I'm a Scammer

Live forum: http://forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=42688

kings241

09-07-2006 22:57:12

I had 3 legit greens on his site right before his site went offline and now one referal is missing. I messeged him on aim and he told me to sign up under my referal and he would green that account. So i did what he told me and I waited and waited and still no green. My item's status was approved and being processed before his site went offline. I sent in a support ticket and he put my account on hold and blocked me from signing in. I can't reach him anyway either from aim or this forum. Please tell me what is going on. This all happened even before I was being accused of the paypal thing and my TR going -1.

TFOAF

10-07-2006 04:48:10

He probably read what happened between you, Averagejoe, and me. ;)

It's your fault dude.

You were the one to commit a crime, illegally hacking into PayPal accounts.

jy3

10-07-2006 08:14:37

[quote925b830216="TFOAF"]He probably read what happened between you, Averagejoe, and me. ;)

It's your fault dude.

You were the one to commit a crime, illegally hacking into PayPal accounts.[/quote925b830216]

to be honest I do not know the whole story, but I also do not see how his fiasco with paypal would have anything to do with yourgiftsfree...unless the greens were people that were affected by the paypal thing

Averagejoe1039

10-07-2006 08:22:29

That's was happened. ^^^ We were affected.

kings241

10-07-2006 11:45:10

[quote2d56d01b17="jy3"][quote2d56d01b17="TFOAF"]He probably read what happened between you, Averagejoe, and me. ;)

It's your fault dude.

You were the one to commit a crime, illegally hacking into PayPal accounts.[/quote2d56d01b17]

to be honest I do not know the whole story, but I also do not see how his fiasco with paypal would have anything to do with yourgiftsfree...unless the greens were people that were affected by the paypal thing[/quote2d56d01b17]

Before the paypal thing I had 3 greens and I submitted for approval and got approved and item was being proccessed. Then yourgiftsfree site went offline for 2 days and after the site came back i was missing one whole referal which had a green in it.

So then he told me to resign under my own referal and he would green that account. I did that and I waited but he never greened that account. So after that I traded paypal for a green from someone else and thats when my account went on hold.

Basically my 3 greens that I had when my account was approved and proccessed never had anything to do with paypal. They were all trades that I did with people on this forum.

I shouldn't get my account on hold because my item should of already been shipped to my house without any of this going on. If the paypal thing happened while I was getting my last green before getting approved then it would make more sense to put my account on hold but I had 3 legit greens and my account approved before any of this happened.

YourGiftsFree

10-07-2006 13:21:23

Hi,


Alot of people lost greens. I restored all of them. I mightve missed one like in your case. If I missed any others please contact me. We cannot block anyone from signing in. If we did you wouldn't know you were on Hold. You hacked into someones paypal account. Scamming them for referrals. You will remain on hold. Is this not fair?

kings241

10-07-2006 13:24:46

[quote5765c2f0eb="YourGiftsFree"]Hi,


Alot of people lost greens. I restored all of them. I mightve missed one like in your case. If I missed any others please contact me. We cannot block anyone from signing in. If we did you wouldn't know you were on Hold. You hacked into someones paypal account. Scamming them for referrals. You will remain on hold. Is this not fair?[/quote5765c2f0eb]

Ok but my account was approved and processed before I was ever accused of hacking into paypal. So therefore I should get credited for my greens that I had and continue with my item being proccessed.

Killer722

10-07-2006 13:26:58

You don't deserve the greens if you hack...

YourGiftsFree

10-07-2006 13:27:57

We have the right to cancel orders if we find out the user is fraudulent. You hacked a paypal account and used it to gain referrals and you should still get a gift?

kings241

10-07-2006 13:29:24

[quote692616fd03="Killer722"]You don't deserve the greens if you hack...[/quote692616fd03]

Im not a scammer. Everyone that I traded with got their green and their stuff. This is the first time I ever got into a mess and its the first time I traded using Paypal.

kings241

10-07-2006 13:31:00

[quoted0c253dddb="YourGiftsFree"]We have the right to cancel orders if we find out the user is fraudulent. You hacked a paypal account and used it to gain referrals and you should still get a gift?[/quoted0c253dddb]

But the only green that I tried to get using paypal was the one from cTOAF. The other 3 greens were legit greens that i traded with people.

YourGiftsFree

10-07-2006 13:31:55

You hacked a paypal account in order to gain referrals for my network, you will remain on hold.

kings241

10-07-2006 13:33:50

[quotedaea8e64a7="YourGiftsFree"]You hacked a paypal account in order to gain referrals for my network, you will remain on hold.[/quotedaea8e64a7]

Ok thanks for wasting all my money that was on my visa giftcard to trade with people to get those 3 legit greens. Thanks for approving my account and proccessing it then your site going offline and this happening.

YourGiftsFree

10-07-2006 13:46:42

I'm sorry you chose to cheat in order to gain referrals.

Averagejoe1039

10-07-2006 13:49:00

[quote0afa9d0627="kings241"][quote0afa9d0627="YourGiftsFree"]We have the right to cancel orders if we find out the user is fraudulent. You hacked a paypal account and used it to gain referrals and you should still get a gift?[/quote0afa9d0627]

But the only green that I tried to get using paypal was the one from cTOAF. The other 3 greens were legit greens that i traded with people.[/quote0afa9d0627]

Oh yeah? As if I wasn't a victim as well? Luckily, my friend didn't even sign up for you yet.

kings241

10-07-2006 13:53:09

[quote3582606dbd="YourGiftsFree"]I'm sorry you chose to cheat in order to gain referrals.[/quote3582606dbd]

Do you have proof that I hacked a paypal. No. Ask all three referals besides cTOAF about the trade. They were all a referal for referal trade. I did their site and they did mine. So none of the greens that I have on my account are from paypal.

kings241

10-07-2006 13:53:58

[quote9f8ce1631f="Averagejoe1039"][quote9f8ce1631f="kings241"][quote9f8ce1631f="YourGiftsFree"]We have the right to cancel orders if we find out the user is fraudulent. You hacked a paypal account and used it to gain referrals and you should still get a gift?[/quote9f8ce1631f]

But the only green that I tried to get using paypal was the one from cTOAF. The other 3 greens were legit greens that i traded with people.[/quote9f8ce1631f]

Oh yeah? As if I wasn't a victim as well? Luckily, my friend didn't even sign up for you yet.[/quote9f8ce1631f]

My last paypal payment was from me. I disputed it because you put my account on hold. Otherwise I would of left you the money.

YourGiftsFree

10-07-2006 13:57:01

Here is my proof. http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=42581&highlight=yourgiftsfree

You will remain on hold.

Besides Kings who thinks this is unfair?

fgr_admin

10-07-2006 14:09:44

[quotec82eea014c="kings241"][quotec82eea014c="YourGiftsFree"]I'm sorry you chose to cheat in order to gain referrals.[/quotec82eea014c]

Do you have proof that I hacked a paypal. No. Ask all three referals besides cTOAF about the trade. They were all a referal for referal trade. I did their site and they did mine. So none of the greens that I have on my account are from paypal.[/quotec82eea014c]


Stop crying your a crook and crooks get what they deserve

Yourgiftsfree TOS

[quotec82eea014c]V. Other Information

1. YourGiftsFree.com is allowed to place any account on hold for any reason.

2. YourGiftsFree.com is allowed to deny credit for any offer for any reason.

5. YourGiftsFree.com can put a user on hold if they "scam" another member in a any kind of trade.
[/quotec82eea014c]


So any of those 3 will be reason enough not to pay you.

Averagejoe1039

10-07-2006 14:17:26

Okay, I don't understand this. I placed your account on hold?! I didn't even sign up for you yet, when "your account at PayPal" placed a pending charge against me.

Averagejoe1039

10-07-2006 15:25:18

Oh, here's another little convo we just had

liEDITli He lives in Manteca, California liEDITli

[quote0dd4da0d9c="Kings241"][1758] sactokingz241 ok
[1758] sactokingz241 averagejoe1039?
[1758] sactokingz241 is that u
[1758] DangItsEvan Yeah
[1758] sactokingz241 i know who you are
[1759] sactokingz241 your from freeipodguide.com
[1759] DangItsEvan Yep
[1759] sactokingz241 do you know who i am?
[1800] sactokingz241 i know what your up to
[1800] sactokingz241 i know excactly what your trying to do
[1801] DangItsEvan What am I trying to do?
[1801] sactokingz241 do you know who i am?
[1802] DangItsEvan No who are you?
[1802] sactokingz241 kings241 from freeipodguide
[1802] DangItsEvan oh why did you hack into people's account
[1802] sactokingz241 i didn't
[1802] sactokingz241 i already told u
[1802] DangItsEvan But you are lying!
[1802] sactokingz241 no im not
[1803] DangItsEvan Then who is Shelly Harland?
[1803] sactokingz241 i took the payment back because you contacted yourgiftsfree and put my account on hold
[1803] DangItsEvan No I didn't
[1803] sactokingz241 yea you made a thread on me
[1803] DangItsEvan And you just changed the story
[1803] DangItsEvan It was because I didn't instant green
[1804] sactokingz241 ?
[1804] sactokingz241 what do you mean?
[1804] DangItsEvan You said you took abck the money was because I didn't instant green
[1804] sactokingz241 oh then that must of been your friend that put my account on hold
[1805] sactokingz241 cTOAF
[1805] sactokingz241 i paid him with my brother's account and my brother disputed the account
[1805] DangItsEvan But what about mine?
[1805] DangItsEvan Shelly Harland?
[1805] sactokingz241 yea thats my brother's account
[1806] sactokingz241 thats his GF's name
[1806] DangItsEvan But you sent something to me from Shelly, and you sent PayPal to ctFOAF from a Cody Wilson?
[1806] DangItsEvan So are they linked?
[1806] sactokingz241 Cody WIlson is me
[1806] DangItsEvan and Shelly had no idea about this
[1806] DangItsEvan until I contacted her
[1807] DangItsEvan But you said you paid him through his account first
[1807] DangItsEvan Just caught you in a lie
[1807] sactokingz241 yea i paid him through my brother's account
[1809] DangItsEvan Yeah so Cody Wilson is not you
[1809] sactokingz241 Cody Wilson is me, i paid him with my brother's account first
[1809] sactokingz241 the first payment came from Shelley
[1809] sactokingz241 Shelley is my brother's account
[1810] DangItsEvan Nope
[1811] DangItsEvan So why did you place a hold against TFOAF?
[1811] sactokingz241 for putting my account on hold after i paid him for the 2nd time
[1811] DangItsEvan And what does Shelley Harland do for a living?
[1812] sactokingz241 i don't have much contact with him. He lives in AU and I live in AR
[1812] DangItsEvan oh
[1812] DangItsEvan Where in AR?
[1812] DangItsEvan That's a nice state
[1812] DangItsEvan So many places to live
[1812] sactokingz241 arkansas
[1812] DangItsEvan ok
[1813] DangItsEvan I don't understand this though
[1813] sactokingz241 what is there to not understand?
[1814] DangItsEvan You said you placed my funds on hold
[1814] DangItsEvan because I didn't instant green
[1814] sactokingz241 no no your misunderstanding
[1814] DangItsEvan That's what you said
[1814] DangItsEvan In our last conversation
[1814] sactokingz241 the payment that was on hold was from Shelley right
[1814] DangItsEvan Yeah
[1815] sactokingz241 thats my brother's account, I used it without his permission
[1815] sactokingz241 so he put both payments on hold
[1815] DangItsEvan oh but you said that you did it because I didn't instant
[1816] sactokingz241 thats cause I was mad for you not going instantly green so i said that so you would do it and i would pay you again like i did for cTOAF
[1816] DangItsEvan sactokingz241
828

i disputed because i said it has to be an instant green

Dangitsevan
829

Thanks
[1816] DangItsEvan I'm not understanding this
[1816] DangItsEvan You make no sense
[1817] DangItsEvan But your bro disputed it you said in the thread
[1817] sactokingz241 yea i just said that i disputed it because i didn't like the fact that you were going to green for me the next day
[1817] sactokingz241 but really my brother disputed that
[1817] DangItsEvan You don't lie very well
[1818] sactokingz241 ... im not lieing right now
[1818] DangItsEvan You don't live in Arkansas
[1818] DangItsEvan You live in Manteca, California
[1818] sactokingz241 no i don't
[1818] DangItsEvan You don't?
[1818] sactokingz241 nope im on vacation
[1818] DangItsEvan Oh you are
[1818] sactokingz241 yea
[1819] DangItsEvan Vacationing in Manteca?
[1819] sactokingz241 ya this is where my grandma lives
[1819] DangItsEvan Oh
[1819] sactokingz241 my family is visiting her because she's kind of sick
[1819] DangItsEvan Oh well I hope she gets to feeling better
[1819] sactokingz241 thanks
[1827] DangItsEvan I want the money you promised me placed off of a hold
[1827] sactokingz241 i can't do that. Thats my brother's account
[1827] DangItsEvan Well, I'm sorry
[1828] sactokingz241 he chose to cancell the payment
[1828] DangItsEvan You either do it, or TFOAF is taking you to the FBI
[1828] sactokingz241 for?
[1828] DangItsEvan Identity Theft
[1828] sactokingz241 i didn't do any identity theft
[1828] DangItsEvan and a lot of other accounts
[1828] DangItsEvan He has them in the thread
[1828] DangItsEvan Pay a visit to it!
[1828] DangItsEvan Thanks!
[1828] DangItsEvan )
[1829] sactokingz241 you don't even know where i live
[1829] sactokingz241 all you know is i live in manteca
[1829] sactokingz241 don't know my name
[1829] sactokingz241 dont know anything about me
[1829] DangItsEvan Cody Wilson?
[1829] sactokingz241 so im underage
[1829] sactokingz241 thats not the name of this household
[1829] DangItsEvan I don't care
[1829] DangItsEvan The FBI can track you down by your IP
[1830] DangItsEvan And we have it!
[1830] sactokingz241 im going back to AR soon so have a nice day[/quote0dd4da0d9c]

YourGiftsFree

10-07-2006 15:41:39

His name is no where near cody wilson. Another lie another hacked account (. He does live in CA but not manteca.

TFOAF

10-07-2006 16:13:49

Yea. I've been shown proof that he lives in California. I know the exact town too. IP addresses do come in handy. I will be contacting PayPal about this. And I should receive my $55 back from PayPal since they cover the cost if it was fraudulent. ;)

Right?

Daggoth

10-07-2006 16:33:00

YourGifts4Free shouldn't be allowed to do this. You cannot use 3rd party forums to place someone on hold. How he obtained refferals is NONE of YG4F business. I don't like the fact that YG4F can put someone on hold by just looking at a post and believing it automatically. IMHO YG4F is being greedy and just wants to make some extra cash.

YourGiftsFree

10-07-2006 17:08:37

They hacked someones paypal account in order to gain referrals for my site. That is fraudulent. If thy can do that no problem then he could scam and fraud no problem. Im stopping him for fraudulent activity. I asked a respected moderator/admin if it was the right thing to do and they said it was.

They fraudulently gained referrals for my sites.

Averagejoe1039

10-07-2006 17:10:08

I think it is the right thing to do.

dmorris68

10-07-2006 17:11:03

And I agree 100% -- fraud is fraud. Crooks are crooks. If there is proof they are frauding offers and sites, IMO they should be DQ'd from lieveryli free site. I don't care where the information comes from, as long as it's legit.

theman2005

10-07-2006 17:13:26

[quotecb6ef59944="Daggoth"]YourGifts4Free shouldn't be allowed to do this. You cannot use 3rd party forums to place someone on hold. How he obtained refferals is NONE of YG4F business. I don't like the fact that YG4F can put someone on hold by just looking at a post and believing it automatically. IMHO YG4F is being greedy and just wants to make some extra cash.[/quotecb6ef59944]

[quotecb6ef59944="YourGiftsFree"]They hacked someones paypal account in order to gain referrals for my site. That is fraudulent. If thy can do that no problem then he could scam and fraud no problem. Im stopping him for fraudulent activity. I asked a respected moderator/admin if it was the right thing to do and they said it was.[/quotecb6ef59944]

Both of you are correct, therefore, the right thing to do is that YGF inform the advertisers that the offers were done with fraud and YGF MUST reject this money made with this offer. If YGF still takes the money that was earned through a member he found out frauded, then YGF would be "scamming" as well (in other words, wouldn't be any different). The honest way is to not take the money that member earned, but we know owners will not be that honest to return the money to the advertisers wink

Conclusion kings has NO right to receive the gift/payment nor does YGF

Its one thing that a member doesn't finish the site to fulfill their referrals then owners making profit from that wink

YourGiftsFree

10-07-2006 17:15:40

If anybody frauded offers the advertisers would definatley be contacted.

jaws

10-07-2006 17:25:50

I don't think that a post on a website should automatically place a person on hold unless it is proven beyond any doubt that he scammed. In this case I believe that is the case and YGF is doing the right thing. I have seen times when people were put on hold that I didn't agree with, but this definitly isn't one of them. I just want to know why he hasn'tbeen banned.

If YGF condones this behavior then he opens the door for everybody to do it. If he does that than it can be argued that he knowingly allowed these individuals to scam for his own monetary benefit, thus he would become partially responsible for their activity. An example would be a gas station employee creating a pattern of openly selling alcohol to minors. The owners are warned and do nothing because it is profitable. Then one day a minor (god forbid) gets in a bad accident as a result of being drunk. The station owner and employee are partially responsible. A lot of times the minor is let off because the "attractive nuisance" (if you have beer many teenagers will flock to you) was created by the owner/employee. JMHO

damac

10-07-2006 17:28:52

fuck it, fuck the scammers, hold this bitch and any others that fuck others over period.

now you guys tag team and bring dudelovesfinch to justice please, he owes me a g, and i never got a penny from half.com coupons, lol.

kings241

10-07-2006 17:31:11

[quote859797d386="YourGiftsFree"]If anybody frauded offers the advertisers would definatley be contacted.[/quote859797d386]

No one has frauded the offers. I don't want you to receive any credit for the legit referals that I got by trading with people.

ChaSongjo

10-07-2006 17:41:38

[quote0c4508d55b] Both of you are correct, therefore, the right thing to do is that YGF inform the advertisers that the offers were done with fraud and YGF MUST reject this money made with this offer. If YGF still takes the money that was earned through a member he found out frauded, then YGF would be "scamming" as well (in other words, wouldn't be any different). The honest way is to not take the money that member earned, but we know owners will not be that honest to return the money to the advertisers wink

Conclusion kings has NO right to receive the gift/payment nor does YGF

Its one thing that a member doesn't finish the site to fulfill their referrals then owners making profit from that wink[/quote0c4508d55b]

The offers weren't fraudulent, the trader is.

Daggoth Any kind of crime, whether reported directly or indirectly, should be punished by the authorities. In this case, YourGiftsFree is definitely the authority.

Also, for those who take pity on kings241 for his efforts, [b0c4508d55b]that's life[/b0c4508d55b]. On a test, it doesn't matter if a person completes 167 problems by himself. If the person gets caught cheating on the 168 problem, he will recieve a zero despite his hard work up until 168.

YourGiftsFree

10-07-2006 18:00:39

Thanks for the support guys.

Daggoth if someone scammed you, lied to you, and wont give a refund would you think they should be on hold for scamming and fraudulently gaining referrals.

theysayjump

10-07-2006 18:28:07

If YGF saw this thread and still decided to payout to kings241, wouldn't that imply that YGF condones this type of behaviour?

Instead, he stopped kings241 from scamming anyone else by placing his accounts on hold. Who's to say that kings' has only hacked one Paypal account? He was caught this time which is how we know about it, but if he got away with it and used hacked Paypal accounts to scam people on here and get gifts from sites, then the people who think YGF is int he wrong would all be thinking differently.

It also doesn't make a difference how long you were processing or approved prior to being placed on hold. That doesn't give you any guarantee. Evidently, new information came to light and it was acted upon.

Personally I think the fact that site owners are also actively helping to cut down on scammers is a good thing.

Also, jaws; I may have read your post wrongly but it seemed as if you were under the impression that YGF could ban kings241 or was allowing him to stay here. If so, then that's not the case. He is a site owner and has no Moderator powers on this forum. Kings241 will be banned.

I see no need for this thread to remain open but I will for a short while.

jaws

10-07-2006 19:02:02

You misread me. YGF did his part and most likely saved some others the hassle of being taken. I was just suprised the mods/admins here hadn't nailed him yet because this occured on Sat.

Kings probably would have taken me too. I don't think he liked my questions though, because he stopped responding. If I almost became a part of this how many more were in his sights.

theysayjump

10-07-2006 19:04:10

I haven't banned him yet just because he no longer poses a threat. Well, didn't pose a threat since he's now banned.

TFOAF

10-07-2006 19:07:09

PayPal pays the fee if it was fraud, right?

So I'll get my 55 dollars back?

theysayjump

10-07-2006 19:14:51

[quotebfeb6a14b4="TFOAF"]PayPal pays the fee if it was fraud, right?

So I'll get my 55 dollars back?[/quotebfeb6a14b4]

I'm not sure, sorry. shrug

Give them a call.

dmorris68

10-07-2006 19:37:16

[quote471df20a47="TFOAF"]PayPal pays the fee if it was fraud, right?

So I'll get my 55 dollars back?[/quote471df20a47]
Sorry to break it to, but highly unlikely. PayPal doesn't refund disputed charges for non-tangible goods. The rare case where I've heard of it happening, the claimant was deceitful in claiming that it was for goods, rather than referrals.

I tried filing a dispute against a scammer awhile back, knowing that it wouldn't work, but figured what the heck. The reply was as expected

[quote471df20a47="PayPal"]Our investigation into your claim is complete. As stated in our User Agreement, the claims process only applies to the shipment of goods. It does not apply to complaints about the attributes or quality of goods received. Therefore, we are unable to reverse this transaction or issue a refund. [/quote471df20a47]
However, it's still a good idea to dispute it anyway. I suspect that it is noted in the scammer's PayPal record that somebody disputed a charge against them. If he/she scams enough people, and gets enough disputes, PayPal will be forced to conclude the person is fraudulent, and will hopefully terminate their account (and with any luck, freeze their funds). Even if we get nothing back, at least they don't continue to get away with it. So I'd dispute it anyway, I just don't recommend you lie about it being for tangible goods like some people do.

TFOAF

10-07-2006 19:39:04

See...I was wondering...because he had hacked people's PayPal accounts.

dmorris68

10-07-2006 19:43:58

Like I said, give it a shot. But unless it was YOUR account that was hacked, they're not going to see you as a victim. When you enter into a non-tangible transaction, you assume the risk, according to their TOS.

theysayjump

10-07-2006 20:29:39

We're done here right?

This thread was pointless from get-go.