New rules to help prevent scammers?

I was wondering. Why doesn't FIPG institute some new rules that might help deter scammers?

I am disabled & unable to work. I cannot afford to be scammed, but I already have been. I am now scared to trade with newbies. From what I've seen, scammers like to do very easy sites(trainn) & get paid instantly on green. Why not institute a rule that says anyone with a TR lower than 10 has to wait three business days to get paid?

I believe most bad offers show up within three days. Mine certainly did. I would think that this would deter most scammers. If you are serious about doing this, waiting three days is nothing.

What do ya'll think? Good idea? Bad idea?

LLee

yep this is a good idea D

you have my vote , i think its a great idea D

GREAT IDEA )

Agreed. This is a great idea! )

I like that idea as well ^^

A good idea I suppose, I would say that one shouldn't pay on green though. This is an easy way to help avoid being scammed.

[quote262470e4a3="LLee93"]I was wondering. Why doesn't FIPG institute some new rules that might help deter scammers?

I am disabled & unable to work. I cannot afford to be scammed, but I already have been. I am now scared to trade with newbies. From what I've seen, scammers like to do very easy sites(trainn) & get paid instantly on green. Why not institute a rule that says anyone with a TR lower than 10 has to wait three business days to get paid?

I believe most bad offers show up within three days. Mine certainly did. I would think that this would deter most scammers. If you are serious about doing this, waiting three days is nothing.

What do ya'll think? Good idea? Bad idea?

LLee[/quote262470e4a3]

If youve been scammed, you need to report them before they scam someone else.

Anyways, I agree with your idea, which is similar to mine. I think all newbies need to wait till they pass approval and reach a certain amount of TR. How hard is it for a scammer to get banned and come right back, ask to get paid on green and scam more people?

There's nothing that says you have to pay on green. You can say you'll pay on approval, or half and half...

[quote8483da6e08="kidd2108"]I think all newbies need to wait till they pass approval and reach a certain amount of TR. How hard is it for a scammer to get banned and come right back, ask to get paid on green and scam more people?[/quote8483da6e08]

A noble idea, but I think a true scammer would only have to wait until they reach the required TR then go right to work again. In fact, the required TR could easily provide a sense of false security to those who are worried about being victims of a scam. The current situation is tough to deal with if you're not careful, but in all reality makes us genine traders all the more better as we must stay aware of those scams which are possible, which in turn makes us better traders anyway. I only think a required TR would provide a false sense of security that could potentially make scams even more unexpected when they happen and therefore more difficult to solve because of being blindsided. Ehh, just my humble opinion )

Just be aware of what you're doing, that's all.

I like the idea....... I like the idea of EVERYONE having to follow this rule if it were implemented. Right now, if you don't pay on green it is harder to get refs, agree? I know you protect yourself by paying on approval but most newbies (the good ones and scammers) want to be paid on green because they know most traders will do it. I'm guilty of paying too many newbies on green - I'll admit that. This idea would certainly help lower "the risk" of paying on green then having the red show up during the approval process. Plus, it will eliminate some of the scammers...... you got my vote!!

I do not have the high TR here, but RS is a lot higher. I always tend to pay on approval to newbies, but if I do pay on green it is for sites that automatically verify referrals like cash.whypayitsfree. Anyways, good idea.

I like the idea too...have been spending sooo much time worrying over being scammed, that I really haven't gotten much accomplished.

Only problem is that new people are so hard to get, that everyone jumps on them and are willing to pay on green just to get a referral, and damn the consequences till later, then complain, rightfully so, about being scammed....

The person above who mentioned that it would lend a false sense of security, is correct, and a forward thinking individual wink .

The idea is good, but for every scam that is caught, 7 more pop up to outwit us. A shame, when honest money can be made.

My 2 cents wink

yes it would be a good ideal. Now if you could implement it to all the forums out there it may work. When I was new and if this forum had that rule I would have just went to a forum where they were not so strict. Yes you will cut down on the scammers but it is my belive that you will also cut down on future great traders like yourself. Just somthing to think about

I think the more something is regulated the less enjoyable it is. Part of the fun is learning how to survive without getting snickered. )

Its a great idea, but unless EVERYONE does it, its not going to work - besides, the people with high amounts of TR are just as likely to scam. I've only been scammed two - three times and its been by 50++ TR users.

i think it is a good idea. since i have been doing mostly noncc sites i require people to wait to get paid if they want to trade with me for nocc sites unless their TR > 14. sometimes i ask if they can wait anyway just b/c there is high fraud rate for nocc sites.
as for other sites, i use my own TR > 14 rule. if they want to get paid on green i tell them to go elsewhere.
marketingman knows about this rule as unfortunately he is waiting for someone to get manual credit before i can submit for approval and now his tr is higher than when we inititiated the trade. luckily he knows i am going no where.
i do not mind taking longer to get people to trade if it means i will not be out $5-$30/trade )

[quote30ab4bfe17="Excel"]Its a great idea, but unless EVERYONE does it, its not going to work - besides, the people with high amounts of TR are just as likely to scam. I've only been scammed two - three times and its been by 50++ TR users.[/quote30ab4bfe17]

your phrase "just as likely" is the wrong phrase to use. i think the frequency of traders with high TR scamming is much much lower than newbies. i think what u mean is that just b/c people have high TR it does not insulate us against fraud.

i was scammed by someone with TR in the teens and someone with high TR.

Yes, and it looks like, at least so far, that my first time being a victm of a scam will come from a user with almost 50 TR! I'm still waiting to hear from both fly351 and the mod's on this thing, but to no avail, have heard nothing from anyone (

i think that it is a great idea. it's not like we can't wait 3 stinking days for 10, 20, 30, or 40 at the most. most of the time the offers will take longer than that. i have no problem with waiting a couple of days, however with the approval thing, it can screw some ppl over can then some ppl start to forget trades.

I pay most on approval and have never forgotten a trade. you have to keep records or you will get in troulble down the line.

Here's my system First of all, I offer a $5 bonus for anyone who greens in less than 24 hrs, so I set my list price $5 lower than what I would normally pay for the site. I only pay on approval if TR is less than 10.....and that's just the way it goes. Once a person passes approval for me, normally, if they have other pending greens that are waiting for approval, I will pay them. I also keep very clean records of every move I make. I always PM people to verify paypal once they have passed approval, and a lot of times, the new people who have greened, and waited for approval, don't respond to my PM. I'm waiting on about 6 newbies to respond with a paypal address so that I can pay them. I also don't mind the impatience of newbies. I had one recently that PM'd me every day, if not twice a day, for almost 2 weeks, asking how I was doing on the site. I had informed her that I hoped to be done in a day or two, and when a day or two went by and I still didn't have my last referral, let alone pass approval, she got very impatient. That's when I CALMLY explained that this is all a part of the freebie world. Sometimes things don't work out the way we would like them too = ).

Anyways, I agree with all the suggestions in this thread, but I believe too that FIPG doesn't need to make it a rule. Us regular/reliable traders should just implement the rule ourselves. And yes there will always be the traders that jump all over the newbies as soon as they post, but in my opinion, THAT'S GREAT. Let them train the new person and weed out the scammers for us = )

that is a good point about paypal addresses. i have had problems with people PMing me their emails and not putting it in the module. in that case i edit my part and put in
"his paypal= xxx.com"

Well the simple fact is getting paid on approval sux for the green waiting to get paid. Once youve done your 1st offer and wait to get paid maybe a month later just sux. When i 1st started i thought paid on approval meant instant payment when i completed the site then ended up waiting and waiting and PMing and PMing wondering why i wasnt paid then i caught on and just waited. In the meantime the trader was getting impatient because i wouldnt leave them be....so needless to say paying on the green helps attract more people to this forum maybe scammers as well, but the good traders far outweigh the scammers so i just will take that chance.

I think that is a great idea. I still pay on approval to avoid scams, but for those that pay on green three days shouldn't be a big deal for someone who is honest and serious about this for long terms cash.

Good idea! wink
Amy

I just do sites w/ good AIM support, so I have them look at my refs right after they green. It seems to keep me from getting scammed.

I've done that as well, and in some cases I've opened asupport ticket and aske dthem to look at a ref account and they usually get back to me and let me know if there are any problems. That has acutally allowed me to pay people that have been waiting too long for approval.

Amy

Well maybe I am alone with this problem but I lost around $50 on users with TR less 10 or something like that but I lost around $400 on users with TR 25,50 or even higher.

I think all noobs must wait till approval. If everyone would stick to that rule noone would cry that anything happend.

But its not the solution for the scammer problem.

If scammers would get punished in any kinda way which is not just banning them from the forums then we could prevent us from getting scammed. I know its expensive to pay for lawyers and stuff like that but unfortunately its one of the only ways.

I'm kinda torn on the whole topic actually. On one hand, it would warn scammers, but who's to say they wait the 3 days and still run with your money? Most of the trials are for 7 days or longer, so it's not like they'd be worried about paying fees. Also, the pay on approval thing, which I don't have a lirealli problem with, does kind of inhibit those that rely on the money from going green to pay other people for going green. Like for instance you go green on Bob's site, and Joe goes green for you. Bob is waiting on approval and gets a scammer, so you have to wait for Bob to get ANOTHER green, finally cash out, all the while Joe is waiting for you to pay him on green and you have to explain to him that you don't have money to pay him until Bob pays you. This may not always be the case, but it happens.
I do agree that 3 days isn't that long to wait, and no one should be upset, but some people that ARE honest, may rely on getting paid instant green so they can buy groceries, or whatnot because this is their only income, or whatever.
Anyway, just my thoughts, I could be wrong on the whole thing.

Just a word of warning. If this is your only income, Get a job.

[quoted1872a9f2b="gator1002"]Just a word of warning. If this is your only income, Get a job.[/quoted1872a9f2b]

This is my only form of income. My boyfriend works full time and we use his paychecks for bills, and mine for "play". Although possibly unreliable at times, it works )

And as for helping to prevent scammers, I think it would be great if everyone who left feedback, put in the feeback what site the person completed. That way if they PM you saying they can do a site they've already done before, you'll know right away. Not that that doesn't mean that can't complete the same offer more than once....I dunno. Just a thought shrug )

I say get a job ^ -p