Would it be smart to...

Start a freebie website? They look like a lot of fun, and I have a lot of time and effort to put into it. I know how the whole system works, and I know what people look for in a good website, and I understand how to make it all happen. The thing I'm asking is, would it be wise with all the sites out there already? I would do it mainly for the fun, not so much for the profit, so the $ per ref would be quite high. I would also make a lot of promos and if I had a site, give out random prizes to people. Anyone think it's a good idea? Please let me know how you guys feel about that

You better have a lot of capital; do you have $5,000 to potentially lose if something goes wrong?

Not quite 5k, but I do have a couple thousand I'd be willing to risk. I guess I should wait to have more capital?

With this many freesites out you may have less people completing the site at first, so that may be enough.

You need enough to ship out all the gifts for the first month, until you're reimbursed by the offer completions. If you can do that and afford hosting and coding and such, go for it.

I'm not worried about it so much financially as I am about users. There are so many sites out there already, I'm worried that if I made one, mine would just get lost in the bunch like so many others lisighli

But most of the others suck. YGF started out like all the others, but with its promotions and consistent user satisfaction it has quickly grown into a trusted network.

If you need a good script, I run a freebie site that offer freebie scripts for just 3 OOD completions... D

I kid I kid, but who knows....

as a user myself, idc about script, but what about you guys, do you think custom scripts or generic scripts really matter?

granted it would be good for us, but i suggest that the overall net profit of the site, though not your primary motivator, should be a motivator. Without the desire for $ you will get weighed down by the grind of it all and it will not be fun anymore -> not as much time on the site -> user dissatisfaction -> collapse of site.

that's what kind of happened to Reward Bull, they started great but people started to hate them because of downfall of the customer support.

The first thing you need to do if you want to start a company is research. From the looks of it, you need to do alot because you said earlier you don't know about scripts and such.

custom scripts matter because of features and such. If you compare RAFs to any other scripts, you will quickly find RAFs as the worst because of lack of features.

By generic, if you mean using it the way it is, then no. You will find that people will not think highly of your site. Not that they will avoid but just not think of your site over the others. Hence, get lost behind the other sites.

To recap

1. Research background information of this industry
2. Do a careful mathematical buisness formulas
3. Choose the right script for you

You may want to additionally get a web designer to make you a custom look of your site. If you want, I can help you with that part. I have done a few of the network sites including GiftsInnovations and another network's site which will debut in about a week.

[quoteeb3a5c3329="VrExe"]that's what kind of happened to Reward Bull, they started great but people started to hate them because of downfall of the customer support.

The first thing you need to do if you want to start a company is research. From the looks of it, you need to do alot because you said earlier you don't know about scripts and such.

custom scripts matter because of features and such. If you compare RAFs to any other scripts, you will quickly find RAFs as the worst because of lack of features.

By generic, if you mean using it the way it is, then no. You will find that people will not think highly of your site. Not that they will avoid but just not think of your site over the others. Hence, get lost behind the other sites.

To recap

1. Research background information of this industry
2. Do a careful mathematical buisness formulas
3. Choose the right script for you

You may want to additionally get a web designer to make you a custom look of your site. If you want, I can help you with that part. I have done a few of the network sites including GiftsInnovations and another network's site which will debut in about a week.[/quoteeb3a5c3329]

Indeed, Very Good Advice, also look fo a good web hosting service.

[quoteae0dec1b76="ilanbg"]But most of the others suck. [bae0dec1b76]YGF started out like all the others, but with its promotions and consistent user satisfaction it has quickly grown into a trusted network[/bae0dec1b76].[/quoteae0dec1b76]

Very true. I pushed and pushed and pushed! This is how I got to where I am today!

[quote2d9eb5b39a="YourGiftsFree"][quote2d9eb5b39a="ilanbg"]But most of the others suck. [b2d9eb5b39a]YGF started out like all the others, but with its promotions and consistent user satisfaction it has quickly grown into a trusted network[/b2d9eb5b39a].[/quote2d9eb5b39a]

Very true. I pushed and pushed and pushed! This is how I gave birth to my third daughter![/quote2d9eb5b39a]
Corrected ;)

On topic If you start a good site, I'll probably do it. I'm always one of the first to test new sites.

I'm thinking of making a site, I'll be doing a lot of research tonight, I'll also, if I seriously start thinking of opening a site, look for the best items to offer, and for sure give Paypal as an option, because I almost always do that on freebie sites. But yea, I'll do research for it tonight

One thing I have as a fair warning to you is the paypal option.

Seems like paypal likes to limit alot of Freebie site owner's paypal account. When it happens, you can get out by writing the right letter. If you write a wrong letter, they will say that their decision is final and won't discuss any further.

Kerms was one of the paypal locked victim but he was able to get out of it by writing a letter which he won't share with the other victims.

Just telling you that you should be prepared for that as well if you are planning on providing paypal as an option.

Yea, I'm also thinking of running a lot of promos, so I'm going to save money, I want to start my site if I make one with a 'bang'

SpeedyFreebies got his paypal closed and wrote a letter but paypal didn't open his account again.. I wonder what kerms wrote..

FusionCash also got their PayPal account restored, it wasn't just Kerms.

You just have to convince them that freebie sites are NOT pyramid, Ponzi, or matrix schemes, which is what they're claiming when they shut these sites down.

[quoteabb07480a0="dmorris68"]FusionCash also got their PayPal account restored, it wasn't just Kerms.
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You just have to convince them that freebie sites are NOT pyramid, Ponzi, or matrix schemes, which is what they're claiming when they shut these sites down.[/babb07480a0][/quoteabb07480a0]

Not as easy as it sounds though. Paypal are a bunch of numskulls who reply with the same response over and over, even after you clearly explained the workings of your/these site(s).

Dmorris,

Can you pl. tell what exactly you told them to convience them that it is nothing illegal. ?

[quote1689dfb7c8="g-agarwal"]Dmorris,

Can you pl. tell what exactly you told them to convience them that it is nothing illegal. ?[/quote1689dfb7c8]

Dmorris had nothiing to do with FusionCash regaining control of their Payapl account.

That said, YOU (or the site owner) need to make a clear distinction between a ponzi pyramid scheme, and the free-site business model. No one here is going to do the work for you, but a clear distinction made between the two models of business would be a good place to start.

To make the distinction, I would have to find out about pyramid/ponzi schemes... i will do that.

A deciding factor in many sites for me is their payout ratio. Average is $35/ref, but to get a high amount of people instantly, make it at least $40/ref like YGF. The higher it is, the probable chance of getting more users. With that said, your net profit will go down dramatically, and you could start losing money when someone completes a site.

[quote73c87edda0="Daggoth"]A deciding factor in many sites for me is their payout ratio. Average is $35/ref, but to get a high amount of people instantly, make it at least $40/ref like YGF. The higher it is, the probable chance of getting more users. With that said, your net profit will go down dramatically, [b73c87edda0]and you could start losing money when someone completes a site.[/b73c87edda0][/quote73c87edda0]

At 40/ref, not necessarily

If you can ship out gifts before geting advertiser check, Also need to find a Niche and stick to it. be different somehow. ;/

Yea, the thing is that I'm not sure I'd be able to afford shipping gifts before I got the advertisers check cry

I next to never complete sites launched on a forum. I know others share this feeling with me.

[quoteeb1f94bd8f="Tsmith10803"]Yea, the thing is that I'm not sure I'd be able to afford shipping gifts before I got the advertisers check cry[/quoteeb1f94bd8f]

Well, when you first start, you will have an extremely small userbase, especially with all these other small sites coming out, so I am guessing it would take $3,000 capital at most for your first month, depending on your payout ratio.

[quotecc74e8dc76="Daggoth"][quotecc74e8dc76="Tsmith10803"]Yea, the thing is that I'm not sure I'd be able to afford shipping gifts before I got the advertisers check cry[/quotecc74e8dc76]

Well, when you first start, you will have an extremely small userbase, especially with all these other small sites coming out, so I am guessing it would take $3,000 capital at most for your first month, depending on your payout ratio.[/quotecc74e8dc76]

Daggoth is giving great advice. To make your userbase grow, just offer great CS and make you site known. Run some promos!

Well, I did some research on these ponzi schemes and was able to find some differences

Any links which explain how they work.. ?

Did all site owners get account closed once or limited ?

You have to be different if you want to make it.

$3,000 to start a site? The RewardzNetwork owners used $8,000 or so in the first month. It depends if your going to ship out some gifts early or wait until you get paid from the advertisers though, if you're going to wait then you don't need much, if not then you need tons.