Crafty Cash Steall your Paypal

Hi i want to let everyone know that craftycash used my password and email from his site to login my paypal and refunded the 470 he paid me a month ago. He first filed a false claim with paypal and lost. I'm guessing he got mad and since he cannot afford to pay anyone he logged on my account and refunded the money. Now i had to lock my account until this gets resolved. He is going to be found and lose his privileges of using paypal they lady told me. She used to work in fraud but now worked as claim person., anyway she said that since that was the only transaction and since it showed he filed a claim if it turns up another person logged on even if it wasn't his IP he would be held accountable. If you have anything to tell me Gabe or want to admit up or w/e please do i would love to hear your response.


BTW i talked to him on AIM he goes

Paypal loves me
I got PAid!!! then signed off (aka) blocked me

Woooooow....

Please post screenshots of your account showing that you refunded CraftyCash.

Wow thats some serious stuff right there

How would he have your Paypal password in the first place, though? I mean, I could see how he would have your Paypal address, but unless you use the same password for everything, then he wouldn't have been able to log into your account.

i did at the time im uploading the screen shots now.

[quote08053f2ce7="KeithA"]Please post screenshots of your account showing that you refunded CraftyCash.[/quote08053f2ce7]

sorry for double post but i didnt refund it he did himself. Here is the screen shot of the claim(false) that he made witch he canceled once he founded out he was going to lose. And i got the money back.
on the second side is the trans information. I got paid then claim won in my favor then the refund.



sorry its small i will find another place to host it full size.

i think this is bigger

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Whoa....this is why I've stayed away from craftycash thus far.

This makes me weary of his site, even though I use different passwords for every site that requires an account, and I got a free green for signing up to his site.

It would probably be best for him to respond to this topic, because while I'm currently indifferent but cautious, I know that others are going to read this and not want to give him a chance at all.

Can you post shots of the Details links for the reveral and refund?

im editing my post with pictures so no personal info is given out

Damn thats messed up i can see why he would do that, I'm not doing his site fo sho if theres anything i hate is scamers and thief's.

well paypal logs IPs (obviously) and if this is true the owner of CraftyCash is in a bit of trouble. Actually, a lot of trouble.

And it'll be easy to prove.

So if this is all legit, you have a pretty solid legal case. Not to mention the fact that he will be prosecuted for theft by the state as well.

Please keep us all updated

well paypal logs IPs (obviously) and if this is true the owner of CraftyCash is in a bit of trouble. Actually, a lot of trouble.

And it'll be easy to prove.

So if this is all legit, you have a pretty solid legal case. Not to mention the fact that he will be prosecuted for theft by the state as well.

Please keep us all updated

i edited so no more personal info is released. I will keep you updated.

sorry for double post again but listen to this. I was at A court assigned class, for a traffic violation so i have proof from the state it wasnt me. Plus i had 1,800 in my account and yet instead of sending money that was refunded. Odd if it was anyone else they would have sent the cash. Instead a refund to crafty cash? So its almost certain it was him. Along with Paypal lady. She said if there is found another Ip even logged on since i have a non changeable ip that if they find it different he will be held responsible or w/e.

if he did he better have used a really really good proxy

or he'll be in a cell next to DudeLovesFinch

Admin of Crafty is a 16 year old kid who did not even know what a 1099 was until he asked a couple other site owners a few weeks ago! I would stay clear of the site! There is a good reason he was banned from A4F!

wohhhh ........that is crazy

using someone's password to access an account that is attached to cc's and/or bank accounts is identity theft.

minors can get tried as adults in identity theft...the precedent has been set.

I'm REALLY interested in this case.

Several lessons to be learned from this, not the least of which

1. Never, never, and I mean [b5288109092]NEVER[/b5288109092] use the same passwords for important sites like banking and PayPal that you use for other types of sites. NEVER. That's a major no-no. It's one thing (still inadvisable) to use a common password across forums or freebie sites, but never the same as an important site.

2. Some site owners are apparently still using scripts that store cleartext passwords. I thought most scripts were MD5 hashing them now, at least they should be. If a site owner can see or recover your password, then they aren't properly hashed. Any respectable site owner should insist that user passwords are irreversibly hashed, and potential customers who know they aren't should reconsider doing business with them.

I never logged into your paypal account therefore i never new your password.

which means...

[quoteea04dfb568]he got mad and since he cannot afford to pay anyone he logged on my account and refunded the money[/quoteea04dfb568]

is a lie because i have paid out people who follow the rules. you broke
the rules.

I didn't refund anything by logging into your account but i sure as hell called up paypal 2 times every day about my limitation on my account and told them that you committed fraud my freebie site since my limitation was linked with that dispute.


sad101 aka lamif aka look at me im free AKA ( look at me I fraud). might have heard about him on a4f because he got banned for fraudulent activities on offer sites. I think free4me can back me up on this one.

If your going to tell the truth tell the whole truth NOT some twisted tail to try and make my site fail. He might even be making more fraud sites but i doubt even the fsr script guy would still do business with him.

it was MD5 i worked as support before with him before he screwed me over. He used a site or a decoder to do get it. It was a common word. I forgot i had that as my paypal too i usually use a different one.

[quote8e5b7b4ae8="findme"]sad101 aka lamif aka look at me im free AKA ( look at me I fraud). might have heard about him on a4f because he got banned for fraudulent activities on offer sites. I think free4me can back me up on this one.[/quote8e5b7b4ae8]

Wait ... what's the validity on this? Hmmm ... guess I have 2 sites to hold off on until this issue is resolved.

[quote03997c1ca4="sad101"]it was MD5 i worked as support before with him before he screwed me over. He used a site or a decoder to do get it. It was a common word. I forgot i had that as my paypal too i usually use a different one.[/quote03997c1ca4]
He didn't decrypt it though. If it was a common word (another mistake!) then he could guess or brute force it, but not decrypt it. MD5 cannot be decrypted.

[quote96150df774="moviemadnessman"][quote96150df774="findme"]sad101 aka lamif aka look at me im free AKA ( look at me I fraud). might have heard about him on a4f because he got banned for fraudulent activities on offer sites. I think free4me can back me up on this one.[/quote96150df774]

Wait ... what's the validity on this? Hmmm ... guess I have 2 sites to hold off on until this issue is resolved.[/quote96150df774]

oh its very true. when he backstabbed me when he was my support on my website took most of my customers and steered them to his site. i found out days later he did that and decided to take him off of my support team.

"might have heard about him on a4f because he got banned for fraudulent activities on offer sites. I think free4me can back me up on this one."



ummm....weren't YOU banned from there too?????

[quotec363182ebe="dmorris68"][quotec363182ebe="sad101"]it was MD5 i worked as support before with him before he screwed me over. He used a site or a decoder to do get it. It was a common word. I forgot i had that as my paypal too i usually use a different one.[/quotec363182ebe]
He didn't decrypt it though. If it was a common word (another mistake!) then he could guess or brute force it, but not decrypt it. MD5 cannot be decrypted.[/quotec363182ebe]

Now i just need to get a few site owners to help me out by pulling information
of what offers he did when he takes this to court.

[quoted1105bfd01="mamamia"]"might have heard about him on a4f because he got banned for fraudulent activities on offer sites. I think free4me can back me up on this one."



ummm....weren't YOU banned from there too?????[/quoted1105bfd01]

yea, banned for getting on the mods

I sold LAMIF because i wanted out of the freebie scene second, he is the biggest frauder ever even ask the FSR guy he found 500+ of fraud from him. I made an honest mistake doing one offer 2 times not 20 offers 4 times etc. Anyway dont trash LAMIF because your site is having issues. And it no longer my site i have sold it etc. So dont bash a site. finally you still didnt say u didn't do it or say y u didnt u just tried to make me look bad.

Maybe they will help you like they had to help you determine what a 1099 was and what it was for!!!! hahahaha

So gaabe your saying you never frauded i know you frauded. I'm out of the freebie scene but i wanted to let everyone know what kind of site you are. You didn't win your case so that is closed. But this is totally different. The claim was closed in 2 days. However you took it upon yourself to get your money back too bad it was the wrong way.

[quotef80e394439="mamamia"]Maybe they will help you like they had to help you determine what a 1099 was and what it was for!!!! hahahaha[/quotef80e394439]

raid the bank ?

Also paypal would take you to court not me.

No, Im not Raid the Bank, just a concerned GPT'er who does not want to see anyone else scammed by you

[quote1ed7d0c211="findme"]

oh its very true. when he backstabbed me when he was my support on my website took most of my customers and steered them to his site. i found out days later he did that and decided to take him off of my support team.[/quote1ed7d0c211]

my site opend jan 29th thats 2 weeks after left your site dont even say that.

[quoteb53db9a9d5="mamamia"]No, Im not Raid the Bank, just a concerned GPT'er who does not want to see anyone else scammed by you[/quoteb53db9a9d5]

well thats the only person who i asked about a question about a w9 not a 1099. she kept saying i need a 1099 for doing freebie sites. made not a bit of sense to me and i guess thats why she posted it on a forum i have yet to find


[quoteb53db9a9d5="sad101"][quoteb53db9a9d5="findme"]

oh its very true. when he backstabbed me when he was my support on my website took most of my customers and steered them to his site. i found out days later he did that and decided to take him off of my support team.[/quoteb53db9a9d5]

my site opend jan 29th thats 2 weeks after left your site dont even say that.[/quoteb53db9a9d5]

site opened jan 29th when i originally paid him on the 28th...

do you deny that?

No but still just because i became competition doesn't mean you can try and get the money back that you paid me.

You said you took me off support as soon as you found out however u didnt know until jan 29 like everyone else yet i was last a support jan 9th.


Fileing false paypal claims was not the way to go i can tell you that more than 3 people got claims against them. He tried to say i owed him an object a gift of some sort. Yet once i should paypal his site they figured it out and case was dropped in my favor.

Well, you're offers reversed, you're a frauder, you shouldn't be paid. I hope you don't get any money out of this if you really are a frauder. But CraftyCash owner, you can't do that... you don't pay out $500 instantly then request it back if the offers reverse, if you were really that scared of having that happen to you then you should pay out every month after you are paid. I'm sure YourGiftsFree has offers reverse, do you see him asking people for their money back? No, he chooses to take the risk, and it gets tons of people to complete his site, making him more profit, which he hopes will be more than the reversed offers.

I'd stay away from this site, he is probably breaking many tax laws, I doubt he is even paying any taxes off of his profit. If he didn't even know what a 1099 was until a few days ago, and he's paying out people over $600(if he hasn't he probably will soon), they must give him a W9 form, that means he doesn't require W9's if he doesn't even know what a 1099 is because is because he should know what he must fill out before he starts asking for people's social security numbers and personal information, this means he probably doesn't report any of his payouts to the IRS, which I belive is illegal. He's a 16 year old kid who can't speak with proper grammar that lives in Atlanta, and calls it "the AtL", what did you expect? ?

[quote3a20c27bce="sad101"]No but still just because i became competition doesn't mean you can try and get the money back that you paid me.

You said you took me off support as soon as you found out however u didnt know until jan 29 like everyone else yet i was last a support jan 9th.[/quote3a20c27bce]

You make it seem great for you to be on my site for another day to get more
members to join your site by promoting your site via support.

Ok i wasnt a frauder then it happened way after. Dont say i was. He got all the money i made. I made a mistake a few weeks later i did truecom another time. I have made up all my actions. I earned this money and will get this money however dont go of topic about me this is about you on my paypal account and you have yet to deny it.

[quote24f6ddb113="findme"][quote24f6ddb113="sad101"]No but still just because i became competition doesn't mean you can try and get the money back that you paid me.

You said you took me off support as soon as you found out however u didn't know until jan 29 like everyone else yet i was last a support jan 9th.[/quote24f6ddb113]

You make it seem great for you to be on my site for another day to get more
members to join your site by promoting your site via support.[/quote24f6ddb113]


what are you talking about i wasn't your support no where near. I left you as support waited around 2 weeks then started my own. Then i sold it and im done. I never used your site to promote anything. Dont say that but you have yet to deny going on my account why is that.

[quoteff72dd620e="DIABLO"]If he didn't even know what a 1099 was until a few days ago, and he's paying out people over $600(if he hasn't he probably will soon), they must give him a W9 form, that means he doesn't require W9's if he doesn't even know what a 1099 is because is because he should know what he must fill out before he starts asking for people's social security numbers and personal information, this means he probably doesn't report any of his payouts to the IRS, which I belive is illegal. He's a 16 year old kid who can't speak with proper grammar that lives in Atlanta, and calls it "the AtL", what did you expect? ?[/quoteff72dd620e]

hmm.. now let me remind everyone i have started this site this year.

Find me a person i paid over 599 and they will say they gave me a w9. More importantly , [bff72dd620e]why would a site owner pay out people over 599 without filing a w9[/bff72dd620e]? I am hoping diablo is less than 18 because if he doesn't know what a tax deductible is then.... we will just leave alone.


[quoteff72dd620e="DIABLO"]Well, you're offers reversed, you're a frauder, you shouldn't be paid. I hope you don't get any money out of this if you really are a frauder. [/quoteff72dd620e]

well then what should i do? pay him [bff72dd620e]BACK[/bff72dd620e] the money that paypal refunded me or keep the money?

I am pretty sure if i go into any court i will win because he has committed fraud on my site and possibly others since he did a LOT of offers on my site.

What offer did you do on free4me? lets confirm this fraud right now.

Can you explain this one. Crafycash, Just explain how the money got refunded then craftycash? So are you saying lamif refunded the money to you? http//www.anything4free.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86867

TO SUMMARIZE THIS ENTIRE THREAD findme is obviously avoiding the issue of his scamming the original poster with all these bits about W9, 1099, etc.

Personally, this thread is enough for me to avoid craftycash forever. I always found findme a bit too immature to run a freesite, though.

[quoteade76d441f="ilanbg"]TO SUMMARIZE THIS ENTIRE THREAD findme is obviously avoiding the issue of his scamming the original poster with all these bits about W9, 1099, etc.

Personally, this thread is enough for me to avoid craftycash forever. I always found findme a bit too immature to run a freesite, though.[/quoteade76d441f]

i guess you missed the part when i said i deny all of this that he is accusing me of?

as for the tax bs we have other users ( like yourself for example) that are jumping in saying random thought about taxes and/or not sticking to the topic.

Right cause he just felt the need to refund the money to you out of the kindness of his heart....

[quote04646b0653="MyJobIsThis"]Right cause he just felt the need to refund the money to you out of the kindness of his heart....[/quote04646b0653]

No, paypal refunded the money from him to me out of the kindness of their heart. I am honestly confused to if paypal did it or if he did it himself...

[quotef41362b609="findme"][quotef41362b609="ilanbg"]TO SUMMARIZE THIS ENTIRE THREAD findme is obviously avoiding the issue of his scamming the original poster with all these bits about W9, 1099, etc.

Personally, this thread is enough for me to avoid craftycash forever. I always found findme a bit too immature to run a freesite, though.[/quotef41362b609]

i guess you missed the part when i said i deny all of this that he is accusing me of? [/quotef41362b609]

No, but I did miss the part where you posted proof that you didn't scam him.

[quotece51d02910="findme"]Now i just need to get a few site owners to help me out by pulling information of what offers he did when he takes this to court.[/quotece51d02910]


Would you like for me to list the offers that HE frauded or the offers that YOU frauded?

I'll be glad to post the pages of them if you need.


Those who live in glass houses...

[quote66bc8e91ff="findme"]

No, paypal refunded the money from him to me out of the kindness of their heart. I am honestly confused to if paypal did it or if he did it himself...[/quote66bc8e91ff]

PayPal didn't nor did i, i was at court for a traffic ticket. And know one in my house has access to my paypal. It was user done and i did not do it.


This is not a trash thread about me nor my former site i just wanted to inform all users about what happened. Thats all. I called paypal and they told me if it wasn't me (witch it wasn't) that you would be the person. You could have access by some means. I guess just wait for paypal to tell me the truth.

[quote87ccec0529="findme"]

I am pretty sure if i go into any court i will win because he has committed fraud on my site and possibly others since he did a LOT of offers on my site.

What offer did you do on free4me? lets confirm this fraud right now.[/quote87ccec0529]


Do you [i87ccec0529]Really[/i87ccec0529] want to do this?


I got nothing for either of you. But honestly - you're digging yourself a deep grave.

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Rick aka CorpRebel roll

I'm certain PayPal logged the IP that initiated the refund transaction, so if you could get hold of that it would go a LONG way toward settling this. Just not sure PayPal would divulge it. If in fact they do, sad101, PM it to me or one of the other mods and we can tell you if it belongs to anyone who has posted here.

I've got an AIM converstation for you. I tried to help. ?

[quoteed398344fb]TFOAF lihey
TFOAF talk to my truthfully hear
TFOAF i'm not going to sound like a bitch
TFOAF but
TFOAF did he refund you the money he sent you?
FindmePurity i think he did and is trying to shut my site down
FindmePurity he knew damn well he owed me that money
TFOAF listen
TFOAF what
TFOAF ?
TFOAF he owed you money
TFOAF why
FindmePurity he broke my tos
FindmePurity he broke it in many ways
TFOAF ahahahahahah
TFOAF dude
TFOAF no offense
TFOAF that's the risk of freebie site
TFOAF okay
TFOAF look
TFOAF you sent him the money
TFOAF it's his now
TFOAF coming from an honest person
TFOAF right herer
TFOAF here
TFOAF the right thing to do is give him the money back
TFOAF you already paid it to him
TFOAF when a user goes red after you pay him
TFOAF you're not supposed to get the money back
TFOAF that's just how it is
TFOAF and it's a risk every site owner takes
TFOAF but give him back the money you paid him, regardless if he's a scammer or not
TFOAF okay?
TFOAF please?
TFOAF he'll stop bashing you if you do
FindmePurity even if he did the damage is already done
FindmePurity i won't have people comming to my site anymore
FindmePurity its basically the end for me
FindmePurity as for the money. i spent it by paying out others
FindmePurity but when i get my next check from revenueuniverse i will pay him back
FindmePurity oh wait revenue universe has terminated my account because i broke the tos
FindmePurity ( today )
TFOAF what?..
TFOAF how did you break the ToS
TFOAF wtf
TFOAF IT DOESNT MATTER
FindmePurity Your membership has been terminated with the Revenue Universe Network. Due to a violation of the TOS your account has been locked.


TFOAF WTF
TFOAF IT DOESNT MATTER
FindmePurity oh yeah, your right
TFOAF IF
TFOAF YOU HAVE THE MONEY OR NOT
TFOAF you have to pay him back
TFOAF and not be a dick about it
TFOAF and if it's a loss
TFOAF then it's a loss
TFOAF THAT'S HOW BUSINESSES WORK
FindmePurity and i have to pay others back also
FindmePurity with money i dont have
TFOAF so do it
TFOAF find the mone
TFOAF y
TFOAF pay them back
FindmePurity yes i will do that
FindmePurity thanks for letting me know
FindmePurity when i get fucked dont fuck others is what your saying basically?
TFOAF yes
TFOAF look at it this way
TFOAF you have a business and employees
FindmePurity when you become bankrupt
TFOAF yes
TFOAF you still ahve to pay them
FindmePurity you pay others out of your ass
TFOAF yheah
FindmePurity and make yourself look like a fucking fool
TFOAF basically
TFOAF but you have to do it
TFOAF k?
FindmePurity LOL
TFOAF what
FindmePurity nothing
TFOAF you are going to pay them back, right?
FindmePurity i am listed as a scammer and everyone says i am
FindmePurity i might as well just be a scammer now
TFOAF don't
TFOAF you can get in a shitload of trouble
FindmePurity i mean i lost everything
TFOAF pay him and the other people back
TFOAF that's your fault
FindmePurity what can a court do?
TFOAF and that's a risk YOU HAVE TO TAKE
TFOAF WHEN RUNNING A BUSINESS
FindmePurity i am broke
TFOAF NOT ALL BUSINESS'S ARE SUCCESSFUL
TFOAF OH SO THE FUCK WHAT
FindmePurity i will file bankruptcy
TFOAF ...
TFOAF and you still HAVE TO PAY THEM
FindmePurity when i get money i will
TFOAF promise?
TFOAF you better get it soon
TFOAF shit grammar error, business's should be businesses -P
TFOAF do you promise to pay them back?
FindmePurity lamif?
TFOAF ?
TFOAF all of them
TFOAF the one's who "refunded you" the money
TFOAF the money you already paid the
TFOAF lithem
TFOAF and gave it back to you
TFOAF to you promise to pay them back
FindmePurity so what should i do now?
TFOAF since it's technically theirs?
TFOAF ANSWER ME
TFOAF DO YOU PROMISE TO PAY THEM
FindmePurity and the money i get scammed out of it technially mines right?
TFOAF how are you getting scammed?
TFOAF you owe them money
TFOAF because you paid them already
FindmePurity who owes me money?
TFOAF YOU OWE THEM MONEY
FindmePurity ...
FindmePurity your not getting it
TFOAF liyou're
TFOAF DO YOU PROMISE TO PAY THE PEOPLE WHO "REFUNDED" THEIR PAYMENTS BACK?
FindmePurity hold on
TFOAF NO ANSWER ME
TFOAF BECAUSE I HAVE TO GO
TFOAF DO YOU PROMISE
TFOAF TO PAY THEM BACK?
FindmePurity who are you?
TFOAF what do you mean...who am I?
TFOAF I'm asking you a question
TFOAF are you going to pay them back, yes or no
FindmePurity yes
FindmePurity when i get the money
TFOAF which will be when
TFOAF ?
FindmePurity i am 1 million dollars in debt
FindmePurity i got a loan to pay
FindmePurity a house to pay
FindmePurity and a family to feed
FindmePurity now i got a problem on my site
FindmePurity when will you think that will be?
TFOAF you're a fucking retard
FindmePurity think for a second
TFOAF #1, you're 16 years old
TFOAF or 17
TFOAF one of those
TFOAF one million dollars in debt? LOL
FindmePurity i guess your not thinking
TFOAF liyou're
TFOAF okay
TFOAF you know you're probably going to end up in court
TFOAF i'm posting this convo on FiPG
TFOAF now I get to call you a scammer
TFOAF because you're scamming.
FindmePurity who?
FindmePurity you?
TFOAF You are a scammer.
FindmePurity i will pay soon
FindmePurity well i will try to pay
FindmePurity but paying lamif is the last on my list
TFOAF will you PAY ALL OF THEM BACK
FindmePurity can u read?
TFOAF not try
TFOAF you will
TFOAF pay everyone back
TFOAF and your parents feed you
TFOAF you don't feed your parents
TFOAF by the way
FindmePurity signed off at 115709 PM.
TFOAF and to talk about debt, your "1 million dollars" debt, my family owes thousands in medical bills, because we have no health insurance, so shut the fuck up, and stop scamming people
Previous message was not received by FindmePurity because of error User FindmePurity is not available.[/quoteed398344fb]

i dont see how paypal would just REFUND a payment without a complaint and even those take weeks.

It just doesnt make sense to me...

That AIM session basically sums it up then.

I got curious and researched www.CraftyCash.net

This is what he has listed for registration.

Administrative Contact
Cash, Crafty email==dt.ninja@gmail.comdt.ninja@gmail.com=dt.ninja@gmail.comdt.ninja@gmail.com/email
CraftyCash Network
1337 yea sure email me
Atlanta, Georgia 13337
United States
4046425876

Zip Code 13337 is located in New York State and is an obvious ploy off of geek jargon for Elite (If You Are Confused)[=http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet](If You Are Confused).

Haven't tried the phone number yet, maybe some one else could. Area code 404 is located in Atlanta Georgia but is not listed in either the white or yellow pages.

http//www.anything4free.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t77190.html

This is where he gets upset for being put on hold at Free4Me.

"Free4MeSupport (13511 PM) I am here to help and I do help, but I cant' give you answers to questions you don't ask
craftygabe (13548 PM) who processes the payments? and how do i speak to him?
Free4MeSupport (13601 PM) Would you like to explain why you have multiple gear accounts while we're here?
craftygabe (13623 PM) elaborate please
craftygabe (13634 PM) since i have nothing to explain
Free4MeSupport (13644 PM) sure thing, hold on just a minute
craftygabe (13654 PM) k
Free4MeSupport (13759 PM) I talked to my boss about your account and he was checking into your payment and found that you have multiple accounts with the same IP address. So he placed you on hold"

He claims that his friend must have accidently logged on at his house to check for green but this is proved a lie.

"Free4MeSupport (14415 PM) Your sign up IP and the other persons both match, read our TOS"


I don't have an opinion either way yet, but here is more info.

[quoteabc7b275df="coolvaughan"]Administrative Contact
Cash, Crafty email==dt.ninja@gmail.comdt.ninja@gmail.com=dt.ninja@gmail.comdt.ninja@gmail.com/email
CraftyCash Network
1337 yea sure email me
Atlanta, Georgia 13337
United States
4046425876[/quoteabc7b275df]
I bet ICANN or his registrar would be interested to know that he supplied bogus info for the domain registration, which is a direct violation of ICANN regulations and could result in termination of the domain. Oops.

If you have been scammed by Gabe, you can easily file a complaint with the FBI at the website listed below.

FBI Complaint Form[=http//www.ic3.gov/complaint/]FBI Complaint Form

[quoted2fb9fe3fe="coolvaughan"]If you have been scammed by Gabe, you can easily file a complaint with the FBI at the website listed below.

FBI Complaint Form[=http//www.ic3.gov/complaint/]FBI Complaint Form[/quoted2fb9fe3fe]

Findme,


youve gotten yourself into some deeppp shitttt. You better make things right or youre going to end up paying thousands or even end up in jail with other criminals.


youve been caught, make things right, look here

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=56068

[quote090adbf613]FindmePurity as for the money. i spent it by paying out others
FindmePurity but when i get my next check from revenueuniverse i will pay him back
FindmePurity oh wait revenue universe has terminated my account because i broke the tos
FindmePurity ( today )
TFOAF what?..
TFOAF how did you break the ToS
TFOAF wtf
TFOAF IT DOESNT MATTER
FindmePurity Your membership has been terminated with the Revenue Universe Network. Due to a violation of the TOS your account has been locked.
TFOAF WTF
TFOAF IT DOESNT MATTER[/quote090adbf613]


Okay since it was brought up liIli terminated his RevU account although he didnt make any money from us.

Gabriel - Craftycash Network email==crafty@craftycash.netcrafty@craftycash.net=crafty@craftycash.netcrafty@craftycash.net/email $0.00 Terminated

Also it was for this reason (these were all completed from Crafty's IP address)
[b090adbf613]
Video Professor 2007-01-07 171603
Video Professor 2007-01-07 141603
Blockbuster 2007-01-07 165605
Blockbuster 2006-12-24 083604
Blockbuster 2007-01-07 134104 [/b090adbf613]
Advantage Language 2006-11-26 142112
Columbia House DVD 2006-12-24 103603
HealthSaver - $1 Trial 2006-12-16 075723
Actipril 2006-12-23 214130
[b090adbf613]24/7 Weight Loss 2006-11-26 104712
24/7 Weight Loss 2006-12-23 212744 [/b090adbf613]
21st Century Insurance 2006-12-24 100409
Auction Money Kit 2006-12-24 102621
Great Fun 2006-12-16 074612
Ebay Onramp 2006-12-24 120606
StopSmoking180 2006-12-24 113114
HudHomesNow 2006-12-24 185206
BigWin.com Philips Plasma TV 2006-12-24 103157
eBay Profit 2006-12-24 091237

[quotec5c93c4116="mamamia"]Admin of Crafty is a 16 year old kid who did not even know what a 1099 was until he asked a couple other site owners a few weeks ago! I would stay clear of the site! There is a good reason he was banned from A4F![/quotec5c93c4116]

did you know what a W9 was when you started doing freebies? because i sure didn't know what the hell it was also until someone told me cry, and damn i guess craftycash is done for good now. oops

TFOAF, honestly this owner doesn't care if he promises YOU that he will pay everyone. Paypal charge backs/complains take a long time, i doubt that was an issue. Looks like the owner of the site has completed multiple offers as seen from the revu listed by egy.
And if the owner is 16, i can ALMOST guarantee that
-i am 1 million dollars in debt - no you don't
-i got a loan to pay - being 16...i doubt that
-a house to pay - no you don't
-Fand a family to feed - no you don't
-now i got a problem on my site - that you clearly have


Gmario, i see you reading this thread, you can learn a lot here being a good newbie and wanting to open a site, you can see what can happen if things go bad.

[quote01e5ea00d5="dmorris68"][quote01e5ea00d5="coolvaughan"]Administrative Contact
Cash, Crafty email==dt.ninja@gmail.comdt.ninja@gmail.com=dt.ninja@gmail.comdt.ninja@gmail.com/email
CraftyCash Network
1337 yea sure email me
Atlanta, Georgia 13337
United States
4046425876[/quote01e5ea00d5]
I bet ICANN or his registrar would be interested to know that he supplied bogus info for the domain registration, which is a direct violation of ICANN regulations and could result in termination of the domain. Oops.[/quote01e5ea00d5]

That IS happening alot. I see lots of posts on the various Net Marketing forums about this happening more and more frequently. If you own any domains that you care about, you really DO need to provide correct and up-to-date info with your registrar.

If not ... Take your chances, I guess. roll

Rick aka CorpRebel 8)

[quote184aa8454b="findme"]why would a site owner pay out people over 599 without filing a w9[/quote184aa8454b]

I have no idea, but if you didn't know what a 1099 was until a few days ago as somebody stated on the first page and you didn't deny, then I doubt you've received any W9s...

[quote20bf29e2c5="egyptianruin"][quote20bf29e2c5]FindmePurity as for the money. i spent it by paying out others
FindmePurity but when i get my next check from revenueuniverse i will pay him back
FindmePurity oh wait revenue universe has terminated my account because i broke the tos
FindmePurity ( today )
TFOAF what?..
TFOAF how did you break the ToS
TFOAF wtf
TFOAF IT DOESNT MATTER
FindmePurity Your membership has been terminated with the Revenue Universe Network. Due to a violation of the TOS your account has been locked.
TFOAF WTF
TFOAF IT DOESNT MATTER[/quote20bf29e2c5]


Okay since it was brought up liIli terminated his RevU account although he didnt make any money from us.

Gabriel - Craftycash Network email==crafty@craftycash.netcrafty@craftycash.net=crafty@craftycash.netcrafty@craftycash.net/email $0.00 Terminated

Also it was for this reason (these were all completed from Crafty's IP address)
[b20bf29e2c5]
Video Professor 2007-01-07 171603
Video Professor 2007-01-07 141603
Blockbuster 2007-01-07 165605
Blockbuster 2006-12-24 083604
Blockbuster 2007-01-07 134104 [/b20bf29e2c5]
Advantage Language 2006-11-26 142112
Columbia House DVD 2006-12-24 103603
HealthSaver - $1 Trial 2006-12-16 075723
Actipril 2006-12-23 214130
[b20bf29e2c5]24/7 Weight Loss 2006-11-26 104712
24/7 Weight Loss 2006-12-23 212744 [/b20bf29e2c5]
21st Century Insurance 2006-12-24 100409
Auction Money Kit 2006-12-24 102621
Great Fun 2006-12-16 074612
Ebay Onramp 2006-12-24 120606
StopSmoking180 2006-12-24 113114
HudHomesNow 2006-12-24 185206
BigWin.com Philips Plasma TV 2006-12-24 103157
eBay Profit 2006-12-24 091237[/quote20bf29e2c5]


http//forum.freeipodguide.com/smilies_mod/upload/db07989e460d931d93843d0dd44f81e2.gif[" alt=""/img20bf29e2c5]



So when is the ban hammer coming down?

I think the ban hammer is too light. If he indeed logged on to someone else's paypal and refunded money...he should be prosecuted accordingly.

The wheels should be in motion. that's fraud and theft and he can be tried as an adult for that.

This is an update.
This is not about frauded offers or personal accounts this is about a unauthorized transaction on my paypal account witch was a refund to Crafty cash. PayPal says that it wasn't done by paypal, therefor most likely Gabe. So please don't go of topic with frauded and what not. Im out of the scene like I've stated many times, so please don't affiliate me with my old site and what not. I sold it. My concern why i accused him was because he had everything he needed as password, name, phone, email etc. I had 1,800+ in my account so if it was another person wouldn't they have taken more money instead of a refund. Thats what the lady told me that if it was anyone witch it was it would have most likely been him.It takes 10 days + before paypal is able to get to the case and when they do they will determine what happened. If you have had a similar problem like this or something along these lines please respond if not, just let the people who have talk. All i ask is why you would do things along this. If you didn't do it you wouldn't of said i got paid then block me on AIM you would have said interesting. Thats odd etc. You had something to do with it im guess based on your reactions. I say either pay me and others you have scammed. Or face full legal actions.

For all people saying im stupid for using the same password. Yes it was my fault and i never thought, A someone would stoop this low, and i never relised it would happen. I usually use passwords that are temp for freebie sites.

I dont understand what his thinking behind this.

Also Gabe do you have an alibi(sp?) If so please state. I have one showing i was not at home nor near a computer, and since I'm the only one who knows my information in my household i can guaranteed it wasn't them.


So to sum it up. Please don't talk about fraud etc. Just stick to paypal claims he may have filed, (note he has done a claim on every payment, including 1 dollar promo's Filed 5 or 6. If you have expernainced anything else go ahead. This is my personal experience and im not saying it will be like this for everyone. But if he has a promo saying payout instantly IDK how that is possible if he says he cannot afford it.

I will keep you updated but this will take a few days to get more information.

[quote43884c917a="sad101"][quote43884c917a="findme"]

No, paypal refunded the money from him to me out of the kindness of their heart. I am honestly confused to if paypal did it or if he did it himself...[/quote43884c917a]

PayPal didn't nor did i, i was at court for a traffic ticket. And know one in my house has access to my paypal. It was user done and i did not do it.


This is not a trash thread about me nor my former site i just wanted to inform all users about what happened. Thats all. I called paypal and they told me if it wasn't me (witch it wasn't) that you would be the person. You could have access by some means. I guess just wait for paypal to tell me the truth.[/quote43884c917a]


Your CASE logs show that paypal did it. Not the user. It shows that the refund is initiated, refunded, and THEN the case is closed. Your story has been adjusted from here than the original one you posted in another thread about Findme losing the case THEN refunding the money. Yet your screenshots do not support those accusations. If this were the case, paypal would limit his account yet he's been able to make payouts dating after this incident. And why??? I think the real issue is whether or not he had valid motives to ask paypal for a refund not the fact that paypal believed him and then refunded the money (as is supported by the screenshots unless you can provide different ones showing otherwise).

[quote5c2ed8c4f6="shylesson"][quote5c2ed8c4f6="sad101"][quote5c2ed8c4f6="findme"]

No, paypal refunded the money from him to me out of the kindness of their heart. I am honestly confused to if paypal did it or if he did it himself...[/quote5c2ed8c4f6]

PayPal didn't nor did i, i was at court for a traffic ticket. And know one in my house has access to my paypal. It was user done and i did not do it.


This is not a trash thread about me nor my former site i just wanted to inform all users about what happened. Thats all. I called paypal and they told me if it wasn't me (witch it wasn't) that you would be the person. You could have access by some means. I guess just wait for paypal to tell me the truth.[/quote5c2ed8c4f6]


Your CASE logs show that paypal did it. Not the user. It shows that the refund is initiated, refunded, and THEN the case is closed. Your story has been adjusted from here than the original one you posted in another thread about Findme losing the case THEN refunding the money. Yet your screenshots do not support those accusations. If this were the case, paypal would limit his account yet he's been able to make payouts dating after this incident. And why??? I think the real issue is whether or not he had valid motives to ask paypal for a refund not the fact that paypal believed him and then refunded the money (as is supported by the screenshots unless you can provide different ones showing otherwise).[/quote5c2ed8c4f6]


Read again. He filed it against me and the refund was to me. Read carefully. The funds were placed on Hold. So i was negative balance and during this time it was proven that I won and the hold was removed aka refunded to me. If he won the money that was on hold would have went to him. Then there is a whole new transaction on March 5th. it was a refund issued by a user however it was not me. Please read more carefully. Thats all i ask.

Stealing money = fraud. I'm still indifferent, but I'm just saying that people are talking about fraud because it sounds like he did a fraudulent thing to get money back ... making it hard to not bring up other instances of fraud.

Also ... you don't want to be associated to your old site, but I think you said that you work support for them ...[quotec0c1768f0f="sad101"]Hi i work as extra help when he needs it as it used to be my site, Its 36 per referral FEE FREE. If you get so many we usually make special arrangements.[/quotec0c1768f0f]

Here is the link to that ... here.

That's a reason to associate you with the site.

[quote2643c2104f="moviemadnessman"]Stealing money = fraud. I'm still indifferent, but I'm just saying that people are talking about fraud because it sounds like he did a fraudulent thing to get money back ... making it hard to not bring up other instances of fraud.

Also ... you don't want to be associated to your old site, but I think you said that you work support for them ...[quote2643c2104f="sad101"]Hi i work as extra help when he needs it as it used to be my site, Its 36 per referral FEE FREE. If you get so many we usually make special arrangements.[/quote2643c2104f]

Here is the link to that ... here.

That's a reason to associate you with[/quote2643c2104f]

Yes i help him when he needs it as he isn't familiar with the script. I knew how much it payouts were since i USED to own the site. For example if you sold a car and something wasn't working or you didn't know how to use it, who would you call to ask? Yes I help him im not going to say here do everything learn on your own. That is all.

Also the offers he frauded and offers i frauded have nothing to do with this topic so i ask not to discuss them.

[quote8d5e0de068="sad101"]Also the offers he frauded and offers i frauded have nothing to do with this topic so i ask not to discuss them.[/quote8d5e0de068]

Well, this is the Scammers & Problem Traders forum ... and when something comes up like logging into another person's Paypal and refunding the money that you paid them, well, it does cause concern for the users of the site in question.

So I don't honestly find it unreasonable to discuss past issues of fraud, because that helps establish the credibility of the people involved. If this was taking place in a court, for example, your past and his past would both be admissible, and so past cases of fraud, related or not, could be presented. And so it is here, especially with both his site and your old site (even though you don't own it) still around.

http//www.cashjunction.biz/forum-images/popcorn1.gif[" alt=""/img28e7d4af59]


Rick aka CorpRebel [img="28e7d4af59]http//www.cashjunction.biz/forum-images/shrug.gif[" alt=""/img28e7d4af59]

[quote778b6b7d67="moviemadnessman"][quote778b6b7d67="sad101"]Also the offers he frauded and offers i frauded have nothing to do with this topic so i ask not to discuss them.[/quote778b6b7d67]

Well, this is the Scammers & Problem Traders forum ... and when something comes up like logging into another person's Paypal and refunding the money that you paid them, well, it does cause concern for the users of the site in question.

So I don't honestly find it unreasonable to discuss past issues of fraud, because that helps establish the credibility of the people involved. If this was taking place in a court, for example, your past and his past would both be admissible, and so past cases of fraud, related or not, could be presented. And so it is here, especially with both his site and your old site (even though you don't own it) still around.[/quote778b6b7d67]
You do make a good point. If you wish i guess you can discuss it however I be honest i did True.com multiple times with a date gap in between. Since i was caught i felt bad did my best to regain the peoples respect however possible. Thats all i have done. I have not done anything else. I just didn't want this topic to get lists of stuff not related to paypal etc.

I don't have anything against either of you; I have an account at both his site and your old site. I'm glad to see that you will admit to your faults; that shows a great judge of character ... I think we are making progress.

Now, if the Paypal situation could only be solved this easily ... but, it will be hard to repair the damage done to your reputation and to his ... not impossible, but hard non-the-less.

[quote708d57a66b="moviemadnessman"]I don't have anything against either of you. I'm glad to see that you will admit to your faults; that shows a great judge of character ... I think we are making progress.

Now, if the Paypal situation could only be solved this easily ...[/quote708d57a66b]

Thanks. The first thing i found out when this happened i had a deal with SWgreen aka FSR Guy and i paid him 50 for me going red. Then i told Dabbs to make sure the ipod isn't sent to me. Then i talked with the sites and offered to pay them for any losses etc. I am really a nice person who got used by a guy who has no morals(that are shown). I just want this resolved and Paypal is working on it. They told me it takes about 10 days to get to it. Like i said Gabe if you did it and admit to it and pay me back, i don't want to ruin your whole life over 470 dollars. I just want what i earned and deserved.

feel free to PM me sad101...I will help you take him down. Paypal can use the IP to prosecute theft (and it's technically identity theft since the person logged in as YOU with your password)

this site owner is a liar and an asshole.

First off, no teenager is in a million dollars of debt. He's in way over his head and it's obvious from his IM conversations that he is not too bright either.

I tried IMing him and telling him some info about paypal and he was nothing but rude to me...someone who was giving indifferent information...totally uncalled for. I saved the IMs.

I'd love to see him go down if he's guilty. Not just have his site go down, but to have him prosecuted if he did in fact steal the funds.

regardless, the fact that he frauded offers should have his offer publishers pulled. Sites allowed to operate like this (and other sites owned by fraudulent freebie users) should not exist and should not be trusted.

Even if he used a good off-shore proxy or a near-by wi-fi he can still get popped.

Keep up us to date with what happens.

This is a little off topic yet i just got a PM for someone asking if i would do offers for them and one site was Crafty cash. I found this a little humorous.

[quotebaa8f95bd5="nytrate"]Even if he used a good off-shore proxy or a near-by wi-fi he can still get popped.[/quotebaa8f95bd5]

[quotebaa8f95bd5="sad101"]This is a little off topic yet i just got a PM for someone asking if i would do offers for them and one site was Crafty cash. I found this a little humorous.[/quotebaa8f95bd5]

rofl rofl

what's funny about that? it's been known to happen...especially the wi-fi scenario

[quotec4c4041aab="nytrate"]what's funny about that? it's been known to happen...especially the wi-fi scenario[/quotec4c4041aab]

It was just the wording. I know it happens, because there is almost always a trail, I just found the wording to be funny. It's nothing against you, though.

This whole issue is very serious, so I just thought that it was nice for the little comic interlude )

[quote1c4fc5af70]FindmePurity hey
TFOAF yes?
Auto response from FindmePurity I am currently away from the computer.

Send me a support ticket at www.craftycash.net if you need some help -)

FindmePurity returned at 101750 PM.
[b1c4fc5af70]FindmePurity i need to speak with sad101 at godspeed[/b1c4fc5af70]
FindmePurity post that on the forums you go to
FindmePurity thanks -)
TFOAF ummmmmmmm
TFOAF okay?
FindmePurity i will pay him on the 15th
FindmePurity if he really says he didnt refund that payment
FindmePurity and it actually would be the right thing to do [/quote1c4fc5af70]

[quote2b0683e595]
nytrate hi

craftygabe hey

craftygabe do i know you?

nytrate toolate2call

nytrate FiPG

craftygabe oh ok

nytrate just to let you know, m heard from my paypal contact

nytrate they lidid notli refund it

nytrate and the IP was different from the owner's previous and subsequent log ins

nytrate I told you i'd keep you updated

nytrate so there it is

nytrate they didn't tell me anything more

nytrate They will not investigate unless prompted to do so from the owner of the account and/or any third parties with information

nytrate i will tell the other person on FiPG the same thing later and he can make the call if he wants to ask paypal to proceed

nytrate you there still?

nytrate I have no idea what happened but if by some chance you did log-in as him...it does qualify as identity theft

nytrate and there is a legal precedent of prosecuting minors as adults in id theft cases

nytrate my uncle said they had something similiar happen last november

nytrate someone logged into another's paypal and transferred about 250

nytrate to an unverified account from a proxy

nytrate then used it to purchase items

nytrate it was traced back, defendant was 17

nytrate he was prosecuted

nytrate no jail time

nytrate but it did go on perm record and he had to pay about 5k in fines

nytrate + legal and court costs

nytrate you there?

nytrate I just wanted to let you know what I found out

nytrate you're welcome

craftygabe k

craftygabe now i wonder what do i do when i am broke at the moment

craftygabe how can i trust you?

craftygabe paypal told me that the person refunded me

craftygabe if he didnt and some other guy actually did do it i will do what i can when i can to pay him

craftygabe but if i dont pay him and go to court either way it goes it won't be me landing up in jail because i didn't do it in the first place

nytrate right

nytrate i'm just telling you what i heard

nytrate i have no agenda nor do I really care anymore

craftygabe but u did care right?

nytrate i was interested

nytrate is all

craftygabe i dont even know who you are

nytrate wow

nytrate sorry i told you then

craftygabe wow is right

nytrate wtf

nytrate i did it because I could

nytrate and i like to see justice

nytrate whether its clearing someones name

nytrate or not

craftygabe as i said i dont know you

nytrate wonderful

nytrate you don't have to

nytrate i was trying to be helpful

nytrate but if you want to be rude

nytrate disregard it all

nytrate no skin off my butt

nytrate i told u yestrday i was going to inquire

craftygabe I do NOT know you

nytrate and that i'd keep you updated

nytrate i'm sorry for keeping you updated

craftygabe what is your name?

nytrate what does it matter

nytrate i read the FiPG thread

nytrate i was just giving you some info

nytrate that could be useful

craftygabe you must like to read

nytrate uhm

craftygabe well thanks for the help whoever you are

nytrate yes, actually I do.

craftygabe bye now

nytrate uhm okay

nytrate you know before I didn't really care too much. But now that you were an asshole to me for no reason but trying to be nice...I will join in the others that will bring the demise to your site. Your publisher will have one more complaint of about 5 others I know of against you and so will your domain registrar. Good job on making an enemy out of a stranger! good bye

craftygabe thats the problem, I dont know you. You say you know someone that works at paypal yet you can tell me who they are. you can't even tell me who you are

nytrate you don't need to know. it's sickening how every snotty little kid starts a freebie site up with just a couple grand and they end up screwing everyone. Be original, do something new. 13337? please. I may be a chick but you know what? When I was 14 and 15 I had a total of 3 articles published in 2600 (1 of only 9 girls ever published in 2600 at that time). Yea, that's pretty '1337'. Starting a site and ripping people off because you're a cocky little boy...that's just dumb. you give the term elite a bad name.

craftygabe screwing up everyone?

craftygabe the people i paid out?

nytrate frauders blow, they ruin it for everyone

nytrate please

nytrate you even frauded your own offers

nytrate and lied on your domain reg

nytrate so you could avoid pissed offf users

nytrate yea, real professional

nytrate i'm done here you little snot. I just wanted to pass on some info I had access to

nytrate and you threw it in my face

nytrate just further proof of your intelligence and maturity

nytrate christ, you can't even write your own script

nytrate you use 13337 and you can't write a script?

nytrate hah

craftygabe 1337 )

nytrate thats not very 'leet'

nytrate I know the origina

nytrate l

craftygabe i hope so

nytrate im talking your fake zip

nytrate you hope so?

nytrate kid

nytrate I'm probably only 2 yrs older than u

craftygabe http//www.craftycash.net/proof/index.htm

craftygabe check it out

nytrate i was published in the only 'leet' zine that exists...

nytrate i don't need to

nytrate ive heard enough from the people

nytrate the people have spoken

craftygabe about the proof i have got

nytrate and if you want to use 13337

nytrate as a zip code

nytrate have the IQ to write your own script

nytrate shit I could do that when i was 14

nytrate thats the opposite of 1337

nytrate thats fucking lame

craftygabe who said i use that as a zip code?

nytrate your domain reg

craftygabe check your info

nytrate i did

nytrate you probablychanged it by now

nytrate dude your number is up

craftygabe go bother someone else with your non sense

nytrate sure.

craftygabe post that link on the forums for me

craftygabe http//www.craftycash.net/proof/index.htm

craftygabe )

nytrate nothanks

craftygabe post this convo on forums please?

nytrate i will however make sure everyone contacts your publisher

nytrate that I might do

craftygabe i want to prove that i am not a scammer

nytrate along with the one yesterday

nytrate where you acted like a dick for no reason

craftygabe you want to bother free4me more?

nytrate excuse me?

craftygabe http//www.craftycash.net/proof/index.htm

craftygabe post that )

nytrate i saw it

nytrate and no I wont

craftygabe please

nytrate i will post asking everyone to contact your publisher

craftygabe i want to prove i am not a scammer

nytrate good bye now

nytrate too late

craftygabe i would like you to prove it for me also

nytrate i read your AIM logs

nytrate i would like you to kiss my ass

craftygabe oh

craftygabe you read the one about me paying out someone today?

nytrate go write your own script mr 1337

craftygabe i guess not

nytrate who gives a fuck

craftygabe i didnt have no one to post that one either

nytrate i read your conduct with people

craftygabe i thought you did

nytrate its disgusting

craftygabe and the payouts are?

nytrate your publisher will be pulled

nytrate keep acting cocky

craftygabe post this for me

nytrate maybe you shouldnt have gotten banned

nytrate so you can post it yourself

craftygabe (

[/quote2b0683e595]

anyone know who this person is?

[quotea6db49ca26="moviemadnessman"][quotea6db49ca26="nytrate"]Even if he used a good off-shore proxy or a near-by wi-fi he can still get popped.[/quotea6db49ca26]

[quotea6db49ca26="sad101"]This is a little off topic yet i just got a PM for someone asking if i would do offers for them and one site was Crafty cash. I found this a little humorous.[/quotea6db49ca26]

rofl rofl[/quotea6db49ca26]

hey, check out my proof located here

http//www.craftycash.net/proof/index.htm

if you know of anyone who has been paid by me and would like to post proof let me know.

I will keep you updated with new proof by posting proof on the forums if you are weary of clicking the link.

um maybe nytrate, the person who posted right above you roll

[quote1931e079be="TFOAF"][quote1931e079be]FindmePurity hey
TFOAF yes?
Auto response from FindmePurity I am currently away from the computer.

Send me a support ticket at www.craftycash.net if you need some help -)

FindmePurity returned at 101750 PM.
[b1931e079be]FindmePurity i need to speak with sad101 at godspeed[/b1931e079be]
FindmePurity post that on the forums you go to
FindmePurity thanks -)
TFOAF ummmmmmmm
TFOAF okay?
FindmePurity i will pay him on the 15th
FindmePurity if he really says he didnt refund that payment
FindmePurity and it actually would be the right thing to do [/quote1931e079be][/quote1931e079be]

[quote08a54a63c3="egyptianruin"]um maybe nytrate, the person who posted right above you roll[/quote08a54a63c3]

is that person legit?


also, everyone lay off of messaging my advertisers. It is not helping.

If this guy really want to take it to court i have no problem with it because i haven't did anything wrong besides getting money back by calling up paypal and asking for the money. It took them a while to refund the money to me but they finally did or maybe he refunded the money i have no idea but what i do know is that if this guy really wants to take this to court i would wouldn't have a problem with it.

yea it's me, scammer

just because you are paying people NOW doesn't make everything right.

everyone read the IM conversations. Also, you forgot to post the IM convo with me where you acted like a dick out of nowhere. you just posted the stuff out of context. congrats!

Hey on your myspace you say you are a brilliant programmer and web designer. May I ask why then, that you did not write your own script? Surely, it's a simple task if you have any knowledge of those two fields.

Yeah... Also...how can this kid run a freebie site when its proven he frauded offers himself?

and I did talk to someone at paypal who told me that...I found it out to be NICE and you threw it in my face. Forgot to post that part of the IM convo my friend?

grow up, it takes more than cockiness to run a business. You can't screw people over and then pay out later and say it's ok. It's not.

[quote0812208986="findme"]
also, everyone lay off of messaging my advertisers. It is not helping. [/quote0812208986]

You fraud offers. You can't run a freebie site. The advertisers have a right to know.

I suggest everyone that had a problem or was treated rudely before payout contacts the advertisers. Even if he paid you out now, it doesn't excuse the scammer-like activity before.

Go ahead, refute it. Argue it. I'm done. And I will forward this thread to your advertisers.

I have contacted paypal about this and they said it was done by the same person. Ask the scammer i paid the same question. They will say the same thing.

He has lied about me hacking into his account and stealing money from him. He knows he refunded this money himself and is using this chance to promote his own site. YES his own site called lookatmeimfree. He frauds!

Now, i got nytrate saying she has an uncle at paypal saying that he found some information that blames me for refunding the to myself yet she can't tell me who this person is nor her/his name.

It's amazing to see how many of you guys wise to seek demise for my site. Well guess what?! You can talk my advertisers into banning my account, call up my domain people , and tell the fbi about it. End the end you will see this guy just for what he is which is a person who is trying to make my site go down by scheming this lie saying i refunded money from him when the truth is he did it ( paypal confirmed it to me ) and is trying to lie about it .

what does a person do when they get their paypal account used by another person? Contact paypal fraud center

Now when he shows proof that paypal says he had unauthorized use on his paypal account they will deny it because it will true!

What he needs to show is an email that he sent paypal. Why don't you guys ask these questions?! I am sick on being called a liar, scammer and everything else in the book. You could at least ask him for this.

[b99db2e4c17]Paypal will deny! They have to deny! Thats the only way for me to prove to you guys that i am legit besides going to court which i would love to do and get money from him.
[/b99db2e4c17]

He knows this!

[quoted728f29da4="nytrate"]yea it's me, scammer

just because you are paying people NOW doesn't make everything right.

everyone read the IM conversations. Also, you forgot to post the IM convo with me where you acted like a dick out of nowhere. you just posted the stuff out of context. congrats!

Hey on your myspace you say you are a brilliant programmer and web designer. May I ask why then, that you did not write your own script? Surely, it's a simple task if you have any knowledge of those two fields.

Yeah... Also...how can this kid run a freebie site when its proven he frauded offers himself?

and I did talk to someone at paypal who told me that...I found it out to be NICE and you threw it in my face. Forgot to post that part of the IM convo my friend?

grow up, it takes more than cockiness to run a business. You can't screw people over and then pay out later and say it's ok. It's not.[/quoted728f29da4]

[bd728f29da4]who are you?

who is your paypal uncle you claim?

if this is true ( since you say it is) why hasn't paypal closed my account?[/bd728f29da4]


I think you are working with LAMIF / sad101.


I have paid people out before. I don't pay out people who scam! do you understand that?

note

[bd728f29da4]if this is true ( since you say it is) why hasn't paypal closed my account?[/bd728f29da4]

thats a question i know we all want the answer to don't we?

hey, [b39aaadc83c]look at me I GOT PROOF[/b39aaadc83c] of a person i paid out long before this happened.

http//i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/jeremy1987/crafty.jpg[" alt=""/img39aaadc83c]

another question i have is why did i pay this person since i am a scammer?
Maybe its because i am [b39aaadc83c]not[/b39aaadc83c] and i got tons of people believing that i am a scammer.

Nobody is questioning that you paid people, Crafty, the question is if you logged into one of your member' Paypal accounts and took the money back that you sent them.

Nobody cares if you paid people in the past, address the issue at hand.

[quoteda7db870db="theysayjump"]Nobody is questioning that you paid people, Crafty, the question is if you logged into one of your member' Paypal accounts and took the money back that you sent them.

Nobody cares if you paid people in the past, address the issue at hand.[/quoteda7db870db]

I already addressed that issue on the first page if anyone saw it. I have also addressed it on this page on the post i posted before you.

I will say it again for those who did not see it on the first page and probably won't believe what i am saying but.. I DID NOT log into his paypal account and refund money. if so wouldn't I have had my paypal account closed?

People are questioning that i have paid people. most of this thread is saying those lies.

no one cares that i paid people in the past? That is NOT true. You know it and I know it is not true. If i didn't pay anyone in the past wouldn't it make me look like I don't pay out people ( and scam them )? or am i incorrect on this?

I hope i am not banned for correcting an admin here. I have had similar problems on a4f which led to me being right and banned.

proof that you made pay-outs means absolutely nothing

it just doesn't.

Also, paypal doesn't shut down accounts until they are sure of a violation. There are plenty of ways to hide an IP and they obviously have to investigate it, prompted by the victim, in order to close accounts.

The more you say it is apparent the less you know and the younger you are.

I tried to find out info for you, from someone I know, and you threw it in my face. And then posted out of context IMs after you were extremely rude. You could have just taken the info and left. But no, you had to dig deeper.

I'll repost some stuff you said to others. just for the fun of it

TFOAF you are going to pay them back, right?
FindmePurity i am listed as a scammer and everyone says i am
FindmePurity i might as well just be a scammer now
TFOAF don't

my favorite
FindmePurity i am 1 million dollars in debt
FindmePurity i got a loan to pay
FindmePurity a house to pay
FindmePurity and a family to feed
FindmePurity now i got a problem on my site
FindmePurity when will you think that will be?

the kid is SIXTEEN. Something is wrong if he is a million dollars in debt. That's not even possible, a kid that age couldn't get the kind of credit unless he was filthy filthy rich.

a million dollars of debt?

I said I was done with this before but I just find it so funny that I tried to IM and be nice and offer a word of advice and he threw it in my face like the cocky little bastard that he is and proceeded to make an enemy out of a stranger. This is called being on the defense, a trait usually shown by the guilty. This is all the more evidence that no one should do his site and that everyone should send this thread to his advertisers so they can decide for themselves.

Even if he didn't steal that paypal, anyone reading this thread knows he's a scumbag. Or a not-so-clever frauder.

How can someone be caught for frauding offers and then start their own freebie site? I feel so so so bad for those affiliates.

Go ahead "gabe", web design wiz who can't write his own script...dazzle us with another comeback complete with more meaningless payout proofs.

I'm done wasting my time. I'll try to stick to sites run by intelligent people who are even slightly trustworth and don't say

FindmePurity i am listed as a scammer and everyone says i am
FindmePurity i might as well just be a scammer now

FindmePurity i am listed as a scammer and everyone says i am
FindmePurity i might as well just be a scammer now

FindmePurity i am listed as a scammer and everyone says i am
FindmePurity i might as well just be a scammer now

[quoteffde4aa09b="findme"]I have contacted paypal about this and they said it was done by the same person. Ask the scammer i paid the same question. They will say the same thing.

He has lied about me hacking into his account and stealing money from him. He knows he refunded this money himself and is using this chance to promote his own site. YES his own site called lookatmeimfree. He frauds!
[/quoteffde4aa09b]

This doesn't make since at all.....He sold LAMIF why would he promote it...

Lets just wait for the email that the guy gets from paypal.

I live in Georgia

This guy doesn't live where i live

I dont think you can log into paypal using a proxy. can anyone even prove this?

[quote461fa53df8="MyJobIsThis"][quote461fa53df8="findme"]I have contacted paypal about this and they said it was done by the same person. Ask the scammer i paid the same question. They will say the same thing.

He has lied about me hacking into his account and stealing money from him. He knows he refunded this money himself and is using this chance to promote his own site. YES his own site called lookatmeimfree. He frauds!
[/quote461fa53df8]

This doesn't make since at all.....He sold LAMIF why would he promote it...[/quote461fa53df8]

do you have proof that he sold it?

the site looks the same if you haven't noticed.

[quotead9a13aa67="findme"]do you have proof that he sold it?[/quotead9a13aa67]
Do you have proof that he didn't sell it?

I'd love to complete both your site and the site he sold, just to show that both are cool ... but at this point, I don't think people would do either site ?

We'll see how things go ...

[quote4e977149ed="moviemadnessman"][quote4e977149ed="findme"]do you have proof that he sold it?[/quote4e977149ed]
Do you have proof that he didn't sell it?

I'd love to complete both your site and the site he sold, just to show that both are cool ... but at this point, I don't think people would do either site ?

We'll see how things go ...[/quote4e977149ed]

so basically that means when I prove him wrong people wouldn't even want to do my site? am i correct?

now do you see why I would be angry on how this happened? I have already lost members.

Even after i win this my site is basically ruined and i might as well make another one BUT the people who still do my craftycash site will STILL be paid )

People are just worried that the same thing could happen to them. I am not taking sides, but I don't think that I could pay people enough to take the chance on either site ?

I can see why this upsets you, just as I'm sure it upsets him and the site owner of lamif.com. But I guess the best advice would be to keep cool headed and to work this out as calmly as possible ... otherwise people won't want to do it because of the risk or because they think you aren't a kind site owner.

From what I've personally seen with both the sites, there are fast response times, but that was for promo credits. All the same, I don't feel the need to take sites, because quite frankly there hasn't been enough support provided by either side to convince me that one side is more right than the other ?

[quote3a82dd0f71="moviemadnessman"]People are just worried that the same thing could happen to them. I am not taking sides, but I don't think that I could pay people enough to take the chance on either site ?

I can see why this upsets you, just as I'm sure it upsets him and the site owner of lamif.com. But I guess the best advice would be to keep cool headed and to work this out as calmly as possible ... otherwise people won't want to do it because of the risk or because they think you aren't a kind site owner.

From what I've personally seen with both the sites, there are fast response times, but that was for promo credits. All the same, I don't feel the need to take sites, because quite frankly there hasn't been enough support provided by either side to convince me that one side is more right than the other ?[/quote3a82dd0f71]

I can't sleep with knowing this is making my website look bad. send a support ticket to me right now and it will be answered quickly.

Was that in response to me, or in general? Because like I said, I don't have any issues with either site.

EDIT Someone was just paid from Craftycash.
http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=56222&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Good justification? Sure. Solves the paypal issue? Well, that's still the issue, so let's just be cool and see how that finishes unfolding.

[quotee58565ebbd="findme"]
I can't sleep with knowing this is making my website look bad. send a support ticket to me right now and it will be answered quickly.[/quotee58565ebbd]

I have no idea if you're telling the truth about whether you did what you were alleged to have done and quite frankly I don't really care. But speaking from the assumption that you are innocent, I can say that your reaction to the allegations has done far more damage than the allegations themselves. If someone lies about you, you can recover from that once it's been proven that the person lied. It may hurt in the short term, but a year from now, people will look worse on the person who lied than on you (think Wendy's and the chili finger). But some of the things you said in this thread and the way you reacted will linger far longer than any of the allegations. Quite frankly, it shows that you're not mature enough to run a business.

This is of course assuming you're innocent. If you're guilty then that's a different story.

that was a response to show you that i have fast response times on support also )

[quote0712a357c3="Getstuff4free Kyle"][quote0712a357c3="findme"]
I can't sleep with knowing this is making my website look bad. send a support ticket to me right now and it will be answered quickly.[/quote0712a357c3]

I have no idea if you're telling the truth about whether you did what you were alleged to have done and quite frankly I don't really care. But speaking from the assumption that you are innocent, I can say that your reaction to the allegations has done far more damage than the allegations themselves. If someone lies about you, you can recover from that once it's been proven that the person lied. It may hurt in the short term, but a year from now, people will look worse on the person who lied than on you (think Wendy's and the chili finger). But some of the things you said in this thread and the way you reacted will linger far longer than any of the allegations. Quite frankly, it shows that you're not mature enough to run a business.

This is of course assuming you're innocent. If you're guilty then that's a different story.[/quote0712a357c3]

Let me know when you are placed in this situation.

This thread would have been much easier if other people had not posted here and it will just sad101 and me.

But, as soon as he posted this the door was left wide open for other people to comment and distrust my site by something that is not true. People even brought my advertisers in the story which isn't good at all when you are paying people instantly and advertisers pay you every 15th ( thats money i can't get back due to this particular case) The advertiser didn't even want to hear my side of the story. But hey, thats life!

update sent an email to paypal about an hour ago.

Glad i didnt go after this site = )

[quoteb2d2570024]

nytrate just to let you know, m heard from my paypal contact

nytrate they lidid notli refund it

nytrate and the IP was different from the owner's previous and subsequent log ins

nytrate I told you i'd keep you updated


[/quoteb2d2570024]

Anyone prove that she is who she says she is? she talks a lot but doesn't tell me anything i need to know. then when i ask her for her name he gets angry at me.

can anyone shed some light on this?

Gabe why do you lie about things, you kept saying paypal refunded it, now your saying the user did. You think i would go threw this much trouble to trash your site, i wouldn't. I think you need to relised the punishment that comes from this. STOP calling me late at night when I'm sleeping that is called harassment. Also if you have no money to pay me how did you pay that person 100 dollars i don't get it. You say your in debt but yet you managed to pay someone? With what money? Also how am i promoting my site when i keep saying stop affiliating me with it meaning don't talk about it. I'm not sure who you are trying to convince but making a ton of Nonsense post with no evidence is digging you a deep grave. You keep saying that I'm lieing about this, how is that. I didn't make the refund nor was i home. My family doesn't know how to work a computer and even if they did get on(witch they didn't) they don't know my login info. You have no alibi, your words don't me anything. Think about what your saying. You keep wanting to contact me but whenever i go to contact you you run away. If you want this to end send my 470 back and i will call paypal and say i got my money back. And the court stuff, I will not take tyou to court PayPal will. They will make a trail against you and use evidence i give them against you. It may not be you but i know it wasn't me, and it wouldn't make sense for someone to refund a payment to you. The transaction was on the 3rd page so it didnt happen accidentally. I suggest you stop calling me a lier and you MAN up and just wait for the outcome. I don't stay at the computer all day and try and rip on you i try to leave it alone however you always make me end up typing back. Just relax if you have nothing to worry about. Unless you do..

[quote7c447c6980="findme"]
He has lied about me hacking into his account and stealing money from him. He knows he refunded this money himself and is using this chance to promote his own site. YES his own site called lookatmeimfree. He frauds[/quote7c447c6980]

I know LAMIF sold his site, but the guy he sold it too that's another story... He too was already banned from A4F before the sale.

Damn so much drama in this topic it reminds me of high school and the little snitches running around switching sides and story's. horse

This is starting to sound like the site owner and sad101 need to drop this from the forum and handle it personally because now you have the owner Harassing sad101 over the phone. Both of you have no clue on how the money got into the original money holders hand. One person is lying but every time I start to believe someone the other person makes a good point. I just don't get it...pay pal should easily be able to tell either person who that money came from. And I would strongly disagree with the owner going to court seeing how young he is and has horrible grammar and the stories just keep changing. No matter who comes out innocent the network name is ruined.

Just my two cents take it with a grain of salt

I agree, the answer of "did he login to that guys paypal' is almost irrelevant because of the way Crafty handled the situation. Being young and running a business he needs to learn how to handle his business when problems arise...I do not see many people pursuing this site.

[quote40d35c1f6e="findme"]Let me know when you are placed in this situation.[/quote40d35c1f6e]

I hope I never do, but I've seen plenty of other sites have some pretty harsh accusations made against them by users all the time. They just handled them better.

[quote40d35c1f6e]But, as soon as he posted this the door was left wide open for other people to comment and distrust my site by something that is not true. People even brought my advertisers in the story which isn't good at all when you are paying people instantly and advertisers pay you every 15th ( thats money i can't get back due to this particular case) The advertiser didn't even want to hear my side of the story. But hey, thats life![/quote40d35c1f6e]

If I'm reading this thread correctly, your problems with Revenue Universe have to do with other problems on your end than this.

[quote1f4e1abc79][quote1f4e1abc79]But, as soon as he posted this the door was left wide open for other people to comment and distrust my site by something that is not true. People even brought my advertisers in the story which isn't good at all when you are paying people instantly and advertisers pay you every 15th ( thats money i can't get back due to this particular case) The advertiser didn't even want to hear my side of the story. But hey, thats life![/quote1f4e1abc79]

If I'm reading this thread correctly, your problems with Revenue Universe have to do with other problems on your end than this.[/quote1f4e1abc79]

findme, your actions, (no one elses) caused your account to be terminated with Revenue Universe. YOU committed fraud, plain and simple. You did NOT have any earned money with RevU so I dont know how or why you are acting like this is going to prevent you from paying people.

I sent him a message saying that i will leave this alone as long as he will and just wait for the outcome. To be honest i'm not 100% it was him but im 100% it wasn't anyone i know. I don't plan to take him to court. I filed an unauthorized transaction, meaning they will see if it wasn't from me i will get the money back and they will pursue it further. If it was found not to be me PayPal will take further actions. And Gabe, paypal told me it was done on my account. And since i didn't do it, nor anyone in my house, and it was to your site i accused you. they told me if it was anyone since it was on Page 3 of transactions and that i didn't do it, it most likely was you. Hense i posted this. I think we should let this settle down and once we get some evidence then we should start it back up. Also Gabe in the TXT message i sent i told you if you want more proof of the sale i will make screen shots of the payments etc. I just want the 470 i was paid back. I don't want to hurt your site or anything else. Like i said i don't so freebie site anymore, and i plan on never doing them again for a long time. So i guess maybe lock this topic up or just have only people with information post. I could always PM a mod or Admin once i get more information.

This was an interesting thread to read but I have to say that the situation was handled very unprofessionally compared to various other problems with other sites I have seen. Also from what I've seen posted, unless everything on one side was a blatant lie, there definitely are credible reasons to be suspicious of the site, not soley because of the complaints pit against and contradictions said by the owner, but also partially due to the age and maturity level of owner, which then questions if that one could potentially conduct efficiently a serious business that would involve balancing lots of money. In any case, I hope this conflict can be settled and everyone receive what they were due.

Just wondering, did his offers even reverse? or did your RevU account just get banned because you frauded your own offers and now you claim he's stealing money from you?

My offers didn't get reversed. I got more info also. But it will be a few more days until it is over. So far he is clean however i do deserve the money back. I will update you in a few moments.

I find it totally unbelievable that a Paypal employee would give any information about a transaction to anyone not involved in the transaction. That goes against everything they've ever written or said about privacy concerns.

That said, there's a whole bunch of shady stuff going on in the thread. I'm monitoring the thread now, and just going to let everything shake out as appears to be happening now.

[quoteb68166cb09="dmorris68"]
He didn't decrypt it though. If it was a common word (another mistake!) then he could guess or brute force it, but not decrypt it. MD5 cannot be decrypted.[/quoteb68166cb09]

no but there are plenty of sites for libraries (not that he would go through all the trouble)

[quote2380d2fa40="sad101"]My offers didn't get reversed. I got more info also. But it will be a few more days until it is over. So far he is clean however i do deserve the money back. I will update you in a few moments.[/quote2380d2fa40]

Thank you.


[quote2380d2fa40="doylnea"]I find it totally unbelievable that a Paypal employee would give any information about a transaction to anyone not involved in the transaction. That goes against everything they've ever written or said about privacy concerns.

That said, there's a whole bunch of shady stuff going on in the thread. I'm monitoring the thread now, and just going to let everything shake out as appears to be happening now.[/quote2380d2fa40]

Thank you, I am glad i am not the only one who sees how odd that is. Makes me wonder if sad101 is in it together with that nyrite person.

This thread goes much deeper than the title of the thread....

This thread is as close to a black hole as I have ever come

For the umpteenth time findme you were banned from RevU for Offer Fraud which broke the TOS. Don't believe me, want to ignore me, fine. Im one of the affiliate managers on RevU and I am the one that terminated your account. I HAVE explained it to you, you just fail to recognize that you frauded, MANY times I may add. However this thread is not about that nor did the former LAMIF owner have anything to do with your account being terminated. Now please carry on with your PayPal tribunal.

Okay, umm, so Gabe, why did you take the money back? Why does he owe it to you? You say his offers reversed, but it's really just because you frauded your own offers on your RevU account? And you expect people to complete this site...?

[quote6db2db8d8b="KeithA"]This thread is as close to a black hole as I have ever come[/quote6db2db8d8b]

I would rather be slowly torn apart by a black hole...

Just refund the money back so you can close this topic.

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I'm sorry to go off topic but +Karma to you cause that absolutely cracked me up!!

Ok, I don't like to bump old threads, but I see a few new people (at least 3 in the past month) offering to pay people to do this site, so I thought it should be brought to the surface for just a brief time.

Craftycash.net is a scam site. The owner, findme, was banned for being a scammer. He will not pay you for doing his site. New people, veterans, anyone else Stay away from this site unless you want to lose money. And people who are offering to pay for it, please stop ... you won't be paid either. Only a few people ever saw money from his site ... before he cut and ran.

Thank you for listening.