Major problem...I'm scared. Please help.

So I did that Carleton Sheets offer...I got the package today. I didn't open it. Nothing. So far I was charged the $9.99 like they said.

Now I read this

http//www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q2=&q3=&q4=&q5=Carlton+Sheets&q6=&q7=&SearchType=0&DateRange=6&hasPhoto=&Entry=16

What do I do now?

http//www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff118459.htm

Again, the package is just sitting in my house, unopened.

I have all the UPS tracking info saved in my UPS account, and the transaction of the charge as well.

Awww crap, I just received mine yesterday (

I did Carleton Sheets as an I-Deal offer several months ago. Had no trouble with it at all, and the CSR I spoke with was very nice and polite. I had a genuine interest in the product, watched some of the DVD's, skimmed through the reading material, then decided it wasn't for me. The CSR told me what I could keep out of the box as my gifts, and gave me the RMA. It cost me like $8 to ship the rest back UPS, and I've never had a single problem. One of the easier offers I've done, in fact. shrug

Shit. We have to pay for shipping it back? O_O

Thanks for your input David.

I also didn't have any problems at all.

Me either.

[quotee36cde4f12="TFOAF"]Shit. We have to pay for shipping it back? O_O[/quotee36cde4f12]
Of course, as you do with any trial offer that requires you to return product if you aren't interested. I haven't seen one yet that pays for the return shipping.

Mmm. How much do you think it will cost? Considering that UPS states it's an 8 pound package.

[quotefe29886cad="TFOAF"]Mmm. How much do you think it will cost? Considering that UPS states it's an 8 pound package.[/quotefe29886cad]
As I said... it cost me $8. You take out some of the stuff to keep as free gifts. I don't remember what my return shipping weight was exactly.

I see. I'm afraid to even open it. So I'm leaving it sealed, even with that hard plastic strap around the box.

So then you weren't even interested in the offer?

Wow, way to do an offer you aren't even remotely interested in.

...I'm returning it because I don't want to take the chance of having these problems I read about. It's just a precaution.

Way to start arguing against me again...when that's not what this topic was about.

After reading the one rip off report where they charged him $2,500, I'd be VERY wary of even opening the damn package.

[quote6da279edb3="Excel"]After reading the one rip off report where they charged him $2,500, I'd be VERY wary of even opening the damn package.[/quote6da279edb3]
WTH? The whole program only costs $240, how the hell did they charge him $2500? He's either full of crap, or it was a legitimate error. Carleton Sheets has been around for ages, and is actually quite popular with the real-estate hobbiests. In other words, it's a reputable company and I just can't see them intentionally charging somebody 10x the purchase price. Like I said, they treated me very nicely.

His programs don't reveal any earth-shattering, never-before-known secrets or anything, but it's a ton of information conveniently collected in a very professional package, and would be well worth the $240 price tag to anybody just starting out in RE. If I had the time to devote to pursing property, I would have kept the offer. Maybe when my last kid leaves home and I have more time...

[quote4533ff7abb="TFOAF"]...I'm returning it because I don't want to take the chance of having these problems I read about. It's just a precaution.

Way to start arguing against me again...when that's not what this topic was about.[/quote4533ff7abb]

Ya, I forgot, the topic was about how to not get overcharged for an offer that you were not even remotely interested in, my bad. ? If you did this offer on Fusioncash, then Admin would kill you.
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[quote1eac491db3="dmorris68"][quote1eac491db3="TFOAF"]Shit. We have to pay for shipping it back? O_O[/quote1eac491db3]
Of course, as you do with any trial offer that requires you to return product if you aren't interested. I haven't seen one yet that pays for the return shipping.[/quote1eac491db3]

What about Blockbuster? ;)

[quote1eac491db3="dmorris68"]Carleton Sheets has been around for ages, and is actually quite popular with the real-estate hobbiests. In other words, it's a reputable company and I just can't see them intentionally charging somebody 10x the purchase price. Like I said, they treated me very nicely.

His programs don't reveal any earth-shattering, never-before-known secrets or anything, but it's a ton of information conveniently collected in a very professional package, and would be well worth the $240 price tag to anybody just starting out in RE. If I had the time to devote to pursing property, I would have kept the offer. Maybe when my last kid leaves home and I have more time...[/quote1eac491db3]

Isn't the bulk of his advice geared towards foreclosures? That aspect of it always bugged me. (Making profit off someone's misfortune etc.)

[quote82b4fef687="Daggoth"][quote82b4fef687="TFOAF"]...I'm returning it because I don't want to take the chance of having these problems I read about. It's just a precaution.

Way to start arguing against me again...when that's not what this topic was about.[/quote82b4fef687]

Ya, I forgot, the topic was about how to not get overcharged for an offer that you were not even remotely interested in, my bad. ? If you did this offer on Fusioncash, then Admin would kill you.
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what an ass.. you aren't even involved in this thread, and with a TR of 108, i highly doubt you were interested in every offer you've ever done.

[quotee4325a8406="zdub08"][quotee4325a8406="Daggoth"][quotee4325a8406="TFOAF"]...I'm returning it because I don't want to take the chance of having these problems I read about. It's just a precaution.

Way to start arguing against me again...when that's not what this topic was about.[/quotee4325a8406]

Ya, I forgot, the topic was about how to not get overcharged for an offer that you were not even remotely interested in, my bad. ? If you did this offer on Fusioncash, then Admin would kill you.
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what an ass.. you aren't even involved in this thread, and with a TR of 108, i highly doubt you were interested in every offer you've ever done.[/quotee4325a8406]

You would be surprised at how badly some people in my family want to lose weight.

[quote9c8ffb56dd="Daggoth"][quote9c8ffb56dd="zdub08"][quote9c8ffb56dd="Daggoth"][quote9c8ffb56dd="TFOAF"]...I'm returning it because I don't want to take the chance of having these problems I read about. It's just a precaution.

Way to start arguing against me again...when that's not what this topic was about.[/quote9c8ffb56dd]

Ya, I forgot, the topic was about how to not get overcharged for an offer that you were not even remotely interested in, my bad. ? If you did this offer on Fusioncash, then Admin would kill you.
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what an ass.. you aren't even involved in this thread, and with a TR of 108, i highly doubt you were interested in every offer you've ever done.[/quote9c8ffb56dd]

You would be surprised at how badly some people in my family want to lose weight.[/quote9c8ffb56dd]
yeah i bet i would be surpised... and do you continue to pay for the autoship program for these people?

That's not the point--sites require an interest in the offer, it says nowhere (unless it's an OOD or something) that we have to continue on the autoshop.

TFOAF isn't even showing an interest in Carleton Sheets.

Sorry, forgot to comment on this.

I have been using Blockbuster for over a year, and I have stayed past the autoship on a few offers like 1800Patches, which my family was interested in.

yea daggoth is still usin the fake id offer.

[quote4a61ab5973="Tholek"][quote4a61ab5973="dmorris68"][quote4a61ab5973="TFOAF"]Shit. We have to pay for shipping it back? O_O[/quote4a61ab5973]
Of course, as you do with any trial offer that requires you to return product if you aren't interested. I haven't seen one yet that pays for the return shipping.[/quote4a61ab5973]

What about Blockbuster? ;)[/quote4a61ab5973]

Touche. P

Actually, now that I think about it, some of the Scholastic offers that require a return claim the return is done at [i4a61ab5973]their[/i4a61ab5973] expense, but I've not tried one that I had to return yet.

And I've also been a BlockBuster member since I signed up -- it was my very first freebie offer on Gratis' FreeiPods site, nearly 2 years ago. I've also stayed on Gevalia and Boca Java autoships for about 8 months now. Love the coffee. ) There have been several others that I stayed on past the trial, but eventually cancelled.

[quote4a61ab5973="Tholek"][quote4a61ab5973="dmorris68"]Carleton Sheets has been around for ages, and is actually quite popular with the real-estate hobbiests. In other words, it's a reputable company and I just can't see them intentionally charging somebody 10x the purchase price. Like I said, they treated me very nicely.

His programs don't reveal any earth-shattering, never-before-known secrets or anything, but it's a ton of information conveniently collected in a very professional package, and would be well worth the $240 price tag to anybody just starting out in RE. If I had the time to devote to pursing property, I would have kept the offer. Maybe when my last kid leaves home and I have more time...[/quote4a61ab5973]

Isn't the bulk of his advice geared towards foreclosures? That aspect of it always bugged me. (Making profit off someone's misfortune etc.)[/quote4a61ab5973]
Much of it is, yes. He also targets other distressed properties, minor fixer-uppers, those who are forced to move for other reasons and need a quick sale, government seizures, etc. But probably the bulk are foreclosures.

Most foreclosure purchases come post-foreclosure, I think, which is really not taking advantage of the (former) property owner -- they've already been evicted before you came along to buy, so I don't have a problem with that. Now some buyers will find out about pending foreclosure and show up at the person's door offering them bottom-dollar for their property. That might seem a bit distasteful, but if you think about, it's actually probably best for the owner. They avoid the inevitable foreclosure, which is a much worse situation, and if they have enough equity in the home they'll usually get to keep a little. Everybody leaves happy(er). )

Wow Craig... frauder. You're 16, wow... 16 year old doing an 18yr + offer when your not interested in it. It's people like YOU that got tickle and AOL and some of the best offers removed. You sign up, get paid, and forget about it. Did you even read what you were paying the $9.95 for????? You must have not, because it clearly states that you will receive the package. Send it back un-opened and your credit will revoked. I looked at it, didn't really have that much interest in it and sent it back. I kept the free gift stuff and USED it. That's what they pay you for, they don't pay a 16 year old to get a box and ship it back without even opening it.

lock plz. problem solved.

[quoteb81f9e2338="TFOAF"]lock plz. problem solved.[/quoteb81f9e2338]

Man, when anything heats up, you request a lock. roll

More like, whenever he realizes he was wrong and wants to save face.

There wasn't supposed to be a discussion about me. It was supposed to be a discussion about the offer itself, and its legitimacy. So drop all these false accusations against me.

Thanks. ?

So please...mod/admin. Please lock.

tfoaf=frauder

TFOAF is not a frauder. Even though I like DIABLO, he had no right in talking about age.

I agree YGF. there is a lot of UNDERAGE people on this forum, and Diablo would be one of them....

i was just giving tfoaf a hard time after tylerc and daggoth attacked him

i heard diable is 13 shock

I don't think age was the point of discussion as much as

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Again, the package is just sitting in my house, unopened.
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[quote10d831f4b4="Daggoth"]I don't think age was the point of discussion as much as

[quote10d831f4b4]
Again, the package is just sitting in my house, unopened.
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I said I didn't open it for precautionary reasons. What don't you understand?

He is dub.....I wonder how he does all HIS offers?

I did Carleton Sheets and had no issues at all... Just make sure you insure and have delivery confirmation and you shouldn't have a problem. Again, this has nothing to do with intentionally cancelling offers and/or fraud. I'm only offering this advice if you're legitimately not interested in the offer received.

I listened to the 12 CD Audio program and personally I think it's a bunch of crap. It's like those How To Make Money on eBay programs (where all they tell you to do is go to garage sales, shop secondhand stores and use dropshippers [yet they don't even offer a single source except to look it up on the internet]).

... and they are notorious for calling you for that Live Help thing... I kept getting called at 5 AM-6 AM every single day.. and I bitched at them and they say "Oh well... it's 10 AM"... and I have to tell them "I FUCKIN' LIVE IN ALASKA! QUIT CALLING HERE SO GOD DAMN EARLY!".. They just didn't get the message or just kept calling me back to piss me off... Maybe both ?

[quote09a0490ef5="DIABLO"]Wow Craig... frauder. You're 16, wow... 16 year old doing an 18yr + offer when your not interested in it. It's people like YOU that got tickle and AOL and some of the best offers removed. You sign up, get paid, and forget about it. Did you even read what you were paying the $9.95 for????? You must have not, because it clearly states that you will receive the package. Send it back un-opened and your credit will revoked. I looked at it, didn't really have that much interest in it and sent it back. I kept the free gift stuff and USED it. That's what they pay you for, they don't pay a 16 year old to get a box and ship it back without even opening it.[/quote09a0490ef5]

This was the age part we were talking about.

Where he calls TFOAF a frauder but that would be hypocritical.

Jesus Christ... this thread got hateful fast!

It doesn't matter what my age is, I don't do offers and sites that require you to be 18 or older, or sometimes if I really want to do it I ask my dad to sign up. It's not like being a minor automatically makes you a frauder/scammer. It's just that most kids lie about their age to do offers(Which I don't)

YGF - Did you call me a frauder? (

Don't all sites require you to be 18?

[quote751c12c6d6="TryinToGetPaid"]Don't all sites require you to be 18?[/quote751c12c6d6]

No...

YGF - doesn't have an age limitation in their TOS.
Trainn - no limitation
Rewardz Network - 13 or older
Order4Free - 13 or older
Free4Every1 - 13 or older
ThisStuffIsFree - 13 or older

And many others. If it's 18+ I ask my dad to use his info for me.

Yeah, but if the offers require you to use a credit card, they are 18+. So your dad does every offer that requires a credit card? I highly doubt that....

I'm not a site owner so I won't presume to know this for a fact, but as I understand it, using your Dad's info or his credit card would be considered a violation of TOS. Ergo, fraud.

But I'm not using it. He is. I ask the owners of the site if I can basically let him do the offer through my link, which they say yes.(YGF still does for a fact, he even said my friend could do an offer through my link) I also use prepaids on sites that don't say I can't use them. I also have a WaMu debit card for sites that don't let you use a prepaid.

Also, I belive you can use anybody's credit card as long as you have their permission, I don't mean like your neighbors but like your mom or dad's if they say okay.

Yes, I've heard Jake say as well that as far as Freepay was concerned, you can use someone else's CC with their permission. However you must complete offers under your own name/address, and some offers will not allow separate billing info.

I'm surprised site owners, to include YGF, are saying it's okay to allow other people to complete offers on your account. That seems to fly in the face of every TOS I've ever seen. ?

I think this topic should be locked, its getting off topic, and if it keeps progressing as is, I have a feeling it might not have a good outcome.

[quoteb3e31f9144="Excel"]I think this topic should be locked, its getting off topic, and if it keeps progressing as is, I have a feeling it might not have a good outcome.[/quoteb3e31f9144]
I agree we've ventured way off-topic, and am inclined to lock on that basis.

However the discussion about what is and is not considered fraud with regards to specific sites is a relevant and healthy discussion. And if, in the process, fraudsters are outed, I consider that a positive thing. ;)

[quotefefe1290a6="dmorris68"] And if, in the process, fraudsters are outed, I consider that a positive thing. ;)[/quotefefe1290a6]

Agreed.

[quotefcc453216f="dmorris68"]Yes, I've heard Jake say as well that as far as Freepay was concerned, you can use someone else's CC with their permission. However you must complete offers under your own name/address, and some offers will not allow separate billing info.

I'm surprised site owners, [bfcc453216f]to include YGF, are saying it's okay to allow other people to complete offers on your account. [/bfcc453216f]That seems to fly in the face of every TOS I've ever seen. ?[/quotefcc453216f]

That is not true, we do not allow people to do offers for other people.

[quote15313cf092="YourGiftsFree"][quote15313cf092="dmorris68"]Yes, I've heard Jake say as well that as far as Freepay was concerned, you can use someone else's CC with their permission. However you must complete offers under your own name/address, and some offers will not allow separate billing info.

I'm surprised site owners, [b15313cf092]to include YGF, are saying it's okay to allow other people to complete offers on your account. [/b15313cf092]That seems to fly in the face of every TOS I've ever seen. ?[/quote15313cf092]

That is not true, we do not allow people to do offers for other people.[/quote15313cf092]
As I figured, and that's why DIABLO's post caught me by surprise

[quote15313cf092="DIABLO"]But I'm not using it. He is. [b15313cf092]I ask the owners of the site if I can basically let him do the offer through my link, which they say yes.(YGF still does for a fact, he even said my friend could do an offer through my link)[/b15313cf092] I also use prepaids on sites that don't say I can't use them. I also have a WaMu debit card for sites that don't let you use a prepaid. [/quote15313cf092]

He means for the promo. Referring people to do offers for the promo.

[quotec52074ca06="YourGiftsFree"]He means for the promo. Referring people to do offers for the promo.[/quotec52074ca06]
If you say so, it's your site ;) but his comment sure reads differently to me.

Ah, I misunderstood him when I talked to him ( Some sites let you do this, I usually do the Rewardz Network and they let me all the time. (I work for them) )

Wow. You just got caught frauding. Good job. Frauder.

I'm lost here, what did Diablo do to fraud, TTGP?