mwt123 wont pay me

I went green in laptops.ygf for nearly a week and didnt get paid from him,very bad communication!
i m tired of trading with this person.
i dont care much about the payment,but he really hurt my feelings.
wont trader with him any more!!

what were the terms of the trade? Have you contacted a mod about this yet?

Did you try to contact him? Hes one of the top traders here, I doubt he would screw you out of your money.

Hmmm. This ought to be interesting. 1st of all he greened this wednesday and here is the PM of that

From maxsil
To mwt123
Posted Wed Oct 25, 2006 1201 am
Subject laptops.ygf
my email= in laptops.ygf is email=gmfelce@fastmail.fmgmfelce@fastmail.fm in laptops.ygf is email=gmfelce@fastmail.fmgmfelce@fastmail.fm/email,paypal to email==gmfelce@fastmail.fm.thangmfelce@fastmail.fm.than=gmfelce@fastmail.fm.thangmfelce@fastmail.fm.than/emailks

He completed a site earlier for me in the week, I was reluctant to pay earlier but I requested a check on his IP from dmorris and paid him afterwards. So I thought he was legit until he sent me his paypal addy as shown above. This paypal addy is completely different from the earlier one I paid him with, email==fedurn@hotmail.comfedurn@hotmail.com=fedurn@hotmail.comfedurn@hotmail.com/email (which is also unregistered). This is nonetheless a bit shady. So I PM double_d, since he completed an earlier trade with him, for maxsil's email=, and not to my my surprise, yet a another different paypal addy, this time, email=gestrune@yahoo.comgestrune@yahoo.com, and not to my my surprise, yet a another different paypal addy, this time, email=gestrune@yahoo.comgestrune@yahoo.com/email. Might I add the 1st paypal addy I sent money to was no longer register when I attempted to direct the 2nd payment to him.

So I inquired him of the many paypal emails and this is what he had 2 say

From maxsil
To mwt123
Posted Wed Oct 25, 2006 558 pm
Subject Re laptops.ygf
mwt123 wrote
maxsil wrote
my email= in laptops.ygf is email=gmfelce@fastmail.fmgmfelce@fastmail.fm in laptops.ygf is email=gmfelce@fastmail.fmgmfelce@fastmail.fm/email,paypal to email==gmfelce@fastmail.fm.thangmfelce@fastmail.fm.than=gmfelce@fastmail.fm.thangmfelce@fastmail.fm.than/emailks


u give him a different paypal everytime.. what is up with that?

i lost the password of the previous one

mwt123 wrote
how do u lose pw to 3 different paypal addresses?

send to any paypal account as u like.
or let me know when u will be approved.

So as he insisted, I told him I will pay him after approval. I will now try to get ygf 2 get an check on him.

How do you even have three PayPal accounts?

But at the end of the day.. the trade wasn't money after approval, so you should pay him.... Doesn't matter if his paypal is lost,unverified or whatever, if it is not in your trade AFTER APPROVAL, then you owe him. Same as all other trades...

yeah maxsil is definately shady

[quote7f690ba34f="maxsil"][quote7f690ba34f="zdub08"]
i just tried to send the money to "gestrune@yahoo.com" and it said, "This recipient is not yet registered. PayPal will send an email to the recipient explaining how to complete your transaction." Did you give me the wrong address?[/quote7f690ba34f]

no,send to that email,its correct.i will make it out later[/quote7f690ba34f]
he/she hasn't gone red yet though

He agreed to payment after approval after I told him he has confronted with 3 paypal addresses.

3 paypal addresses is shady. It's not unreasonable for mwt123 to wait for his green to get approved first.

Check his grammar. Blatently from China or somewhere using a U.S. proxy. Check the IP(admins) and ask him where he lives, he'll say NYC, IP is in Cali or something )

Or he didn't use a proxy and probably did a U.S. only offer. As he said, he wont trader with you anymore, though.

Dude, half the people on this board sound like English is their third language or something (despite definitely being from America).

or some dont care when they type on the intraweb

Some more paypal addys

email==mesilles@yahoo.commesilles@yahoo.com=mesilles@yahoo.commesilles@yahoo.com/email - not registered
email==dssismine@writeme.comdssismine@writeme.com=dssismine@writeme.comdssismine@writeme.com/email - I payed him here because it was regitered and in good standing, BUT now I check it again, and it's not registered, WTF?!

This is the info on I got on him

Name
lee jun
Email
email==hbuislida@fastmail.fmhbuislida@fastmail.fm=hbuislida@fastmail.fmhbuislida@fastmail.fm/email
Payment Sent to
email==dssismine@writeme.comdssismine@writeme.com=dssismine@writeme.comdssismine@writeme.com/email

I myself am waiting for approval on DesktopsComputers4Free and refuse to pay until he is approved. I shoudn't of paid him for my Handbags.TFP, which is also in approval. Will let you guys know the outcome.

I don't think you should post those publicly. Delete them and PM a mod about this issue.

yeah i agree. the guy has done nothing wrong, yet.

This guy is telling everyone a different paypal address to send payment too, there has to be somthing fishy there. Is he like referring himself or somthing?

Name
lee jun
Email
email==hbuislida@fastmail.fmhbuislida@fastmail.fm=hbuislida@fastmail.fmhbuislida@fastmail.fm/email
Payment Sent to

email==wharcei@hotmail.comwharcei@hotmail.com=wharcei@hotmail.comwharcei@hotmail.com/email

they all direct to the same email so yeah...

email==hbuislida@fastmail.fmhbuislida@fastmail.fm=hbuislida@fastmail.fmhbuislida@fastmail.fm/email

Is a Non-U.S. Verified Premier Member (18)

Just a minor point, not backing him or blasting him, but you can have 8 email addresses on the same Paypal account, and someone can send a payment to any of them and they all go to the same account. It's a good record-keeping method if you want to use it that way ... use one email for payments from freebie sites, one for payments from traders, one for payments from business deals, etc.

[quotea651fb24eb="johnjimjones"]How do you even have three PayPal accounts?[/quotea651fb24eb]

It is the same account, but you can add as many emails as you want to the account, all you have to do is respond to the confirmation email paypal sends to that email and you can use that email.

Yeah, like snickers said, PayPal lets you attach 8 e-mail addresses to one PayPal account. I use several on mine too, one for freebies, one for eBay, etc.

However given the information posted above, things do appear shady with this person if he's giving out a different e-mail address for EVERY payment or trade attempt, with many or most being unregistered at PayPal.

His IP's do not seem to be proxies, at least not published ones. However they do seem to be scattered all over the country, from at least 2 different ISP's ranging from Kentucky to California plus one registered to a business website in MA. Proceed with caution until we can decide what to do about this user.

let's give him/her a chance to explain...

today would be nice ya know, lol. Yea, guess we should just wait to see what he has to say.

The site he did for me, the owner said he signed up with an address out of the Virgin Islands.

Dude is a worldwide balla!

And he passed approval.

i have nothing to say ,i only expressed my bad feeling in trade.
i use different email to trace the trade.
and i have several friends who can do these sites too.
i dont want to get in trouble.
thats all.

[quote364cafa4c6="maxsil"]i have nothing to say ,i only expressed my bad feeling in trade.
i use different email to trace the trade.
and i have several friends who can do these sites too.
i dont want to get in trouble.
thats all.[/quote364cafa4c6]

I'm kind of curious, if you use different emails to trace the trade, why did you tell him to send payment to any of the email addresses he wants? Seems like that would cause you problems in your tracking. Can you explain more about how exactly you use the different emails for tracking purposes, to reassure everyone that you aren't just picking up on an idea others suggested and using that as your reasonable explanation? And, more importantly in my mind, how about explaining the globe-trotting IPs?

I'm always wary of a user with more TR then posts

[quote88c962d204="Excel"]I'm always wary of a user with more TR then posts[/quote88c962d204]

I'm always wary of anyone with less than 40 TR.

[quote934156b64a="ilanbg"][quote934156b64a="Excel"]I'm always wary of a user with more TR then posts[/quote934156b64a]

I'm always wary of anyone with less than 40 TR.[/quote934156b64a]

Us 77 TR gotta stick together.

i will resolve it myself,all unpaid accounts will be HOLD.
You will get NOTHING as i m.

[quoted1f2f80551="maxsil"]i will resolve it myself,all unpaid accounts will be HOLD.
You will get NOTHING as i m.[/quoted1f2f80551]

So, you are saying that you will go on hold, and you will not refund people? And can you finish your last sentence...

[quote5ee128a3c3="Excel"]I'm always wary of a user with more TR then posts[/quote5ee128a3c3]

totally agree.

[quotefaad22c9b7="maxsil"]i will resolve it myself,all unpaid accounts will be HOLD.
You will get NOTHING as i m.[/quotefaad22c9b7]

So your going to go on hold for people and still expect cash?

The guys are saying, stay green and you will have your cash. If you are willing to pruposely cancel your ref, then that proves you have something to hide if you can't wait until approval...

[quote7ac209e0ca="manofice"][quote7ac209e0ca="Excel"]I'm always wary of a user with more TR then posts[/quote7ac209e0ca]

totally agree.[/quote7ac209e0ca]

Not when it's in the hundreds.....

Ok, i had YGF checked up on the account last night

this is what he had to say
[quote323a41c2ae]YourGiftsFree That I said to wait till approval. Since anything can change and he looks shady already[/quote323a41c2ae]

YGF said he was legit, however he recommended me to wait after approval. His registered location is now in Chicago.

He insisted that i pay him after approval, however I'll let the mods decide what i should do.

mwt123 has 293 TR and only 272 posts ... he has more TR than posts ... everyone be wary! -P

[quote94ceb2bd85="mwt123"]Ok, i had YGF checked up on the account last night

this is what he had to say
[quote94ceb2bd85]YourGiftsFree That I said to wait till approval. Since anything can change and he looks shady already[/quote94ceb2bd85]

His registered location is now located in Chicago.

He insisted that i pay him after approval, however I'll let the mods decide what i should do.[/quote94ceb2bd85]

? He insisted you pay him after approval? If so, do that.

If not, while generally I would say you should abide by the terms of the trade, in this case, given the level of shadiness, I'd say you're within the bounds of normalcy to not pay until maxsil passes approval.

[quotee25a70e335="mwt123"]He agreed to payment after approval after I told him he has confronted with 3 paypal addresses.[/quotee25a70e335]
i agreed for that u make me angry!!
didnt u realize that u pissed me off!!
You bastard!!

in coherent English please...

[quotebfdc499b7c="mwt123"]in coherent English please...[/quotebfdc499b7c]

LOL

I don't have a damn clue what he just said.

I made a deal with mwt123 last week and payment was recieved promptly

UPDATE Maxsil (illessme@mail.com) has been approved on my DesktopsComputers4Free.com (Trainn) and I have placed my order!

Hello Maxsil or should I say imaisell . )

He is from china and is getting someone else to do the offers for him.

[quote9ffc247037="gruffer"]He is from china and is getting someone else to do the offers for him.[/quote9ffc247037]

How do you know? And how do you know he is also imaisell? Is that the person doing the offers or something?

[quote46247f4706="kala"][quote46247f4706="gruffer"]He is from china and is getting someone else to do the offers for him.[/quote46247f4706]

Add how do you know?[/quote46247f4706]I am 99% sure this is him. I made a deal with Lee Jun when he was using a different name. TSJ confirmed he was from china and Lee Jun admited to me that he was not doing the offers himself.

His email addys from paypal


Email
email==hbuislida@fastmail.fmhbuislida@fastmail.fm=hbuislida@fastmail.fmhbuislida@fastmail.fm/email
Payment Sent to
email==imaisell@hotmail.comimaisell@hotmail.com=imaisell@hotmail.comimaisell@hotmail.com/email

Your engrish makes me laugh

"i think i havent the patience to wait u,i think u r a liar,didnt u promise me to send the money back when i refunded u.
i can only wait 3 days,then if i cant get the money,i will delete the account,
its a fault to meet u!! "

Hmmm... ygf told me he was from chicago.

the first payment i sent him was under the name lee jun as well

It's a fault to meet you. I should start using that.

[quote4fccf5442e="TryinToGetPaid"]It's a fault to meet you. I should start using that.[/quote4fccf5442e]its a fault you keyboard type, you are maek me angry,

[quotecbedb622cd="DIABLO"]Check his grammar. [bcbedb622cd]Blatently from China [/bcbedb622cd]or somewhere using a U.S. proxy. Check the IP(admins) and ask him where he lives, he'll say NYC, IP is in Cali or something )

Or he didn't use a proxy and probably did a U.S. only offer. As he said, he wont trader with you anymore, though.[/quotecbedb622cd]


What a suprise!!!

Just to put everything in perspective, let's recap.

Yes, maxsil jumped the gun and complained about mwt123 when he shouldn't have. Others have done the same in the past, and it will happen again, it's a common mistake, not something to hang someone over.

Yes, he's from China, but I, for one, don't care, and his grammar may be terrible, but I am able to get the general meaning of what he says, and as someone else pointed out, many Americans on forums appear to be from other countries as well, judging by how they type.

Yes, he has multiple Paypal addresses, but, as I and several others pointed out, that's not that unusual, even if it does tend to raise some suspicious eyebrows.

Yes, he's having other people complete the offers, but I know I've seen several threads where people are actively advertising that they will have a friend do an offer in trade for their accounts. I don't see this as a problem, so long as the trader is responsible for the trades, which I haven't heard anything saying maxsil hasn't.

The way I see it, he just had a lot of kinda shady things going on that collectively made us all suspicious, but in the end, it appears his credits are good, and he only really made a noob mistake by complaining too early. I respect a lot of the people posting in this thread, and this isn't anything personal toward anyone, but I think we are all getting caught up in a little bit of mob mentality, convincing each other more and more with each post that he's a bad trader, which, if you look at everything, doesn't really seem to be the case. I think this thread should come to an end.

Well he did go red on one of my sites, but eventually I got a refund....he also has 2 accounts on Fipg...pretty shady.

[quotef82e62737e="snickers"]Yes, he's having other people complete the offers, but I know I've seen several threads where people are actively advertising that they will have a friend do an offer in trade for their accounts. I don't see this as a problem, so long as the trader is responsible for the trades, which I haven't heard anything saying maxsil hasn't. [/quotef82e62737e]
I don't think you'll find anybody advertising for Person A to complete offers on Person B's account. What they're doing is getting Person A to signup themselves and complete offers under their own account. The latter is fine, the former is fraud, and a sure-fire way to go on hold.

i dont know what u r talking about,but i will confirm one thing,nwt123 will get approved and i havent done anything to his account.
i want to say,all u want is getting approved.isnt it??
ps
i can get as many approvals as u want indeed.lol
its true and i think the forum rules make me caution and only do one site once,and others as stupid nwt123 who think if someone has 3 paypal account then they will get hold.
i tell u if someone only have 1 paypal account,they can still get hold in your site.
so anyone who want only appovals can contact me in email==maxsill@hotmail.commaxsill@hotmail.com=maxsill@hotmail.commaxsill@hotmail.com/email,write this down and maybe someday u need it and i m no longer here. lol

Oh, so if they want you to go through approval they have to ask specifically ask you for it?