Raffle for a 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX

FGNMarketing

26-09-2006 18:14:56

Hey guys,

I'm with FGNMarketing, a fairly new affiliate network that has recently launched a new website featuring a raffle for a 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX. The proof is all on the website and no referring is required to earn entries. I'm here for support if there are any questions. Nice to meet all of you!

www.Evolved4Free.com

DIABLO

26-09-2006 18:37:13

Nice car! Mustang4Free would be even better though D

I see your already at 1%, and it's only a few days old? shock

I think I'll sign up when it's around 90% though.

Good Luck and welcome to FiPG!

unknown uchiha

26-09-2006 18:40:58

Isn't this kinda like the Million Dollar Freebie?

FGNMarketing

26-09-2006 19:13:41

[quoted2556c6770="unknown uchiha"]Isn't this kinda like the Million Dollar Freebie?[/quoted2556c6770]

Yes, we've been compared to them. The difference is

We have set a realistic goal.
We actually want to give away this car.
We are putting money into the project to make sure it ends by this year or the beginning of 2007.
We are holding a legal raffle, compared to the highly illegal "milliondollar" scheme

Basically, the 1 million dollar freebie was made for 100% profit.

We're excited we launched yesterday and we're up to the 1% mark and 20,000 hits )

egyptianruin

26-09-2006 19:17:08

[quote4ba28ba9a4="FGNMarketing"][quote4ba28ba9a4="unknown uchiha"]Isn't this kinda like the Million Dollar Freebie?[/quote4ba28ba9a4]

Yes, we've been compared to them. The difference is

We have set a realistic goal.
We actually want to give away this car.
We are putting money into the project to make sure it ends by this year or the beginning of 2007.
We are holding a legal raffle, compared to the highly illegal "milliondollar" scheme

Basically, the 1 million dollar freebie was made for 100% profit.

We're excited we launched yesterday and we're up to the 1% mark and 20,000 hits )[/quote4ba28ba9a4]

Well I signed up but I cant do any of the offers on there right now, do they change?

fgr_admin

26-09-2006 22:18:42

[quote9d34fba418="FGNMarketing"]Hey guys,

I'm with FGNMarketing, a fairly new affiliate network that has recently launched a new website featuring a raffle for a 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX. The proof is all on the website and no referring is required to earn entries. I'm here for support if there are any questions. Nice to meet all of you!

www.Evolved4Free.com[/quote9d34fba418]

HERE I come to save the DAY.......... lol

Ok quick question for another major giveaway.

I notice it doesnt say anywhere on your site exactly how many raffle tickets your going to have. You could have a million raffle tickets. By saying your going to advertise this site doesnt make it legal. To be LEGAL in the state of Connecticut you must have a permit from the "Division of Special Revenue". So screen shot please.[/size9d34fba418]

Also how can this be a legal raffle, when to be LEGAL you have to have a very SPECIFIC # of tickets available. Yet with incentive sites you have missing credits, slow credits etc. I fail to see your script stopping at 88% knowing that you have 12% in uncredited offers.

or if only one ticket left, what is to stop 20 people logging in last second and each doing an offer? Thus going over the mandated (to be legal) # of tickets....???

Sorry people I don't know why I keep doing this, lol

unknown uchiha

26-09-2006 22:28:18

"The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 9 will be purchased at "Schaller Mitsubishi" in New Britain..."

Where is New Britain?

fgr_admin

26-09-2006 22:39:11

[quotef7ae76d010="unknown uchiha"]"The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 9 will be purchased at "Schaller Mitsubishi" in New Britain..."

Where is New Britain?[/quotef7ae76d010]

connecticut thus my use of the CT raffle laws.

plus little hard to believe a LEGAL site running a raffle would hide behind a proxy domain.

bruman

27-09-2006 03:01:20

What happens when (and will most likely happen) it never reaches 100%?

DIABLO

27-09-2006 04:24:11

[quote7cd429b1ab="bruman"]What happens when (and will most likely happen) it never reaches 100%?[/quote7cd429b1ab]

It probably will sometime soon.

johnjimjones

27-09-2006 05:33:36

I'm not trying to go heads up with you again, but I'm just trying to understand what the actual laws state. Here[=http//www.ct-clic.com/detail.asp?code=225]Here it doesn't seem like this "raffle" would fit under those categories, and therefore not need a permit.

FGNMarketing

27-09-2006 07:13:54

[quote5848611716="fgr_admin"][quote5848611716="unknown uchiha"]"The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 9 will be purchased at "Schaller Mitsubishi" in New Britain..."

Where is New Britain?[/quote5848611716]

connecticut thus my use of the CT raffle laws.

plus little hard to believe a LEGAL site running a raffle would hide behind a proxy domain.[/quote5848611716]

From what I was told by an attorney is that I may not exceed $50,000 as a raffle prize. He also said there are some exceptions since evolved4free.com is not "selling" raffle tickets. If you want to talk to the attorney I consult feel free to PM me for his number.

Secondly, I'm not "hiding" anything. The website is under a private domain for privacy issues, if I were to do anything illegal, they would not hesitate to release my information to the authorities.

I also want to make it clear that I understand why you're being cautious, and I'm not arguing with you, I'm just letting you know my side.

[quote5848611716]Well I signed up but I cant do any of the offers on there right now, do they change?[/quote5848611716]

Sorry about that, I'm in the process of negotiating higher payouts on my offers so I should have some new offers on there starting tomorrow.

doylnea

27-09-2006 11:39:31

[quoteb58996d954="fgr_admin"][quoteb58996d954="unknown uchiha"]"The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 9 will be purchased at "Schaller Mitsubishi" in New Britain..."

Where is New Britain?[/quoteb58996d954]

connecticut thus my use of the CT raffle laws.

plus little hard to believe a LEGAL site running a raffle would hide behind a proxy domain.[/quoteb58996d954]

If you truly believe a site cannot be legitimate and choose to not display their mailing address, phone number and email address, then you're ignorant of personal privacy and the laws that protect it.

I would agree that the legitimacy of a site could start at a higher level if the owner chooses to make the his / her personal information known, but I certainly don't think that the legitimacy of a site is based solely on that factor.

Just for kicks, why don't you post your home mailing address, phone number and your preferred email address?

fgr_admin

27-09-2006 11:49:16

From what I was told by an attorney is that I may not exceed $50,000 as a raffle prize. He also said there are some exceptions since evolved4free.com is not "selling" raffle tickets. If you want to talk to the attorney I consult feel free to PM me for his number.

Secondly, I'm not "hiding" anything. The website is under a private domain for privacy issues, if I were to do anything illegal, they would not hesitate to release my information to the authorities.

I also want to make it clear that I understand why you're being cautious, and I'm not arguing with you, I'm just letting you know my side.

nice reply.

Still not sure I understand the privacy issue if your trying to run a legit site, but thats you.

However I notice you skipped over the part about how many tickets are being offered. is your site a raffle or lottery?

A raffle has a predetermined set # of tickets or spots

A lottery is open to # of tickets that can be sold.

Also how are you going to assure your site doesnt give away too many tickets?

Thanx

johnjimjones

27-09-2006 12:51:03

[quote5101977f44="fgr_admin"]

nice reply.

Still not sure I understand the privacy issue if your trying to run a legit site, but thats you.

However I notice you skipped over the part about how many tickets are being offered. is your site a raffle or lottery?

A raffle has a predetermined set # of tickets or spots

A lottery is open to # of tickets that can be sold.

Also how are you going to assure your site doesnt give away too many tickets?

Thanx[/quote5101977f44]

I don't think a raffle necessarily has to be limited to a number to tickets / spots. Many times it is, but [i5101977f44]I[/i5101977f44] don't think it has to.

FGNMarketing

27-09-2006 15:06:21

[quote3908ea2657]nice reply.

Still not sure I understand the privacy issue if your trying to run a legit site, but thats you.

However I notice you skipped over the part about how many tickets are being offered. is your site a raffle or lottery?

A raffle has a predetermined set # of tickets or spots

A lottery is open to # of tickets that can be sold.

Also how are you going to assure your site doesnt give away too many tickets?

Thanx[/quote3908ea2657]

I need 900 tickets before the raffle stops. Offers will be taken down when this is reached.

Also, many legit sites have private domains, most of them that dont often put in false information or dont completely fill out the form. Instead of putting fake information in, I chose to make it private. If there is a need for a phone number, I can arrange a 1-800 number. I'm in the process of leasing an office space, until than, all I can provide is a P.O. Box.

I appreciate your concern for the freeipodguide community, but I have no reason to run. I have already made deals with 2 dealers, and this project will only do good for my company's exposure.

Feel free to keep the questions coming, but I would appreciate your understanding on the privacy issue.

bruman

27-09-2006 15:23:26

[quotecfa93f9c1b="DIABLO"][quotecfa93f9c1b="bruman"]What happens when (and will most likely happen) it never reaches 100%?[/quotecfa93f9c1b]

It probably will sometime soon.[/quotecfa93f9c1b]

I highly doubt that. It will most likely be stuck after maybe 50 or so completions.. unless some hardcore advertising is done there is no way it'll ever reach 100%.

FGNMarketing

27-09-2006 15:33:51

I am advertising this. I will show proof of car decal, a possible booth at Honda-Tech. Our website decal on some evo's down at MOD. I'm also running an ad with 2 local newspapers. I will show proof of all of this once they start coming out.

Also, there's a new page added to the website.

http//evolved4free.com/whyevo.html

)

bruman

27-09-2006 15:51:38

And what happens if it never reaches 100%? Will you just profit all of the money?

FGNMarketing

27-09-2006 18:30:08

If it does not reach 100% every entry will be worth $40. That's how confident I'm that this will reach 100% by the end of this year or the beginning of next. Just like an incentive website would have "capital", I have a budget for advertising.

jy3

27-09-2006 20:15:17

Sorry, we're installing IonCube on our servers at the moment.
We'll be back before you know it!

Last Updated on September 27th, 2006 1020pm EST

hairyferry

27-09-2006 20:55:24

yeah I got the same thing

FGNMarketing

27-09-2006 21:15:23

Im still here, Ioncube went down, Im re-installing it. My server is up 99.9% of the time but its giving me a hard time today. Sorry again, also, Im coming up with a promotion so some of you guys can get something for free. Im giving away prizes throughout the whole process, I think this will be a good way to show that Im putting money into the project and my focus is not 100% profit.

fgr_admin

28-09-2006 06:45:53

[quoted46c872251="FGNMarketing"][quoted46c872251]nice reply.

Still not sure I understand the privacy issue if your trying to run a legit site, but thats you.

However I notice you skipped over the part about how many tickets are being offered. is your site a raffle or lottery?

A raffle has a predetermined set # of tickets or spots

A lottery is open to # of tickets that can be sold.

Also how are you going to assure your site doesnt give away too many tickets?

Thanx[/quoted46c872251]

I need 900 tickets before the raffle stops. Offers will be taken down when this is reached.

Also, many legit sites have private domains, most of them that dont often put in false information or dont completely fill out the form. Instead of putting fake information in, I chose to make it private. If there is a need for a phone number, I can arrange a 1-800 number. I'm in the process of leasing an office space, until than, all I can provide is a P.O. Box.

I appreciate your concern for the freeipodguide community, but I have no reason to run. I have already made deals with 2 dealers, and this project will only do good for my company's exposure.

Feel free to keep the questions coming, but I would appreciate your understanding on the privacy issue.[/quoted46c872251]

sweet x 2, lol

thank you for answering all my concerns. Once site goes back up will definitely check it out. Not sure if any offers available i can do but wont hurt to look.

johnjimjones

28-09-2006 06:52:42

shock

fgr has no more questions?

lol

shaggz

28-09-2006 12:41:49

[quote3c70f6bb30="johnjimjones"]shock

fgr has no more questions?

lol[/quote3c70f6bb30]

LOL -- My Thoughts Exactly !

FreeEnterprize Joe

28-09-2006 18:10:57

[quote31be9c34a0="shaggz"][quote31be9c34a0="johnjimjones"]shock

fgr has no more questions?

lol[/quote31be9c34a0]

LOL -- My Thoughts Exactly ![/quote31be9c34a0]

This sounds pretty legit to me.

bruman

28-09-2006 18:50:30

I'll be really really really surprised if this ever reaches 100% and someone receives the car.
I just don't see it happening.. there's not enough people that are willing to waste offers for something they have a 1 in 800 chance of winning.. and people in a newspaper and new people will be hesitant and wouldn't want to input there credit card or even want to deal with it.

FGNMarketing

28-09-2006 22:02:38

The site is back up guys, sorry for the downtime. The datacenter fixed everything with the server and we have succesfully upgrade to a new version of PHP. I'll also be adding some non-cc offers on there soon.

johnjimjones

29-09-2006 05:48:20

Ok so there's a 60 entry limit max per user so the best chance anyone has at the Evo is 6.66 (repeating, of course) (+karma to whoever gets that reference) percent of winning. Just throwing the odds out there.

FGNMarketing

29-09-2006 13:30:35

[quoteb31c71eff7="johnjimjones"]Ok so there's a 60 entry limit max per user so the best chance anyone has at the Evo is 6.66 (repeating, of course) (+karma to whoever gets that reference) percent of winning. Just throwing the odds out there.[/quoteb31c71eff7]

Wouldnt that be assuming everyone gets 60 entries?

TryinToGetPaid

29-09-2006 14:17:12

No. He said that is your best chance at winning, if you did all 60 offers.

johnjimjones

29-09-2006 15:17:58

[quote1002d227a9="TryinToGetPaid"]No. He said that is your best chance at winning, if you did all 60 offers.[/quote1002d227a9]

Right.

FGNMarketing

29-09-2006 18:24:08

[quote0c941929c9="johnjimjones"][quote0c941929c9="TryinToGetPaid"]No. He said that is your best chance at winning, if you did all 60 offers.[/quote0c941929c9]

Right.[/quote0c941929c9]

ahh gotcha P

fgr_admin

03-10-2006 14:00:16

[quote0684afbddf="bruman"]I'll be really really really surprised if this ever reaches 100% and someone receives the car.
I just don't see it happening.. there's not enough people that are willing to waste offers for something they have a 1 in 800 chance of winning.. and people in a newspaper and new people will be hesitant and wouldn't want to input there credit card or even want to deal with it.[/quote0684afbddf]

well after 5 more days its at 2% so at this rate 490 days till its 100%. Hopefully they havent started advertising yet so its only word of mouth at this time.

FreeEnterprize Joe

05-10-2006 13:05:53

FGNMarketing was banned from A4F today for having multiple usernames. FYI, his second username he used to pose as a newb doing his own site.

www.Points4Rewards.com

05-10-2006 13:51:15

[quote9a0d02bfeb="toebash"]FGNMarketing was banned from A4F today for having multiple usernames. FYI, his second username he used to pose as a newb doing his own site.[/quote9a0d02bfeb]

They are still promoting his website on the frontpage.

FreeEnterprize Joe

05-10-2006 13:56:41

Thanks for pointing that out... Also, it turns out he had about 5 usernames on A4F (some banned long ago).

VrExe

05-10-2006 14:49:42

So is his site legit or no? S

FreeEnterprize Joe

05-10-2006 15:19:33

Maybe.. he used to have "TechGadgets4free Staff" as a user name. I say proceed with caution. It probably wouldn't be worth the effort to work on this site/raffle though imo.

kidd2108

06-10-2006 08:13:09

Agreed. They'll never make it now w/o support from a4f or fipg(assuming he was banned here instead of a4f.

bruman

06-10-2006 09:52:07

[quote9f826f96e2="kidd2108"]Agreed. They'll never make it now w/o support from a4f or fipg(assuming he was banned here instead of a4f.[/quote9f826f96e2]

It was never going to make it anyways

kidd2108

06-10-2006 11:20:27

It probably wasnt, but I tought they had a minimal chance.

KnightTrader

06-10-2006 20:20:46

Maybe at 99% Ill try. But If this was legit, you could get a lot of local news coverage or something if you tried. And looks too shady ;/

FGNMarketing

16-10-2006 00:06:10

Just to clear up our a4f ban. We were banned for being accused of making an additional username to promote my own website. This was due to the fact that I was over in PA for about 5 days getting ready to attend a Microsoft TECHNET Event regarding Windows Vista. At the time I was there, I stayed at a friends house, this was before my website was launched, he gained interested in my website and its concept while looking over my work. Since I was on his network while signing in to a4f, both of our usernames matched, for 5 days. My friend has made attempts to prove this story, but it's not worth my time.

In regards to the website, our website was never made in intent to only promote on a4f and freebie forums. Our a4f ban has not showed any change in interest, so far our advertising has been word of mouth. Our advertising campaign does not set in until November.

If there are any additional questions, I'll be checking up periodically.

jy3

16-10-2006 07:15:28

those people at a4f are insane

Killer722

16-10-2006 08:21:41

[quote2dfba02ebb="jy3"]those people at a4f are insane[/quote2dfba02ebb] lol Yeah most of them.

YourGiftsFree

16-10-2006 11:19:28

[quote1674e6539f="jy3"]those people at a4f are insane[/quote1674e6539f]

QFT

TFOAF

16-10-2006 11:32:06

I won the car.

Just kidding. D

FreeEnterprize Joe

16-10-2006 11:47:06

[quote91c996e36a="FGNMarketing"]Just to clear up our a4f ban. We were banned for being accused of making an additional username to promote my own website. This was due to the fact that I was over in PA for about 5 days getting ready to attend a Microsoft TECHNET Event regarding Windows Vista. At the time I was there, I stayed at a friends house, this was before my website was launched, he gained interested in my website and its concept while looking over my work. Since I was on his network while signing in to a4f, both of our usernames matched, for 5 days. My friend has made attempts to prove this story, but it's not worth my time.

In regards to the website, our website was never made in intent to only promote on a4f and freebie forums. Our a4f ban has not showed any change in interest, so far our advertising has been word of mouth. Our advertising campaign does not set in until November.

If there are any additional questions, I'll be checking up periodically.[/quote91c996e36a]

If it was just 2 usernames, your story would work out. However, you had 7 usernames banned total. It was just the shared IP with your friend which caused us to look closer into your account. While A4F may be crazy, you still had ties to techgadget4free and another previously banned user which merited the ban.

FGNMarketing

17-10-2006 02:06:23

[quoted47188eec9="toebash"][quoted47188eec9="FGNMarketing"]Just to clear up our a4f ban. We were banned for being accused of making an additional username to promote my own website. This was due to the fact that I was over in PA for about 5 days getting ready to attend a Microsoft TECHNET Event regarding Windows Vista. At the time I was there, I stayed at a friends house, this was before my website was launched, he gained interested in my website and its concept while looking over my work. Since I was on his network while signing in to a4f, both of our usernames matched, for 5 days. My friend has made attempts to prove this story, but it's not worth my time.

In regards to the website, our website was never made in intent to only promote on a4f and freebie forums. Our a4f ban has not showed any change in interest, so far our advertising has been word of mouth. Our advertising campaign does not set in until November.

If there are any additional questions, I'll be checking up periodically.[/quoted47188eec9]

If it was just 2 usernames, your story would work out. However, you had 7 usernames banned total. It was just the shared IP with your friend which caused us to look closer into your account. While A4F may be crazy, you still had ties to techgadget4free and another previously banned user which merited the ban.[/quoted47188eec9]

Yet til this day when I ask for proof that my IP had any ties to any other username other than a friends, I get no response. I'm over it though, a4f was not my main plan of exposure, I'd rather put my resources elsewhere.