whatisntseen is a scammer?
Supacold
04-04-2006 08:54:36
We setup a trade for YFF.com and Giftfiesta.nano about a month ago for $50 and he never greened for me. he gave me several excuses and reassured me that he will complete another offer that will be faster. After that last responds he never came back on. i just filed a dispute on paypal, but his account is unverified...
CougarKid
04-04-2006 09:45:23
Um I greened for him and he hasn't even signed up for me.
zulu342
04-04-2006 20:44:47
I have two trades with him ... he hasn't gone green but was in pretty good contact. The trades date back to March 10th
GiftMonsterKyle
05-04-2006 15:26:44
I paid him $35 to do my lcds.free4me about a month ago and he still isn't green. Now I have completely lost contact with him. He's also r/l friends with the notorious scammer Exile.
Supacold
05-04-2006 18:30:59
[quote889abe36d3="flip"]I paid him $35 to do my lcds.free4me about a month ago and he still isn't green. Now I have completely lost contact with him. He's also r/l friends with the notorious scammer Exile.[/quote889abe36d3]
omg if i knew that they were friends i wouldn't have traded with him..
those two bastards robbed me of $100
GiftMonsterKyle
05-04-2006 19:05:10
Yeah after I paid whatisntseen $35 to do my LCDs he had Exile IM me to setup a trade. Ended up losing $70 on the two of them.
JennyWren
05-04-2006 19:40:04
I am also in a trade with him, but he has a good TR so I'm not going to leap to any rash conclusions. I will give him a chance to follow through on his end (I am yellow on his site and just waiting for credit)
melmarie80
06-04-2006 07:10:49
Right now he owes me two site hotstuff.free4me and anygift4seven. I paid $20 for each. I have been pm'ing him back and forth each time with a response but this last time when I asked him to do another offer...no pm back.
Melissa
TeeRatt
06-04-2006 10:58:50
Same here. I paid him $20 to day PSPs on Freepay. There was good communication but all of a sudden it stopped. The PM hasnt been read so hopefully he is on vacation or something.
wishwell85
06-04-2006 11:12:11
I paid him $45 for Orderit4free and Ordermore4free, NO RESPONSE AFTER PAYMENT AND MULTIPLE PMS
I filed a paypal Claim
JennyWren
06-04-2006 12:34:59
I think I have found him on AIM (whatisntseen or demoniendin) via googling him. I've added him but he is currently idle....hoping he comes online.
synix
06-04-2006 13:10:15
hmm..he's yellow for me..only been a week though so I'm in no position to accuse him of anything yet..seemed like a nice guy though when I talked to him in PMs lishrugsli
CougarKid
06-04-2006 13:55:57
Hasn't answered my PM's. He's a scamster. Ban his alili.
JennyWren
06-04-2006 14:33:45
well, he's on AIM but not responding....
zulu342
06-04-2006 15:58:00
Yeah, no response from him via PM. Not looking good. He told me he'd do another offer last Monday but still yellow on both FlashIpods and MacMini.
mikeman565
06-04-2006 16:22:48
WOw, I hate FIPG now.. Two out of three i have been scammed so far, both with TR over 25. This is bull shit. I payed him 33 to do LCDs.free4me (The same site Flip was supposed to have done) and now im s.o.l. Has not answered any of my PMs, but currently still logs into this forum . Any way to get my money back?
JennyWren
06-04-2006 16:28:45
How do you check to see a member's online activity (like whether they have been on FIPG and they are just ignoring our PMs?)
mikeman565
06-04-2006 16:31:10
On the bottom of the main forum page it says whose online, and it also says everyone that logged on today i believe, and ive seen him on today, yesterday, this whole week. Opened a paypal dispute, maybe something will happen.
zulu342
06-04-2006 17:17:16
Did you pay him via credit card through Paypal? If so, just call your credit card company and do a chargeback. PayPal is useless in getting your money back. They'll more worried about covering themselves and getting the fees.
zulu342
06-04-2006 17:18:16
And where are the moderators? It seems like he's involved with a lot of people.
CougarKid
06-04-2006 18:16:36
Opened a support ticket on the site I did an offer for him, hopefully they respond and yank credit from hi. Fag scammer.
zulu342
06-04-2006 18:47:48
He's online now but not responding. Classic.
9mmbullitt
06-04-2006 20:16:06
Great, didn't want to hear this. Paid him $25 to do Trainn's desktoppc. He said he did the "$25 gift card thing" Problem is I don't see any $25 gift card offer. Still no green.
45udogg
06-04-2006 23:34:45
I paypal'd him $25 on 4/2 for a green on PSPs, he hasn't signed up for my PSP site, and I haven't gotten any pm responses either.
mikeman565
07-04-2006 04:17:32
where the hell are the mods/admins. This asshole should be banned immediately, He is obviously scamming all of us and has taken about 150 dollars from us. Why is there nothing being done?
GiftMonsterKyle
07-04-2006 19:31:44
Funny he recently changed his profile location from FL to Missouri to disassociate himself with Exile.
JennyWren
07-04-2006 22:30:57
Then I definitely have him on AIM. He's ignoring me. I've told him I am contacting his site tomorrow. I never did the offer, but I want him put on HOLD for his SCAMMING.
Darnit I needed his ref, it was the last one on my nanos site. Blistard.
missdee212
07-04-2006 23:21:10
yep I paid him $25 to do my last ipod nan ref, i had to nag him to even just sign up. So, I told the guy to just give me my cash back he didn't reply back so(but he read it) So i just put in a claim with paypal to get my cash back. Yep he's a scammer. i've had 3 scammers from this site and i'm sick of them.
zulu342
07-04-2006 23:35:45
I paid using a credit card through Paypal -- if you did too, just call up your credit card company and tell them to put a chargeback on that amount -- it's not a problem.
PayPal tends to be more motivated to pursue people when it's their money on the line.
Hello mods?? Let's get this asshole out of here already.
theysayjump
08-04-2006 09:25:30
Sorry guys.
He was last on the forum on Wednesday April 5th. I've PM'ed him and threatened him with his TR being dropped to -1, being banned from here and all of his accounts on the major and minor networks being placed on hold and reported for scamming.
I've told him to reply to me and this thread so I guess we now just have to wait and see if he reads it not.
JennyWren
08-04-2006 14:51:50
Should I go ahead an inform the site I did for him of his scam-atory behaviour? I signed up (but luckily didn't green yet) for his gear.free4me.net. Or do you have a way to contact all his sites? I can PM you his ref link if needed.
Thanks for looking in to this. This is why I don't pay people for sites!
wishwell85
08-04-2006 15:09:35
[quote5dfb57b41f="zulu342"]I paid using a credit card through Paypal -- if you did too, just call up your credit card company and tell them to put a chargeback on that amount -- it's not a problem.
PayPal tends to be more motivated to pursue people when it's their money on the line.
Hello mods?? Let's get this asshole out of here already.[/quote5dfb57b41f]
Are we really allowed to do this?
t.money
08-04-2006 19:02:31
No, paypal requires a full affadavit to be filed before they'll chargeback, but in my experience it is very successful. Paypal has alot of pull with the banks.
edit - I misunderstood. Yes, but if you chargeback with your credit card through paypal they may shut your account down (paypal)
missdee212
08-04-2006 20:09:38
I just filed a claim it takes ten days and paypal will give you your money if they make no attempt to answer.
wishwell85
08-04-2006 21:47:18
Paypal, will attempt to Recover your funds, They will not Refund your money!
Step 6 - Recover funds from seller
The buyer's claim has been granted but the seller did not have sufficient funds in his PayPal account to cover the refund. PayPal is working with the seller to recover funds on the buyer's behalf.
zulu342
08-04-2006 22:10:16
Ha! ... don't fall for PayPal's bullshit.
They will refund your money ONLY IF the scammer was dumb enough to not have withdraw the money from his PayPal balance.
If there is no money in the PayPal balance, they will not get it from the users bank account.
JennyWren
09-04-2006 14:41:02
he was online today, but didn't check my pms
amishjs
10-04-2006 10:40:34
Also scammed by the both of them
theysayjump
10-04-2006 12:07:45
Ok, well he read my PM from two days ago but has yet to reply in this thread. Therefore he will promptly be banned, reported as being a scammer and have his TR dropped to -1.
If you paid him for greens then file a Paypal complaint immediately. If you went green for him then contact the site you did for him and ask for your green to be removed from it (unless it's Freepay as they won't do this).
Also, if you did any sites for him, report his links as being a scammer and give a link to this thread.
JennyWren
10-04-2006 21:21:47
Roger that, he has also read my PM from the 6th of April and not responded. I've contacted his site that I did for him and sent them a link to this thread. I don't understand how someone can earn a 30TR then suddenly start scamming us all. Don't people get it that it's not worth scamming? You lose all power to get refs by trading. Maybe he was replaced by his evil twin.
45udogg
10-04-2006 21:35:01
[quote8e1ec7d20e="JennyWren"]Roger that, he has also read my PM from the 6th of April and not responded. I've contacted his site that I did for him and sent them a link to this thread. I don't understand how someone can earn a 30TR then suddenly start scamming us all. Don't people get it that it's not worth scamming? [b8e1ec7d20e]You lose all power to get refs by trading.[/b8e1ec7d20e] Maybe he was replaced by his evil twin.[/quote8e1ec7d20e]
He probably isn't worried about it, when you scam several people you know what the outcome will be, so he didn't scam until he was done with freebies.
I think when dishonest people like him are about to retire from the freebie scene they figure they can do a bunch of refs for cash and then run with the money without greening... if someone has such low integrity to scam their online freebie friends, they'll get what's coming to them.
Amc5kidz
10-04-2006 22:46:57
I paid him to do FlashIpods4Free for $25. He's had well over a month. Second scam for the last ref I need. (
9mmbullitt
11-04-2006 21:31:01
Well, he just went green for me. So, I guess he might still be trying to finish his deals. Now xztiger is still on my $hit list!
synix
12-04-2006 00:13:37
email==live.demons@gmail.comlive.demons@gmail.com=live.demons@gmail.comlive.demons@gmail.com/email On Hold
fuck =/
seeing how people with higher TRs can still scam..I suggest having a limit on how many trades you have going at one time...should prevent mass scams like this S
45udogg
12-04-2006 00:33:03
[quote057658bbc5="theysayjump"]Ok, well he read my PM from two days ago but has yet to reply in this thread. Therefore he will promptly be banned, reported as being a scammer and have his TR dropped to -1.
If you paid him for greens then file a Paypal complaint immediately. If you went green for him then contact the site you did for him and ask for your green to be removed from it (unless it's Freepay as they won't do this).
Also, if you did any sites for him, report his links as being a scammer and give a link to this thread.[/quote057658bbc5]
that's good, but it's not enough. I think we should go toilet paper his house or destroy his mom's flower garden or something. You mess with us, you get messed with.
JennyWren
14-04-2006 09:56:40
Is something going to be done about this soon? Because he is still logging on (ie today) and still has a TR of 30.
murdoc
14-04-2006 11:14:40
I paid him to do $25 for premiumipods.freepay and $25 for laptops.freepay.. He didn't sign up for the site for 10 days. It's been a month now and he hasn't gone green (
murdoc
14-04-2006 11:32:51
looks like he pulled his profile photo and his link off... http//whatisntseen.deviantart.com/ email==demoniendin@comcast.netdemoniendin@comcast.net=demoniendin@comcast.netdemoniendin@comcast.net/email
this is looking like it was planned.. evil
JennyWren
14-04-2006 14:21:45
I tried getting a hold of him from that AIM but he just blocked me right away. Definitely planned, he just wanted free refs.
wishwell85
16-04-2006 11:30:31
After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.
We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds
from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.
Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in
question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and
will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include
issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take
action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.
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Details of Disputed Transaction
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Transaction Date Apr 3, 2006
Transaction Amount -$45.00 USD
Seller's Name Andrew Seraphin
Seller's email= email=live.demons@gmail.comlive.demons@gmail.com email=live.demons@gmail.comlive.demons@gmail.com/email
murdoc
16-04-2006 13:52:05
ouch.
Supacold
16-04-2006 14:30:21
i got the same result for my claim on this guy and exile... bastard screwed me over $100 cause paypal is useless
theysayjump
16-04-2006 15:14:40
He's banned.
File Paypal complaints whether you'll get your money back or not, also make sure to report him to the site that either he did for you or that you did for him.
The less the little fuck gets the better.
d3athtonic
16-04-2006 16:35:21
Anyone has his profile pic? We can make it a dart board.
mikeman565
16-04-2006 16:54:27
yeah, i got same message..damnit
zulu342
16-04-2006 18:57:23
PayPal security is a JOKE.
I filled a chargeback with my credit card company.
After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below.
We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.
Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.
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Details of Disputed Transaction
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Transaction Date Mar 11, 2006
Transaction Amount -$23.00 USD
Your Transaction ID 6PF84480UC9017341
Seller's Transaction ID 2CC2579077822610A Case Number PP-156-634-914 Seller's Name Andrew Seraphin Seller's email= email=live.demons@gmail.comlive.demons@gmail.com email=live.demons@gmail.comlive.demons@gmail.com/email
thewanda
16-04-2006 19:16:04
did 2 offers for him in return for one.. (yes yes i was new & desparate)..
guess nothing's gonna happen ever again?
RIP all of us..
missdee212
19-04-2006 10:24:43
did the charge back work for anyone
theysayjump
19-04-2006 11:00:48
On a side note, Happy Birthday whatisntseen!.
JennyWren
19-04-2006 12:31:30
LOL, as a birthday present I posted all his information on my blog and told everyone exactly what he did. Hopefully he will get some spam in his email.
If you are going to be an alilihole on the internet, it's best to use a different name at all your favorite sites.
CougarKid
19-04-2006 15:34:56
His account was put on hold for the site I did for him.
zulu342
20-04-2006 11:17:51
I got credit from my credit card company for the money I paid him since PayPal's not going to do anything.
Now the more interesting thing is after I threatened him about chargebacks and collection agencies, he actually did go green on me. However, given how he scammed all these other people and will get his accounts on hold, I don't think these greens will pass the approval process ... we'll see.
KeithA
20-04-2006 11:22:56
[quoteffa471468c="zulu342"]I got credit from my credit card company for the money I paid him since PayPal's not going to do anything.[/quoteffa471468c]
Can you share a bit more detail about this process?
doylnea
20-04-2006 11:50:02
[quote1b9188e07d="http//demoniendin.livejournal.com/"]JOANNE!? ARE YOU THERE!?!? [16 Apr 2006|0147am]
asdkfa;slkdjflaskdfj
hola people, im back, but not really... life is good, yup, good. no great.. im doing quite well, have a car, drive everywhere and anywhere, a nice tv, compy, animals, stuff, people, i dunno..... whats up with you ho's?
||Been Stabbed 14 Times In The Back Stab Me||
[12 Jan 2006|1007pm]
( pictures? )
||Been Stabbed 3 Times In The Back Stab Me||
[02 Jan 2006|0939pm]
So when I last left you people I believe it was about two weeks ago.. Yasmin is somewhat FORCING me to update right now, not that I have much to update about. Break is over and school starts tomorrow. I wrote my script for Film, its not bad, pretty good for something I did in 20 minutes.
My christmas was decent too, nothing special, no gift exchange or anything. It's fine with me though, I enjoyed it just as much. How were all of your Christmases? What about your New Years?? Mine was good too, spent the night talking with Vic, thats about it though. MY sister was out of town since Thursday and wasnt here so we couldnt hang out and party or anything. She got back today but I only saw her for 5 minutes after we(my mom and pa and I) got back from seeing Kong at aventura before she hit the sack and hasnt woken up since.
I'm using this new Semagic 1.5 thing fto update my LJ, its a hell of a lot nicer than Lochjournal was, not to mention Lochjournal hasnt been updated in over a year.. wow, its 2006, isnt it?? hmmmm oh well....
Oh, I DEMAND you all go to my deviant art... the url is... http//whatisntseen.deviantart.com
Yah, I think thats all for now really... please comment and more particularly critique my 'featured deviation' if you go.. and also, may you all have a good year, its only just begun so make the best of it.. I know I'll try.. for the first half atleast.
Too all my lovers out there PEACE || REW
||Been Stabbed 13 Times In The Back Stab Me|| [/quote1b9188e07d]
Also Andrew appears to use "demoniendin" on some sites and forums. AIM SN is whatisntseen
Here's his ebay profile
http//feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=demoniendin
heh
http//www.teenspot.com/boards/showthread.html?t=233051
heh again
http//smg.photobucket.com/albums/v476/demoniendin/
theysayjump
20-04-2006 12:40:53
Nice find doylnea. Incase he sees this and passwrod protects his PB account
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Buster389
22-04-2006 08:37:11
does anybody have his e-mail address that he will accually respond to??
JennyWren
22-04-2006 09:06:08
hah no, he's not going to respond to anyone about this.
Good picture find theysayjump, I'm going to put that on my blog. Laughing at that hairdo brings me joy, and almost makes up for the fact that he scammed me.
Oh wait, I just got notice that all his accounts at free4me are now banned.
LOLLOLLOLLOL ahh...that made my day.
zulu342
22-04-2006 09:29:17
Regarding credit card chargebacks .... I called my credit card company (citi cards) and told them what happened. Most credit card companies have the policy of protecting you against fraud. By no means is it that simple. I will need to show them proof that I actually made the purchase -- in this case a PayPal receipt. The credit card company, probably through some collection agency, contacts the seller/merchant and asks for proof that they delivered the goods. It goes back and forth for a bit but ultimately, your card company is on your side. Can't say the same for PayPal.
vankeldon
22-04-2006 10:09:34
Any possible way i can get a list of the ip's that he posted from? That would come in handy in my search for him.
45udogg
23-04-2006 01:10:09
zulu342
23-04-2006 01:26:51
I am going to email the eBay sellers he's been in contact with and maybe we can get a phone number or address from that.
His greens on me went red.
eric89074
23-04-2006 01:37:37
[quote45b7794725="zulu342"]Regarding credit card chargebacks .... I called my credit card company (citi cards) and told them what happened. Most credit card companies have the policy of protecting you against fraud. By no means is it that simple. I will need to show them proof that I actually made the purchase -- in this case a PayPal receipt. The credit card company, probably through some collection agency, contacts the seller/merchant and asks for proof that they delivered the goods. It goes back and forth for a bit but ultimately, your card company is on your side. Can't say the same for PayPal.[/quote45b7794725]Unfortunately, even if you get your money back from the CC company, paypal isn't going to just take the loss. They'll probably give you a negative balance for the amount that was charged back and if you don't pay it may even send it to a collection agency.
45udogg
23-04-2006 01:58:21
[quote9400d8b623="eric89074"]Unfortunately, even if you get your money back from the CC company, paypal isn't going to just take the loss. They'll probably give you a negative balance for the amount that was charged back and if you don't pay it may even send it to a collection agency.[/quote9400d8b623]
why wouldn't they just give him the negative balance?? If they were gonna go to all the trouble of sending someone to a collection agency, they might as well send the person who ripped everyone off, right?
Supacold
23-04-2006 07:42:38
could someone pm me his info..?
vankeldon
23-04-2006 08:29:23
I have managed to find the school he goes to. I am trying to find his home address. I think I might be able to get it in a few more days.
His school is...
St. Thomas Aquinas (it was in some pics he had posted)
2801 SW 12th Street
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33312
I will post more info as I get it. I am trying to get the mods to give me a list of the ip's he used to post from. I should be able to get his home address from that.
zulu342
23-04-2006 09:54:23
I contacted the Ebay sellers and they were more than willing to provide his home address.
PM ME OR ANY OF THE REGULAR POSTERS HERE FOR HIS ADDRESS
How old is this kid? His profile here says 23 but to sign up for Teen Spot (which I did heh) you have to less than that.
What's the best course of action?
45udogg
23-04-2006 10:43:11
[quoted37083fea8="zulu342"]
What's the best course of action?[/quoted37083fea8]
lets sneak into his house at night and cut off his goofy hair
zulu342
23-04-2006 10:57:05
Wouldn't that be doing him a favor?
45udogg
23-04-2006 11:42:57
haha, that's true. I really don't know what course of action we could take, then.
Supacold
23-04-2006 11:46:08
does anyone know his ip
zulu342
23-04-2006 12:51:18
Write to his parents
Write to his school (I'm sure that sort of behavior is not taken lightly)
JennyWren
23-04-2006 18:23:53
I say we write to his parents. His school doesn't really have anything to do with this unless he was doing the trades from school computers or something, I don't think we'd get anything out of contacting them.
Supacold
23-04-2006 19:57:41
i say if he doesn't return the money we spam his info all over the web to fcuk him over
45udogg
23-04-2006 22:23:32
i think i want to write a letter to his parents.
zulu342
24-04-2006 08:21:50
IF YOU WANT HIS ADDRESS .... PM ME.
Please also tell me how much money (or monetary value) he stole from you.
chungky
24-04-2006 09:27:34
Add me to the list. Paid him $26 on March 9. Have yet to hear from him....
[quoted0fd8210ef="zulu342"]IF YOU WANT HIS ADDRESS .... PM ME.
Please also tell me how much money (or monetary value) he stole from you.[/quoted0fd8210ef]
zulu342
24-04-2006 22:32:41
Okay, so I did the tally. This is TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS.
Grand total is AT LEAST [bbb0fb006d7]$634[/bbb0fb006d7]
Guess what Andrew (who's lucky some MOD is looking out for you), You want to read this paragraph
"LARCENY—generally, the unlawful taking of the personal property of another without his consent and with intent to deprive him of the ownership or use thereof. This offense is defined by statute in practically all states and provinces and these statutory definitions differ somewhat. Generally, the theft is accomplished by stealth, and degree of turpitude is measured by the value of the personal property stolen—e.g., theft of less than $300 equals petit larceny, and [bbb0fb006d7]$300 or more equals grand larceny in Florida.[/bbb0fb006d7] "
See if you would have stolen less than $300, the police may not have cared as much. You jumped the bracket so you're going down.
[bbb0fb006d7]To everyone who got scammed by him, send me a PM. I will need your PayPal receipts to initiate the claim against Andrew Seraphin. [/bbb0fb006d7]
We may not get our money back, legal fees will probably take most of the settlement, but we're going to teach this one Andrew Seraphin and other potential scammers on this board a lesson they shall not soon forget.
These are the people Andrew Seraphin (alias whatisntseen) took advantage of
Supacold -$50
COUGARKID - $25li
zulu342 - $25
JennyWren - $25li
FLIP - $35
MELMARIE80 - $40
TEERATT - $20
WISHWELL85 - $45
mikeman565 - $33
9mmbullitt - $25
45udogg - $25
missdee212 - $25
amishjs - $30
Amc5kidz - $25
synic - $25
murdoc - $50
thewanda - $25
Buster389 - $25
vankeldon - $35
chungky - $26
winkie - $20
li Indicates monetary value
(If I missed you, please kindly remind me)
Have a good one![ibb0fb006d7][/ibb0fb006d7]
CougarKid
25-04-2006 01:54:37
Well it was actually a trade for free360games.com. Not the $25 someone posted. Still scammed though since I went green. Hope you guys can bring him to justice.
JennyWren
25-04-2006 07:40:33
Hey zulu I just PMed you bc I never paid him or greened on his site (saw this thread in the nick of time) so I shouldn't be on that list, except as a supporter of this cause!
zulu342
25-04-2006 08:38:58
[quoted6b76c8f67="CougarKid"]Well it was actually a trade for free360games.com. Not the $25 someone posted. Still scammed though since I went green. Hope you guys can bring him to justice.[/quoted6b76c8f67]
It doesn't have to be money you paid him. If you went green on him and he didn't on you, he owes you a green which has the monetary value of $25.
nytrate
25-04-2006 09:07:50
going through the legal system won't be very effective
we need someone local to show up and to set the record straight in person. Perhaps 2 adults in suits posing as investigators from like Paypal or a credit card company
Make it look real official, let him know of plans of police involvement... then take everything he has. TV's, video game systems, cash, computer, anything of value.
Yea...if only I lived in Florida
KeithA
25-04-2006 09:20:19
[quote0934481585="nytrate"]going through the legal system won't be very effective
we need someone local to show up and to set the record straight in person. Perhaps 2 adults in suits posing as investigators from like Paypal or a credit card company
Make it look real official, let him know of plans of police involvement... then take everything he has. TV's, video game systems, cash, computer, anything of value.
Yea...if only I lived in Florida[/quote0934481585]
This is why his address was edited out of an earlier post.
You guys are welcome to seek justice via the appropriate channels. The mods are happy to help. But don't do anything stupid.
zulu342
25-04-2006 09:34:43
Heh yeah ... don't do anything stupid. Don't commit another crime while trying to resolve one.
While there isn't anything as satisfying (and a quick fix) as breaking down his door, it's better going through the right channels and doing it the legal and proper way.
By the way, Andrew or whatisntseen is reading this thread.
vankeldon
25-04-2006 09:36:03
He deleted his live journal account but I managed to get a lot of info from it before he deleted it. I have cell phone numbers to some of his friends. I also have most of his girlfriends (Meg) personal info. I also have one of his parents names ( I think). It was the name on a credit card billing address he used to buy something.
KeithA
25-04-2006 09:39:51
[quote27585e75d6="zulu342"]By the way, Andrew or whatisntseen is reading this thread.[/quote27585e75d6]
How do you know this?
doylnea
25-04-2006 09:59:46
[quote6cdfb39f9d="zulu342"]Heh yeah ... don't do anything stupid. Don't commit another crime while trying to resolve one.
While there isn't anything as satisfying (and a quick fix) as breaking down his door, it's better going through the right channels and doing it the legal and proper way.
By the way, Andrew or whatisntseen is reading this thread.[/quote6cdfb39f9d]
It's really poor form to edit a post that a moderator has already edited to remove the moderator's comment.
TeeRatt
25-04-2006 12:40:09
You guys should start an investigations division, could cut down on the scamming
vankeldon
25-04-2006 20:03:32
That would be a good idea, having a fraud investigation team. I have enjoyed tracking down all the info on this guy. It is suprisingly easy.
vankeldon
25-04-2006 20:10:37
Sorry for the double post but i just got this email from whatisntseen...
i dont know if it was posted on the forum or not like i asked it to be, but i cant return the money, i am lining people up to have everyones sites done (wheter they were the original site or not). the story is that i never intended on scamming. i got back tracked and the friends that i thought were going to do sites and said they were didnt come through for me.. in turn, time rolled by and people got mad. i used the paypal to pay people back for other sites. The legit trades that were real were put on hold because you guys reported them all. and yes, there were legitly done networks, not just sites, but networks. I cant remember which off the top of my head though. Point is, it wasnt intentional and you can post this on the board since I havve no clue if zulu did it like he was supposed to. Basically, if you want referrals.. on which ever sites, i dont care, youll need to send me an email= to email=whatisntseen@gmail.comwhatisntseen@gmail.com to email=whatisntseen@gmail.comwhatisntseen@gmail.com/email with your name, the site(s). I already spoke to one of my friends who has only done ipods.fp He is getting paid this week and will be starting as soon as i give him the sites. You guys can do as you like, but you wont be able to get your money back considering i have none to my name. Best I can do is give you 1 or 2 refs, but not through myself.
Supacold
25-04-2006 20:48:01
[quote253f20f2e3="vankeldon"]Sorry for the double post but i just got this email from whatisntseen...
i dont know if it was posted on the forum or not like i asked it to be,[b253f20f2e3] but i cant return the money, i am lining people up to have everyones sites done [/b253f20f2e3](wheter they were the original site or not). the story is that i never intended on scamming. i got back tracked and the friends that i thought were going to do sites and said they were didnt come through for me.. in turn, time rolled by and people got mad. i used the paypal to pay people back for other sites. The legit trades that were real were put on hold because you guys reported them all. and yes, there were legitly done networks, not just sites, but networks. I cant remember which off the top of my head though. Point is, it wasnt intentional and you can post this on the board since I havve no clue if zulu did it like he was supposed to. Basically, if you want referrals.. on which ever sites, i dont care, youll need to send me an email= to email=whatisntseen@gmail.comwhatisntseen@gmail.com to email=whatisntseen@gmail.comwhatisntseen@gmail.com/email with your name, the site(s). I already spoke to one of my friends who has only done ipods.fp He is getting paid this week and will be starting as soon as i give him the sites. You guys can do as you like, [b253f20f2e3]but you wont be able to get your money back considering i have none to my name[/b253f20f2e3]. Best I can do is give you 1 or 2 refs, but not through myself.[/quote253f20f2e3]
That is a load of crap! the paypal is TO HIS NAME wtf does he take us for?? He cant return the money because he SPENT IT. Dont believe any of his lies. He is scared and is trying to Lie his way out.
As proof his Ebay history.. Shopping spree with OUR money.
http//feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=demoniendin
[b253f20f2e3] the story is that i never intended on scamming. i got back tracked and the friends that i thought were going to do sites and said they were didnt come through for me[/b253f20f2e3]
I PM'd several times about our trade and you kept lying about the crediting and after i gave you a ultimatum for our trade he stopped responding. But he did read the PMs. it is obvious that he is trying to
cover his scamming with more lies.
Edite If he can not refund our money we should have his parents to take responsibility for refunding the money their son stole.
45udogg
25-04-2006 22:56:10
[quote2c9941067d="vankeldon quoting Andrew"]
i got back tracked and the friends that i thought were going to do sites and said they were didnt come through for me..
[/quote2c9941067d]
I would have gotten back-tracked, too, if I suddenly had $500+ in my paypal account and had lots of shit I wanted to buy on eBay...
[quote2c9941067d="vankeldon quoting Andrew"]
in turn, time rolled by and people got mad. i used the paypal to pay people back for other sites. [/quote2c9941067d]
can anyone vouch for his "paying people back"? What a liar...
[quote2c9941067d="vankeldon quoting Andrew"]
the story is that i never [b2c9941067d]intended[/b2c9941067d] on scamming. i got back tracked and the friends that i thought were going to do sites and said they were didnt come through for me ... Best I can do is give you 1 or 2 refs, but not through myself.[/quote2c9941067d]
Does that mean that only 1 or 2 of us get refs? He acts like he was planning on having his friends do our offers from day one, when actually (according to his [u2c9941067d]
eBay history[=http//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62054&item=8272262126]eBay history[/u2c9941067d]) he was really "intending" on buying a slim PS2 and having all his buddies over for a good time. I'm gonna write Mrs. Seraphin and tell her how her son Andrew REALLY got that PS2.
On second thought, what I'm gonna do is smash Andrew's face into a windshield, and then take his mother Dorothy Seraphin out for a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!
JennyWren
25-04-2006 23:09:59
I call BS. If he really wanted to fix things he would have NOT BLOCKED ME ON AIM and RESPONDED TO MY EMAILS and RESPONDED TO MY PMs. I gave him lots of time to respond, I always give people the benefit of the doubt and I left it for a long time before acting. He never even posted in this thread before he was banned.
Total BS. He is grasping at straws.
45udogg
25-04-2006 23:20:50
Sorry for the double post, but for those of you who are too lazy to check whatisntseen's
eBay shopping history[=http//feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=demoniendin&items=-1&item=-1&de=off]eBay shopping history yourself, I have compliled a list for you (This is assuming he used the cheapest shipping available, although considering it wasn't HIS money he may have splurged a bit to upgrade to overnight so he could get his free stuff quicker. Also, he may have bought other things that just haven't gotten eBay feedback yet)
$84.00 slim PS2 purchased 4/3/06
$13.84 shipping
$1.99 PS2 clear gray controller purchased 4/3/06
$8.00 shipping
$9.99 PS2 memory card 4/4/06
$5.95 shipping
$0.99 PS2 hdtv cable purchased 4/4/06
$5.85 shipping
$36.50 DVD burner purchased 4/9/06
$5 shipping
He bought at least $172.11 worth of ebay stuff within a week of stealing our money. (I paid him $25 on 4/2)
Also, he had bought a $234.98 subwoofer and a $169.90 universal remote just a couple weeks before. Nice paper trail, Andrew.
[be68ffc80db]GRAND TOTAL for last month of eBay purchases $576.99[/be68ffc80db]
Tell me this isn't a guy that KNEW he was going to be scamming everyone. And he comes on here acting like he's gonna try to make everything right? I don't think so.
Supacold
25-04-2006 23:22:13
i would never trust this bastard with any of my referral links.
either way we are going to get our MONEY back, doesn't matter if he has to return/sell all the crap he bough or out of his parents wallet.
Supacold
25-04-2006 23:25:36
the more i look at the amount he scam, the more furious i get AND his outragious shopping spree. I would LOVE to see this guy behide bars even if it was for a few months.
45udogg
26-04-2006 00:34:18
[quote828984c7c0="Supacold"][b828984c7c0]i would never trust this bastard with any of my referral links.[/b828984c7c0]
either way we are going to get our MONEY back, doesn't matter if he has to return/sell all the crap he bough or out of his parents wallet.[/quote828984c7c0]
No kidding, this guy would be an almost guaranteed red, either that or else one of those permanent yellows...
besides, I gave up on whatisnt seen within a couple of days after paying him and I found someone else to be my last PSP ref anyway. So at this point all I'm willing to take from him is the $25. And an apology.
zulu342
26-04-2006 08:39:19
Nice found and tally 45udogg -- please keep a detailed copy of this shopping spree.
So Andrew, it seems like people are quite pissed and this get my friends to do referral thing ain't gonna work.
You need to come up with the money ... fast.
nytrate
26-04-2006 09:45:22
you guys pull his phone number yet?
it's not listed...but if you guys can't get it let me know and I'll see what I can do.
winkie
26-04-2006 10:15:14
add me to the list $20 for yourfreeflatscreens... took over a week to signup after I paid him, and then finally went yellow... this was over a month ago. Still no green.
vankeldon
27-04-2006 06:50:00
Has anyone received any form of rembersment from this guy yet or are well still going to file charges?
Supacold
27-04-2006 08:44:09
can someone pm me his name/address/phone#?/parents name
zulu342
27-04-2006 10:45:32
Address on the way ... I believe others have the other info you need.
Supacold
28-04-2006 09:10:52
im not sure what the progress is on this guy but i think we should just inform the police in that area so we can have this delt with asap so this guy can take his punishment already instead of letting him play on his the ps2 he bought with our money.
zulu342
28-04-2006 14:23:50
If you can take the police right, please go ahead. If you need information that I've tallied, just send me a PM.
Luckily for Andrew, I have some finals coming up as this is my last semester of grad school. But rest assure, when summer hits and I'm bored, his ass is going to court.
Supacold
28-04-2006 15:11:21
ok, i'll try.
Can everyone that has been scammed send me their claim from paypal?
Forward it to.
email==Supacold@gmail.comSupacold@gmail.com=Supacold@gmail.comSupacold@gmail.com/email
i'll use those as proof and this thread
winkie
28-04-2006 22:35:15
are you just wanting a screenshot of the claim?
Supacold
29-04-2006 08:12:53
[quote6bc32ce97b="winkie"]are you just wanting a screenshot of the claim?[/quote6bc32ce97b]
can you forward it to be from your email?
zulu342
29-04-2006 21:06:56
whatisntseen contacted me again asking me to give him a chance. I will give him ONE opportunity to redeem himself to me and to all of you. I'll keep you updated on how this goes.
amishjs
01-05-2006 11:04:26
Just an update.... I'm listed on the master list as being scammed out of $25, but it was actually $30.
45udogg
01-05-2006 11:05:13
I have compiled a complete eBay shopping list for Andrew Seraphin (a.k.a. whatisntseen) and I found out that in March and April alone he spent at least [baf7883ba82]$881.79[/baf7883ba82] on eBay. (That's assuming he always chose the cheapest form of shipping that the seller offered)
I wonder how much of that was with money he stole from us.
If anyone would like a copy of Andrew's complete shopping history, pm me your email address and I will send it over.
[quoteaf7883ba82="Supacold"]
Can everyone that has been scammed send me their [baf7883ba82]claim[/baf7883ba82] from paypal?
Forward it to.
Supacoldgmail.com
i'll use those as proof and this thread[/quoteaf7883ba82]
Did you mean paypal "receipt"? or a screenshot of the claim from paypal?
Synergist
02-05-2006 16:41:53
Add me to the list. He scammed me out of $30. Which one of you guys do I forward the Paypal receipt to as proof now?
45udogg
02-05-2006 21:57:11
[quotef563242dde="Synergist"]Add me to the list. He scammed me out of $30. Which one of you guys do I forward the Paypal receipt to as proof now?[/quotef563242dde]
send it to Supacold
[quotef563242dde="Supacold"]Can everyone that has been scammed send me their claim from paypal?
Forward it to.
email==Supacold@gmail.comSupacold@gmail.com=Supacold@gmail.comSupacold@gmail.com/email
i'll use those as proof and this thread[/quotef563242dde]
45udogg
03-05-2006 21:37:35
[quote4fcec3ae16="zulu342"]whatisntseen contacted me again asking me to give him a chance. I will give him ONE opportunity to redeem himself to me and to all of you. I'll keep you updated on how this goes.[/quote4fcec3ae16]
how did this go?
zulu342
03-05-2006 21:41:29
So far nothing ... not surprising. You guys are doing great work. Once I'm done with finals next week, I'm going to contact their DA's office and see how to proceed from that angle.
CougarKid
03-05-2006 21:49:22
I hope he gets what's coming to him. Looks like he thought it was going to be an easy get away.
zulu342
05-05-2006 10:47:22
Today is the day he said his "friend" will be doing the refs ... so far nothing.
If he doesn't deliver on his promise ... I will certainly deliver on mine.
zulu342
08-05-2006 12:50:07
Just an update .... he went green on me on a different site. However, I have no idea if that will go red like his first.
In other news, I got a call from Gillum Driskel & Associates who is willing to take this case. They are a collection agency in Sarasota, FL. Collection agencies are willing to take on any cases over $300 for a 35% fee AFTER collections (no fee if they don't collect).
I frankly don't care about the money as much as the lesson to Andrew and other potential scammers who might be lurking. With all the work people put in here, we should start a scammer crackdown division )
More info to come ...
Good work guys and gals )
KeithA
08-05-2006 12:54:26
[quotea47066032d="zulu342"]In other news, I got a call from Gillum Driskel & Associates who is willing to take this case. They are a collection agency in Sarasota, FL. Collection agencies are willing to take on any cases over $300 for a 35% fee AFTER collections (no fee if they don't collect).[/quotea47066032d]
They take personal cases? That's surprising...I would have expected them to limit themselves to businesses.
wishwell85
08-05-2006 15:12:27
Ill be apart of your scamming crackdown division! How are you contacting him?
mikeman565
08-05-2006 16:34:01
can we just bash him and his stupid looking haircut into the ground )
CougarKid
08-05-2006 19:54:23
[quote67b0b14ced="mikeman565"]can we just bash him and his stupid looking haircut into the ground )[/quote67b0b14ced]
That would get us nowere.
eric89074
08-05-2006 20:10:38
[quotef619b43b10="zulu342"]Just an update .... he went green on me on a different site. However, I have no idea if that will go red like his first.
In other news, I got a call from Gillum Driskel & Associates who is willing to take this case. They are a collection agency in Sarasota, FL. Collection agencies are willing to take on any cases over $300 for a 35% fee AFTER collections (no fee if they don't collect).
[/quotef619b43b10]I would do that because his credit rating will take a huge hit and if you can prove he owes money they won't erase the debt til' he pays.
samtheman1
10-05-2006 07:25:49
One of my first trades on here and I get scammed, just fucking fantastic.
zulu342
10-05-2006 10:16:49
How much samtheman1?
He ain't getting away with this one. I feel bad that he's going to be made the scapegoat but something's gotta be done about people who THINK they can get away with tricking people.
missdee212
10-05-2006 15:18:16
sent my claim.
winkie
11-05-2006 11:37:58
has paperwork already been filed with the collection agency? I am in total support of this action!!! He needs to learn a lesson. Plus, as mentioned before, this will destroy his credit.
winkie
13-05-2006 00:14:24
after many email=s, I suddenly have a green from email=demonic_ending@gmail.comdemonic_ending@gmail.coms, I suddenly have a green from email=demonic_ending@gmail.comdemonic_ending@gmail.com/email
hmmm... I wonder if it will stay green
vankeldon
13-05-2006 10:05:36
I just sent andrew a last chance email. I'm going to drive over to his house for a personal visit. I'll be in the Ft. Lauderdale for a few weeks on vacation next month. If he has not compensated me by then, we will have problems. I want him to be an example for any future scammers. I will post pictures of the outcome of mine and andrews meeting, so there will be no doubt that it was him. Just a heads up.
KeithA
13-05-2006 10:20:50
[quoteb990196d19="vankeldon"]I just sent andrew a last chance email. I'm going to drive over to his house for a personal visit. I'll be in the Ft. Lauderdale for a few weeks on vacation next month. If he has not compensated me by then, we will have problems. I want him to be an example for any future scammers. I will post pictures of the outcome of mine and andrews meeting, so there will be no doubt that it was him. Just a heads up.[/quoteb990196d19]
This would make you no better than him.
CougarKid
13-05-2006 11:27:23
[quote8b2444f0db="vankeldon"]I just sent andrew a last chance email. I'm going to drive over to his house for a personal visit. I'll be in the Ft. Lauderdale for a few weeks on vacation next month. If he has not compensated me by then, we will have problems. I want him to be an example for any future scammers. I will post pictures of the outcome of mine and andrews meeting, so there will be no doubt that it was him. Just a heads up.[/quote8b2444f0db]
Who cares if it isn't going to make him any better than him. A fight might be a good thing.
KeithA
13-05-2006 12:43:51
[quotea863910b7f="CougarKid"]Who cares if it isn't going to make him any better than him. A fight might be a good thing.[/quotea863910b7f]
The authorities.
There are acceptable channels for dealing with these types of situations. Several people are already pursuing these options.
theysayjump
13-05-2006 12:48:06
Because a fight would look so good on the record when the collection agency you guys have "hired" to investigate this go to his door right?
Use your heads people, not your fists.
vankeldon
14-05-2006 08:05:53
I can send a crackhead over to visit him for 20 bucks. That is using my head and someone else's fists.
zulu342
25-05-2006 14:16:15
Bringing this back to top ... it'll be interesting the next couple of weeks )
And FYI, when this thread first started and we started to make some progress, this new user on the board ThreatNET, IMed me and gave me reason to stop because ... "it'll be in vain" ... how I was just wasting my time ... the cops would never do anything. ThreatNet claims to be a "friend" of Andrew (a very good friend I might add to beg on his friend's behalf).
Anyway, I see that ThreatNet has a number of posts now and a rising TR rating. It might be just me but his actions lead me to believe he is Whatisntseen Jr.
So beware. I heard the PS3 is coming out and who'd want a crappy slim PS2 then?
ThreatNet
25-05-2006 19:27:14
Watch out I'm whatisntseen JR! Sorry for ever helping you get your greens back I see it wasn't appreciated so I guess now that you've got them it's okay to tear up my name. But for the others who may have gotten some greens I'm glad.. I was the little angel guiding over a naughty boy. You guys can think what you may, you always have chances of being scammed by whomever whether it be someone with a proxy or whatnot if you see my IP it's not a proxy and has been the same IP since I joined... Tomorrow there is a funeral for my uncle who past away, not an excuse for anything, but thanks for being a real prick zulu. Now I'm going to do some offers that have been put on hold from family coming down and living in my house and other bullshit.
zulu342
26-05-2006 09:55:41
I'm not satisfied until EVERYONE who got scammed by him is reimbursed or gets their green (that says gree).
Bribing the few vocal ones doesn't work. If you thought I can be bribed, you're wrong.
Why am I suspicious?
- You IM me on 4/23, brand spanking new user with no posts or TR
- In your AIM profile (and still in your profile), you have "<3 yasmin"
(Scroll down to 3rd pic http//www.teenspot.com/boards/showthread.html?t=233051 )
- Very very concerned friend but claims never to have met him, only know him through HALO
This is just very suspicious don't you agree? If you are not Andrew, you're probably a close personal friend of his. Hey, you might be the angel you proclaim yourself to be ... if so, good for you. I'm merely passing what I know to others.
And your last statement, my condolences if true. But in the scammer handbook which I have in front of me, page 52 line 17 says pull the death/sickness in the family card when needed to divert suspicion and gain sympathy and pity.
Have a good one!
ThreatNet
26-05-2006 10:45:41
Back from the funeral Me I'm not Andrew as I'm white.. and no freaky ass hair. Also if I know andrew isn't it possible to know Yasmin?
Edit Pics too large
If you think I'm pulling the death card again I say to you that you are a prick I don't need sympathy from anyone and no one's giving it to me Honestly I don't care what happens or what you think What's done is done and I was trying to help which probably caused more problems So there you go I guess your satisfied. Also more proof is in brag bag you see that I'm white ^^
KeithA
26-05-2006 10:56:25
How do you know Andrew? From Halo or elsewhere?
JennyWren
07-06-2006 06:58:45
Any updates on this kid?
zulu342
07-06-2006 18:50:34
Hmm ThreatNet got banned??? Why am I not surprised.
threatnet7
08-06-2006 21:16:28
Zulu's cool?
winkie
12-06-2006 11:53:42
just to let ya'll know. after I caught him on gmail chat, he (or one of his friends) completed an offer and stayed green through verification. I curreently am in the process of making my order...
CougarKid
12-06-2006 12:48:42
Still in scam mode for most of us.