PostalService Went Red [Confirmed Scammer]

PostalService has gone red on both of his greens on YourPS34Free.com. He told me that he had a friend that was willing to go green on my site, and "both of them" did green within a matter of hours. However, I found out today that PostalService has frauded TraInn and most likely has scammed me. Has anybody else had this user go red?

Yes, Twon has this user red on their 3604free site...looks like she is going to be owing a lot people money.

I am not confident that i will get my money back...

Anyone remember her name on AIM?

lol i guess "findme" is going to be pissed too since POSTALSERIVCE was complaining that he didn't want to pay her.

Postal Service went red for me on YourFreeVideoiPods.com. I already initated a paypal dispute. Plus I just turned in that site too. Back to scrounging up another green.

jbs

I saw her thread in the Trading Post and to me it just looked fishy. I wasn't very trusting of her, I'm glad that I trusted my gut.

Hope everybody gets their money back.

she went red on me too. lukily she went red almost as soon as she greened.

She has some guts coming here and doing this...Findme should file a paypal dispute

Looks like "she" is actually a HE

She posted this on A4f

"my friend john cooper from school told me that I could do the same offer then just have money directed to his paypal account and he would pay me half of it, I didn't realize all this as I am leaving today for spring break his email= is email=batmanvision2020@yahoo.combatmanvision2020@yahoo.com is email=batmanvision2020@yahoo.combatmanvision2020@yahoo.com/email I am sure he can help you out cause at school he explained he makes alot of money from this. Sorry I will return in a few weeks & give johnthan a call today."

LMAO lol Whose John?

Yes that was a remarkably ballsy scam. Even had the moxy to call out Findme when he balked on paying. He should have just run off at that point.

Anyway.

He/she did desktopcomputers4free under the email= email=postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com email=postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com/email. He/she is still green, but I have filed a support ticket to trainn to investigate.

It would be helpful if everyone posted what sites were done and under what emails.

email==postaltime20@yahoo.compostaltime20@yahoo.com=postaltime20@yahoo.compostaltime20@yahoo.com/email
email==grabingo2003@yahoo.comgrabingo2003@yahoo.com=grabingo2003@yahoo.comgrabingo2003@yahoo.com/email

Both of these e-mails were used to sign up for YourPS34Free.com. I've PMed a few people and it seems like PostalService was doing the same sites for people. =/

I'm out $46. ?

Hopefully it was only train sites and Allen can contain this problem.

I had done a trade with her/him as well and have already filed a paypal dispute. S/he went red on me for yourps34free.

this just makes me sick. He did my 3604free site and went red he also did my yourfreevideoipod site and went red. I'll be putting in a dispute to paypal. his Aim name is golfdevopark.

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You guys probably won't get your money back...I know some people already had their pp claims denied.

[quoteb50ce7c786="O4F-Manofice"]You guys probably won't get your money back...I know some people already had their pp claims denied.[/quoteb50ce7c786]
$46 down the drain? cry

Why would Paypal deny their claims? What about calling Paypal, would that work?

[quotef2c2d719fd="Flamarial"][quotef2c2d719fd="O4F-Manofice"]You guys probably won't get your money back...I know some people already had their pp claims denied.[/quotef2c2d719fd]
$46 down the drain? cry

Why would Paypal deny their claims? What about calling Paypal, would that work?[/quotef2c2d719fd]

No...paypal has so many clauses that make it very hard to get your money back. The only chance is maybe not banning them and hope they come back to post...because I think the paypal account is her friends account not hers...as the friend was the one informing her to scam...so we have to find out her friend is. email==batmanvision2020@yahoo.combatmanvision2020@yahoo.com=batmanvision2020@yahoo.combatmanvision2020@yahoo.com/email is the email address of the friend I guess.

[quote1cbaea0f9d="michelleb"]this just makes me sick. He did my 3604free site and went red he also did my yourfreevideoipod site and went red. I'll be putting in a dispute to paypal. his Aim name is golfdevopark.[/quote1cbaea0f9d]

amazing I have a email==golfdevopark@yahoo.comgolfdevopark@yahoo.com=golfdevopark@yahoo.comgolfdevopark@yahoo.com/email that is yellow on my desktopscomputers4free but I did not know who it was.

BTWI am giving Karma to everyone who was scammed, maybe it will make you feels better. )

+karma for the karma...

[quote1be1bf1853="ghstlegacy17"]I had done a trade with her/him as well and have already filed a paypal dispute. S/he went red on me for yourps34free.[/quote1be1bf1853]


What do you put when yuo file a dispute? i have two users from these forums that are currently on hold also and have not gotten back to me, any help on what to put on the paypal dispute would be helpful 8)

[quote70ce6cd9f2="Flamarial"][quote70ce6cd9f2="O4F-Manofice"]You guys probably won't get your money back...I know some people already had their pp claims denied.[/quote70ce6cd9f2]
$46 down the drain? cry

Why would Paypal deny their claims? What about calling Paypal, would that work?[/quote70ce6cd9f2]
PayPal policy is to deny all claims for intangible transactions, i.e those involving services or other than physical items. About the only times I've heard of PayPal approving claims against referral scammers, was when the parties falsely claimed there was some "item" being sold. Which could itself be construed as a violation of PayPal terms and considered fraud, so I don't recommend you do that. You know, the irony and all...

That said, I always encourage people to report scammers to PayPal regardless. Even knowing that you'll get denied, I have to believe that PayPal logs records of all disputes, even those that are denied. Let somebody accumulate several disputes against them for the same thing, and odds are PayPal will take note of that person and eventually exercise its option to terminate that persons' account. Or to freeze that person's funds at the slightest indication of shadiness during their next eBay transaction. Whatever. So follow through with the complaint regardless, just don't expect any money back.

[quote316373f5a5="gmario"][quote316373f5a5="ghstlegacy17"]I had done a trade with her/him as well and have already filed a paypal dispute. S/he went red on me for yourps34free.[/quote316373f5a5]


What do you put when yuo file a dispute? i have two users from these forums that are currently on hold also and have not gotten back to me, any help on what to put on the paypal dispute would be helpful 8)[/quote316373f5a5]
I've been wondering about that too... ?

[quote474e847cf8="dmorris68"][quote474e847cf8="Flamarial"][quote474e847cf8="O4F-Manofice"]You guys probably won't get your money back...I know some people already had their pp claims denied.[/quote474e847cf8]
$46 down the drain? cry

Why would Paypal deny their claims? What about calling Paypal, would that work?[/quote474e847cf8]
PayPal policy is to deny all claims for intangible transactions, i.e those involving services or other than physical items. About the only times I've heard of PayPal approving claims against referral scammers, was when the parties falsely claimed there was some "item" being sold. Which could itself be construed as a violation of PayPal terms and considered fraud, so I don't recommend you do that. You know, the irony and all...

That said, I always encourage people to report scammers to PayPal regardless. Even knowing that you'll get denied, I have to believe that PayPal logs records of all disputes, even those that are denied. Let somebody accumulate several disputes against them for the same thing, and odds are PayPal will take note of that person and eventually exercise its option to terminate that persons' account. Or to freeze that person's funds at the slightest indication of shadiness during their next eBay transaction. Whatever. So follow through with the complaint regardless, just don't expect any money back.[/quote474e847cf8]
I guess that's a good philosophy. If you don't expect any money back and you get it, you'll be happy. But if you are expecting to get money back and you don't, you'll be sad. It's hard to do that though when we know we've been scammed. (

[quotedadfe76833="dmorris68"][quotedadfe76833="Flamarial"][quotedadfe76833="O4F-Manofice"]You guys probably won't get your money back...I know some people already had their pp claims denied.[/quotedadfe76833]
$46 down the drain? cry

Why would Paypal deny their claims? What about calling Paypal, would that work?[/quotedadfe76833]
PayPal policy is to deny all claims for intangible transactions, i.e those involving services or other than physical items. About the only times I've heard of PayPal approving claims against referral scammers, was when the parties falsely claimed there was some "item" being sold. Which could itself be construed as a violation of PayPal terms and considered fraud, so I don't recommend you do that. You know, the irony and all...

That said, I always encourage people to report scammers to PayPal regardless. Even knowing that you'll get denied, I have to believe that PayPal logs records of all disputes, even those that are denied. Let somebody accumulate several disputes against them for the same thing, and odds are PayPal will take note of that person and eventually exercise its option to terminate that persons' account. Or to freeze that person's funds at the slightest indication of shadiness during their next eBay transaction. Whatever. So follow through with the complaint regardless, just don't expect any money back.[/quotedadfe76833]


Yea that's what i figured and is why i barely post on people who go red since i know %100 of the time i wont be getting my money back ( i think i lost about $90 in total so far with people going red an got scam for $25 when i was new oops

gotta love that paypal policy. Attack paypal with your credit card company!

I am going to do it today.

hey they said john cooper right well isn't this the john guy


http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84637

[quotedb700c261c="dmorris68"]
Why would Paypal deny their claims? What about calling Paypal, would that work?
PayPal policy is to deny all claims for intangible transactions, i.e those involving services or other than physical items. About the only times I've heard of PayPal approving claims against referral scammers, was when the parties falsely claimed there was some "item" being sold. Which could itself be construed as a violation of PayPal terms and considered fraud, so I don't recommend you do that. You know, the irony and all...

That said, I always encourage people to report scammers to PayPal regardless. Even knowing that you'll get denied, I have to believe that PayPal logs records of all disputes, even those that are denied. Let somebody accumulate several disputes against them for the same thing, and odds are PayPal will take note of that person and eventually exercise its option to terminate that persons' account. Or to freeze that person's funds at the slightest indication of shadiness during their next eBay transaction. Whatever. So follow through with the complaint regardless, just don't expect any money back.[/quotedb700c261c]

even if they froze her account she would still win because she probably transferred the money to another paypal account or sent it to an unverified bank account ( takes 2 days to change to the status "completed" and by then paypal can't reverse it )

What about this?

"A claim has been filed against this transaction. The seller's deadline for responding to this claim is Apr. 1, 2007. If the seller does not respond by the deadline, the claim will be decided in your favor. You may cancel this case at any time by clicking "Cancel" below."

Does this actually get me my money back if the scammer doesn't respond?

[quote663bc02337="sad101"]hey they said john cooper right well isn't this the john guy


http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84637[/quote663bc02337]

some good info in there

[quotede6081c9da="Flamarial"]What about this?

"A claim has been filed against this transaction. The seller's deadline for responding to this claim is Apr. 1, 2007. If the seller does not respond by the deadline, the claim will be decided in your favor. You may cancel this case at any time by clicking "Cancel" below."

Does this actually get me my money back if the scammer doesn't respond?[/quotede6081c9da]

nah, they will try to get it back if the person has it in their accounts. if not then they will tell you " sorry the person doesn't have any money in their account and they have been notified to place X amount of dollars in their paypal account to kill the limitation."

I give the person props on pulling this off. She now has 30 tr. A damn good plan i would say. starting off posting a thread about how i won't pay her and ending up with a closed paypal with a lot of money located on another paypal account.

[quoted45ad403ae="sad101"]hey they said john cooper right well isn't this the john guy


http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84637[/quoted45ad403ae]

wow...that dudes father came online and paid everyone back...

Is the scammer stilling scamming people?

[quote504c00fc73="sad101"]hey they said john cooper right well isn't this the john guy


http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84637[/quote504c00fc73]

postal guy has " john gregory" on his or her paypal account.

might be the same person.

If it's the same person...it's a big time scammer on A4F

I called Paypal and it sounds like I'm not getting my money back.

Is there any way to take legal action against this person?

[quote5811214228="O4F-Manofice"]If it's the same person...it's a big time scammer on A4F[/quote5811214228]
There's a "john gregory" on A4F as well? What account name would that be?

[quote7fdac3bf8a="Flamarial"]I called Paypal and it sounds like I'm not getting my money back.

Is there any way to take legal action against this person?[/quote7fdac3bf8a]

Probably not its a petty scam, the only way to take legal action would be if they scammed users for $1,000's of paypal lol

[quote0897abf5c4="gmario"][quote0897abf5c4="Flamarial"]I called Paypal and it sounds like I'm not getting my money back.

Is there any way to take legal action against this person?[/quote0897abf5c4]

Probably not its a petty scam, the only way to take legal action would be if they scammed users for $1,000's of paypal lol[/quote0897abf5c4]

Its really sad to scam here. Sure one can get a few hundred dollars by scamming but you get so much more by being honest.

Actually i sent him a pm saying that u have done yourfreevideoipods site 2 times , since he has done that site for me & i saw a comment in his profile from some one who palced the comment like he paid $25 for yourfreevideoipods.com..then immedietly i pmed him ...he should pay my money back ..but he said his friends has done the sites...even i confronted with him that i wont pay him until he gets paypal verified...he got mad & was angry....eventually i saw some people paid to him ..thats why i also paid him....i shouldn't have paid to him.... (
still he is showing green in my site..dont know what to do????
Guys & gals pls keep in mind never tarde with people who are not paypal verified....that is red flag. Another thing ..its tip...while leaving comment after requesting TR always mention the site to which u paid the money so that we can catch the person. evil

This is second time i am loosing my money..my first paypal claim went against me.since there is no adress for such transactions.Why people do such things !!!!God give them good soul. (

paypal has return the money she got from me

Congrats!! Tell us what you said to paypal to get your money!

I got scammed by Postalservice too, for 4 sites. Its a shame you have scammers like this.

4 sites? I'm sorry but that horrible ( and to the other poster how did you manage to get some your money back? because two users from these forums are on hold and have been ignoring me on here and on aim!!! so i really want me money back from this people

[quote58ec887043="Flamarial"]postaltime20@yahoo.com
email==grabingo2003@yahoo.comgrabingo2003@yahoo.com=grabingo2003@yahoo.comgrabingo2003@yahoo.com/email

Both of these e-mails were used to sign up for YourPS34Free.com. I've PMed a few people and it seems like PostalService was doing the same sites for people. =/

I'm out $46. ?[/quote58ec887043]

She RED for me on YourPS34free and used email= email=postal22@yahoo.compostal22@yahoo.com email=postal22@yahoo.compostal22@yahoo.com/email. How many emails does she have. I have PM'd her this morning to get my $20 back. She read my PM, no reply. Then Flamarial contacted me (thanks...+karma) and now know I'm not getting that cash back.

I put in a PayPal claim, but reading that's a dead-end too. ?

I was going to contact her by email (not like I know which one) incase she didn't come back to the forum.

[quotefd30e0681f="jdeke47"]paypal has return the money she got from me[/quotefd30e0681f]
Yes, please tell us how you got it back. I've been scammed three times on the same site. )=

I think we should have a rule that states that all members with under 4 TR would have to wait for approval, even though it would be hard to enforce. It would give us an excuse to deny <4 TR newbies/potential scammers from begging us to pay on green, right? ?

3 times on the same site? sorry to hear that

HOW COME THE POSTALSERVICE POST IS STILL ACTIVE

because they are not banned yet

[quoteeb46dcfceb="Flamarial"]I think we should have a rule that states that all members with under 4 TR would have to wait for approval, even though it would be hard to enforce. It would give us an excuse to deny <4 TR newbies/potential scammers from begging us to pay on green, right? ?[/quoteeb46dcfceb]

GOOD IDEA! I would have NO problem with that. Something needs to be done as it (the scamming) seems to be getting REALLY outta hand lately.

The problem is that with sites like Project PayDay, they are basically telling people that they can get "instant" cash doing site offers. So they come here thinking WHY should they wait for approval? They think they are being scammed by not paying them immediately after green. roll

So, a rule like above would probably help some. If there was such a rule, then anyone who doesn't abide be it has no reason to complain on this forum.

My 3 centz ...

Rick aka CorpRebel 8)

Yup i notice all those people don't know what they are doing all this new people are just going plain crazy doing all this mistakes and even trying to pull scamms, i got blocked on aim by one of the users that was refer from Project payday i told them they were on hold and bloked me and have not heard from them since, Project PayDay try to be more specific with what your teaching.

i thought that this was a good letter that could be referenced for when writing to paypal it was on the a4f thread that i read about this guy...


I commenced chargeback proceedings against him today.

His arguement is that the referral is an "intangible" or "virtual" item and tries to tell you that your transaction cannot be disputed. I asked an attorney fiend of mine and he suggests that the referrals are tangible since they are worth goods or money when enough are collected.

In my case his referral to me for thepaidclub.com was one of four that I need for $100. Thus the referral is worth $25 which is a tangible amount.

I hope that this helps you guys. When disputing a claim like this you have to point out that the referral is a "service" and has tangible value or else paypal is not going to give your claim a second look.

This is the letter I sent to paypal if anyone wants to reference it for verbage

"This seller is paid by users such as myself to complete referrals on websites. These referrals are collected and after so many are gained they are redeemed for items or in this case cash.

I paid this seller to provide a referral for me on thepaidclub.com. Initally his referral was approved and he was paid for his services. After verification, thepaidclub.com has found that this seller broke the rules of the site by using multiple accounts to provide referral. This is not allowed and considered fraud. As a result of the verification process and discovered dishonesty, the referral that this seller provided was revoked from my account leaving me with no benefit given for the money I paid him.

It should be noted that the website that hosts the forum that allowed the seller and I to enter into this agreement (anything4free.com) has banned him from the site for fraudulent and dishonest practices as well.

The seller will argue that the transaction is not open to dispute because the item involved is intangible, this is not true. In this particular case that referal was worth $25.00 to me as I can redeem four referrals for $100.00 in cash.

I ask that the transaction be reversed for services not rendered.

Thank you for your attention to this matter."

[quote79c5407645="Flamarial"][quote79c5407645="jdeke47"]paypal has return the money she got from me[/quote79c5407645]
Yes, please tell us how you got it back. I've been scammed three times on the same site. )=

I think we should have a rule that states that all members with under 4 TR would have to wait for approval, even though it would be hard to enforce. It would give us an excuse to deny <4 TR newbies/potential scammers from begging us to pay on green, right? ?[/quote79c5407645]

Well this wouldn't help in this case because this persons tr is 30+ I'd also like to know what was said to paypal to have the money refunded

man, i dont wanna call up my credit card company but oh

[quote796ca2bd97="michelleb"][quote796ca2bd97="Flamarial"][quote796ca2bd97="jdeke47"]paypal has return the money she got from me[/quote796ca2bd97]
Yes, please tell us how you got it back. I've been scammed three times on the same site. )=

I think we should have a rule that states that all members with under 4 TR would have to wait for approval, even though it would be hard to enforce. It would give us an excuse to deny <4 TR newbies/potential scammers from begging us to pay on green, right? ?[/quote796ca2bd97]

Well this wouldn't help in this case because this persons tr is 30+ I'd also like to know what was said to paypal to have the money refunded[/quote796ca2bd97]
He started with 0 TR only a few days ago, though. ?

I guess that a clause that says, "Newbies are only allowed to trade with a user of 10+ TR" would help too, but it would be a bit restrictive. It could be used to help against newbies that help other newbies pass the 4 TR mark.

[quotedca863b779="jdeke47"]HOW COME THE POSTALSERVICE POST IS STILL ACTIVE[/quotedca863b779]

how did you get your money back when paypal takes up to 10 days to give it to you?

something is fishy. explain more.


30 trades... 25 dollars each maybe... thats a lot of money.

update

paypal has placed a limitation on his account!


i also called up my credit card company and they said they will give me the 25 dollars within the next business day. ill post back when i have received it.

[quote273ef0bd83="michelleb"]Well this wouldn't help in this case because this persons tr is 30+[/quote273ef0bd83]

Well ... Ya gotta start somewhere. ALOT of the problems seem to come from the newer under TR4 traders. I realize that one could be a TR300 and still do a scam or two, but since the large influx of new traders from sites such as Project Payday, this type of rule just might settle the newcomers down a bit.

But in this case it seems as if a PayPal dispute is definitely warranted.

Good Luck!

Rick aka CorpRebel 8)

I say that if she had the restriction when she was TR0, then she would never had gotten till 30 ANYWAY lol

I'm curious as to why PayPal is inconsistent with handling disputes. If you're paying for something via PayPal, then it obviously has "value" otherwise money wouldn't be changing hands. However that doesn't make it a tangible item.

[quote79ad4f6236="PayPal Help"] What goods and services are not covered under the Buyer Complaint Policy?

PayPal is committed to ensuring that all transactions are safe and secure. One way we do this is by providing specific terms and conditions that all members must comply with. [b79ad4f6236]PayPal's Buyer Complaint Policy does not apply to virtual or intangible products (like subscriptions and computer programs), services, cash advances, and all non-tangible, non-physical goods.[/b79ad4f6236]

To learn more about PayPal's investigation process and policies, review the Buyer Complaint Process at https//www.paypal.com/bcp.[/quote79ad4f6236]

That last link there takes you to PayPal's User Agreement, where it states[=https//www.paypal.com/bcp#pbp-policy]where it states

[quote79ad4f6236="PayPal's User Agreement"]13. Disputes between Buyers and Sellers - Buyer Protection Programs.

13.1 Buyer Protection Programs. If you buy an item using PayPal and either do not receive the item or receive an item that you believe is Significantly Not as Described by the seller, we encourage you to open a Dispute with the seller in our Resolution Center. By doing so, you will initiate our Online Dispute Resolution Process—a step-by-step system designed to facilitate communication between you and the seller in order to get resolution of the issue. If your dialogue with the seller fails to produce a satisfactory result, you can then escalate the Dispute into a Claim that we will evaluate for reimbursement under one of the following programs
a. PayPal Buyer Complaint Policy - Our best efforts program to reimburse Users for losses only to the extent we are able to recover the funds from sellers.
b. PayPal Buyer Protection Policy - Our program to reimburse Users for losses for up to (i) $2,000.00 USD (Top Tier Converage Amount) for eligible items purchased on eBay and (ii) up to $200.00 USD (Basic Tier Coverage Amount) for all other eligible items purchased on eBay. Please see section 13.9 to determine whether Top Tier Coverage Amount or Basic Tier Coverage Amount applies.
c. Buyer Protection for eBay Express - Our program to reimburse Users for the full amount of losses for items purchased on eBay Express.
d. Extended Buyer Protection with PayPal Credit - Our program to reimburse Users for the full amount of losses for items purchased using the PayPal Plus Credit Card or PayPal Buyer Credit.

[b79ad4f6236]These programs only cover payments for tangible, physical goods. All other payments, such as payments for intangibles, services, airline flight tickets, or licenses and other access to digital content are not covered by any Buyer Protection Program that we offer (but may be covered by Chargeback rights).[/b79ad4f6236][/quote79ad4f6236]

The item being traded here (a referral) is very much NOT a physical, shippable, tangible item. If an airplane ticket or a software license is specifically not covered, then I don't know how anyone could argue that a freebie referral itself is tangible. People dispute ref payments all the time, and they rarely if ever get reimbursed, that's why I'm surprised here.

That said, file those complaints anyway, and if you get a PayPal rep processing your claim who either isn't paying attention or who feels sorry for you, then maybe you get luck and get your money back. Worst case is they say no, but most likely still log the complaint against the person.

Regarding why PostalService isn't banned yet -- folks let the staff here do their jobs, okay? ;) If we banned every would-be scammer the second somebody went red, then a lot of trades and payments would have never been resolved. Many times people have had a good excuse or some problem beyond their control, or just frankly screwed up but want to make things right. You guys haven't given Postal much of a chance to respond yet. Give it some time and if he/she doesn't step up, we'll take care of it. In the meantime I'll restrict his/her access to the Trade Module and set their TR to -1 until we know whether he's going to make good or not.

[quotefd54b9525b="condra"]I say that if she had the restriction when she was TR0, then she would never had gotten till 30 ANYWAY lol[/quotefd54b9525b]

lol, yeah but newbies these days dont want to wait until approval to get paid. I wouldn't blame them. i wouldn't want to wait weeks to get paid either.

+karma to this scammer + props. Getting people to believe you over me is something i am just amazed at.

lets me know i gotta "shut the hole" on paid upon green.


is postalservice a he or a she lol?


I'm curious as to why PayPal is inconsistent with handling disputes. If you're paying for something via PayPal, then it obviously has "value" otherwise money wouldn't be changing hands. However that doesn't make it a tangible item.

[quotefd54b9525b="PayPal Help"] What goods and services are not covered under the Buyer Complaint Policy?

PayPal is committed to ensuring that all transactions are safe and secure. One way we do this is by providing specific terms and conditions that all members must comply with. [bfd54b9525b]PayPal's Buyer Complaint Policy does not apply to virtual or intangible products (like subscriptions and computer programs), services, cash advances, and all non-tangible, non-physical goods.[/bfd54b9525b]

[/quotefd54b9525b]

thats why you hit your credit card companies!

She screwed me over, too. 27 not-so-hard earned dollars down the drain. What is wrong with people?

This is why I hate people. evil

Make me love again, people... make me love again. Give me karma.

I've sent a dispute to paypal. I've got faith. How can they deny this claim?

"Yes, I ordered a referral and instead got the shaft. I don't like the shaft. I wanted the referral. It was what I ordered, and might I say, far less painful than the shaft I received. Had I have known that the I was going to get the shaft, I never would have ordered this service.

Specifics I paid 27 US dollars for a referral which, in reality, was 1/5 of the amount of the referrals I needed to recieve a payment from a website. The seller agreed to do it and in order to do so, the seller had to agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth in the website. He did not abide by them, and his account was locked, which in turn, voided the referral. The seller has been contacted through normal email, but I am filing a dispute because the service that was payed for was not delivered.

Once again. The breakdown.

Ordered Painless Referral

Received Painful Shaft"

As long as the paypal agent reviewing my claim has a sense of humor (and preferrably a blood alcohol level of at least .15), I'm as good as paid!!!!!

Ah, who am I kidding. It's over.

[quote44db9cfa30="condra"]I say that if she had the restriction when she was TR0, then she would never had gotten till 30 ANYWAY lol[/quote44db9cfa30]

lol, yeah but newbies these days dont want to wait until approval to get paid. I wouldn't blame them. i wouldn't want to wait weeks to get paid either.

+karma to this scammer + props. Getting people to believe you over me is something i am just amazed at.

lets me know i gotta "shut the hole" on paid upon green.


is postalservice a he or a she lol?



[quote44db9cfa30="dmorris68"]I'm curious as to why PayPal is inconsistent with handling disputes. If you're paying for something via PayPal, then it obviously has "value" otherwise money wouldn't be changing hands. However that doesn't make it a tangible item.

[quote44db9cfa30="PayPal Help"] What goods and services are not covered under the Buyer Complaint Policy?

PayPal is committed to ensuring that all transactions are safe and secure. One way we do this is by providing specific terms and conditions that all members must comply with. [b44db9cfa30]PayPal's Buyer Complaint Policy does not apply to virtual or intangible products (like subscriptions and computer programs), services, cash advances, and all non-tangible, non-physical goods.[/b44db9cfa30]

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thats why you hit your credit card companies![/quote44db9cfa30]


Calling your credit card company to get a issue solved is not very lol smart lol because paypal doesnt take to kindly to that and they may end up closing your account.. /..but hey it up to you calling your credit card company WILL WORK

[quotee41ebac4d5="findme"][quotee41ebac4d5="condra"]I say that if she had the restriction when she was TR0, then she would never had gotten till 30 ANYWAY lol[/quotee41ebac4d5]

lol, yeah but newbies these days dont want to wait until approval to get paid. I wouldn't blame them. i wouldn't want to wait weeks to get paid either.

+karma to this scammer + props. Getting people to believe you over me is something i am just amazed at.

lets me know i gotta "shut the hole" on paid upon green.


is postalservice a he or a she lol?



[quotee41ebac4d5="dmorris68"]I'm curious as to why PayPal is inconsistent with handling disputes. If you're paying for something via PayPal, then it obviously has "value" otherwise money wouldn't be changing hands. However that doesn't make it a tangible item.

[quotee41ebac4d5="PayPal Help"] What goods and services are not covered under the Buyer Complaint Policy?

PayPal is committed to ensuring that all transactions are safe and secure. One way we do this is by providing specific terms and conditions that all members must comply with. [be41ebac4d5]PayPal's Buyer Complaint Policy does not apply to virtual or intangible products (like subscriptions and computer programs), services, cash advances, and all non-tangible, non-physical goods.[/be41ebac4d5]

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thats why you hit your credit card companies![/quotee41ebac4d5]


Calling your credit card company to get a issue solved is not very lol smart lol because paypal doesnt take to kindly to that and they may end up closing your account.. /..but hey it up to you calling your credit card company WILL WORK[/quotee41ebac4d5]

then if paypal closes your account by doing that then get a lawyer ( that you have in your family ). I am sure paypal wouldn't want to get a high level lawyer and waste big money over something that is just 25 dollars lol. thats liifli they close/limit your account.

note this is only for those people who got scammed in the hundreds or so. file a dispute with paypal and wait for some days for the results then hit the credit card company.

Damn, just logged in and found the bad news.. Oh well...

He scammed me for $23 on yourps34free.com

using email==postalservice123@yahoo.compostalservice123@yahoo.com=postalservice123@yahoo.compostalservice123@yahoo.com/email

This came from a A4F member

"Hi everyone,


Just wanted to let anyone else know that was involved with "postalgirl" that this morning there was $23 refunded to my pp account. The account it came back from was "john gregory..... email==postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com=postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com/email". Hoping everyone else gets their $$ back too."

[quotec277e96992="O4F-Manofice"]This came from a A4F member

"Hi everyone,


Just wanted to let anyone else know that was involved with "postalgirl" that this morning there was $23 refunded to my pp account. The account it came back from was "john gregory..... email==postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com=postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com/email". Hoping everyone else gets their $$ back too."[/quotec277e96992]

I want my $20 PayPal back too for YourPS34free. So far, I don't see it, sent 2nd PM to her today.

Glad you got your dough back.

Yeah going to the credit card company is a bad idea unless used as a last resort.

An intelligent lawyer would not bother findme. All it takes is one read through Paypal's terms to know that you'd have NO legal standing in that situation of paypal terminates your account.

Paypal does not adhere to guidelines. They are not a bank. Basically, they can do whatever the flilili they want and you agree on it upon signing up.

Paypal's legal team would laugh if a lawyer tried to dispute that. It's all in the terms as clear as day. If they want to cancel your account because you put your CC company against them, they sure as hell can.

i dont know , the payment was cancened

Mar. 19, 2007 Payment To john gregory Cancelled ... -$23.00 USD
i didnt cancel it , so mayby john canceled it

[quotef2d702ea7b="O4F-Manofice"]This came from a A4F member

"Hi everyone,


Just wanted to let anyone else know that was involved with "postalgirl" that this morning there was $23 refunded to my pp account. The account it came back from was "john gregory..... email==postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com=postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com/email". Hoping everyone else gets their $$ back too."[/quotef2d702ea7b]
Could you post or PM the thread to me? It would be interesting for me to look at. Thanks. )

[quote96e517bb24="findme"][quote96e517bb24="sad101"]hey they said john cooper right well isn't this the john guy


http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84637[/quote96e517bb24]

postal guy has " john gregory" on his or her paypal account.

might be the same person.[/quote96e517bb24]

Responding to this post from a few days ago. I was scammed by fittnessgirl34 yesterday, who seems to be the "friend" involved here with postalservice. I knew i was scammed as soon as i was complete...i normaly cover myself through pm's saying when i have the right to pay on approval instead of on green. Well i was in and out yesterday and was in a hurry and didn't cover myself...and got burned. Anyways, i sent a email= to email=fittnessgirl34@yahoo.comfittnessgirl34@yahoo.com to email=fittnessgirl34@yahoo.comfittnessgirl34@yahoo.com/email telling them that they were a liar and what i thought of them to make me feel better. They used the name sarah bany in their unverified paypal account (wich is where i failed to cover myself as i normally do). However they responded to my email and the name that came back was john cooper. As soon as i saw that i thought of the Jonathon Cooper who was a big scammer on A4F that was referanced here. I'm guessing its the same person. Here was the post i was thinking of.... http//www.freeipodguide.com/bnc.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anything4free.com%2Fforums%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D85974%26amp%3Bst%3D0

Put me down on the list of people who've been scammed by this bitch. Thankfully, it was only $23, but $23 nonetheless from this broke college student. I have also filed a PayPal claim, but I'm doubtful.

[quote7142bcc4e7="christophjc"]Put me down on the list of people who've been scammed by this bitch. Thankfully, it was only $23, but $23 nonetheless from this broke college student. I have also filed a PayPal claim, but I'm doubtful.[/quote7142bcc4e7]

Me too.. They both contacted me (fitnessfreak & postalservice). Check postalservice's response to my email

[quote7142bcc4e7="bitch name postalservice"]umm how about instead I spend your money on some crack rock.[/quote7142bcc4e7]

I thought that was what she was up to idea so but I didn't want to say anything.

[quote404c2495a1="crys27"][quote404c2495a1="christophjc"]Put me down on the list of people who've been scammed by this bitch. Thankfully, it was only $23, but $23 nonetheless from this broke college student. I have also filed a PayPal claim, but I'm doubtful.[/quote404c2495a1]

Me too.. They both contacted me (fitnessfreak & postalservice). Check postalservice's response to my email

[quote404c2495a1="bitch name postalservice"]umm how about instead I spend your money on some crack rock.[/quote404c2495a1]

I thought that was what she was up to idea so but I didn't want to say anything.[/quote404c2495a1]

That was the exact same response i got from fitnessfreak in an email. As i stated before...when they replied to my email the name that came back was Jon Cooper. Just wondering as i have no experiance with paypal claims...but can you referance that email that basically admits he is a scammer? I realize the paypal account in not verified, so we are out of luck.

[quote21b0ba4a38="Hunter_82"]

That was the exact same response i got from fitnessfreak in an email. As i stated before...when they replied to my email the name that came back was Jon Cooper. Just wondering as i have no experiance with paypal claims...but can you referance that email that basically admits he is a scammer? I realize the paypal account in not verified, so we are out of luck.[/quote21b0ba4a38]

Judging by the email I got from Jon's (so called) father, this is not JON at all but someone using his name for PayPal. Check the email I got from him out in the post on fitnessfreak. If this is the case, then PayPal should refund us as this is someone who frauded PayPal with incorrect account information. I bet his bank account works though.

wowww....we got a huge scammer on our hands here and on a4f

[quotee51ec0c266="Flamarial"][quotee51ec0c266="O4F-Manofice"]This came from a A4F member

"Hi everyone,


Just wanted to let anyone else know that was involved with "postalgirl" that this morning there was $23 refunded to my pp account. The account it came back from was "john gregory..... email==postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com=postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com/email". Hoping everyone else gets their $$ back too."[/quotee51ec0c266]
Could you post or PM the thread to me? It would be interesting for me to look at. Thanks. )[/quotee51ec0c266]

http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89645&st=40

[quoteac0e4991a5="O4F-Manofice"][quoteac0e4991a5="Flamarial"][quoteac0e4991a5="O4F-Manofice"]This came from a A4F member

"Hi everyone,


Just wanted to let anyone else know that was involved with "postalgirl" that this morning there was $23 refunded to my pp account. The account it came back from was "john gregory..... email==postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com=postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com/email". Hoping everyone else gets their $$ back too."[/quoteac0e4991a5]
Could you post or PM the thread to me? It would be interesting for me to look at. Thanks. )[/quoteac0e4991a5]

http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89645&st=40[/quoteac0e4991a5]
Thanks. Yeah, to me, it looks like the same scammer is coming back again and again for more. He/she's probably made thousands by now. This last scamming spree under PostalGirl netted him/her at least $750.

We could always call the Glendale, AZ PD and have them look into this cyber-scam. It probably would not get us anywhere legally but might put some poop in their undies when a cop shows up at the door.

If this is Jonathon Cooper (and I suspect it is) his daddy refunded all the money last time when someone figured out where they lived and how to get ahold of them.

Any thoughts?

jbs

Hey Jonathon....

I got so upset when I found out you scammed me that I blacked out and fell... hitting my head and causing a large gash. THe resulting blood loss caused me missed work and much mental anguish. I am thinking a Federal Court lawsuit is in order. I'll hire Geoffrey Fieger up here in MI to represent me and I think we'll ask for about $16.2 million.

Sound Good?

[quote66eadb5a25="Paypal"]"We hope you understand our policy and that it assures you that you are safe using PayPal."[/quote66eadb5a25]

What a bunch of BS.

Paypal has recovered about $15 for me. I guess it's a start.

fittnesfreak and postalservice appear to be the same person - they've both been banned.

I'm fortunately not involved here, but if you have a verified address then somebody local could take their individual claim to small claims court, pay $50 or so to file it and that should be a pretty easy victory. You have to file and show up at their court location so it won't work for most, but somebody might get lucky.

Small claims takes no lawyers, the two parties show up and show their stuff directly to the judge. The PM record / trade module record and statements from some others would probably suffice.

It might seem kind of petty for $20, but it would do 2 things
1 Teach the person a lesson and hopefully make it stop
2 Put a judgment on their credit for the next 7-10 years making it more difficult for them to get credit cards, etc when they want to.
Also if you are the victor the other party would have to pay the $50 filing fee as well.

If somebody does this to me and they live within a 5-6 hour drive you can bet I'll be filing it in court. But hopefully I'll stay lucky and not have this happen.

Sorry to post here again, but if enough of you care you could also get together and hire a collection agency. Explain the situation to them and the debt, how it arised and why it's a legal debt. From a prior job I know that typically collection agencies may work for 50% or something like that. It seems that there are enough of you to turn this into a $300 collection.

This would have nothing to do with paypal and their policies, it would just be dealing with the agreements you had with him/her. A user you trust would get whatever fund from the collection agency (if any) then divy it ou to the others.

If you were feeling particularly nasty you could get his/her IP and send a letter to their ISP telling them they are using their internet account to scam people. With enough letters like this they may have their internet service canceled on them.

Man all these Ideas for somebody that didn't scam me personally, heaven help the stupid crap that tries to scam me because I will go after them.

[quote9ec3e51e2b="cubbieco"]If you were feeling particularly nasty you could get his/her IP and send a letter to their ISP telling them they are using their internet account to scam people. With enough letters like this they may have their internet service canceled on them.[/quote9ec3e51e2b]

Where would you get an IP address on FiPG? Would we have to ask the admins for it?

[quotea89cb8d8b3="Flamarial"][quotea89cb8d8b3="cubbieco"]If you were feeling particularly nasty you could get his/her IP and send a letter to their ISP telling them they are using their internet account to scam people. With enough letters like this they may have their internet service canceled on them.[/quotea89cb8d8b3]

Where would you get an IP address on FiPG? Would we have to ask the admins for it?[/quotea89cb8d8b3]

The admins nor moderators will not provide IP addresses to users.

[quote5d2f1eb131="Flamarial"][quote5d2f1eb131="cubbieco"]If you were feeling particularly nasty you could get his/her IP and send a letter to their ISP telling them they are using their internet account to scam people. With enough letters like this they may have their internet service canceled on them.[/quote5d2f1eb131]

Where would you get an IP address on FiPG? Would we have to ask the admins for it?[/quote5d2f1eb131]

even if you had his ip there isn't much you can do with it.

LOL, yes there is. Now if I only had yours....

[quote6d4fdfdbe5="findme"][quote6d4fdfdbe5="Flamarial"][quote6d4fdfdbe5="cubbieco"]If you were feeling particularly nasty you could get his/her IP and send a letter to their ISP telling them they are using their internet account to scam people. With enough letters like this they may have their internet service canceled on them.[/quote6d4fdfdbe5]

Where would you get an IP address on FiPG? Would we have to ask the admins for it?[/quote6d4fdfdbe5]

even if you had his ip there isn't much you can do with it.[/quote6d4fdfdbe5]

Are you going to continue to ignore all of the threads about you and your scam site?

My vote Yes.

Off Topic How is LucroCash going for you and the Scottish man skirt wearer?

Give me 5 min alone with postalservice or whoever they are and i'll beat the money out of them... D

[quotebd9f8a596d="doylnea"][quotebd9f8a596d="findme"][quotebd9f8a596d="Flamarial"][quotebd9f8a596d="cubbieco"]If you were feeling particularly nasty you could get his/her IP and send a letter to their ISP telling them they are using their internet account to scam people. With enough letters like this they may have their internet service canceled on them.[/quotebd9f8a596d]

Where would you get an IP address on FiPG? Would we have to ask the admins for it?[/quotebd9f8a596d]

even if you had his ip there isn't much you can do with it.[/quotebd9f8a596d]

Are you going to continue to ignore all of the threads about you and your scam site?[/quotebd9f8a596d]

which ones? send me some links.... that would be helpful )

derrrr
http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=58402

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=57965

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=56683

[quotecd0bc5883e="findme"][quotecd0bc5883e="doylnea"][quotecd0bc5883e="findme"][quotecd0bc5883e="Flamarial"][quotecd0bc5883e="cubbieco"]If you were feeling particularly nasty you could get his/her IP and send a letter to their ISP telling them they are using their internet account to scam people. With enough letters like this they may have their internet service canceled on them.[/quotecd0bc5883e]

Where would you get an IP address on FiPG? Would we have to ask the admins for it?[/quotecd0bc5883e]

even if you had his ip there isn't much you can do with it.[/quotecd0bc5883e]

Are you going to continue to ignore all of the threads about you and your scam site?[/quotecd0bc5883e]

which ones? send me some links.... that would be helpful )[/quotecd0bc5883e]

Dude, you're still here?

I'm surprised you've not been banned yet, and I can't understand why I'm not about to, but it has something to do with curiosity, holes, digging and track number 9 on Arcade Fire's first album Funeral.

shrug

Woot!! I got a full refund from paypal

[quote3a53784424]Dear Deputy Dog,


PayPal has concluded our investigation of the following Buyer Complaint


Case ID PP-265-729-XXX
Transaction Date Mar. 19, 2007
Transaction Amount $23.00 USD
Seller's email= email=postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com email=postalservice2020@yahoo.compostalservice2020@yahoo.com/email
Seller's Name john gregory

Our investigation has determined that the seller is at fault, and we have recovered your funds. Your account has been credited $23.00 USD. Please allow up to 5 days to see the adjustment on your account. This amount is the maximum we were able to recover.

We value your business and regret your recent experience. To avoid these problems in the future, we recommend following the guidelines in our Security Tips section[/quote3a53784424]

Deputy Dog... lol
I've had that before and then there wasn't enough money in the person's account. Hope you get it.

I did get it!

Congrats - did it take 5 months?

[quotec76daa4ea3="sandra habina"]Congrats - did it take 5 months?[/quotec76daa4ea3]

Yep. IIRC way back when this had been resolved in my favor but paypal could not recover the funds. I can only speculate that paypal found another account that this scammer was using and recovered it that way.

well good for you! I like it when the good guy wins!

Wow, I got a full refund too. I can't believe it after such a long time. What a nice surprise!

i got a full refund from paypal as well

congrats all!!