Pope passes away

even though i dont know much about him the stuff i hear about him is really good. Rest in peace, wich more people could do things like him.

He has forever changed the "job description" of a Pope. God bless, and enjoy peace in Heaven.

can somebody break it down what he did? i dont really know much about him. certainly sad when a person dies though, whoever it is...

[quoteecf59789dc="Archon810"]can somebody break it down what he did? i dont really know much about him. certainly sad when a person dies though, whoever it is...[/quoteecf59789dc]

I don't know, he was sitting on a chair made out of GOLD. weird shock

Not even God

wait, he wasnt god!? What the..

[quote342f5494f9="darkdnb"]wait, he wasnt god!? What the..[/quote342f5494f9]

Thats right, he wasn't god, and he was sitting on a chair made out of GOLD.

extremely weird

[quotedabfccbb97="cartrenroy"][quotedabfccbb97="darkdnb"]wait, he wasnt god!? What the..[/quotedabfccbb97]

Thats right, he wasn't god, and he was sitting on a chair made out of GOLD.

extremely weird[/quotedabfccbb97]

You are really beginning to bug me today.

[See post about him trying to advertise a scam site.]

okay it's sad that the pope passed away and whatnot.

but people act like the dude is God... God is the only one who can answer your prayers, not some sinner..

[quotea3920f050d="EatChex89"]okay it's sad that the pope passed away and whatnot.

but people act like the dude is God... God is the only one who can answer your prayers, not some sinner..[/quotea3920f050d]

I agree. The pope is a great guy, but he doesn't have a more "direct" path to God than any other christian. Catholicism bugs me.

[quote4c8cc12f99="drummer_kew_03"][quote4c8cc12f99="EatChex89"]okay it's sad that the pope passed away and whatnot.

but people act like the dude is God... God is the only one who can answer your prayers, not some sinner..[/quote4c8cc12f99]

I agree. The pope is a great guy, but he doesn't have a more "direct" path to God than any other christian. Catholicism bugs me.[/quote4c8cc12f99]

ditto. well said D

so nobody knows exactly what he did, just that he was great BECAUSE he was pope? that's just dumb.

Maybe if you watched the news today, or did some simple searching on the web, you would know some of the things he did. I'm not Catholic, but I have to respect the way that he used his position to try and better this world.

[quotef2f0a637ed="Archon810"]so nobody knows exactly what he did, just that he was great BECAUSE he was pope? that's just dumb.[/quotef2f0a637ed]

honestly man.. you have been posting this same shit all day.. i dont know if you are being sarcastic or serious.. but you obviously need to get a damn clue already..

http//www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/pope/bio/early/
http//www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/biography/
http//news.sympatico.msn.ca/Special+Features/John+Paul+IIs+achievements.htm
http//encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761552499/John_Paul_II.html

heres a page with books if you are [if2f0a637ed]really[/if2f0a637ed] interested in his achievements - http//www.catholicsupply.com/books/pjp.html

now do some reading and show some respect, all the man wanted was peace in the world and did everything he could to get that. its really sad when i see people be ignorant and try to downplay good people once they pass. you always get the negative groups of people for everything these days.

Wow what douchebags.

He's done so much amazing stuff in his very long life that I can't even list em all. I myself am a protestant, however I view the Pope to be one of the holiest (sp?) persons in the world. No I don't believe I should pray to him so he can pray to god, hell I pray directly to god.

In the end I'm not catholic however the loss of Pope Jon Paul (sp? I should know this) is pretty sad, but he had an amazing life. And if you can't see that than I'm sorry you're just ignorant as fuck.

[quotec3b93283f6="Doh004"]Wow what [bc3b93283f6]douchebags[/bc3b93283f6].[/quotec3b93283f6]

hurrah! someone who can spell douchebag! +Karma

"but people act like the dude is God... God is the only one who can answer your prayers, not some sinner.."

I thought it was impossible for the pope to sin according to the Catholic Faith. (I was raised Catholic, but my views changed to say the least.)

Kamen.

That whole confession booth is ridiculous. You shouldn't be asking for forgiveness on a weekly basis. If you keep screwing up what's the point? Not to mention if you are the religious type it would make more sense to pray and not worship false idols.

Thus the reason I'm not Catholic ;)

Do you people have some sort of disorder? Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion...but there are certain principles which every man, of every faith, should embrace. The Pope was seated in a gold chair as a symbol of his divinity. Julius Caesar sat in a gold chair as well, and I've never heard anyone complain about that. I am a Catholic (although not devout by any means), and I am deeply saddened by some of the statements made here today. There is a reason the headline on every news station and in every print media speaks of the pope's passing. Pope John Paul II was a legacy, and he will undoubtedly become a Saint. I'm not going to go into his achievements, as writers much more informed than myself have already done so [Thank you JJPRO11 for the resource links], but I would like to say this The Pope is the Leader of the Roman Catholic Church on Earth, and the Bishop of Rome. The Pope's position is sacred to Catholics, and for good reason. The Catholic doctrine of the Pope as head of Christ's Church on earth is a usurpation of Jesus Christ as head of the Church, prevailed over by the Holy Spirit. The Church is built on the revelation of our Heavenly Father that Jesus Christ is His Son and is to be followed by the leading of His Spirit in the hearts of all who believe. Man as pope or head of the Church on earth is one example of those whom Jesus said would come

[quote886f1ce43c="John 539"]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life and they are they which testify of me. [i886f1ce43c]40[/i886f1ce43c] And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. [i886f1ce43c]41[/i886f1ce43c] I receive not honour from men. [i886f1ce43c]42[/i886f1ce43c] But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. [i886f1ce43c]43[/i886f1ce43c] [b886f1ce43c]I AM COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME, AND YE RECEIVE ME NOT IF ANOTHER SHALL COME IN HIS OWN NAME, HIM YE WILL RECEIVE.[/b886f1ce43c][/quote886f1ce43c]

Certainly there are different interpretations and varying beliefs, even among Catholics...but to attack the Pope is to attack Catholicism, and in no faith is it right or justified to attack the beliefs of another. Believe what you believe, but recognize and respect that others may not (and undoubtedly do not) hold those same beliefs.

[quote3002c4fac9="Kamen"]I thought it was impossible for the pope to sin according to the Catholic Faith. (I was raised Catholic, but my views changed to say the least.)

Kamen.[/quote3002c4fac9]

They also believe that Mary didn't sin either. Crazy Catholics.

[quotee8c68ee833="FreeOffersNow"]Do you people have some sort of disorder? Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion...but there are certain principles which every man, of every faith, should embrace. The Pope was seated in a gold chair as a symbol of his divinity. Julius Caesar sat in a gold chair as well, and I've never heard anyone complain about that. I am a Catholic (although not devout by any means), and I am deeply saddened by some of the statements made here today. There is a reason the headline on every news station and in every print media speaks of the pope's passing. Pope John Paul II was a legacy, and he will undoubtedly become a Saint. I'm not going to go into his achievements, as writers much more informed than myself have already done so [Thank you JJPRO11 for the resource links], but I would like to say this The Pope is the Leader of the Roman Catholic Church on Earth, and the Bishop of Rome. The Pope's position is sacred to Catholics, and for good reason. The Catholic doctrine of the Pope as head of Christ's Church on earth is a usurpation of Jesus Christ as head of the Church, prevailed over by the Holy Spirit. The Church is built on the revelation of our Heavenly Father that Jesus Christ is His Son and is to be followed by the leading of His Spirit in the hearts of all who believe. Man as pope or head of the Church on earth is one example of those whom Jesus said would come

[quotee8c68ee833="John 539"]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life and they are they which testify of me. [ie8c68ee833]40[/ie8c68ee833] And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. [ie8c68ee833]41[/ie8c68ee833] I receive not honour from men. [ie8c68ee833]42[/ie8c68ee833] But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. [ie8c68ee833]43[/ie8c68ee833] [be8c68ee833]I AM COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME, AND YE RECEIVE ME NOT IF ANOTHER SHALL COME IN HIS OWN NAME, HIM YE WILL RECEIVE.[/be8c68ee833][/quotee8c68ee833]

Certainly there are different interpretations and varying beliefs, even among Catholics...but to attack the Pope is to attack Catholicism, and in no faith is it right or justified to attack the beliefs of another. Believe what you believe, but recognize and respect that others may not (and undoubtedly do not) hold those same beliefs.[/quotee8c68ee833]



I question and try not to attack. Now I am sorry if you took what I said as an attack but lighten up. As for your line of "and in no faith is it right or justified to attack the beliefs of another. " Actually Christians attack other religions all the time. Wicca, The Jewish Faith, and Satanism. Not only that they also attack others beliefs like peoples beliefs of Equal right of all with allowing Gay Marriage. Also it attacks peoples beliefs that a woman should have the right to choose.

The Pope Attacked Bush's beliefs in the war on Iraq.

The Pope Attacked the Nazis beliefs that Jews, blacks, and other minority's should be killed.

So actually it seams the Catholic Faith does a lot of attacking.


That being said, the pope seams to have been a very great man who did what he felt is right. He worked for peace on our world. He was a great leader and he will be missed. He had his time and now it has passed, it was time for a new pope. I know some might not like me saying that but change is a good thing to me and I believe more good should come from this event.


My prediction on the next pope.

He will have the same values on most things except maybe these 2 issues.

Women in the Church
Birth Control in Africa, and AIDS.

[quote6d91a7fe4e]He will have the same values on most things except maybe these 2 issues.

Women in the Church
Birth Control in Africa, and AIDS.[/quote6d91a7fe4e]

If you look at the front runners for the position, you'll see how unlikely any change really is. The term "ultra-conservative" seems to come up quite a lot. We'll see...

[quote6a978d2ae0="Kamen"]

The Pope Attacked Bush's beliefs in the war on Iraq.

The Pope Attacked the Nazis beliefs that Jews, blacks, and other minority's should be killed.

So actually it seams the Catholic Faith does a lot of attacking.

[/quote6a978d2ae0]

r u kidding me? Are you saying that he shouldn't have opposed nacism - the cause of WW1 and WW2 and crimes against humanity??
Bush's beliefs isn't a religion, it's US's foreign policy, and anybody can critique it.
Does a lot of attacking? omfg that was an outrageous post IMO.

I never said he shouldent have been against it at all! I am saying that it is not wrong in the Catholic Faith to attack another persons belief. I am very Liberal and believe all people should be treated equal. I am AGAINST the iraq war myself. I attack both things full force, my point is that this point "in no faith is it right or justified to attack the beliefs of another." is wrong.

I hope you understand.

[quotefcc213f2f7="nicd.01"][quotefcc213f2f7]He will have the same values on most things except maybe these 2 issues.

Women in the Church
Birth Control in Africa, and AIDS.[/quotefcc213f2f7]

If you look at the front runners for the position, you'll see how unlikely any change really is. The term "ultra-conservative" seems to come up quite a lot. We'll see...[/quotefcc213f2f7]

Yeah I know, I hope. I said maybe even though it is not likly. Those issues are what seam to be the closest to borderline that I can think of. More the Birth Control than anything. Not that many Catholics follow that rule though. Some do and they have like 9 kids... 3 of my teachers have 5+ kids. lol

[quote602a912422="Kamen"]As for your line of "and in no faith is it right or justified to attack the beliefs of another. " Actually Christians attack other religions all the time. Wicca, The Jewish Faith, and Satanism. Not only that they also attack others beliefs like peoples beliefs of Equal right of all with allowing Gay Marriage. Also it attacks peoples beliefs that a woman should have the right to choose.

The Pope Attacked Bush's beliefs in the war on Iraq.

The Pope Attacked the Nazis beliefs that Jews, blacks, and other minority's should be killed.

So actually it seams the Catholic Faith does a lot of attacking.[/quote602a912422]


There is a pronounced difference between what I was referring to, and what you have twisted my statements to imply. As you say, "Christians attack other religions all the time," (although by no means are all Christians Catholic) I can only say that simply because individual members of a religion act in a certain manner does not mean that that religion endorses that behavior. If it did, then what do we say of Islam after the 9/11 attacks? Certainly those few radicals do not represent the Muslim faith as a whole. Moving on, are you saying the Pope's "attacks" on the war on Iraq and genocide would not be supported by other religions? The Pope spoke out against behavior that is undeniably immoral, not the beliefs of any religious establishment.

[quote602a912422="Kamen"]My prediction on the next pope.

He will have the same values on most things except maybe these 2 issues.

Women in the Church
Birth Control in Africa, and AIDS.[/quote602a912422]

I disagree. Pope John Paul II's successor will hold the same beliefs as John Paul II, who held the same beliefs as John Paul I before him, who held the same beliefs as Paul VI before him. There are several reasons for this, all of which are too in-depth for a "free stuff" forum post. That said, I am also relatively liberal - but no matter how "equal" everyone should be treated, there is still right and wrong.

i knew this would turn into a religious debate.. everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and thats fine.. it is sad that the pope died though.. whether you think of him as a religious figure, or just the man himself.. you cant argue his intentions were to soley make this world better. everyone should respect him for that.