with hundreds (sometimes thousands) of dollars that they stole from users such as ourselves.

When I learned of this information, it became quite aparant to me that someone was going to be getting slighted, and it was most likely going to be us.

Since I have released this information to the public the shlit hit the fan (as expected).
A4F has banned most of the users from the secret forum (although not all!) and Josh has been forced to come public with his plans on "merging" his site.
People, it seems, have lost much faith in the 4nocash network, while others have expressed anger and hate towards me (I guess they assume I made this all up for kicks?)

Just about everything that can be said, has been said about this topic.
I think it's time now to sit back and watch what happens.

Thank you for all the kind words and thoughts people have expressed towards me for bringing this situation to light.
I promise to never sit back and idly watch anything secretly go by that violated my morals.
You can bet I will continue to post any "secrets" I come across that I feel should be made public.
Even if that means being chewed out, banned from other forums, or publicly defamed on owner websites.


Confidently Yours,
wood